then rupert murdoch tweeted.love when he does that about the cartoon's artist saying gerald scarfe has never reflected the opinions of the sunday times. nevertheless we owe major apology for grotesque offensive cartoon. so if the u.s., fox and murdoch's empire is -- doesn't this prove that murdoch who held a fund-raiser for hillary clinton who described himself as liberal, has no core ideology beyond making a buck? >> he's procapitallist. >> i love old navy. i love banana republic. they're the same company. he's never represented our views. well, he's employed by you! >> exactly i can see you not reading someone's entire article so maybe the last paragraph is racy. this is a cartoon. dude, you can see it. it's right there! >> it's not like some ecards, user generated content. some editor has to decide yes let's put this ad in our paper. >> he apologized via tweet which means he means it. for real. >> john: it is really him too. you know i guess he could apologize by writing me an e-mail. god knows he's probably h

now rupert murdoch tweeted something out today about maybe we'll finally get something done on gun laws. we'll have that a little later on in the show. tell your talk show hosts over there, your hosts of your big programs over there to cool it and be responsible, because the charlie daniels of the world and the newt -- the ted nugents of the world, they all pay attention to that channel, and they all thrive on fear. where is the responsibility of broadcasters and talkers in this country when this kind of garbage comes up? president obama is doing what the country wants him to do. this is where the people are. the election results haven't changed. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question, will threats from the far right derail the president's sensible gun reforms? text a for yes. text b for now to 622639. you can always go to our blog at ed.msnbc.com. we'll bring results later on in the show. i'm joined tonight by bob shrum, contributor to interest daily beast. also david corn, msnbc analyst and d.c. bureau chief for mother jones. good evening. >> good

rupert murdoch one of the greatest examples. as you indicated, he began tweetings after the sandy hook school shootings and the new york editorial. we have fox news. repert m rupert murdoch has a history and knowledge of what happens with guns and assault weapons. in england in 1986, 16 school children were shot and killed. within two years, parliament had passed maybe the world's most stringent gun legislation. >> the ban. >> yes. that is still existent in london today. murdoch is intimately familiar with this. he could be a powerful voice with this. >> gun laws passed in australia after a tight legislation there, a gun culture like in america, has always been comfortable with guns. they passed some tough measures on some assault weapons. what a big difference it's made through the years. >> murdoch is an important figure for years. we talked about the president's need to lead on this. it's real. he needs to lead. at the same time, for legislation to get passed, conservative democrats in rural pro gun districts around the country. you have to look at people like