support mitt romney or the likelihood that you'll say you're pro-choice or pro-life or whatever the sort of sensitive issue is and so the campaigns develop these individual level scores for every voter in the country and then every voter every three so the obama campaign will give you a score will give you series of scores and one will be a turnout score that's a percentage likelihood that you will vote there will be an obama supports or a percentage likelihood that you will vote for barack obama and then they'll be maybe a gun owner score if they're they want to sort of sort out the gun owners in a particular state and the same way that a loan officer at a financial institution won't sign off on the line of credit for you until they've seen a quantitative assessment of your likelihood of defaulting or paying off your bill on time or running up a certain thousand dollars in charges these are credit scores for politics or campaign wants to assess before they send you a knock on your door or call you your likelihood of a performance or an action or or holding a certain attitude and wh

or designate one commissioner or hearing officer or special meeting. >> can i make a suggestion. ? >> yes. >> if you change the next regular to earliest, it's practical. shall read show-cause hearing on the earliest practical of the meeting. >> does that preclude handling it a special way? >> no. >> i like the idea of trying to see if we can get them to us for either a hearing or determination of how we will proceed quickly. i think we may feel choked if we had to have the hearing at the next meeting that precludes these possibilities for adjudication. >> i think one concern with sort of leaving it open, you are asking the parties to appear. and if we didn't decide until the meeting that we were going to hear it or defer it. i think that would be somewhat inconvenient. >> that was my concern in thinking it's a two-step process. is that it comes before us and we decide either the full commission is going to hear it. or we are going to have a hearing officer who will report back to us at a specific time. but that would then give an opportunity to give notice to the respondent and the

this has very little or nothing to do with freedom or freedom of speech. this is the weakness of and the abuse of freedom and in many places it is a crime. it shouldn't take place. i do hope they will come and politicians will not offend those who they hold holy, but we also believe that this must also be resolved in a humane atmosphere. >> there are protesters all over the middle east now threatening the staff of american embassy threatening the kill them and pe head them. do you think they should stop? >> you see, i cannot determine what people or nations should do. but i do think that extremism gives birth to following in subsequent extremism. perhaps if the politicians take a better position in the west, vis-a-vis offensive words or pictures toward what is we hold -- what we hold holy, i think conditions will improve. but most nations do not pursue tensions and conflict. >> what happens your view, your opinion of the arab spring last year and what is your opinion of what is happening now in the countries where there were uprisings and we saw the end of

it's yes or no, they voted. persuasion, to see if they change their mind, have to rely on them being honest, their self-reported other choices. so, and the other reason a lot of the people who start doing this work in academia were using basically nonprofit dollars through the institutions and couldn't do partisan work which made it very difficult to do. persuasion in the campaign, but if you're doing non-candidate specific test you can spend university dollars out of your research budget on a. there's a big body of work on the science, and a lot of it is informed by the behavioral psychology. there's far less sort of i think new science of persuasion. one thing i've written about the issues how the obama campaign is trying to adopt these as primitive methods to measure the effect of their mail and the online ads and tv ads and just as propublica, more expensive. but if you would tried to break out of relying solely on focus groups that try to ask voters to imagine any sort of artificial setting that would chang

they don't sit down together either at breakfast or lunch or dinner and eat a meal with the children involved, so that it's gotten quite chaotic, and whatever is quick and available and tastes good. and the media, dr. korsch contends, just compound the problem. barbara korsch: television watching is the single thing that has been consistently associated with obesity. and there have even been some really interesting studies that if a child is just just watching television, where they tend to sit very passively, usually also snacking, that their metabolism actually goes down. it's a little bit like hibernation. in recent years, the health risks of obesity and the cultural obsession with slimness, have developed into a $33 billion industry. weight loss pills, fad diets, and dietary supplements promise miraculous results. joanne ikeda: there's nothing over-the-counter that you can buy that is going to melt the fat off your body. yet, day in and day out, you open women's magazines, you open newspapers, you go to the shopping mall, and they're selling products that claim to do this. i rece

or or not with the expressed permission of the voter class ok so if your view is to not vote and that your time is better spent and your money and your has everything taking your girlfriend or boyfriend out to dinner rather than going to the polls then what do you think is an effective way to try and enact change or try to have the kind of liberties or our treatment or life that you why do you think it's trying to change this is do you think it's protests in the streets that you suggested may happen do you think it's going to argentina be in an ex-pat what do you think. well i mean being down here and you know this is an even more flagrant example of. our governmental oppression in many many ways. so you know i would not have been kate so only would i would now be taken in the system down here. but becoming sort of having some kind of a common interest arrangement works for some people but you know obviously that's a bit fringe and that's not for everyone i would think that it might be worthwhile encouraging people to concentrate their efforts and their time on tomorrow's cities that

a partner or a mother or father or sister or brother- the key issue particularly with the developmental disabilities, the literacy issues that ed has pointed out, all those things can be made available with careful assessment in bringing in other historians- getting back, john, to the integrated services issue- housing is a big component of that service delivery system. how is the housing, let me backtrack, is the housing an important aspect for individuals who have a substance use disorder or a mental illness as it relates to their disability? well, you know, our service system relies on, at least in california, a large system of sober living programs. once a person is through treatment or is in the early stages of recovery independently, often they're seeking sober living. and the-the accessibility of sober living programs, both in the point of view in the physical accommodations that are necessary as well as the understanding of the importance of co-occurring and how to help somebody with a mental issue as well as an alcohol and drug issue, is really kind of lacking. so if the sober

try to have the kind of liberties or our treatment or life that you want do you think it's trying to change this system do you think it's protests in the streets that you suggested may happen do you think it's going to argentina be an ex-pat what do you think jafo. well i mean big down here and you know this is an even more flagrant example of. governmental oppression in many many ways. so you know i would not advocate so we would i would never take any of the system down here but becoming sort of having some kind of a permanent tourist arrangement works for some people but you know obviously that's a bit fringe and that's not for everyone i would think that it might be worthwhile encouraging people to concentrate their efforts and their time on democracies that that matter the democracy of information for example we see huge examples of this on the internet in particular with peer to peer lending which i learned of this in the daily reckoning before money lending that is there's also peer to peer rentals there's peer to peer cryptocurrency is coming out of there are a peer to peer e

exposure or get in the paper or press coverage like paul ryan like p.m.g. who is you can use like brad pitt like lifting weights as you think is like arnold schwarzenegger's and that is what the real you know this is like ok what i've done vacation. is. a lifting for time magazine what was were i draw the line and i were joking because it led to the thing is that it wasn't however i do want to point out that there are other options that don't often get covered however there is a third party candidate debate that r.t. is broadcasting tomorrow or tonight i believe and i just thought it was quite interesting to look at some of the third party candidates what they say about what they would do for the budget and looking at project vote smart political courage tests for all of these candidates for the justice party the green party the libertarian party the constitution party one thing i know they all have in common do you support reducing defense spending to balance the budget all yes i guess that's why they will always see these be their party candidates because

it's yes or no they voted. persuasion on polling before or after to see if they changed their mind, so you to rely on them being honest or consistent at least in the sort of the self-proreporting of their choices and -- and the over reason a lot of the people have been started doing this work in academia were using basically not profit dollars through their institutions and they couldn't do partisan work. it made it difficult to do persuasion in the complain. if you were doing noncandidate specific you can spend university dollars on research budget on. there's a big body of work on the gobt and a lot formed by the behavioral psychology. there's far less knew science on persuasion. one of the thing i've written about this year is how the obamacare are trying to adopt the measures the effect of the mail and the online ads and tv ads. it's more complicated and expensive. it's a way of trying to break out relying so solely on polls and focus groups that imagine in a artificial setting that would change their mind

so 1-a or 1-b or whatever they are. i want to make a statement. this draft reverts to much of what the task force found problematic in staff's public draft. in the public hearing on task force referrals and the omission of enforcement of supervisor records of orders. many of the changes reflected in the submitted draft a year ago june, have been ignored with no explanation. i assume that the task force was going to review this. but since it's not going to. what we are going to find is that a group of individuals who have no previous -- not only association with these regulations, but experience on the task force. the current group has never heard a complaint. so their ability to deal with this is going to be hampered. and it would have been a lot better if staff had been courteous and explained why they concluded many provisions that don't belong in this document. and which we will now have to talk about on a case-by-case basis. and i am surprised that with only 10 days notice, when almost no one has a chance to look at this very carefully. you ar

those, of course, can be set into motion by bows or by plectra or picks.rdophones have all sorts of different timbres depending on what you bring to the instrument. another category is idiophones. those are those instruments that sound like themselves like a bell. its entire structural material is its acoustic material. [rattling] [dinging] we don't hear the steel in a piano so much as we hear the string and the felt hammer itself. idiophones sound like themselves, and there's some other categories too. of course, the new category is electrophones. [synthesized birds chirping and water trickling with new age music] (shapiro) any wave form that you can make in the air, you can make in a wire an analogous wave form, and so you can make music; you can make sounds electronically. an early example of the electrophone was the theremin where the player moves his hand further and closer to an antenna and changes the pitch of the sound that way. and a second antenna over here changes the amplitude of the sound that way. [eerie electronic tones] [electric guitar whi

or not.sumers of polls or -- >> what is my certified seal of throw this out, this is not information. >> the first thing is see who did the poll. i personally only rely upon the major media polls including gallup and the major networks. for the most part, to the extent you are getting objective information, you can more or less rely on them. the most important thing after that is what is the way the question is worded? the question wording will absolutely effect what they say. >> here is a question. it seems they all have forced choices. why is it the case to have an industry standard. stop with forced choices. if you are going to ask people, do you believe or support or not support cap and trade or have you not heard of it or do you not have an opinion? as the background bedrock we are operating on, that would help a lot. >> there's no big -- there's a conference, right. it's a free country. polls can use different methods. there's a give and take between on one hand you see the industry try

president, is yes or no. imposing any ideas. >> translator: allow me, sir. >> i'm not imposing any ideas. >> translator: so you see, what you're doing is you're -- is you're seeking a response based on my thoughts. why do you even care what the origin of my thoughts are? the result of the events of the second world war led to the occupation of the territory. >> the reason i care is because part of your reputation in america, the damage to your reputation amongst americans, is because they believe that you questioned the validity of the holocaust. so i'm simply asking you to state very clearly and simply whether you believed over 6 million jews were killed by the nazis in the war or not. and the answer's either yes or no. it's not a difficult question. >> translator: i thank you for caring so much about me. and i do believe that it is commonplace for someone, for an interviewer, to pose a question and wait for the proper response to be completed. if you keep wanting to interrupt me, it's not an issue. it's you

because of its ideology or anything else it's because of labor. yeah and i don't really think that. robots still blame or that it's china to blame for that i mean you know it will be great of robots to all of the rugs and they don't have to work as long as they don't. expand the debt then you know they don't really have that much of a problem is not really a big problem also if you have a lot of older people in this world like in the eurozone they're always saying or you have too many people they are going to order the demographic problem but you know if they actually put money aside from them early that they contributed was a pension system and then you know reserve that for those same people to be paid out later that isn't a problem but then what they do though is spend it on some nonsense project all in move was you know bombing some. country for no reason or something like that and then of course you know the surprise surprise the money is gone later on so i think really and in some extent also you just mentioned is capitalism grokking for eur

yes, it is. >> or whether there is a file at all. >> or whether... >> do you have... yeah like a file that just correspondence that is not... >> as i stated before, with all due respect to each of you and i think that you can interject, i work as confidential confidential. we do work with the investigate ors closely and we have worked with them very closely and i just really need to leave it in that way. because there are a lot of other things surrounding this information. >> mr. gibner is that the correct interpretation of the law that we cannot even know disclose publicly the volume of any correspondence between ethics and the controller's office? >> no. i would say that the fact of correspondence and whether there was one letter or multiple letters, as part of that file, should remain confidential as well. but my understanding, and maybe miss herrick can correct me if i am wrong, as part of the investigation, miss herrick was able to gather whatever materials were available in order to ensure that the law was appropriately followed. >> miss herrick; is that correct

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it's a sworn officer or an elected officer. but if you look at all of the policy concerns, and the case law, it becomes clear that it makes no sense whatsoever to draw the line at the oath of office rather than at the election. it would be contrary to the voter's intent to enhance the ethical responsibilities of their public officials and hold them accountable to imply this two month free zone in between the election and taking the oath of office, where that elected official could do whatever he wanted with no consequences with his public position, until that moment when he walks up to the lectern and raises his hand. it also would lead to absurd results. an elected official could, for example, commit domestic violence on tuesday, and be safe from any official consequences. but if the oath of office is later that day, he couldn't do the same thing on wednesday. that's a completely arbitrary line. it makes no sense whatsoever. it's very different if you draw the line at the election. that makes perfect sense. once an official ha

six of them or something. groups and to sec has announced that they managed to get twenty million. and the difficult missions doing to an end user i.d.'s from i phone users. from that which we received from the laptop of a b i. of course a very thick line they had any leakage of information it also declined to prove the case this hacker group put one million records up on the internet. they really did it so that's their pills very. dangerous usage so bill imagine you with. so i just don't get it so so these are these million dollar they're going to there's a records there's a records about users in the records they're all saw get the location of the user maybe not the current location but at least allegation where you have been for a month or so it would mean really everybody knows where i am in the news we you i mean it's a little problem when mommy mommy people well when i decided to interview you i called my producer so we're going to. give me five minutes she picks up and for a minute she knows where you a

or to security in old age. all of those kinds of socioeconomic rights that have transformed and recentered our politicking. together these implied a new view of the social contract. the old view pervading the declaration of independents was that individuals had predissing or natural rights or god-given rights. individuals by unanimous consent formed to social exact and then set up government by majority vote to secure these rights and the people's safety and happiness. but fdr's new view which was between the people as he put it and their rulers. they agree to give the government power inics change for giving the people rights. individuals as such drop out of the contract. and with them individual rights under the new deal theory individuals get whatever rights they receive as members of the people or of a group that is part of the people. in short, all of these individuals right are actually group rights. and so this theory of a contract not among individuals but between the people as a kind of preexisting hol

it's a finding or mediation or something. but i don't know that taking this together that this body of law gives you the authority to order disclosure of records. or that you have the power to order anything that it's limited to record, and more broadly enforcement. let me conclude with a couple other things. >> you it turn it back on. >> the votes of three commissioners are required. what happens when you only have four commissioners present? does that mean that the matter dies? it doesn't address that and has a presumption built in there somewhere. i am not sure if that makes sense. and more importantly in terms of the administrative orders. nothing in here suggested that the commission could make a finding that a violation is willful. and that's to me the most important thing in 3764. if a commission finds that an act is willful, it shall be deemed so. >> i don't think we have gotten there. >> no? >> you are talking about willful violations that are -- you are talking about willful violations based on findings that are mad

to engage in actions controlling or directing or tending to control or direct the political activities or affiliations of employees additionally the law explicitly said that employers may not coerce employees to adopt a particular course of political action this was further reinforced by two u.s.c. four forty one b. which says about corporations or political funds it shall be unlawful to make a contribution or expenditure by utilizing money or anything of value secured by physical force job discrimination financial reprisals or the threat of force job discrimination or financial reprisal to influence voters the american notion of fairness so that workers could and should be judged on their. work not on their gender not on their politics but then of course we ended up with five right wing wackos on the us supreme court who in their citizens united decision decided that those with the most money should have the most power in america the most famous part of that decision suggests that corporations are people and the money isn't property it's first amendment protected speech less well know

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in virginia or in wisconsin or any of the battleground states. one turns to the other and says, i could live with him. what do you think? most couples decide not to cancel each other's vote. so that's a big test. >> all right. >> tom brokaw, thanks again for taking a spin on "the cycle." you look good at that table, man. hope to see you again soon. up next, an honest question. what do voters actually get out of these debates? we've seen a variety of formats already, but is there an even better way? we'll explore the possibilities as "the cycle" rolls on life from hofstra university for tuesday, october 16th. why should our wallets tell us what our favorite color is? every room deserves to look great. and every footstep should tell us we made the right decision. so when we can feel our way through the newest, softest, and most colorful options... ...across every possible price range... ...our budgets won't be picking the style. we will. more saving. more doing. that's the power of the home depot. right now get $37 basic installation on all special

it will do this or that. guess he did not expect the opposition obama would have to go up against. all of the republicans in the house say no to everything. they do not want no jobs. they did this on purpose -- it is starting to come back. they complain it does not come back fast enough. it is a fact the bush administration had eight years to tear it up. when they tore it up, we lost all the jobs. lost over 800,000 jobs every month. those were all fax. that is nothing he made up. if he would have some people that worked with him in the congress, maybe the country would be turned read a little bit better. host: we went to remind our viewers and listeners regarding coverage on c-span of the final debates between the candidates president barack obama and mitt romney live on c-span on monday at 7:00 p.m. that is when our coverage starts. at 9:00 is when the debate happens. at 10:30 we will have a viewer reaction. that will be on c-span, c-span radio, and c-span.org. you can take an active part in the debate via t

i don't agree with that all or would you do a bait that you're going to have a job or not and you need to have a job we have pending tax increases we have a terrible economic it was it is already a year off above your real not allowed a lot of jobs only when you're ready to learn just say let's let's just stipulate on the board let's just stipulate something here had he sent a letter out saying that if taxes go up on this corporation by more than twelve percent we've done the math and wolf we found that we'll have to reduce wages by one percent something just you know simple there or you know there's a piece of legislation before congress that's going to affect our company i don't think we'd be having this fight but instead he said if you vote for this guy this you know bad things will happen if you vote for this guy good things are going to happen without any evidence so you don't have a problem communicating information to them you have a problem vote for a vote for again so i actually take it farther now just employees the unemployed need to know that taxes are going up the deficit

or in your analysis or what exactly do you mean by your investigation? >> the point in case is... i don't know if you can speak up... because again, from our as it relates... so i will put it like this. just as our charter f speaks to you, everything in there, either relates to any interviews, any notes that we take, are documented properly within our files. >> is there anything else that is not that? >> no, there is not. >> and i think that is really all that i was asking. >> i have a different question, and it is for mr. gibner if you could wait just a moment we may have others for you. >> i am not sure who to ask and let me start with you and you may have another approach. the request that is at issue here was for any and all... was to two entities. and for any and all written communications between the ethics commission and the city controller's office regarding the complaint and the ethics commission file. and the closing memo authored by the ethics commission and we have been asking about the records kept by the controller's office and the answers that we are getting once th

i do not want to approve a project or support a project with bmr. it's just basically only held out as something until there is no way out for that to ever happen because it just hasn't happened. nobody offers these things up for free. >> excuse me, president fong. kate stacey from the city attorney's office. certainly i was thinking in terms of the commission's inclination to approve this project today. certainly the commission could also ask for a continuance and a report back from staff on certain kinds of issues. there are lots of ways the commission could tact at this time. >> mr. star? >> i was going to recommend because it is not a conditional use, so, the intent to approve, i don't know if that works in this situation. but if the commission seems to be interested in this idea of talking with the mayor's office of housing and see if we can get these units as bmr units, then i would recommend continuing it for i would say at least a month just because that's how things work, if that would work. and see if we can work something out. but i do kn

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people that are confused why people would want their money overseas or their property overseas or somewhere else well in the first place we have to recognize that the united states in some ways is the world's biggest tax haven if you're a foreigner a lot of foreigners put their money in the united states because it's still a relatively stable political jurisdiction and if you're french for instance you're much better off having your money in the u.s. than you are keeping it in france so it's it works both ways no matter what country you're room you want to have a portion of your assets out of the control of your local politicians who treat you as a moco may treat you as a beef co if they think it's to their advantage so. that's about confiscation of assets or about. it's about currency controls capital controls which we're going to see in this country it's going to become much harder to get your money out of the country in the future but you're always able to bring your money back into the country so give yourself. that extra advantage so that you have options either keep your money or brin

did you see biden as being rude or boorish or did he walk all over your man? >> he was rude, and interrupting paul ryan who was trying to have an intellectual conversation with the american people and with the vice-president about where their policies of division and how they are work how america is looking for a new leader to lead us out of the economic situation we are in. >> what happened then in the second debate? can mitt romney lose this? i mean can president obama come out more confident and swaggering with more of the joe bidenesque combative tone? >> i don't think president obama can come back like a joe biden. i think mitt romney needs to hold his own and continue to talk about his plan for turning the economy around and leading this nation again. there is a void of leadership in this nation and with the obama administration. i think that mitt romney needs to talk about his plan for the future. i think that obama has a lot of ground to make up but i don't believe he will do that by acting like joe biden and being school master rude combatative-type o

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and it would either affect their job status or their community status or their neighborhood status. talk to us a little bit about that. well, i think that stigma is a huge problem that keeps people from seeking services and so one of the things that i love so much about-what erica and i were talking about in the green room is how she as a person in recovery can reach out to other mothers to really bust through this stigma and say treatment works and i'm living proof of it and i am your peer. so reducing the sense of hierarchy. and just, i think that we constantly need to be aware that people are bigger than their problems. we need to see the humanity in the families that come before us and say, "i know that you have difficulties, but you also have resources and strengths, so come and get the help that you need." and fran, exactly that, from a prevention standpoint when people start seeing some of the warning signs, where can they seek help? they can seek help by going to our web site. i think it's the fastest way for them to find out throughout the country. because we're a federal w

not that's a brain difference or a picture of a scan or whatever it is, your brain changes as you age. i tried to show you that. and that change can be done through a lot of different ways, through education, through learning, through treatment, through talking to people or medicines all have big impacts on how the brain develops and changes over time. >> professor. my view is that this evidence has not been particularly useful either as aggravation or as mitigation. so i have been doing an empirical study over the past six years now to look at, introduction in criminal cases. it's equivocal at best. it sometimes ends up being aggravating, but so far it hasn't panned out. why hasn't it panned out? in part because science isn't quite there yet in that we're able to see some things at a group level, but being able to talk bay single individual to look at their brain and to understand the extent to which their brain differences contribute to their behavior is very challenging. there just isn't enough data for that yet. you can say things at a groupwide level, though. and so kent mentione

or misdemeanor. i will also say that sometimes you'll meet someone in county jail and they're ready to get treatment, they're ready to get help and because of the lack of resources, they have to sit in county jail and wait for a bed to open up or wait for there to be an opportunity for them to access treatment. and one of the things that this bill would do ideally would be to divert some of those resources that go into enforcement and put them into treatment outlets for people. so perhaps there wouldn't be that weight people have while they're incarcerated where they can lose hope or kind of slip back into their old ways of thinking. but from my experience, the longer someone is incarcerated, kind of the less incentive they have and the people who have been in and out of prison, it's almost like they've given up hope a long time ago, so if we can change that, if we can instill hope in people and if we can have access to treatment in a shorter time frame so there really can be treatment on demand, the

it's not black or white, or gay or straight or tall or short. this disease, is substance abuse could care less how you entered it, finance, romance, circumstances, glance, it doesn't care how you got here. the two groups of people i depreas every time i go to work are normal people and the rest of us. normal people don't giggle right there. normal people always go, oh, there is another group. welcome, how y'all doing? the rest of us go, that's us right there. now, if you're wondering which group you're in, you're normal. the rest of us have known for a lot of years not normal. normal means most. most people don't drink and drive because it's illegal. they wear a seat belt because it's safe. they don't slap their kid and tell them that's because they love them and that's the way we show them. ok, there might be three groups of people in this room. normal, the rest of us and not getting any better anytime soon. the threat here is lesson. the shame is removed. the stigma is replaced, we go from dope to hope here at some point. we go from drinking a