>> no, sir. >> had you gotten anuts regarding possible dna? >> possible had you gotten results in terms of ballistics and firearms and trajectory, stippling, whatever other evidence? >> no, sir. >> continuing coverage of the george zimmerman trial on msnbc. let's go back to the trial and take a listen. >> that was speaking to the victim on the phone at the time or right before the time this murder happened? >> no, sir. >> have you analyzed the phone records and conversations between the victim, trayvon martin, and the lady he was speaking to? >> no, sir. >> had you seen the 7-eleven video? >> no, sir, i had not. >> you also did, obviously, reports in this case, correct? >> yes, sir. >> some of the reports, you -- did you in some way write down some inconsistencies based on the statements the defendant had given you? >> prosecution continuing its questioning in the george zimmerman trial here on msnbc. you are watching "jansing & company." he was a picky eater. well now i'm her dietitian... ...and

>> yes, sir. >> now, sir -- >> if i may approach, your honor.o you recall, sir, that one of the first -- in fact the first person that actually came out before the officer was a person named manalo? >> yes, jonathan. >> >> we've got to take a break. we'll be right back. uh-oguess what day it is!is?? huh...anybody? julie! hey...guess what day it is?? ah come on, i know you can hear me. mike mike mike mike mike... what day is it mike? ha ha ha ha ha ha! leslie, guess what today is? it's hump day. whoot whoot! ronny, how happy are folks who save hundreds of dollars switching to geico? i'd say happier than a camel on wednesday. hump day!!! yay!! get happy. get geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. we know it's your videoconference of the day. hi! hi, buddy! that's why the free wifi and hot breakfast are something to smile about. book a great getaway now and feel the hamptonality >>> fascinating part of the trial,serino is being questioned by the prosecution about inconsistencies. he's specifically talking about exaggerations

>> no, sir. >> your agreement is you may get paid, you may not, is that right. >> that's correct. >> that's not your normal practice, right. >> actually, sir, depending on the case that comes through, you would know i've done some things for free. i've done some things for some people for $20 an hour and i've gotten paid up to $175 an hour. i really base it on the case that's presented to me. >> didn't you provide me with an invoice sheet or the way you bill clients? >> for the expert witness, sir? >> right. >> yes, sir. >> that's what you're doing here today. >> yes. >> it's $1,500 initially and then $125 an hour after that? >> yes. the way it breaks down basically is if i'm hired in as an expert, my general fee schedule is there's a $1,500 deposit. and my hourly rate is $125 an hour. that is for a case prep and review. then on the dates that i testify either by deposition or i testify in court, my hourly rate is $175 an hour and that includes travel time and wait time. >> and actually you've ne

>> yes, sir. >> that's the purpose of it, correct? >> yes. >> when you challenge him, you said you sound frustrated on the phone conversation. everyone is going to hear these things, you know? when was your purpose in that? >> on which phone conversation? on which phone conversation. >> i presume, having read the entirety of your interview, talking about how he sounded on the nonemergency call. >> okay. >> was that an attempt to sort of, again, undermine his confidence in himself, so you might get some movement in his story? >> not necessarily. i mean, it could have been. i'm not quite certain which one might have used. >> for the jury's consideration the way you present to yourself in the challenge interview rather than just me going over, repeating it in sort of their words. >> yes, sir. >> but you agree that your purpose was to challenge mr. zimmerman. >> could have been. >> and try to undermine his confidence in himself such that he might tell you more or change his story in some way that woul

>> yes, sir. >> okay. and finally, sir, in your interview of the defendant, you showed him several paragraphs including the photograph of the victim, et cetera, is that correct? >> yes, sir, i did. >> if i may approach the witness, your honor. >> you may. >> stays's exhibit 94, is this one of the photographs you showed the defendant? >> yes, sir, i believe so. >> if i may publish that to the jury. >> i'll object at this point. i don't -- here or at the bench? >> at the bench. >> okay. let's bring back in our panel and i want to go to nbc legal analyst lisa bloom. you know, con rafting the jean tell testimony which we just talked about and the testimony today, the one thing lisa, that does seem to be consistent is this story of pursuit. the story that rachel jeantel said that essentially george zimmerman was sewering tray voen and the testimony today where he tried to explain he was walking back to his car but the detective saying where was he hiding? and serino pressing him on were you not going after this

>> yes, sir. >> after a strong showing for the defense, then it was the prosecution's turn to question the witness. >> you're not stating here, are you, that everything george zimmerman said at the statement you saw, the re-enactment, is the complete gospel truth? >> that's correct, sir. >> want to get you back inside that courtroom again. it's dr. vincent demaio on the stand. >> a doctor that had treated him in the past or like a physician's assistant would know what's existing there before that day and not in terms it of what the shape of the body or the head is. >> may or may not. >> okay. >> i mean, you know, you don't generally remember the shape of one of your patient's heads, especially if you're seeing 20 or 30 patients a day. >> well, my next question regarding that, wouldn't you agree that would be the best person that would see george zimmerman alive right then and there when it's happening, the next day, would be able to describe what injuries he had or did not have. >> in theory, if t

>> yes, sir. >> and am i understanding that, sir? >> the overhangs are just in front of the front doors. >> you said he started, almost in the beginning of the 911 call, he came toward you and seemed to reach for something in his waistband. did you think that was a gun? >> i thought he was just trying to intimidate me. >> to make you think there was a gun? >> a weapon. >> of some kind? >> possibly. >> you said in the tape, something is wrong with him, he's checking me out. i don't know what his deal was. so it's almost from the very beginning, you felt -- are you saying on the 911 tape you felt threatened at that moment when you said that to the dispatch? >> no, not particularly. >> what did you mean? i don't know what his deal is, he's checking me out? >> the way he was coming back x and i was on the phone and i was certain i could see him saying something. his body language confrontational. >> a controversy from early on, george, where there was something in the media that, quote, hired expert voice analysts and they had to rescind

. >> yes, sir. >> okay. were you sharing with them your progress, what was done and still needed to be done? >> yes, sir. >> and can you outline the setting, where you were when you had this conversation with the two of them? >> we conducted a meeting in the conference room that we have in the police department on the second floor, and i -- and after that i went ahead and played the 911 recordings for him. >> okay. do you recall where that recording took place? >> it was at my desk. >> okay. that was as testified to by previous officers as sort of a cubby hole set up with two or three other desks within close proximity. >> yes, sir. >> and can you then tell the jury how that was set up, where you were sitting, where mr. martin was sitting, and where ms. green was sitting. >> i was seated in front of my desk facing my computer monitor. mr. martin was to my rear left, and next to him was his girlfriend or fiance brandy. kind of like in that posture. >> ok. so if i'm sitting at my screen right here, you were si

>> yes, sir. at the scene, did you speak to officers there? >> yes, sir, i did. >> did you also meet with witnesses? >> yes, sir, i did. >> when you first arrived, had the body of the victim trayvon martin been identified at that point? >> no, sir, he had not. >> okay. and at that time, you didn't know who he was or whether he even lived in that area, is that correct? >> no, sir, we didn't know. >> were attempts made to identify him at the scene, sir? >> yes, they were. >> and can you briefly tell us how that was done, sir? >> by facial recognition of officers that were there, by canvassing the area for potential people that may have known who he was. we ultimately were able to obtain a device called a life scan device. we checked his fingerprints to see if they were on file in our database. we had no results. >> so everything was negative in terms of being able to identify the person you now know as trayvon benjamin martin? >> yes, sir. all attempts were negative. >> later did you further check a

>> no, sir. >> your green light you may get paid, you may not, is that right? >> that's correct, sir. >> that is not your norm practice? >> the case that comes through, if you look at my background you know i have done some things for free. i have done some things for some people for $20 an hour and i've gotten paid up to $175 an hour. i really base it on the case that is presented to me. >> right. but didn't you provide me with an invoice sheet or the way that you bill clients? >> for the expert witness, sir? >> right. >> yes, sir. >> that's what you're doing here today, right? >> yes. >> and it's $1500 initially and $125 an hour after that? >> yes. the way it breaks down basically is if i'm hired in as an expert, my general fee schedule is there is a $1,500 deposit. and my hourly rate is $125 an hour. that is for a case prep and review. then on the dates that i testify, either by deposition or i testify in court, my hourly rate is $175 an hour and that includes travel time and wait time. >> and

>> yes, sir. as a matter of fact, we can credit you for more than just the tie, is that correct? did you help him with some clothing to get ready for his trial? >> yes, sir. i took george down and i believe i bought him three suits. >> let me interrupt you, i didn't tell you as well. we're very used to talking in familiar terms with our friends, george, mark, whatever. we need to use full surname, so the record is clear. i apologize to that, i should have said that earlier. when you mention george, please tell us his full name. >> yes, i took mr. zimmerman down to the clothing store. i purchased him suits, ties, shirts, for the courtroom. i have been in and out of courtrooms many times, not testifying, which can be a terrifying experience but i have been taught by my attorney clients when you come to the courtroom, you dress out of respect. >>ory. that was up with of the ways you supported him, helping him out with clothing? >> yes, sir. >> you also donated money to his legal defense fund? >> yes,

>> by far, sir. yes, it is. >> to have to talk about the death of a loved one to a parent. >> yes, sir, it was. >> is there anything more difficult that you have to deal with as an investigator and in a case involving the death of a person? >> other than initial notification, probably not. >> and i gather you tried to, as best you can, to be as sensitive as you can, realizing how sensitive this issue is or how traumatic an event it can be, correct? >> yes, sir. >> and that you attempt to do that as best you could? >> yes, sir, i did. >> i gather you informed trayvon martin's dad that you were going to have him listen to some recordings? >> yes, sir. >> did you tell him ahead of time that there would actually be a shot? in other words, that he would actually listen to the death of his son, in other words? did you tell him ahead of time? >> i don't recall specifically informing him of that, no. >> okay. but you played -- i think you said five or six 911 calls, is that correct? >> everyone that i had, y

>> no, sir.> was there any evidence that that young man was armed? >> no, sir. >> you were asked by mr. o'mara several times and i think he made reference your last interview being a challenge interview. i don't know if you agreed with him on that or just agreed to use the terminology. dew agree that was a challenging interview? >> i wouldn't quite class fight as that. but it couldn't be viewed as a challenging interview. based on his view of it. >> his being mr. o'mara's? you know what i'm referencing to? the last interview with the defendant on february 29. >> yes. >> mr. o'mara asked you whether there was inconsistencies or not. >> yes, sir. >> i want to play certain parts of you where i believe you questioned him about whether he said something inaccurate or said something different. i want to ask you about these, if i could. >> we got him on the line. >> you played that recording for the defendant and asked him about that. somebody may refer to that as a challenge. but you recall the questio

>> yes, sir. in stating that you have always believed that the first statement is the most accurate statement? >> the first statement is usually more accurate than when given weeks or months later. >> oh, okay. >> because you get that in depositions. >> i gotcha. now you mentioned your prior experience with the medical examiners. you were head of the medical examiner's office in the beautiful city, san antonio. >> that's correct, sir. >> in fact when you go to the alamo, right near there you can go down to the water, go down what? i don't know how far you go down but you go down somewhat. >> it's about two levels down. are you on the river walk. right. >> all right. all right. now you mentioned that when you worked there for what? 15, 20 years? >> 25 years and 10 months. >> didn't mean it cut it short. you mentioned as a medical examiner it was important for you, was it not, to, before you render an opinion to make sure you understood all the facts. correct? >> depends on the case. some cases you

and do you recognize this exhibit, sir? >> yes, sir. >> okay. what is that?at's an extract of what we do is after beat destroy -- are you talking about the first document? after we destroy the records after the period of three years, we create a very cursory amount of information on the record that was to be destroyed. basic information, name, address, date of applied, et cetera. and additionally, we also accepted out a letter for those individuals that are not considered further into the process. we send them a dated letter with my name at the bottom regarding their status and they're not going to be considered. >> in this case, what was the date that have letter? >> the date was july 8th, 2009. >>. >> now, lieutenant, i'd imagine you get a lot of people who apply. >> yes, sir. >> okay. so is there anything unusual or sinister about just people not getting the job as an officer? >> no, sir. >> okay. thank you. no other questions, your honor. >> cross? >>. >> i would move at this time state's exhibit 211 into evidence. >> it will be admitted, state's exhibit

>> yes, sir. >> okay. did what he say on the recreation video contradict any of the witness statements that you had gotten so far bip friday or i'm sorry, the 27th at 5:00 p.m.? >> nothing directly. >> anything at all that you can explain to the jury where you looked at it and said, this piece isn't fitting? >>ing >> nothing as far as the information that he'd given us, no. >> would you agree that any of the slight inconsistencies that did exist on that video you would sort of assign as just being the way interviews go? >> perhaps, yes. >> well, anything else besides that? >> nothing that comes to mind, no, as far as something that would have strig triggered something more than just me continuing to talk to him. >> okay. >> because at this point, you had fairly specific evidence that mr. zimmerman was acting in self-defense that night, correct? >> i had information that would have inspired that, yes, sir. >> well, you had his injuries for one. correct? >> correct. >> that certainly fit into your formula, d

>> yes, sir. >> am i understanding that right? >> the over hang was in front of the front doors. >> you said he started from almost the beginning of the 911 call you said he came toward you he seemed to reach for something in his wasbaste band. did y -- waist band? did you think that was a gun? >> i thought he was trying to intimidate me? >> to make you think there was a gun. >> a weapon of some kind. >> you said something is wrong with him. he's checking me out. i don't know what his deal was. are you saying on that 911 tape you felt threatened at that moment when you said that in the dispatch? >> no, knotted particularly. >> what did you mean? >> the way he was coming back and i was on the phone but i could see him saying something to me and his demeanor his body language was confrontational. >> there was a controversy where there was some in the media that hired expert voice analysts and they ended up having to recant and rescind their analysis where they said these quote expletives get away wi

>> yes, sir. >> okay. >> and finally, sir, in your interview of the defendant, you showed him several photographs, including the photograph of the phone, of victim, et cetera. is that correct? >> yes, sir, i did. >> states exhibit 94, is this one of the photographs you showed the defendant? >> if i may publish that to the jury, your honor? >> i object, your honor. will you see me here or at the bench? >> at the bench. >> while the lawyers take a side bar with the judge, jeffrey, one of the things that's interesting is we know that chris serino, the investigating detective, told the fbi that he felt pressured to file charges. he recommended manslaughter, which is of course a lesser offense than what zimmerman is facing right now, second degree murder. but the jury won't know that. the jury won't learn that probably, right? >> oh, absolutely. that's the kind of thing that would definitely keep from the jury. it's certainly an issue that is very much a public issue at this point since i think the consensus seems to be the government is having a very hard time proving the level of intent

>> yes, sir. >> okay. did that also include the playing of a 911 call for the martin family members? were you aware of that decision? and i want to focus you, at this point, simply, were you aware that that decision had been made, that the tape was going to be played for the martin family? >> my recommendation was that the 911 -- >> i want to be careful a little bit, that's why i focus the question. i don't want to spend a lot of time dealing with the decision to play the tape. i want to focus once that decision was made, and we'll talk about from that point forward. so you are aware, were you not, that a decision was made, that the tape would be released to be played to the martin family? is that correct? >> yes, sir. >> once that decision had been made, i want to focus you on the way that the recording was played for the martin family, okay? >> yes, sir. >> so, generally speaking, with your experience in law enforcement, within the context of what we will call lineups or whether that be a visual lineup o

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>> no, sir.en you worked with the medical examiner's office you in most cases attempted to find out all the information before you came to an opinion? >> it depends on what the case is about. often the information from the witnesses goes more towards the manner of death rather than the cause of death. in this case there's no question the manner of death. >> are you suggesting that in all the witnesses testimony should be disregarded? >> for my purpose, not for the jury but for my purposes it's not important in my giving my opinion. >> in terms of your limited opinion in terms of the gunshot wound of how it could have occurred? >> right. the other statements are for the jury to evaluate, not me. >> you're not saying that we should just disregard what led up to this, whether somebody was following or whether somebody was attack. you're not saying that should be disregarded? >> that's not what i'm doing. the rest of that is the jury. that's why they're sitting there. >> i didn't mean to imply that y

>> yes, sir. >> welcome back to hannity. we continue now with more of my exclusive interview with with george zimmerman an his attorney, mark o'mara. >> what did you do from that moment forward? this is where we get into this minute gap in this case. you know, what did you do from that minute forward when dispatch said we don't need you to follow him? what did you do next? >> i walked across the sidewalk on to my street where i thought i would meet a police officer that i had called. >> so you did not continue to follow him. >> no, sir. no, sir. >> all right. so you you continue from there. you sounded at that moment on the tape though a little bit distracted. what was the distraction? were you looking for him? or. >> i wanted to make sure that when he asked me for my address, i didn't want to make sure nobody was lingering and could hear my address an then come back. i was making sure that there wasn't anybody that was going to surprise me and just try and give them an accurate location. >> becau

>> yes, sir. jobs as civilian and as a police officer? >> with the police department, yes, sir. >> the manager of personnel unit would be the person who would normally calling custodian records of that type? >> yes, sir. >> how long does the prince william county police department keep the actual applications of records? >> well, in accordance with the virginia records retention act, what we do is we keep them for the mandated three years. after that time it is standard practice for us to destroy the records after that period. >> were you asked to investigate if you had any records to become a police officer by the defendant in this case, george zimmerman? >> yes, sir. >> were you able to locate the actual application? >> no, sir. it was destroyed. >> show you what's marked as state's exhibit 211. and do you recognize this exhibit, sir? >> yes, sir. >> okay. what is that? >> that's an extract. what we do after we destroy -- you are talking about the first document? after we destroy the records, af

>> yes, sir. >> the over hangs are in front of the front doors. >> you said he started from almost the beginning of the 911 call you said he came toward you and he seemed to reach for something in his waist band. did you think that was a gun? >> i thought he was just trying to intimidate me. >> to make you think there was a gun. >> a weapon? >> of some kind. >> possibly. >> something is wrong with him. he's checking me out. i don't know what his deal was. almost from the very beginning you felt, are you saying on the 911 tape you felt threatened at that moment when you said that to dispatch? >> not particularly. >> what did you mean i don't know what his deal is. he is checking me out. >> the way he was coming back -- i was on the phone but i was certain i could see him saying something to me in his demeanor, his body language. it seemed confrontational. >> it was a controversy from early on george where there was some in the media that quote hired expert voice analyst in certain networks and they

>> no, sir. >> did you threaten him in any way in order to get him to make a statement sir?>> no, sir, i did not. >> did you give him any promises in order to get him it make statement. >> no. >> your observations of the defendant that evening, did you consider those injury to be minor, major or what? >> minor. >> you mentioned you made arrangement and in that recording to meet with him later, i guess technically the morning of the 27th, to meet with him later, is that correct? >> yes, sir. >> now later that morning before you made contact with the defendant, did you become aware after missing person report that turned out to be trayvon martin? >> yes, sir, i did. >> and did you respond back to the scene and good to 2631 retreat view circle where brandy green live and where trayvon martin was staying that weekend? >> yes, i did. >> may i approach the witness again? >> there is two of them. >> showing you state's exhibit 140, when you came into contact with brandy green, and i believe also tracy martin, is that when you understood mr. martin, trayvon martin was staying, the d

>> yes, sir. >> and that was all part of your challenge interview. >> yes, sir. >> and what did he sayn you told him that? >> i believe his words were "thank god, i was hoping somebody would videotape it." >> what indication did him saying to you "thank god, i really hope somebody videotaped it," what did that indicate to you? >> in my opinion, it would have been -- >> objection. >> i apologize, your honor. >> the question was what did that indicate to him. >> correct. >> to officer serino. >> that was my question. >> okay. >> what the thinking -- i think -- >> no, the indication from that response, what did that indicate to officer serino, so overruled. >> want me to rephrase the question? >> please. >> sure. the fact that george zimmerman said to you thank go i hope somebody did videotape the event, what did that indicate to you? >> either he was telling the truth, or he was a complete pathological liar, one of the two. >> okay. now, let's look at overall, was there anything else in this case where you got the insight that he might be a pathological liar? >> no. >> as a matter of fac

>> yes, sir.l the need to carry a gun? a lot of people maybe have a weapon inside their home but you decided to carry yours. why did you think it necessary to have a weapon with your and did you carry it at all times? >> i carried it at all times except for when i went to work. >> a lot of this case has to do with stand your ground. you've heard a lot about it. i was just curious, prior to this night, this incident, had you even heard stand your ground? >> no. >> on the -- it was very interesting, the 911 call that everybody has heard you said that all of a sudden you found somebody that looked suspicious. he may be on drugs. that was one of the earlier comments. what made you think he was suspicious? and what made you think he might be on drugs? >> i felt he was suspicious because it was raining. he was in between houses, cutting in between houses and he was walking very leisurely for the weather. i didn't -- it didn't look like he was a resident that went to check their mail and got caught in th

>> yes, sir. >> the over hangs are in front of the front doors. >> you said he started from almost the beginning of the 911 call you said he came toward you and he seemed to reach for something in his waist band. did you think that was a gun? >> i thought he was just trying to intimidate me. >> to make you think there was a gun. >> a weapon? >> of some kind. >> possibly. >> something is wrong with him. he's checking me out. i don't know what his deal was. almost from the very beginning you felt, are you saying on the 911 tape you felt threatened at that moment when you said that to dispatch? >> not particularly. >> what did you mean i don't know what his deal is. he is checking me out. >> the way he was coming back -- i was on the phone but i was certain i could see him saying something to me in his demeanor, his body language. it seemed confrontational. >> it was a controversy from early on george where there was some in the media that quote hired expert voice analyst in certain networks and they

>> yes, sir. >> if i were to scream one scream over the next, until my breath ran out, 30 seconds, you know, ahhhh, compare that to if i would just scream in segments, sort of with a cadence, do you know what that is? >> let's say it sounds more like that. >> which one? >> the second one. >> the one that's screaming in more like a cadence? >> yes. >> as opposed to a continuous scream? >> yes. >> nothing further, your honor, thank you. >> briefly, your honor. i was speaking louder so i could make sure you heard the words. you're saying that mr. zimmerman because he knew he was being recorded was suttcu uttering it his breath, right? >> i couldn't say that. i think he was just talking. >> but you agree that, the f'ing punks because said under his breath because he knew he was being recorded? >> i couldn't say that at all. >> it was hard to hear, the f'ing punks, right? i had to play it a few times, right? >> yes. >> any redirect? >> if you wanted to say something and you were on a phone call with so

>> yes, sir. >> and leaning over him? >> yes, sir. >> and that mr.immerman had the gun in his right hand? >> yes, sir. >> and if you would, describe, then, what you know about that sequence of events, compared with the medical forensic and gunshot evidence. >> the medical evidence, the gunshot wound, the tattooing, is consistent with his opinion, with his statement as to that. and the reason it is, is, don't forget, the simplest thing is the gun was in his right hand. so if you're going to shoot somebody and you're right-handed and you're real close to them, the -- there's the natural inclination to, with a twist of the hand, that the bullet will tend to go from the deceased's left to his right, okay? but that's a minor point. the most important point is the nature of the defect in the clothing and the powder tattooing. that is, if you lean over somebody, you would notice that the clothing tends to fall away from the chest. if, instead, you're lying on your back and somebody shoots you, the clothing is going to be against your chest. so the fact that

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>> that's correct, sir. the voices we've been together most of us for period of month months and we all knew each other's voice and who it was. >> right. my question is there had been a person who had shown up that day and there was a fire fight out there and a shooting, if you never heard his voice you wouldn't be able to pick up that person's voice? >> no, sir. after february we had a lot of new guys. >> okay. in this case the only voice you're able to pick out is george zimmerman's voice? >> the voice screaming on the tape george zimmerman, sir. >> thank you. i have a matter to bring up to the court. >> shall we finish the examination. >> any re-direct? >> please, your honor. just to clear. as you listened to the 911 tape, i thought you were saying that some of the screams were -- >> objection as to leading. >> sustained. >> were all the screams you heard, those that same help and screaming, was that all from george zimmerman? >> yes, sir. >> there were other voices like the 911 operator and others. the b

>> yes, sir. >> from the darkness. >> yes, sir. >> did he say anything to you?. >> what did he say? >> when he came up to me, he said you you got a problem. and i said no. and then i went to reach for my phone, find my phone to call 911. and then he said you got a problem and pumped purnl punch my face. my head. all over my head. >> you were cleaned up already? because the officer said you were pretty much battered. >> yes, sir. >> you mounted you basically and started to get up on you? >> yes, sir. >> at what point -- >> after he hit my head against the concrete several times, i yelled out for help and he tried to smother my help. >> who yelled for help? >> i did. and he smothered my mouth and my nose. and when he did that, i tried to slide out and squirm. and i realized my shirt came up and i felt him slide his happened toward my right side. >> you thought he was going for your gun? >> yes. >> an automatic? >> yes. >> what kind of ammunition? >> i think it was hollow. >> what happened next? >> i shout him. >> you cleared the holster and shot him one time? what

me, sir?u asking >> i was trying to get back to her not getting answers, the --stration she experienced >> do you understand the question? >> sir, yes, i do get transferred out of their. >> at your request? yes. >> mr. lynch. >> thank you. i think the ranking member and the witnesses for coming before the committee and trying to help us with our work. i would like to try to reset this if i could. it seems you're getting into a debate about whether or not it was fair for the irs to add enhanced scrutiny for tea party groups. if they did the same thing for progressive groups. i just want to point out when the inspector general came before the committee, mr. george, he indicated there were three possible occasions of u.s. citizens that were subject to enhanced scrutiny. one comic identify tea party groups, patriot groups, ones of a more conservative ideology. he also mentioned progressive groups but also mentioned another category that sort of assumes both those groups. he said there were enhance

>> yes, sir. >> all parts of his head and you gave your opinion as to what that is or not. would you not agree that somebody that is familiar with his head like a doctor that had treated him in the past or like a physician's assistant would know what was existing there before that thing or not in terms of the shape of the body or the head is? >> may or may not. you don't generally remember the shape of one of your patient's heads especially if you are seeing 20 or 30 patients a day. >> my next question regarding that, who is the best person that would see george zimmerman right then and there the next day would be able to describe what injuries he had or did not have? >> in theory if they do it correctly, yes. the problem is that emergency room records and doctors records are generally lousy in regards to describing injuries, very, very lousy. >> you agree that the fire rescue people do an honorable job in the sense they know what they are doing. >> i'm not saying these people aren't competent. th

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>> yes, sir. >> why did you feel the need to carry a gun? a lot of people may have a weapon in the home and why did you think it was necessary to have a weapon with you and did you carry it at all times. >> i carried it at all times except for when i went to work. >> a lot of the cases has to do withstand your ground. we heard a lot about it and i was just curious, prior to this night and incident, had you heard stand your ground? >> no, sir. >> you never heard about it? >> no, sir. >> it was interesting in the 911 call that everyone has heard. all of the sudden, you found somebody who looked suspicious and he may be on drugs and that was an earlier comment. what made you think he was suspicious and might be on drugs? >> i felt he was suspicious because it was raining. he was in between houses, cutting in between houses and he was walking leisurely for the weather. it didn't look like he was a resident that went to check their mail and got caught in the rain and hurrying back home and didn't look