but i just have to say. >> my name is bill stanton. you can call me bill. >> fine.as trying to give you your title. but i'll call you whatever you want to call me. but in this case i'll have to call you wrong there are communities across the country where people do not have a bad relationship with the police and they want that relationship with the police. the reason that we have had these protesters is because people want better policing. part of the challenge that we have here is this idea that police are so thin skinned that if someone says a bad thing about them they're going to stop doing their job. i'm from a law enforcement family. police are called worse than racist every single day on their job, and they do their job. so i think it's an insult to law enforcement to sit up here and pretend that our law enforcement does not support the first amendment, does not support the right to protest can't be criticized. and if so, they're going let people die in our streets? that is wrong to say about law enforcement, sir, and i'll be the first to tell you that. >> i'm

bring in bill stanton, former nypd on the phone with us. bill, what do you think right now the police are doing with david sweat? are they interrogating him? are they trying -- what's going on, do you think? >> i think do everything by the books, read him his rights, charge him with the appropriate crimes but eventually, i do believe they will negotiate some type of deal where he will give everything up. what this is, this is a multimillion dollar lesson in human fallibilities, human factor. complacen complacency, we make mistakes in complacency and we see the prison system and we know that there is drugs. we know that cell phones are smuggled in. we know that there is sex and non-consensual sex going on in these prisons. we tend not to think about it. but this does happen. all this does is highlight what happens, you know, daily, in prisons around the country. not the majority, the minority. happen because of human failings. >> does this speak to sort of an overhaul of our prison culture? >> oh, it -- this is the thing of it, talk about it

bill stanton, former nypd officer and private investigators. we don't know if they have food money. you heard the sheriff. his gut is they are together. they are in that area near the prison. which is an isolated area. what do you think? >> i think this is a fascinating case to study after they are apprehended. i think this has been planned on for months if not longer. i look at this as two phases. first phase, get oustt of the prison. it would be remiss to think they haven't planned to the meticulous every i dotted and t crossed what they would do after they escaped. >> you think they planned this for months or years? >> possibly yes. >> the nature of this escape is so precise. >> and i think they are separated, because everybody is looking for two. count on these guys looking nothing like they look in these pictures. these guys are vermin they are filth, but they are smart. they probably may be wearing wigs costumes. out of the country or hiding in place. >> interesting you think that they may be separated, which is an interesting angle to this. i'm curious what you think about wh

anthony gangy, a former corrections officer, who spent a lot of time working inside prison and bill stanton, a former nypd officer. anthony, let me start with you. tools struggled to a prison in hamburger meat or it could have been cell phones or cash. we understand that sources are saying it probably was tools. does that surprise you? >> yes. because there's major security measures for anything that comes inside the facility. once it gets inside and goes through a serious of checks it could go through multiple hands before it makes it to that honor block. there's a bunch of hands that it could have made it through before it gets to that -- >> so what's the change? >> the hamburger meat leaves the kitchen or leaves the freezer, which opens up a whole another -- how many people at the least, would have touched that food? >> there's the perceived chain and then there's the actual chain, as we've seen with the tsa, as we're hearing that the prison guards really were supposed to do bed checks, but maybe they didn't. were supposed to be in the prison tower, but maybe they didn't. things get mone

joining me now is bill stanton, an expert in safety and security and a former officer with the nypd. you think they were able to pull it off? >> very cinematic. i show you the history not as nearly romantic. first, the prison break. now more importantly, what do they do afterwards? >> so when they get out, do you think they stay together or they separate? they have had good luck working together to this point. >> the most factor is finding the inside man or woman because they're the key to this whole thing. what information did they do the money, the financing, the routes, where are they going across the country or staying in america? mexico perhaps. where are they they? >> so the governor said the tunneling of this nature would have taken several days. would have taken nights to do and figure out. how could they have gone unnoticed for such a long period of time? >> well it's going to be interesting to see the patterns of the prison guards but once again we could look at that once they're apprehended. right now, i'm sure they're looking at like the electronic information, you know,

i want to bring in bill stanton. it's nice to see you in person once again. guards sometimes interact with the prisoners. >> it's common practice to -- i don't want to say curry favor because that's not the phrase that describes it's appropriately. but it's a very dangerous institution and they try to get some level of trust from these individuals because they have provided information in the past that has led to the break up of fights, stabbings and gang activity in the prison. >> is it surprise to you at all that there would be a lax relationship between the prison guard and matt and sweat? >> well, mow notny makes us all complacent. they gave them a little extra favor. do i think he's explicitly knowing, i'm going to help these guys break out, until i hear more, i'm going to say no right now. they got favor from as many guards and people as they could to effect their escape. >> obviously it worked very well for them because they're still on the run. when we talk about a gene palmer, here's a guy who burned the artwork that was given to him and the trade th

tropical depression bill is moving north across that state with the threat of more flooding and more misery, for people still reeling from may. stephanie stanton is live there. stephanie. >> we're an hour north of houston, although the rain did stop for now we see sporadic raining, and it's nowhere near the devastation of three weeks ago. after tropical depression bill made an unwelcome visit even law enforcement got stuck in a ditch. an afternoon flash flood warning was the latest blow to a town that saw a wave of storms passing through the area. the tres palasos creek that runs through el campo is normally dry. >> we experienced in the last few hours nine and a half inches of rain in that short period of time. >> at least a foof that the higher. the -- foot and a half higher. >> eugene a lifelong resident of el campo rushed to his daughter's house to evacuate her from the rising waters. >> did they have to get out quickly? >> yes. when i got here i told my son-in-law look at my running boards on my truck. they plan get the clothes and about ten minutes later i said now look at the water. he said oh gosh. >> the flood wawshts floodwaters narr