joing me now om waingt, congressman jason chaffetz of utah. he has been at the center of the benghazi hearings. i'm pleased to have him join me on this program this evening. welcome. >> thanks, charlie. >> rose: so tell me where you think the investigation is now. >> well, i think we're starting to make some progress although i would remind people that with four dead americans these terrorists are still on the run. there has been nobody brought to justice, nobody captured or killed and we're worried about the hundreds of embassies of and consulates, thousands of people overseas but we didear, as you pointed t, a l of new information, firsthand information not from politicos but from people who were actually there firsthand witnesses, three, i think, very credible witnesses with more than 70 years of public service who gave us their account of what happened on that fateful day on 9/11. >> rose: do you believe there was a coverup? >> i think there are a lot of things that the administration has not yet accounted for. i think part of his was cove

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jason chaffetz will be with me live. he will be at the hearing on the hill. >> hopefully we get closer to the truth. we have four dead americans. we have a u.s. citizen still in the hospital today. our hearts and prayers are with him. we have people with first-hand accounts. let's hear from the people who were actually there. these are real patriots. i don't think they wanted to come forward and do this. but bless their hearts they are going to shed some light and truth on this. bill: if american people saw version number two and not the final version what would they have learned about the initial assessment of who was responsible? >> there never was a video that caused this so-called protest. it wasn't true then, it isn't true now. the obama admin station has not come clean as to who made those charges. what was the consequence of that? there is a reason why the fbi wasn't able to get there for weeks. so that's part of what's going to come out at this hearing today. bill: gregg hicks will be a critical witness. he was o

bill: jason chaffetz, thank you for your time.tha: guantanamo bay is home to some of the world most notorious terrorists. president obama vowed to close it four years ago, but he got pushback. martha: a police officer trying to pull over a driver for not wearing his seat belt is lucky to have had his on. he lost control and drove up the pole. it happenedn on elvis presley boulevard in memphis. he was fine. he was issued a citation, the police officer was, for failure to maintain proper control of your vehicle. bill: i got this ticket. what do you do? elvis presley boulevard? >> police in sacramento trying to connect the dots. suspect in the fatal stabbing of an 8-year-old girl inside her home and another kidnapping in the same area. could there be aling? >> reporter: there could be. both attacks happened in northern california and both involved little girls. 42-year-old jason wynan was arrested after break into an apartment and trying to kidnap a 15-month-old toddler. the mother fought him off. while investigators say this kidnapp

what about the 25,000 pages that congressman jason chaffetz told us with?y exist and who has seen them? >> i'm not sure of the exact number, there there are certainly a lot of documents that we haven't yet seen and a lot of documents that i think the obama administration should turn over. i would include in those the intelligence -- some of the intelligence reports about benghazi in the months leading up to the attacks on september 11th there of last year. i would suggest that we see some of the intelligence that came in immediatelafter those attacks. even if it needs to be heavily redacted. i would suggest that we could see redacted copies of some of the transcripts of survivors, interviews of survivors that might be able to shed some more light on what was happening in benghazi at the time and what happened in the aftermath. there are so many things we additional information about what happened and what was told to the american people afterwards, think think it would be good to see it. >> do the members of congress have access to the list of people who we

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release those. >> greta: and congressman jason chaffetz joins us.r. >> thanks, greta. >> greta: benghazi a coverup or sloppy government and how do you tell the difference. >> just over 8 months away and i think it is clear they are covering up a lot of inadequacies. still have major questions that haven't been answered. terrorists that have not been captured or killed. we have four dead american is. more questions than ever and an administration that will not live up to the president's promise of openness and transparency. are ha is not happening and leads me to the conclusion this is, indeed, a coverup. >> greta: why would they want to cover up this? embarrassed or a more sinister reason? >> that is why congress is looking at it. in the united states of america we are open and transparent and is self-critical to learn from the mistakes and make sure it never happens again. i hope the moity expectations is not more sinister but it is often the lack of can dorland beginning that leads to the problems down the road. >> greta: how many americans on the

and congressman jason chaffetz. did the justice department overreach when is seized phone records of scores of associated press reporters? we'll get the ap's side from their top executive, gary pruitt. plus analysis from dan balz of the "washington post," lois romano of politico, david sanger of the "new york times," and our own john dickerson. >> commissioner miller, why didn't you tell the truth when you were asked directly by cngs? >> schieffer: it's the question of the week and we'll try to get answers on "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs from cbs news in washington, "face the nation" with bob schieffer. >> schieffer: and good morning again. dan pfeiffer is a senior adviser to president obama. we welcome you, sir, to the broadcast. so the white house is involved in all of these controversies all of a sudden. but yesterday, the white house leaks the story to the "new york times" that says the white house chief of staff, dennis mcdonough, has told his staff not to spend any more than 10% of their time

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republican jason chaffetz. >> why was fest not called into action. >> the reason i was given was that this was not the time for the fest, it might be too unsafe for the fest. >> reporter: after spending four hours securing the tripoli embassy, which was also under threat of attack, hicks tried to fly a four-man special forces team headed by a lieutenant colonel to benghazi to help but he says the defense department stopped them from boarding the plane. >> lieutenant colonel gibson was furious. i had told him to go bring our people home. that's what he wanted to do. >> reporter: both democrats and republicans agree they now want to hear from the authors of the independent report on benghazi, a review that today all three witnesses said is incomplete. scott? >> pelley: sharyl, thanks very much. we wondered whether military options were feasible that night so david martin is joining us at the pentagon. david? >> scott, pentagon officials insist the tyrannies of time and distance plus uncertainty about what was happening on the ground prevented them from coming to the rescue. 1:11 after t

jason chaffetz asked the question that was most important today. he said, did you, when you asked the white house, talk about 501- cs. and he was like, i don't know, well, my memory doesn't serve me. i don't know. get the guys from ginko baloba. we can get you some too, bob. 132 times. members of congress called shulman to alert him of the problem and he never brought it up in 118 meetings. >> dana: let me pick up on that. you did congressional affairs. if you went up to capitol hill, democrat or republican, i got this issue and got constituents, if you heard it more than twice, 132 times would you not raise alarm bells, excuse me, i think i have a problem here? >> bob: i never met the irs commissioner. >> dana: that was only later? >> bob: but the problem here is the politics of this just don't add up in people's minds. how much is spread around the country, i'm not seen polls of spreading but it will. >> dana: i was in memphis go it was one thing they really wanted to talk about. it was the totality of all all the scandals. one of the things they

jason chaffetz live from the hill from utah. martha: this all started three years ago back in 2010 when the irs began inappropriately screening conservative groups who had applied for tax exempt status through the irs. 500 groups fell into that net and they were subjected to what is said to be unfair and overly burden tomorrow scrutiny and questions like what books were they reading and what were they praying for. hard to imagine the legitimate reasons for those questions. some of these groups with tea party or patriot in their name waited more than three years to get any answer on their tax exempt application, and while they waited, two election cycles came and went. bill: this scandal having an effect on how people are viewing their government. 68% feel the government is out of control and threatening basic civil liberties. it is 9:10 in the morning. we expect the hearing to start at 9:30. we'll take you there when it starts. martha: all of this raises so many questions as we get started this morning. we want to tell you about

we'll put that question to jason chaffetz who joins us coming up. former secretary of defense donald rumsfeld on benghazi. here he is in sean hannity last night. >> i can't imagine how a person could stand up there when everyone knew it was a terrorist attack. it was the anniversary of 9/11. the people were not demonstrators. they were well armed. and the idea that it was somehow related to a youtube video and that narrative kept being promoted, i suppose it's because it fit their hopes. and what they wanted to be the case. martha: big question today. what's the impact of these controversies. you have benghazi and the irs situation and the ap phone records that were dug into by the department of justice. send us a treats at martha maccallum and @bill hemmer. >> you can imagine now what the house speaker has on his plate. we'll so downboehner. when he comes out we'll bring -- we'll see john boehner. he was pretty strong using language he usually does not use in public. we'll see how the speaker's mood is today regarding all this. martha: we heard out

actually happen to like elijah cummings and i am pleased with what he said to chairman issa and jason chaffetz. he asked for five seconds during his time, and he said, you know what, i agree with you, i agree with you, we need to hear from everybody. >> i have to say, i don't know that i've ever seen certainly a ranking member of a committee as important as the house oversight committee certainly be as declarative and as outspoken as he was in opposition to a proceeding and then based on obviously a reaction to what he heard from those three witnesses today make a judgment on principle, and intellectual integrity of the kind he's just named, saying the pickering and mullen should be before the committee. congressman -- >> kudos to him. >> absolutely. and to you. congressman trey gowdy, thank you for being here. >> thank you, lou. appreciate it. >>> dow 15,000. new record highs for the dow, the s&p 500. it is a party on wall street. ubs chief economist morey harris to talk about the rally and the future. with the spark cash card from capital one... boris earns unlimited rewards for his small bu

. >> we continue with congressman darrell issa and jason chaffetz is with us. did we have realtime information? because it appeared we had a c-130 ready to go. everybody knew what was going on and we had drone video coming in. >> we had realtime video, we were looking at the attacks within realtime within an hour of the beginning. the idea they didn't have an assessment of the number and the capability of the attackers was ridiculous. more importantly, if you have people shot at, killed, the idea you don't come as you are and bring what you have is reprehensible to americans. sure, like to have weeks or months to plan to do things, but in real world you protect american lives as best you can n this case we ordered american soldiers not to do the best they could. >> was hillary being honest before the committee? >> well, certainly she wanted to change the subject, and she want the to change the subject as though we are fixing what was broken. but again, if you deny what was broken, then the fix won't matter. pretending you are safe with this normalization policy

jason chaffetz is speaking out this morning, saying there may be more witnesses, however they are not prepared to testify yet. >> they are scared to death of what the state department is doing to them -- look. we are the other branch of government. they are supposed to be able to come to congress and share this type of information. that has not happened. >> his colleague, representative steven lynch said that the accountability review board interviewed more than 100 witnesses on the ground and provided a thorough review of the state department's handlings. >> they made a determination that the -- the critical element here was that the host country forces that were committed to protecting the consulate there in benghazi, walked off the job. >> reporter: as you remember, fox confirms the state department's inspector general is reviewing the arb and whether it was as thorough as it needed to be. >> thanks elizabeth. >> from our wednesday's hearings and any possible fallout, we are joined by representatives. you heard the congressman say that people are scared to death. what do you to com

i think darrell issa, jason chaffetz, trey gowdy, the members of the committee, are doing a good job.t think at this point in time it's necessary. now we may get to a point where it is. but at this point i think our committees door a very good job, i'll be supportive of them. >> greta: when we first asked of these emails, we were told a couple things, one is it's the deliberative process in the executive branch. another thing was that these documents were classified for national security. in reading those documents, those emails, do you see any reason why those who are appropriately classified documents for national security? >> no, none whatsoever. a lot of the other documents that we've asked for are not classified documents. they have no reason to hold them back. we're going to continue to stay on this until we get to the truth. we have four americans who lost their lives. there were mistakes made. we need to learn from those mistakes so that we make sure that it doesn't happen again. >> greta: you know, we on the media side, we look at these documents and always think that things

jason chaffetz and darrell issa pushing this thing. we want the survivors to come forward and we will protect their identity. we want to know what happened. >> did the arb talk to these people do you know? >> i don't know. all we are finding out is that the story told by the state department, susan rice, the president himself, was so completely wrong and false. there's a reason. why did susan rice and the president push this narrative that it was a spontaneous event caused by a hate full video? because if the truth had come out seven weeks before the election this was an al-qaeda preplanned attack it would undercut the narrative bin laden is dead and we are safer. it's no accident that the story told by the washington folks, including the president, was beneficial to the president and disconnected from the reality because we can't talk to anybody who knew it. now you have a guy coming forward called greg hicks. >> you are the first one who spoke to greg hicks. >> yes. >> you spoke to him in march. why hadn't he come forward before marc

men who were on has been for today's testimony from the house oversight committee, congressman jason chaffetz and mr. gowdy. >> this was at times spellbinding, these guys were incredible, believable. congressman chaffetz, let me start with you. there are three components here. we know they were denied the additional security they requested. that's number one. number two, we learned from the people there that youtube was nonevent issue here. there was any protest, no spontaneous protest, and that was the spin we got after. then when he heard, you know, about susan rice's testimony, i was stunned, my jaw dropped, i was embarrassed when she blamed the youtube video. what do you make of what happened today? >> we had three people who did a very difficult thing, did a very honorable and patriotic things, they stepped up. these aren't appointees. they have a combined 75 years of foreign service, marine service, all kinds of service and they stepped up and told the truth. that's what made the white house so nervous. when he said their jaw dropped, there are a lot of ramifications for telling these l

, tune in to fox news sunday tomorrow when chris wallace sits down with the utah congressman, jason chaffetz, one of those questioning the whistle blowers. >>> new developments in the middle east. israel launching an air strike against syria. the target, a shipment of missiles believed to be bound for the lebanese militant group, hezbollah. a key ally of the assad regime. it is israel's second attack against syria this year. conner powell live from our jerusalem bureau with more. conner? >> arthel, in recent weeks and months, israel has beefed up its military presence along its syrian border and its intelligence gathering capabilities there in large part to keep an eye on transfers of weapons like this reported transfer this past week. according to israeli officials, the air strike took place late thursday night, early friday morning. israeli officials say their jets hit a shipment of long-range ground to ground missiles. that if hezbollah were to get their hands on, could inflict significant damage. the target appears to have been a stock pile of conventional, not chemical, weapons. though

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but listen to what representative jason chaffetz says. >> it sounds like what you've described, it soundsthere's been a cover-up, but what were they trying to cover up? >> well, again, this is why we're fighting for the truth. >> explain that to me. >> well, it almost becomes like a dancing on the head of a pin, or something we learned about in philosophy class. how can you cover up nothing? you know? so what everybody's forgetting is that leon panetta testified to the events that gregory hicks is going to testify now to in february. he explained that tragic as it was, and nobody is minimizing how tragic these events were. the u.s. military felt like it didn't have time to get forces from spain and france, spain and italy, into benghazi in time. now, the republicans would make it seem as if the calvary never arrived. actually, there were people there to extract our folks sm s shortly before the mortar attack and that caused more problems, you know, on the ground. it's not as if nobody ever came, but this notion that has taken root on the right that there was somehow an order to stand down

just take a listen to republican congressman jason chaffetz. >> secretary clinton.on. >> she's made it sound, congressman, like she really had very little to do with it. it sounds like she was doing her best to get around that, right? >> what boggles my mind, 4 1/2 months after the fact secretary clinton had the gall to come here and perpetuate things we know as common knowledge are simply not true. >> julian, you used to be the director of the oversight committee. how political is this hearing? because first they said this was the president's greatest failing, but now they seem to have their eyes on 2016 and the potential candidacy of one hillary clinton. >> well, it's very, very transparent, and unfortunately, this committee did not used to be as political a committee as it is today. it's very clear the republicans believe hillary clinton is is unstoppable. they're seeking to scandalize her. if past is prologue, this committee has been ineffective when it came to the fast and furious investigation, solyndra investigation. they didn't have the goods. they don't hav

>> professor peterson, when jason chaffetz was asked that question on fox news, specifically, what is the cover-up? his answer was, "that's why we're having another hearing." >> that's chronological, though. >> that's why we're having a press conference. that's why jay carney is answering questions. >> from a national security perspective, let's go back to one of the things that we know. that is at the time, we did not want our enemies to know we had a cia installation there. thanks to congressman chaffetz, that later was out. >> of course. absolutely. >> there were other things we did not in the immediate aftermath want our enemies to know that we knew. let's just say a decision was made to take out some of these references because of that. at the worst, maybe somebody said, and you know what, politically, maybe that's not something we need out there right now given that we don't want our enemies to know and we need to get a better grasp on what's going on here. again, that has nothing to do with what actually happened. that has nothing to do -- all of tho that is in the aftermath. t

so -- i am fortunate to serve on oversight with folks like jimmy jordan and jason chaffetz, who are very strong on a host of issues but don't have courtroom experience. i think you are going to see a very well prepared side of the dias on the side of republicans. i have been preparing all weekend for it. and as you say, i only get 5 minutes. i have been approach bide colleagues who want to yield their time. you get five minutes and you go to the other side. so whatever point you are making, you have to start all over again. chairman issa has certain tools at his disposal, which he doesn't use very often. this is such an important hearing that i expect and hope that chairman ical use every arrow in his quiver to make sure that the audience doesn't have this continual interruption of five minutes here and then five minutes changing the topic. and i know firsthand because there has been coordination among the members on the republican side, how we can present this case as seamlessly as possible, come next week. >> all right. you may have heard the sound bite. ed henry asking the president t

we talk first to republican representative jason chaffetz of utah. >> there's nothing wrong, if you wantnness and transparency, if you want to do what the president told the american people repeatedly he was going to do, that is reveal information as they gain it, then why don't they do that? they won't even release the unclassified information. th won't allow us toalk to the people we want to talk to. they have not been made available to the congress and so it's been a long, arduous process. they should have been done and dealt with a long time ago yet it continues on. >> rose: we continue a look at the investigation into benghazi with margaret brennan, the state department correspondent for cbs news. >> i believe that there is a

clinton counselor and chief of staff sheryl mills called him obsessed after he met congressman jason chaffetz who was investigating the attack. he was then later demoted to desk officer at headquarters in what he believes was retaliation for speaking up. yesterday clinton spokesman fi leap reines denied that statement in an account, quote, greg hicks didn't get much in during congressman jordan's -- i guess i'll call it rant given his decible level. he could have asked hick about his favorite color and jordan would have shouted out coverup in response. he also defended mills' phone call saying she wanted them to know that no matter how far away they were, the department was with them and most importantly the secretary was with them. the state department itself also denies hicks has been demoted for speaking out. they say he returned from tripoli and retaineds the same rank but is going through the normal process of awaiting assignment to another embassy. democrats on the committee charged republicans with trying to manufacture a political scandal. >> i find it truly disturbing and -- and very

>> i talked to jason chaffetz today. >> he's one of the critics. >> one of the leading critics on the committee. he said this is the first time we are hearing the specific pushback from the pentagon. he's also saying, why wasn't gregory hicks interviewed by the independent review board? now, the other -- >> that gets to the fourth stage of discussion after what happened. they always shift these things around. now, i'm not saying they're dead wrong on everything. i just noticed a tactic. every time somebody defends something, they go, what about this other thing? i'm sorry. >> let me stipulate. >> that's my point of view. >> gregory hicks has a superb record. he was the deputy chief of mission, but he is a diplomat, a foreign service officer. and the pentagon's pushback is he's not a military officer and to suggest a flyover of f-16s could have buzzed the mission, the outpost in benghazi, and scattered the attackers, is naive, number one. it's hypothetical. >> right. >> and that they couldn't get there in time in any case for the very reasons you just cited that they didn't have refuel

. >> steve: so let's talk to utah congressman jason chaffetz who joins us now from capitol hill.ing to you, sir. >> good morning. >> steve: what would you think about the release of 94 pages of e-mail regarding benghazi written three days after the attack? >> look, i will always applaud the release of documents. i just need everybody to understand the perspective. while these 100 are good and shed light on what happened, we have nearly 25,000 that they haven't released. so it begs the question, particularly the unclassified documents, if you are okay to release this short window of documents, which is really between the 14th and 15th of september, what about the ones before and what about all the ones after? let's go ahead and release those as well if you're going to fulfill the president's promise that as he gets new information, he'll release it. >> gretchen: here is an excerpt from the pages, from the talking points discussion in these e-mails. quote, the currently available information suggests that the demonstrations in benghazi were spontaneously inspired by the protests th

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