the congressional budget act that established the cbo has been sbempted as man dating the cbo to provide point predictions or scores of the budgetary impact of legislation. the scores are conveyed to leaders of congress, and they're not accompanied by measures of unternty. there are various things the cbo does that does express uncertainty but not the scores. i -- one notable example that i've used on a case study in my book was the scoring of the affordable care act, and it's a quote from the letter that doug sent to speaker pelosi back in 2010, the cbo and jct estimating that both pieces of legislation -- people will remember there were two pieces of legislation. would produce a net reduction of $138 billion in the debt. so the question is what does that $138 billion reduction really mean? plus or minus $5 billion? plus or minus $50 billion or whatever? doug will remember, douglas holtz-eakin wrote in the new york times that the real number was going to add to the deficit by $562 billion. his estimate and the cbo estimate were off by $700 billion. so what i'd argue is that the cbo shou

and the cbo's reputation will go. i would rather the cbo face up to this and provide uncertainty. a very simple way to do this might be to provide integral fork cast. it could be a probability distribution. we don't have to get into those details. now the question is this really the right question to and on in this room, congress cope with uncertainty? when i've talked about this academic offices -- they say of course the cbo should be transparent about the uncertainty. when i talk to people around washington they tend to be skeptical. there were two reactions that i've received. some people assert that members of congress are psychologically unable to deal with uncertainty. i have heard that many times. i won't describe any particular individual but i've heard it many times. some gave it game theory argument that in decision-making there's a noncooperative gain and expressing uncertainty will make things worse. there's one brookings economist which was i had a fairly uncomfortable e-mail exchange a few years ago. i will end up with three questions because i can answer whether con

>> i don't run cbo, i did not draft the legislation. >> what does cbo stand for? >> congressional budget office. >> what is scoring? quest a message to five the method by which the congressional budget office estimates the effect of legislation on the federal budget. >> you have said that you wrote part of obama care yourself. what parts did you right? >> if i said that it was once again an effort to see more important than i was. >> why would you say you wrote part of obama care yourself, and you are the numbers guy, they used your modeling and knew they might have to convince the supreme court that it was a tax and convince the congressional budget office for scoring purposes that it was not a tax? how did you do that? >> ma'am, once again, i did not did not write any part of the affordable care act. >> explicitly said you wrote part of obama care yourself. >> i was speaking glibly. >> how many non- politicians know what cbo is? how many non- politicians know what scoring is? how many non- politicians would know that you have to get by cbo scoring in order to ge

>> i don't run cbo. i didn't draft the legislation. >> what does cbo stand for? >> congressional budget office. >> what is scoring? >> scoring is the method by which the congressional budget office estimates the effects of legislation on things like the federal budget. >> you have said in 2012 remarks that you wrote part of obamacare yourself. what parts did you write yourself? >> if i said that, that was once again an effort to seem more important than i was. >> why would you say you wrote part of obamacare yourself and you are the numbers guy. they used your modelling. they knew they might have to convince the u.s. supreme court that it was a tax and convince the congressional budget office for scoring purposes that it was not a tax. how did you do that? >> ma'am, once again, i did not write any part of the affordable care act. >> why did you say in 2012 explicitly that you wrote part of obamacare yourself? >> i was speaking glibly. >> how many non-politicians know what cbo is? how many non-politicians know what scoring is? how many non-politicians would know t

. >> cbo did. they revise that downward. >> sixty-seven. >> the end of this year. >> i don't think that's correct. i would have to look at that. >> 10, 12. >> you mean for the end of 2015. >> 2014 or 2015. >> the end of 2014 i believe was the 7 million that was revised if i remember correctly. the end of 2015, it was taught to five. >> of the chairman will indulge me. trying to get accurate numbers based on the expansion. the new expanded definition. will we be able to get a listing of the difference between people that enrolled in medicaid and those who became eligible based upon the expansion? >> we are working on that even as we speak. >> when do you think we we will get that number? >> soon. >> defined soon. >> i might note that congress will be going. >> i don't think we we will meet that definition lacks the senator will getting a report next year. >> help me understand soon. >> in the process. >> geological terms. >> geological terms. >> about a month. >> early on i probably should have gott

i don't know that we ever had a publicly stated goal for -- >> cbo did. >> cbo had 7 million originally and then they revised that down in the spring. we were delighted it was 6.7. >> the cbo number was 13 million, is that correct? >> no, i don't think that's correct. i'd have to look at that. >> 10, 12? what's the guess? >> so -- you mean for the end of 2015? >> 2014 or 2015. >> the end of 2014, i believe, was the 7 million that was revised down to 6 million, if i remember correctly. for the end of 2015, by this time next year, i think it was 13 million. >> okay. if the chairman will indulge me one last question. just another transparency number. that is the medicaid numbers. trying to get accurate numbers based on the expansion that occurred, the new expanded definition of medicaid in states that took that expansion. will we be able to get a listing of the difference between people that enrolled in medicaid, just enrolling in medicaid, and those who became eligible base on the expansion? >> yes. we're actually working on that report as we speak. >> when do you think we'll get that num

what was life like before the cbo? what was it like without scoring when everybody was making up their own numbers? i certain remember back -- the issue, social security, before we got indexing for inflation, so the issue was how much should we raise benefits this year and what are the political pressures and what kind of limits can we set on it so scoring set the limit but it was all made up scoring because the system had no automatics and the scoring was made up -- here's a formula. here's a number. so congress could hide behind the number when beneficiaries wanted bigger things i think scoring really matters, even as imperfect as it is. >> pass the mike back to representative cooper. >> i love the british way of whole of government accounting and also on a commercial basis, which i take to mean a cruel accounting. here austerity was caused by state and local employees as federal government was trying to do the right thing. so few of our colleagues have any idea of what a fiscal gap is, much less how large it is. >>

if cbo scored the mandate as taxes, the bill dies. i know mr. gruber that you believe that your statements were inexcusable and insulting but they do appear to be true. you're not here recanting today your statements with respect to the tax aspect of obamacare, are you? >> i'm here today to say that any conjectures i made about political -- >> this is not a conjecture, mr. gruber. i mean conjecture is i believe it may have been, someone may have been thinking, perhaps they were, perhaps it was. this is your straight-up statements. these are not conjecture. is it your purpose today to recant obamacare as a tax? >> it is my purpose today to come forward and elaborate and straighten out the interpretation of a series of comments that i made and to apologize -- >> excellent, let's do that then. let's clarify it. mr. gruber, you made these statements, did you not? >> if -- i don't recall exactly. >> you don't recall. one of them we actually saw on video. do you recall that one? >> yeah. >> right. okay. well, these statements, we'll enter them for the

working for the cbo? >> i was on the council through 2008? >> you mean 2011? is that correct? >> were you on the advisory council? >> i do not know when they took me off. >> were you on the panel in 2010? >> i did not attend any meetings. >> to have communications? >> yes. >> you did not attend meetings but you did have communication? how many times since obama took office did you go to the white house? >> i don't recall exactly. >> board and 20? >> no. >> i believe it was. how many times you think it was? going to the white house is the significant event. >> primarily to the executive office building to meet with his staff. >> did you meet with the president? >> once during discussions. >> how long was that meeting ? >> meeting that lasted maybe an hour and a half with 20 people and i spoke five minutes. >> was mr. l mundorf there? >> yes. >> what was your capacity in the meeting? >> to talk about options for health care cost control. >> were you there as the cbo member? mac neither purpose as an expert.

still the vast majority of c. -- cbo's estimates are without ranges. i think there are three principle reasons for that. first the congressional budget process requires point estimates of the budgetary effects of proposed legislation. bill hogan put this in a more pithy way than i will but budget resolutions provide committees with allocations to express point values. the house and senate budget committees track the estimated budgetary legislation using point values. the statutory pay-as-you-go wind after 2010 in various parliamentary rules of the house and senate all are enforced using points. a range that encompass to comply with budgetary rules would not be used in those procedures are enforcing those rules. we do need to provide point estimates. one might argue that the congress should change its approach to explicitly reflect uncertainty but developing comprehensible procedures and rules that use a range of figures rather than point values seems quite daunting. the second reason that cbo does not provide ranges for its estimate is that we often la

what was life like a for the cbo? what was it like without scoring when people was making up their own numbers. i certainly room -- remember the issue over social security. the issue was her much would we brace benefits this year and what are the political pressures and what the mets can we set so scoring set the limit but it was all made up scoring because the system had no automatics. the scoring was made up, here is a number. congress could hide behind the number when beneficiaries wanted bigger things. i think scoring really matters. as important as it is. >> i love the british way of the whole of government accounting and on a commercial basis which i take to mean a cruel accounting. a sturdy was caused i state and local government that laid off countless employees as the government was trying to do the right thing. few colleagues have any idea what the fiscal gap is plus how large it is. there was -- will have to have a longer discussion of what happened prior to the automatics. there was serious consideration.

well, cbo says -- cbo was completely wrong. >> if called, will you serve as head of ceo? >> i'd love to see that one. >> i would love to see the universe in which dean baker was the head. >>> quickly, the numbers that josh and i was just disz cussing, are you in line with the basic contours? it seems like we're coming up to the end of the slack and it looks like genuine gains for ordinary working people. if you take a three month avera average, wage growth was somewhat slower than it had been over the prior year. now, maybe we'll see december, january look good again, but making any strong statements about one month of wage growth, that's just bad judgment. >> dean baker, thank you for joining us. >> when it comes to the prl e criminal justice system and the deadly force of policing, that's next. next. bla blamg blamg new full lash bloom mascara from easy, breezy, beautiful covergirl which means it's timeson for the volkswagen sign-then-drive event. for practically just your signature, you could drive home for the holidays in a german-engineered volkswagen. like the sport

that is why we say read the cbo reports. but there are ways to do interesting education that can help focusing on the candidate. >> you do have to educate them. our major newspapers have gone downhill and do not have the influence. >> i would just add that if you follow the cromnibus, which everyone was reading about, you read about the whole thing, and you still do not know what was in it. the little interesting stories, the funny stories, but there is nowhere that you gone say the they just passed a $1.1 trillion budget. what is in this? no one who has been following the best news coverage actually knows because the sensationalist journalism does not lead to that. >> i'm sure that both of you had the same experience of being called by a reporter about a bill like that. you have all sorts of witty things you want to say about what it means for the big picture. and the question is always, what is the worst thing you can point out? find something really absurd and tell me about that. it happens all the time. to pick up on wha

you think the american people have actually bought into obama care without all the deception for the cboring? >> once again i have no comment. >> if you're telling the truth, why are you apologizing as you did for being honest about what was done to get obama care passed? >> i have no comment. >> professor, come on, one last chance to have a conversation. professor, do you really think the american voters are stupid? >> no comment. >> what about the obama care? is that just a hoax on the american people? >> my question to you, congressman, now that we know it was sold on a mountain of lies, why are republicans struggling? they'll have in the next congress, their constitutional authority to defund this. why is this even a problem for so many? why are they, i guess, in conflict over doing what they clearly have the ability to do constitutionally? >> well, sean, a lot of people, unfortunately, on capitol hill, always played prevent defense. they're always concerned about saying big things but not doing anything to get in trouble. >> including republicans are your fellow republicans. >> incl

dash the cbo alternative scenario numbers. the net interest eventually becomes the real driving force but in how the program as boomers begin to retire, health care costs continue to grow. certainly that is programmatically the things that are driving the gap between spending and revenues. but if you keep doing that, as in the nose of type of off their credit cards, eventually the interest costs will get you, and that happens with the federal budget. and so the low teaser rates we are expensive now on the federal debt is allowing us to take on all this new debt without interest costs going up substantially. that, too, is kind of a one shot deal that was going to pass. i appreciate the point that maybe we got to the last 20 years without a catastrophe but there's a lot of things that happened that i'm going to happen again and that kind of run out of time on as boomers. i wish i had that 20 years back. i felt a lot better 20 years ago, but, you know, that's dash but i wouldn't say hey come in 1994 i could you ask why see and lo

october 17 he said this bill was written in a torture way to make sure cbo did not score the band-aid as taxes. now i know mr. gruber you believe your statements were inexcusable and insulting but they do appear to be true. you are not here recanting today your statements with respect to the tax aspect of obamacare are you? >> i'm here today to say any conjectures i made. >> this is not a conjecture mr. gruber. conjecture is i believe someone may have been thinking perhaps they were, perhaps it was. this is your straight up statement. is your purpose today to recant obamacare as a tax? >> is my purpose today to come forward and elaborate and straighten out the interpretation of the series of comments i made and to apologize. >> excellent, let's do that then. mr. gruber you made the statement, did you not? >> i don't recall exactly. >> one of them was on video. you recall that one? >> yeah. >> these statements and we wanted them for the record and i can imagine and overcall your own statements because the american voter has seen them over and over again as you call them stupid. do you

if cbo scored the han date as the mandate as taxes, the bill dies. i know mr. gruber that you believe that your statements were inexcusable and insulting but they do appear to be true. you're not here recanting today your statements with respect to the tax aspect of obamacare, are you? >> i'm here today to say that any conjectures i made about political -- >> this is not a conjecture, mr. gruber. i mean conjecture is i believe it may have been, someone may have been thinking, perhaps they were, perhaps it was. this is your straight-up statements. these are not conjecture. is it your purpose today to recant obamacare as a tax? >> it is my purpose today to come forward and elaborate and straighten out the interpretation of the series of comments that i made and to apologize -- >> excellent, let's do that then. let's clarify it. mr. gruber, you made these statements, did you not? >> if -- i don't recall exactly. >> you don't recall. one of them we actually saw on video. do you recall that one? >> yeah. >> right. ok. well these statements, we'll enter them for the

she's talking the cbo. >> it will affect the us economic growth. neil: thank you very, very much. >> should be more love in the world, neil. neil: barry white. dim the lights. the president said he's canceling millions of deportations because congress won't get off its butt. i want you to meet the guy urging republicans not to hurry and get off their butts and do mom! dear! announcer: in your new role, we help you help. visit aarp.org/caregiving for information on how to provide even better care for the person who once took care of you. hey check it out hey get that sign back up ♪when it gets cold and it feels like the end♪ (sndfx: clapping) ♪there's no place to go you know i won't give in♪ (sndfx: clapping) ♪no, i won't give in ♪keep holding on ♪caues ya know we'll make it through♪ neil: well, order smorder. the president said he's happy. happy to rip up his executive order if congress will give him a new order. bush economic advisor said he's got a better idea. what would that be, ed? >> well, i think there are three things that need to be done.

cbo has run calculations and models. it is a comprehensive debt deal in place, that is one of the surest cases to growth. that is how you would grow the economy. all of that is incredibly important. it doesn't work if keep by -- borrowing. -- it does require borrowing. the drumbeat has kept up. a presidential campaign were people demand answers. >> we've all go to bill and an audience. so much has been said. nothing has happened. i think things did happen. think we did put into place a balanced budget that was successful. the difficulty is we did a lot of things that didn't help the long-term. we have restricted growth exactly in the areas that is important for our country. investment in health care. education. transportation. those of the areas we really have control of spending. but we have it done is the last time we did other mental capturing form was before this report. 1986. we haven't focused on reform. it should happen in the next congress. i'm pessimistic. one other point i would like to make is something also h

that goes to the basic integrity of process what cbo does and democratic process which this happened. i would like to, hope to see tough grilling about that, particularly since elmendorf such for renomination. melissa: you knew costs were going to go up. you knew it at the time, who else knew? >> listen, i like gruber for the simple reason, very succinct, honest and way, explained a tragedy and this sort of crime, small c, not legal crime, maybe it's a legal crime, of obamacare. he went out, in those tapes defined what is wrong with this law more than any other single person has done. melissa: that's right. >> he went out succinctly it was based on deception. melissa: it was written in a very tortured way to hide tax. >> we knew that people were dumb enough to buy the bs that this was socialized medicine but when it was really compulsory health care insurance coverage. >> we'll see if anything new comes out. i'm not so sure it will. melissa: who else knew. >> distancing themselves from him. >> if it was great if he does half of what he did in the tapes? melissa: i will be watching. >>

she's talking the cbo. >> it will affect the us economic growth.l: thank you very, very much. >> should be more love in the world, neil. neil: barry white. dim the lights. the president said he's canceling millions of deportations because congress won't get off its butt. i want you to meet the guy urging republicans not to hurry and get off their butts and do how can power consumption in china, impact wool exports from new zealand, textile production in spain, and the use of medical technology in the u.s.? at t. rowe price, we understand the connections of a complex, global economy. it's just one reason over 70% of r mutual funds beat their 10-year lipper average. t. rowe price. invest with confidence. request a prospectus or summary prospectus with investment information, risks, fees and expenses to read and consider carefully before investing. neil: well, order smorder. the president said he's happy. happy to rip up his executive order if congress will give him a new order. bush economic advisor said he's got a better idea. what would that be, ed

she's talking the cbo. >> it will affect the us economic growth. neil: thank you very, very much. >> should be more love in the world, neil. neil: barry white. dim the lights. the president said he's canceling millions of deportations because congress won't get off its butt. i want you to meet the guy urging republicans not to hurry and get off their butts and do the wrong thing on immigration neil: well, order smorder. the president said he's happy. happy to rip up his executive order if congress will give him a new order. bush economic advisor said he's got a better idea. what would that be, ed? >> well, i think there are three things that need to be done. first, we need to move towards a skills based system of handing out green cards. second, we need to figure out a way to regular lieize the people here illegally. i propose a v visa. then we have to find a better way to enforce border control. i suggest we do that through employer enforcement, primarily by punishing people who hire illegals, but allowing them to have safe harbor if they do appro

i think only henry aaron hasn't worked at cbo out of this grew.lice rivlin actually created it and i will get to her in just a moment, but sitting to my right is bob hale who was along with jack mayer my direct boss at cbo but he made up for that part of this crew by doing amazing things thereafter even though he had to supervise me for for a while. u.s. comptroller of the air force in the 1990s for much of the clinton administration if it wasn't a just about a year, the cultural of entire department of defense. and between other jobs including running the national comptroller association, i learned a great deal about defense strategy from bob as well. remarkably, it is a huge credit to pop and many others many -- many others in the military that dod kept functioning in this incredibly difficult period . he will be putting this current issue and broader context in terms of military compensation reform and the department of defense's overall budget challenge. carla tighe murray is a ph.d economist at university of illinois. she also worked at the p

locations for possible isolation in quarantine needs and collaborating with our partner agencies and cbo's know the word got out for ebola, we know the city felt it was prepared because of this team. thank you very much. [ applause ] >> please step forward so we can acknowledge all that are here. thank you. there is a photo op here. okay. amika, please come forward. she provided analysis and staff report for the mayor's 2013 universal health council. on july 2013, mayor asked her to include the stakeholders and data driven process to examine san francisco's implementation of the federal affordable care act and it's integration in our own health and security plan. the final report issued in january of this year. the topic was controversial and the ten adversarial. micka remained the focus was on the staff. micka help identified the key issues in order to do its work and draft the key issues. she planned with meeting and planning and evaluation of logistics. it was successful to its success and certainly helped this commission through the issues. thank you very much, and congratulations a. [

the cbo alumni gathering. only only henry aaron has now worked at cb a lot of this crew.i will get to her in a moment, but sitting immediately to my right thing made up for that part of his career by doing amazing things thereafter. controller of the air force. this is the year he is glad going into the christmas season because he is the guy that had the handle sequestration. in terms of his workload like the grinch's dog. he got through it remarkably actually. it's a huge credit to bob and many others in the military. they they kept functioning. a lot of other compliments as well. military compensation, department of defense. she also worked at the pentagon but is now at the congressional budget office and has what recent options papers and studies on defense health care that it talked about the ways in which among other things some of the cost might be shifted a bit more within reason to the actual members of the military and their families because as many of you no this is a generous system in terms of the cost-sharing. most of most of us would agree with that philosop

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public, because it would have been objectionable and we drafted the legislation so we could avoid a cbo scoring, and the thing that he wouldn't tell us is, okay, who told you that? who did you sit with in the administration and who had that discussion with about how they would set about deceiving the american public? certainly it's objectionable. >> that is incredibly important piece of administration. listen to this. >> did they have the conversation with you that it had to be drafteded in i way that the cbo did not score the mandated taxes? anyone in the administration acknowledge it, explain it, or assign aspects to you within that construct? you are under oath. >> i honestly do not recall. >> wow. that's convenient to say people don't recall, right? what do you think? >> well, i think he does recall, and that's why we caught him in casual conversation and at conference on tape openly saying he was part of the deception, that the obama administration, you know, worked dereceive the american public, and now he is saying, okay, now i'm in front of you, and i want to apologize for insul

i'm not only a member of the cbo, but once upon a time a perpetrator and did ten years in prison for possession of a firearm and i know everybody is trying to get the guns off the streets and out of appropriate homes because my fetish for guns started when i was young, when i was 11 years old and my grandfather had a gun in the house. i was 11 and he was older at the time and it was in his drawer, easy for me to get to and that started my affection and affiliation for guns. i took guns to the school and thank god nothing every happened, but stuff like that happens and it's going to take all of us and now that i'm adult and changed my life and rights the wrongs that i did to get the guns off our streets and start healing our youth. thank you. [ applause ] >> good afternoon. superintendent and the commissions and matt for putting forth this resolution. my name is maddie scott and many of you know me from the last 19 years' of doing this work. i lost my youngest son george c. scott to gun violence in 1996, right around the corner from my home and i lost my nephew, 2007, timothy scott. 1

i do see the cbo will say, hey, we have to move another five years, and we'll move it out another fivember, social security was created way long ago when the -- charles: it was a scam when it was created. >> the -- when the average person died at 67, 68. charles: right. >> and they're going to move the goalpost. >> there's only so far they can move the goalpost until you're out of the stadium, that's the issue here. charles: i mean, driving -- i mean, this is the story of america right now because it's the story of europe. someone tweeted me the other day and was angry because i made disparaging remarks about the greek people and being on welfare. my man, that's what you call it. when you get two months off for vacation, when you can retire because you're a hairdresser at 50, that's called welfare. and they have driven the up to the edge of the cliff. we are driving towards this cliff. we can play these cbo games all we want, but at some point we meet that cliff. >> if the left and right truly want to do social security, and we're all going to argue against it, the age goes up and the

and we have gone to a more regular application, training process, of our cbos so that they know how to get the clients ready to apply. and we now do stronger hiring events and partnerships with cpmc. thank you. >> i am with the department of health and this slide is the summary of the 2013, healthcare commitments that were incorporated into the development agreement and i will go through each one. first is the base line, charity care commitment. the purpose of this was to insure that cpmc will maintain their current level of service when they entered into the development agreement, and that any other healthcare obligations would come on top of the commitment, and that they were already giving to the low income residents of san francisco. serve a base line of 30,445 of patients each year and insures that everything else is in addition to what they did at the time that they entered into the contract and so for the prorated portion of the development agreement, they serve, 4421, unduplicated patient and they exceeded that by serving 5687, this provision, has been verified, and their compl

if cbo scores the mandate as taxes bill dice. know you believe your statements were insensitive around insulting but. you're not recanting your statements with respect to the tax statements with respect to obama care, are you? >> i made -- >> this is into the conjecture, gruber. i believe, someone may have been thinking perhaps they were. perhaps it was, this is your straight up statements. this is not conjecture. is it your purpose today to recant obamacare as a tax? >> it is my purpose today to come forward and elaborate and straighten out interpretation of a series of comments that made and to apologize. >> excellent. let's do that then. let's clarify it. mr. gruber, you made these statements did you not? >> yes, i don't recall exactly -- >> you don't recall. one of them we actually saw on video. do you recall that one? >> yes. >> well, these statements, we'll enter them for the record, i can't imagine how you don't recall your own statements because the american voter has seen them over and over again as you called them stupi

and conversely cpmc has received a lot of education around sort of our cbo's and how they prepare clients for opportunities not just theirs but broader type of training and skill development. i feel like we've gotten stronger but i have heard comments around trust and perception and cultural competency and obviously that's a big part of the work that we want to do moving forward and the funds that we have to focus on. >> thank you very much. the counseling medical center also has the responsibility to ensure those structural barriers are removed. when we heard from the three gentlemen who had three interviews and no feedback and you have the community to ensure that we have the people in the community who get the job and they are discouraged, that's a problem. so we need to fix that. >> yeah, we hear it. >> thank you. >> thank you. commissioner richards? >> just quickly, those kinds of things we are talking about happen everywhere. the company i just came from apply and they have an interview and it takes forever and they never hear back. specifically the feedback to why the candidate did

i think only henry aaron hasn't worked at cbo out of this grew.alice rivlin actually created it and i will get your in just a moment but sitting to my right is bob hale it was along with jack mayer my direct boss at cbo but he made up for that part of this grew by doing amazing things thereafter even though he had to supervise me fo for a wh. u.s. comptroller of the air force in the 1990s for much of the clinton administration if it wasn't a just about a year, the cultural of entire department of defense. and between editors other jobs including running the national comptroller association but i learned a great deal about defense strategy from bob as well. this is very probably is lead going into the christmas season nonot to have to be the scrooge again because he's the guy that handle sequestration and probably made him feel like in terms of his workload like the grinches dock at time trying to pull all those presents the top of the mountain but he got through it and remarkably actually i think it's a huge credit to bob and to many others in the

one of the things he said is that they deliberately had a cbo not score the mandate as a tax. that was a big fight when the vote was on obama care. would that have made any difference if there wasn't this sort of shifty activity in calling it not a tax and it is a tax? >> maybe we should have informed justice roberts since he ruled on it as a tax. so yeah, it's a really kind of a legalistic thing. but the whole obama care case turned on that justice roberts deciding it wasn't a penalty. it was a tax. it is a big deal. i frankly disagree with judge roberts. it's a huge mistake to think that we are going to presume that all laws are constitutional and give always the legislature the benefit of the doubt. i'm a big believer that the courts are there to try to protect natural liberty and to protect your rights and that we shouldn't always concede to majority rule. majorities can do really bad things sometimes. >> so what should be done? now we've got the situation where of course he says he's not the architect of obama care he's the architect of romney care. the obama administrati

you had prices on medicare prescription drugs 40% below what was predicted by the cbo, and you have a tremendous amount of satisfaction with seniors in that plan because of the free market reforms that were put in. to have that kind of efficiency in medicare, in a health care program, is virtually unprecedented. the republican plans, in my estimation, are exactly the ones that will keep these entitlement programs sustainable and ineffective. -- sustainable and effective. paul ryan says if you are 55 or over there will be no change. younger, there will be changes. i am completely open to the idea that higher income people get lesser social security benefits. , which political movement, which philosophy can put in changes, the reforms that will sustain it and make it efficient and helped the most people? host: we will go to robert next. missouri, republican caller. caller: good morning. i would like to ask peter two questions. why with the gas going down the way it is and the economy picking up, why can we this money that we are saving and put it on the deck? bring the debt down. i am 8