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[laughter] >> it's the big pension funds and mutual funds and hedge funds that are controlling the market, and when they're dumping stock, it's important to follow. the big question is why are they doing it. >> now, there's lots of talk there's a mid size macro fund in the market that was short treasuries, long oil, and that, and that deadly combination -- >> yes. faces. >> is blowing up in their faces. some of this is an unwind in than one fund.g there's more there's a lot of them that have that whether it's shire or a lot of people were betting on global growth and for rates to go higher, so a lot of people were short. and you could see that in that huge spike yesterday on the ten-year. >> have you heard any names out there? >> not yet. but i've heard from people that there's a lot of people who were in that crowded trade and got in trouble -- >> i can tell you one point of fact, skybridge, anthony is now a fox news contributor, he covers a lot of the big hedge funds. he said not any of the top 100.3 he says, he hasn't seen anything unusual. so it's cleary a mid-sized -- clear a mid-sized fund. liz: joe, you talk about why they would have to sell, because their clients call up and say i want out. i don't like the plan you actually have. you thought oil was going to skyrocket, it's done the total opposste. >> hedge funds -- liz: right. you can't just call up -- >> this is a loss. liz: but they can hear the phones ringing, so they will then make trades. there are margin calls. >> correct. it's not only clients, but active managers can make decisions on their own. the fears are endless. maybe the end of qe, maybe ebola, global growth as we've talked about, china, europe. they could also see there are some warning signs, and usually we don't find out the why until months later. liz: what other trades have gone south? the long euro trade? a short u.s. dollar? dollar has strengthened, as we've shown our viewers. >> yeah. i look at a lot of the individual growth stocks, you can see with netflix and so forth. in a better market, that wouldn't happen. >> but the trade now was pretty, it wasspredicated, the trade that we think is screwing up the market was predicated when everybody thought decent growth out of the u.s., treasury prices, interest rates oing up, obviously, prices going down, their you knowwwhat --e have got liz: so certain hedge funds that went astray, short treasuries, long oil. or long gold. >> right. >> either one. but both trades predicated on the fact you believe in global growth -- u.s. growth, and for some rrason it didn't happen that way. liz: so now here is another important question, can any of these if they were a major macro fund hurt the rest of the market? >> it could, yeah. it happened in '98 with long-term capital. that was the same thing, betting on russian debt which defaulted, and that wasn't quantified -- liz: how mucc in assets under management -- >> iidon't remember exactly. i don't remember. >> it wasn't that -- >> i want to say it was a few hundred million, but i don't remember. >> remember, what got them screwed up was leverage. that fund was leverages so much that we were talking about a $3 billion trade or something like that. >> right. >> here's the real issue with long-term capital, and it could play out here, you had copycat trade. who copied long-term capitals playing on goldman sachs, merrill lynch, so that's why they stepped in, to stop what they believe happened in 2008, the fed came in and did some sort of self-bailout. what people are worried about here is a simple thing where you have a couple major, mid-sized hedge funds on the trade -- >> qe4. do you think it's going to happen? >> i think it could. >> give us the odds. >> i think they need a specific plan, though, because bullard, as you said, is not a voting member. they need yellen and, except, draghi to put a plan together. they need to put a plan together. i don't know if they're going to -- tte fed is too reactionary. it's as if the market's down, and they're watching the tape and they say, oh, we've got to do something. they're almost too reactive to the market. liz: what they say and do might be two different things. >> sure. >> i think they're going to do it. listen, you mentioned this to me once over a beer, and it was one of the smartest things i've heard. president obama needs the stock market to stay where it is. >> he can't afford for it to fail. >> what do you do in the face of this? >> he appoints yellen, and if he gives the push, she's going to have to -- liz: well, george bush appointed bernanke, and he might have done the same thing. >> yeah. liz: joe, great to have you. please, come back again. >> thank you, i will. liz: charlie gasparino briigs him along. closing bell, 27 minutes away. the s&p 500 has turned positive but, agaii, we've seen this more than 60 times at least from the dow jones industrials today alone, up, down, all around. they may have reported better than expected earnings, but will it be enough to keep the major financial institution on top? and with all the ebola headlines spreading a lot of fear through the travel industry, how are the airline stocks reacting? they've actually held up pretty well the past 24 hours. is in the time to jump into airline shares or fly far away until the story's settled? joining me next, bob mca do, imperial capital airline analyst. he has names he loves right now. ♪ ♪ hard it can be..ow ...to breath copd? it can feel like this. copd includes chroc bronchit a emphyma. spiriva is once-daily inhaled... ...copd maintenance treatmen.. ...that helps openy airwfor a full 24 hour you know, spirivhelps me breae easi. spiriva handihaleny airtiotropium bromider inhalati powder does not place rescue inhalers for sudden symptoms. tell your airdoctor if yohamider kidney problems, glaucoma, trouble urining, or an enlarged prostate. ese y worsen wit iriva. discs all medicines you take, en eye dps. ststop takinspiriva d seek immediate medical help i ur throat or tonguewells,... u can get hives, vision chaes or r eye pain orroblems passing ure. other si effects include dry uth anconstipation. nothinn verse copd spiriva lps me breae better. sf blowing sound. does bathiitps me breaecopd.... ...weigh you down? 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yale new haven. withhall the breaking news, the airline industry has been rather jittery. today looks good. is now the right time for you to get into airline stocks? here with you now is bob macdo. he's imperial airline analyst. listen, you're in la. you saw this. the air ebola headlines. part of you wants to laugh, ut the other part is saying omg, this is certainly worry some. but airlines have pdf -@well over the past year. >> over the past few years they have. but the last few weeks haven't been that way. it's an interesting industries that's gone through a lot of change. mergers. finally you're operating like real businesses and not just chasing market shares. the one thing that is really interesting is that, you know, we've had a couple quarters now that have been record quarters. delta recorded a record quarter. we're going to get more record announcements in a week or so.% >> more record quarters in the next week or so, why? >> because peoppe have been really focusing on just running those flights that work and trimming the system back. don't just keep putting more and more airplanes. the major airlines haven't grown. delta is flying 200 less airplanes than they did five years ago. people have squeezed down. they're flying the flights that make money. you've got really good numbers coming in. that's before you get the fact that oil has come down. oil is a third of expenses of most. a third in about their expenses and all of a sudden whatever good numbers you had going into this quarter means fourth quarter will have a better situation. >> so why are investors focusing on the jet fuel component that you just articulated. jet fuel is suddenly a lot less expensive. do you think they're changing up their hedge strategies because it is at such a low price and that will propel these stocks and if so, which ones? >> well, deeta this morning made the -- the comment that what we've seen so far in terms of price reductions is going to add, just continues like it is adds a billion dollars to the bottom line in 2015. that's a huge number. we talked to america in the last few days. everyone has the same kind of situation. you get that kind of tailwind together with the share prices that will come down. i think it's a really interesting opportunity right now. agrees. >> your two picks. >> i'd go with american and delta. you know, they're plane vanilla kind of names. they're spread. they got domestic and international sproar. they've both been runninggtoward making more money as opposed to being bigger. >> thank you so much. i'll fed exit to you so you can frame it air ebola. how can you not very creative. bob, imperial capital airrlane analyst. we don't mean to make light of a very serious situation, but, again, the stories are turning epic at this point and we have 15 minutes until the closing bell rings. the market's wild streak is not letting up. what should you expect in the days and months or should we say minutes% ahead. the best way to protect your money, do not go anywhere. and google earnings coming up "after thelly bell" ' " >> breaking news, we are just hearing now that dallas is going to have a meeting as whether they should declare a state of emergency. whether they will ask governor rick perry for that. coming up in ten minutes five p.m. eastern is mike rollins, the mayor of dallas. he will come on the program to talk about it. forgive me for a moment. some typp of local state of emergency because of the ebola situation and because that first patient to have arrived from africa had landed right there in dallas. stay tuned for that. we have about 11 minutes before the close. so we need to tell you that after all the big moves today, the dow, the nasdaq, the s&p are actually breaking even or turning positive. dow down just about 29 points. transports are looking very good. look at the russell up one and a half percent at the moment. let's go back to goldman sachs. people are wondering if goldman is king of the streets. third quarter results better than expected. while the financial institute is trading down two and a half percent maybe all this trading volatility is great for it. should investors stay there or elsewhere. jooning me now president and ken, global director of research. fred, to you first on the financials. @hey love this kind of movement. should we stay with these names? >> i think from a trading standpoint i think this volatility -@say tough one to swallow is a very good thing. looking ahead that's a good thing. the flat yeel curve is a tough environment for banks. the credit spreads widening out is tough @or many. you want to play a little bit of the trading game right now. >> can you define credit spreads? >> everybody is watching the ten-year collapsed downnbelow, but if yyu look at the credit, the high yield credit market and look at that spread again against the ten-year you see that gap out. there's a lot less liquidity in the market today because of all the regulations we've seen. >> mark has a totally differrnt view of the way he looks t things. you're a value investor. what are you doing with your client's money right now. >> i think that's very true. the value of business changes a lot more slowly than the share i think we're always looking for a disconnect between price and value. when we he get a volatility like we've seen in the last four, five weeks it it gives us more opportunity to put cash to work. a name that we like is northern oil and gas. the share price has come in a good bit here around ten or $11. we think it's worth in the high teens. it's really interesting business only 0 people running it. they have minority interest in wells in the back enshe will. they've hedged out their oil approximately 17 percent. >> twenty peeple working there. it's up 16 percent today. does tv an attractive dividend that people love here? >> no. (?) it's about a 600 million cap. people consume capital they don't generate at this point. but we think it's undervalued at the current oil price. >> it's breaking news, but it's happened about 65 times today. the dow has moved up or down and it just turned positive. we have people listening in the car. so we should tell them now the dow is up again about eight points. looking at the trading floor behind you,,how frantic does it feell does it feel calm because it tends to feel jittery when we're seeing the numbers move all over the place today. >> to a lot of traders it feels good because it's so depressed for so long. general, the feeling is pretty good. you see some of those pictures of it down. for so long these tradersshave been twiddling their thumbs we're seeing some activity. we're feeling pretty good about that. >> mark, looking at the five-year bull market it's not a surprise that we've had and it's pieces of a correction here. but this week alone has made some people maybe make mistakes in the moves they do. you like western union. today appleould launch apple pay. is that a negative for western union? >> it's a a wonderful brand, liz. it's been around since the 1860s. first data. it's got 500,000 agents around the world. it's the dominant money transfer they have great relationships with all their people. and it's almost bond like in the free cash flow it generates over a billion dollars per year and it pays a good bit of that out as a dividend. so 15 in change, we think they're worth materially higher than that. >> the dow went from positive to negative while you guys were talking. >> sorry. >> i don't know. mark travis intrepid funds president and we love you fred. fred canon. global director of research. tell the traders at kbw we said hi. closing bell we're five minutes away. we're following all the breaking news on the ebola outbreak. including the schools closing in texas and ohho we will be joined live by the dallas mayor mike rollins. they're about to decide whether they'll ask rick perry to declare some type of st