the president has full confidence in john brennan according to the white house. where there is space, john and michaela, is whether or not these tactics should be used. the president has said that has eroded the moral authority of the united states. that's why he banned those practices, as he says, as soon as he came into office. that has not changed. if there's one clear distinction between the obama administration and bush administration it is on this question of using waterboarding and using those harsh interrogation tactics. >> as jim says, evan, the white house has full confidence in john brennan. you'll be in langley when he steps to the podium, what are you looking to hear from him today at the conference? >> one of the things that's happened over the last few years with john brennan in particular is he has sort of zigzagged a little bit on some of his answers about this program. i think there's going to be a lot of questions about exactly where does he stand on the way it was developed, the way it was told to the white house and the justice department and

an unprecedented news conference today by the cia director john brennan strongly defending his agencyorture allegations. brennan is drawing a sharp rebuttal from the committee chair, dianne feinstein. we're back with a former cia spokesperson bill harlow. she was tweeting -- i don't know if it was her or her staff -- >> i think it was her staff. >> they were tweeting during the course of the press conference, which went on for 45 minutes, tweeted this "cia says unknowable if we could have gotten the intel other ways. studies show it is knowable. cia had info before torture." in other words, she's saying that there's no positive benefits from the enhanced interrogation, that that information could have gotten in other ways -- what the director of the cia said today, it's possible that they could have gotten it in other ways but that's not knowable. >> she's wrong again. in fact, if you go to the minority study, cia study which is on ciasaveslives.com, you'll find that there was valuable information which was gotten from them. maybe if we had the luxury of time, we might have developed

>> john brennan was walking a very -- >> [indiscernible] >> it sure did.the one hand, he's working for a president who in 2008 said we need the truth and reconciliation commission on this, and has been backed off from this overtime. mr. brennan himself is career cia and was there in the cia these eventsen were going on. he was very defensive of his own staff. he made the case that the report was one-sided, but he did not argue that they did not torture. that itso didn't argue could be proven that those enhanced interrogation techniques necessarily lead to valuable information. >> it was interesting. what is really fascinating is that the white house has made it clear that they are not going to get into this debate. in 2008 made obama it clear he believed these techniques were not useful. by banning their use in 2009 as soon as he became president, he was voting that they are not useful and would not be in the future. his own cia chief would not take a position on it. >> he said himself at odds with former cia directors who have said quite adamantly that th

the white house maintains the president still has full confidence in cia director john brennan and brennan will have a chance to defend himself at a news conference at the cia later on this afternoon, carol. >> jim acosta reporting live at the white house and in just a few hours we should hear more from the cia director, john brennan, in a rare public exchange, the head of the nation answer spy agency will also field questions from reporters. cnn will carry the news conference live. it is scheduled for 1:30 eastern time. >>> still to come in "the newsroom," countries with human rights abuses of their own slamming the u.s. over the torture report. so have we lost our moral authority? should we care? we'll talk about that next. [ male announcer ] are you so stuffed up, you feel like you're underwater? try zyrtec-d® to powerfully clear your blocked nose and relieve your other allergy symptoms... so you can breathe easier all day. zyrtec-d®. find it at the pharmacy counter. zyrtec-d®. we asked people a question how much money do you think you'll need when you retire? then we gave each person a

so if john brennan and the cia say this right now, you say what? >> well, listen, i agree with bill harlow. the cia obviously has a position on this. they're not making things up. but what we really need to do is see the interrogation reports and compare them with all the other documentation. it may turn out that the cia is right. but right now, this has become too partisan. we're not getting at the truth. and i think it would behoove the cia to make its case just as it's made its case that it didn't go off on this program of enhanced interrogation on its own. it was ordered from the top, approved by the senate and the house. and it should point out why it believes that enhanced interrogation led to the murder of bin laden. >> peter, button this up for us. you're the historian and the scholar. you've gone through the senate intelligence committee report, the minority report, the cia report, but you've also spent more than a decade studying all of this. >> well, hopefully, conversation to be continued because there's a 6,000 page version of this --

almost as if they were trolling to use the term, trolling john brennan. she put out a written statement largely conciliatory really, but is taking issue with the phrase that brennan adopted from the white house talking point. he didn't use it in the statement on tuesday when the report was released. an unknowable phrase - whether or not the same information could have been gleaned from people who were intention interrogated, prisoners interrogated, detainees without harsh techniques. the white house said it's unknowable, may as well not discuss it. president obama certainly has not been eager to talk about it over the course of the last days. and jacob brennan is using the phrase as well. dianne fienstein certainly taking issue with that. >> so that point, let's listen to brennan defending the use of techniques. >> there was useful intelligence, very useful, valuable, that was obtained from individuals who had been at some point subjected to eits. whether that could have been obtained without the use of those eit, is something that is unknowable. dianne fi

it's leading a lot of people to ask exactly who is john brennan?iser and now as the head of the cia. >> he is one of the hardest working public servants i've ever seen. i'm not sure he's slept in four years. >> reporter: john brennan has been part of the government's national security apparatus his entire career. the new jersey native joined the cia as an analyst in 1980, just three years out of college. since then, he's held positions throughout the agency. he gave briefings to president clinton in the mid-'90s, serveas chief of station in the middle east and was deputy director of the agency under president george w. bush. now the cia director is under the spotlight for his defiant reaction to a newly released report which slams the agency for torturing terror detainees during those bush years. he says it's unknowable if enhanced interrogation techniques directly caused detainees to offer useful intelligence, but there was useful intelligence. >> it is our considered view that the detainees who were subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques

director john brennan be the lead public face of the response. and brennan obviously has a much different audience to appeal to than obama does. obama hasn't been very vocal on this all week, but brennan gave this speech, i think maybe the firstever live press conference from c.i.a. headquarters. and so that's been really striking. there is, this will shake out over weeks, months, and years. there is a lot in this report. i mean, there are details that those of us who have covered this for years had no idea about and there is a lot of really compelling reading about just how the program was created, the chaos that was going on in that period. they had no clue what they were doing. gwen: money that changed hands, outside of government to keep it going. i wonder, doyle, if this is anything new under the sun, maybe i have been watching too many "home land" but i do wonder sometimes if we make a big dust-up, say this is terrible, but some version of it is still going on. we keep people with drones. a e do have a big -- it is peculiarityity that we hav

the battle over the use of harsh techniques is escalating at director john brennan holds an unprecedentede at agency headquarters defending the techniques as producing useful intelligence. brennan calls it unknowable. whether that information could have been obtained without the harsh interrogation. while he would not call it torture, he did not use the word torture, brennan admitted some officers used techniques that went beyond what was legally authorized. >> a number of cases, agency officers used interrogation techniques that had not been authorized, were abhorrent and rightly should be repudiated by all. the detainees subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques provided information that was useful and used in the ultimate operation to go against osama bin laden. i'm not going to attribute that to the use. >> top bush administration officials fighting a firestorm by the senate 500-page torture report. bush-era lieutenant michael mukasey said it did not violate the law. michael hayden argued that rectal rehydration was not an interrogation technique at all. >> jake, i'm not a doctor

i do think, i know john brennan, i respect john brennan, i think he stood up in a big way this week deserves credit for that. on the other hand i think as a general rule it probably would be good idea in the future to have leaders of the cia come from outside of the cia just as we have civilian always in charge of the pentagon. >> schieffer: do you think john brennan should resign? >> i don't think he should resign. the president has conany dense in him. he stepped up in my mind there's very important thing he said goes to your first question about, does it work. for years we've been hearing it works, we're still hearing it from the apologists this week, vice president cheney said it again this morning. john brennan and cia official position it's unknowable whether it works. and that i think is a big change and really speaks volumes to the effectiveness. >> schieffer: thank you. we'll have to end it there. we'll hear from the chairman of the house intelligence committee, mike rogers, later in the broadcast. we'll talk about the other big story topic of conversation race in america. i have a

>> i think on the margin it is helped john brennan. me just say having worked with him when i was in the white house, i know he was an extraordinarily capable individual effective as the president's counterterrorism adviser and the c.i.a. director. i simply disagree with his conclusions that the techniques were necessary. i think the techniques themselves were torture, whether they were authorized by the justice department or not. what i think director brennan demonstrated was his intense desire to move on. that he wishes this weren't still a topic of conversation. because it undermines morale at the c.i.a. and puts into question the ethics of a whole generation of c.i.a. officers. with whom brennan worked. but i think it's incredibly important, that we need to open this chapter in history and make it clear what happened, so that these kinds of activities aren't repeated. i think the senate report is filled with details that demonstrate that eits, enhanced interrogation techniques did not work, were not necessarily and that most if not

never again. >> that was cia director john brennan thursday, saying the u.s.hing in its power to prevent another 9/11 from happening again here in america. the promise coming days after a controversial cia report was released detailing the enhanced interrogation tactics that the u.s. used to get information from terror suspects. my next guest says it should have never been released. joining me now, don arias. his younger brother, adam, was killed in the world trade center attacks. thank you very much for being here, don, and our condolences on the loss of your brother adam who was on the 84th floor of tower 2 on 9/11, 2001. your reaction first to the report being released now at a time when the homeland security department, the pentagon, and others have said it will potentially endanger the lives of american security personnel. >> it's unfathomable for me. i just don't understand it, megyn. the 2,976 americans that are dead, yet we obsess over the treatment of 24r killers. you know, the spirit of national masochism that we're going through with this administra

mike viqueira has more. >> reporter: john brennan has been hit by outrage and calls for accountabilityhe took a rare and dramatic step. a press conference at cia headquarters. he wanted to answer the critics and shore up moral at a agency under siege. yes, some interrogations at times went too far. >> i consider them abhorrent and i will leave to others how they might want to label those activities, but for me it was something that is certainly regrettable. >> reporter: but he disputes a major finding of the senate report, that the information obtained from some of the so-called enhanced interrogation techniques yielded no actionable information. >> there was very useful valuable intelligence that was obtained from individuals who had been subjected to eit's. >> reporter: but would have interrogators learned the same information if prisoner's weren't subject to the same methods. >> there is no way if -- to know whether or not some information that was obtained from an individual who had been subjected at some point during his confinement could have been obtained through other means. it

here's cia director john brennan. >> there were no easy answers.hatever your views are on eits, our nation and in particular this agency did a lot of things right during this difficult time to keep this country strong and secure. >> brennan has acknowledged that some officers used interrogation techniques that had not been authorized and that some officers were not held accountable. but the biggest point of contention is whether eits were effective. keep in mind that former cia officials have gone on the record saying that relationship-building techniques with detainees were not working and it was well-known that detainees had gotten al qaeda camps. still, the senate intelligence report says that critical information could have been obtained without enhanced six former cia directors and deputy directors dispute that. and here's what the current cia director says. >> there was useful intelligence, very useful, valuable intelligence that was obtained from individuals who had been at some point subjected to eits. whether that could have been obtained

the study proved interrogation did not lead to his chapter referencing the page number. >> john brennan stopped short of using the word "torture." saying the u.s. keeps. the world strong president obama condemned techniques like waterboarding and sleep deprivation which according to him, any reasonable person would consider torture. >> to nigeria. the country held primary elections on thursday. in a run up to the presidential poll. that will pit the former military ruler against goodluck jonathan. held against a backdrop of economic was an security fears tied to violence by islamic militants. >> is this the right man to bring back our girls? running on a ticket to read nigeria of boko haram and return schoolgirls to their families, former military ruler won nigeria's primary. he will face good luck jonathan in february. >> it is a mark of confidence to carry the torch and rescue our country from those who have led us into the current state of affairs. >> the race is expected to be nigeria's tightest since the end of military rule in nigeria's most populous country. muhammadu buhari came

. >> reporter: director john brennan disputed a key finding in the senate intelligence committee report, that the enhanced interrogation program did not provide substantive leads in the decade-long hunt for the al qaeda leader and his compound in pakistan. >> there was information obtained subsequent to the application of eits from detainees that was useful in the bin laden operation. >> reporter: brennan offered a more nuanced assessment of the program and the waterboarding of 9/11 operatives and the information they provided. >> the cause and effect relationship between the use of eits and useful information subsequently provided by the detainee is in my view unknowable. >> reporter: and he echoed the sentiment that the report the a fundamental flaw because they were questioned. >> you lose the opportunity to really understand what was taking place at the time. >> reporter: the live news conference here at cia headquarters is unprecedented and reflects the impact of the democratic-led senate report on the agency and its mission. >> this is a feature, i think, of our past and one that

democrats who are angry about this report and calling for the administration to fire cia director john brennana oo the president needs to purge his administration of individuals who ran this program. >> it seems for now the administration is backing brennan p. >> doik lieu ziug luzader life m dc. dick cheney saying senate democrats have it browrong withe cia report and they didn't interview the right people. >> i think it is a terrible piece of work basically. i think it is deeply flawed. they didn't bother to interview key people involved in the program. i think it is sort of a classic example that you see too of oh ten washed where a group of politicians get together and serve professionals and us. we have seen it happen before. i can remember iran contra. what happened was we asked the agency to go to take steps and put in place programs that were designed to catch the bastards that killed 3,000 of us on 9-11 and make sure it didn't happen again. that's exactly what they did. they deserve a lot of credit not condemnation they received from the senate democrats. >> the democrats criticized t

bill: if you saw john brennan's statement. was long and lengthy, and he argued much like mike hayden did yesterday that they are still gaining information from the interrogation that took place 10 years ago. the other point hayden talked about, you alluded to it how the agency has kept us safe and that, too, does not satisfy washington. listen and react. >> now that we made everyone feel more comfortable. they stopped complaining we are not doing enough to keep them safe, now since we made them people safe again, they start complaining we did too much. bill: do you see that as the direction for this debate? >> i think general hayden is absolutely right. you have a situation where as i said there are people that just blow with the political winds. we have to have people with the courage of their convictions, people with steel in the spine, people who will lead us and do the right thing even if it may cause them to be criticized publicly. you have got the white house right now. if the president wanted to do the right thing he wo

director john brennan, some interrogations at times went too far. >> i will leave to others how they might want to label those activities, but for me, it was something that is certainly regrettable. >> brennan disputes a major finding of the report that the information obtained from some of the so-called enhanced interrogation techniques yield would no actionable information. >> there was useful intelligence, very useful, valuable intelligence that was obtained from individuals who had been at some point subjected to e.i.t.'s. >> would in a interrogators lead the same information if not subjected to techniques. he stopped that short of claiming the techniques were essential. >> there is no way to know whether or not some information obtained from an individual who had been subjected at some point during his confinement could have been obtained through other means. >> the c.i.a. is hit with harsh criticism. mark udall: >> director brennan and the c.i.a. today are continuing to willfully provide interactive information and misrepresent the effaces of torture. in other words, the c.i.a.

but what i'm especially troubled by is john brennan, on thursday, really opened the door to the

empathy ome degree of for john brennan in that respect. that what he did is that he said the agency was charged with a mission to gather information and protect america, and that is what they did. his work at upports his agency, as do i, quite frankly. he admitted that in certain instances, the agency -- agents went beyond the guidance provided by the department of justice. and that was unfortunate and should not have happened. and this should be accountability. i think that, in some of these cases, if not most of the cases, there was some accountability put in place. it is a tough chapter and i one of the lessons from this is that, yyou know, in a time of war, there is extreme pressure. people sometimes do things that they wouldn't otherwise do. and it is very, very important even though d that you may give strong guidance about what is lawful and can be done, sometimes people go beyond that guidance. think it happens, i is appropriate to understand what happens after the accountability, and that we do things that we can to ensure it does

cia director john brennan speaking out in a staunch defense of his agency in the wake of the torture report. he insisted that enhanced interrogation techniques, in his words, valuable information. he said some of the actions were unauthorized and abhorrent and admitted the cia sometimes exceeded the legal authority during interrogations. he spoke to the nation and the world in a live address from cia headquarters and he began by recalling the horrible moments by 9/11 where planes ran into buildings and america changed forever. the plane in new york and then in shanksville, pennsylvania. and then he spoke of the heroism of the embattled cia agents. >> the men and women in our counter terrorism center stayed at their posts despite the danger. they worked through that day and that night and the following days an the following nights to piece together the clues as to what plans were under way to carry out yet more atacts. >> barbara starr is "outfront" tonight at the pentagon. those are the strongest words from the cia director on this torture report and frankly, i thought in some ways,

that was john brennan defending his agency post-september 11th use of so-called enhance interrogation techniques in the wake of a senate intelligence committee report released this week accusing the cia of torturing detainees and lying about its effectiveness. roundly criticized by former top officials of the spy agency, none of whom were interviewed by the committee before its release. is the 6,000-page document anything more than partisan second guessing? let's ask wall street journalist and deputy and dorothy and foreign affairs columnist bret stevens. so, dorothy, we've been editorially very critical of the report and we published the opposition from the former cia officials. get that on the record. but there's an argument out there whatever you think of the report, this is somehow good for democratic accountability because it gets out in the public what the cia was doing. do you agree with that? >> paul, it's as good as any expression of pathological sanctimoniousness that has characterized every attitude towards every effort america has taken to defend itself. now, this is a lon

. >> reporter: democrats behind the reporter now questioning the current cia director, john brennan. >> you're comfortable with him running the cia? >> not at this point. john brennan on thursday really opened the door to the possibility of torture being used again. >> it probably would be a good idea in the future to have leaders of the cia come from outside of the cia. >> reporter: on that unprecedented news conference that we saw at the cia last week, john brennan said, yes, there were some agents who went too far, but, angie, he stopped short of calling any of that torture. >> support and pushback for this program. we'll continue to hear it for sure. tracie potts on capitol hill, thanks. >>> well, we want to get down to business now with cnbc's landon dowdy. good morning, landon. >> good morning, angie. stock futures pointing higher after last week was the worst so far this year. the dow down more than 300 points on friday. attention will remain on falling oil prices and the fed meeting. the senate passed the $1.1 trillion spending bill that cleared the house last week. the gover

director, john brennan. confuse those allegiances even more, when brennan took the microphone today, he soinded more like dick cheney than barack obama. >> it was 8:46 a.m. on the porning of september 11, 2001 when the north tower of the world trade center in new york city was struck by an aircraft commandeered by al-qaida terrorists. our nation cried and it prayed. and in our pain, we pledged to come together adds one as do what i e it could to prevent osama bin laden from carrying out another attack against our beautiful country. >> in a limited number of cases, agents used techniques that were not authorized and rightly should be repudiated by all. and woe fell short when it came to holding some officers accountable. brennan refused toe call those techniques torture. and he rejected they did not produce any actionable intelligence. >> detainees who were subjected to eits, subsequently provided information that our experts found to be useful. in the cause and effect relationship between the application of

ask you about upcoming news conference in next hour with cia director john brennan. we assume he will respond to the senate intelligence's committee report for the allegations. world leaders calling for accountability and in some cases of prosecution and cia and other top officials and joe, the administration had to know those conversations were going to be sparked by this report. >> yeah. i think that is one of the reasons when barack obama became president, almost from the get-go said that he, he wasn't going to, you know, come in and punish people on this wasn't going to pursue it. and i think actually what this tells me is that just shows actually how the president has actually lost a little bit of his grip on his own party and on, and on the senate. with the postelection because, you know, now that we don't have the senate, democrats don't have the senate, and they don't, he is not going to be i believe a to do a whole lot for them, they will go through with things like this. by the way, this was a bipartisan report. the vote to release this was 11-3. as many re

one lawmaker calling director john brennan and his agency liars.y of congressional oversight. this of course in the wake of the scathing senate report on c.i.a. torture tactics. >> meanwhile, the justice department ruling out any new investigations or prosecutions, they say, involving the spy agency. as former vice president dick cheney and other bush-era officials vehemently defend the interrogation tactics. >> the white house is steering clear of the two big questions coming out of the torture report -- should c.i.a. officials be prosecuted for the harsh interrogations and did the interrogation program save lives? the white house just won't say. with the debate raging over the fallout of the torture report, the white house is staying on the sidelines. press secretary josh earnest refused to weigh in on whether c.i.a. officials

. >> john brennan is certainly in the bush administration as well. >> that's right. but i don't think it's fair at all to describe him as an architect. >> you don't see any contradictions with him endorsing the policies the president is attacking and now serve in two -- >> the president of the united states has complete confidence in the professionalism of these individuals. he's got complete confidence that these two individuals who serve in important leadership positions on his national security team are following the law and doing everything that is necessary to protect the american people. the president is pleased with their service. >> ed henry joins us live. ed, it looks like you got a survey sound bite response to your questioning. >> greta, what i think is interesting is that the focus yesterday was on the bush administration, rightly so. because these policies played out back then. but today we saw this president's leadership come under scrutiny, not just at the white house briefing but surprisingly at a democrat in mark udall of colorado just lost his re-el

. >> john brennan expected to respond this afternoon. any idea at this point what he's going to say? >> so far, john brennan has continued to defend the interrogation program, saying it wasn't torture, and it did lead to actionable intelligence. the statement released said our review indicates interrogations of detainees on whom these tactics were used did produce intelligence that helped thwart attack plans, capture terrorists and save lives. i think you'll hear him make a similar case. what's been striking is that the president and john brennan have disagreed so starkly on this point. president obama making the complete opposite point. and essentially saying that he supports what the intelligence report found, which is that these interrogation tactics didn't lead to actionable intelligence and they did, in fact, amount to torture. this is really the first time we're seeing this type of split between the president and the cia director. the two have a very strong relationship. the question is how will that impact their relationship movin

the senate report says enhanced interrogation -- here's cia director john brennan. >> the detention and interrogation program produced useful intelligence that helped the united states thwart attack plans and save lives. >> senator, the three cia directors who oversaw this program say it was central to foiling terror plots and helping to capture al qaeda leaders. >> the problem with there's a trick in the way they say it. they describe the interrogation program but they don't distinguish between the enhanced interrogation techniques and the rest of the program. if you look at the information we had on the courier that took us to osama bin laden, we had four sources and all four sources had the information they knew to attract this guy before they were exposed to enhanced interrogation techniques. >> karl? >> it's not true. al kuwaiti, the courier, was identified as a low level operative. it was only after enhanced interrogation techniques were used on al balachi, he's the first guy to say he's osama bin laden's courier. that happened only after enhanced interrogation. khalid shaikh moha

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>> the head of the c.i.a., john brennan, is certainly coming under fire. ng him a liar, demanding his resignation. brennan not backing down, agreeing to meet with the media and take questions about the agency's tactics, we'll cover it let's get to the white house and see what their posture is. we have our senior correspondent, jim acosta. >> good morning, chris. that's right. the white house is steering clear this morning of the two big questions coming out of the report -- should c.i.a. officials be prosecuted for the harsh interrogations? and did those interrogations even work? the white house just won't say. with the debate raging over the fallout of the torture report, the white house is staying on the sidelines. press secretary josh earnest refused to weigh in on whether c.i.a. officials should be tried for interrogation tactics the president himself has described as torture. >> do those details warrant going back and reexamining whether people should be prosecuted? >> decisions about prosecution are made by career federal prosecutors at the department

. >> the president nominated john brennan to be his cia director. >> yes. >> john brennan -- >> nailedt. >> no further questions. john brennan, the president's cia director, has said that this program, these harsh interrogations, what the president has called torture, provided valuable and unique intelligence that helped save lives. a point bla-blank question. does the president agree that this program saved lives? >> john, this is the thing. the president has been very clear about what he believes about these programs. >> he hasn't been clear on this question. has he? >> he has been clear about the most important question. the most important question -- >> did it save lives? >> the most important question is should we have done it. the answer to that question is no. the president does not believe that the use of enhanced interrogation techniques was good for our national security he does not believe it was good for our moral authority. he believes it undermined our moral authority. that's why he banned it. the other thing the president has been clear about, and he talked about this at

john mccain. see some merit in the report. first of all, we had cia director brennanntradicting udall said look, we didn't lie about anything to anybody. we did get actionable intelligence using these he or harsh measures, we are not going to do in anymore. do you know who is lying, senator, do you personally know? >> i know that that kind of treatment does not get accurate intelligence information. i know that. >> let me stop you though. i was told directly by three former cia directors they told me. this i talked to them. they told me they did get it it they did. and you say they don't. so i'm confused. my viewers are confused. you know, come on. first of all, let me say a word about waterboarding, it began with the spanish inquisition is. after world war ii they sentenced japanese to death who had waterboarded our american prisoners. had no doubt about exquisite kind of torture that is for mr. brennan we do things wrong. this is really wrong. so, have no doubt about the exquit sit form of torture that waterboarding is the second thing about, bill, and this is a fac

both as acting director and then as deputy director when john brennan showed up. part of that i asked for the history. >> rose: is there something called the panetta review. >> yes. >> rose: what is that. >> i don't know i never seen it but here's my understanding of it. so it was director panetta who agreed to senator feinstein's request that she be given unprecedented access to agency materials to do this report. he put a condition on that which was that you had to look at this stuff in cia spaces. you couldn't take it back to senate spaces. because she was, because we were giving them millions and millions of documents to look at, he asked for an inventory to be done of those documents. and so a group of officers undertook the task of inventorying that information and summarizing that information. the panetta review i'm told is just that, an inventory and a summary of the information that the committee had access to. i never seen it, i don't know what it says. so i can't go much further than that. >> rose: there is the report with internal cia memo from july 20

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