barry goldwater was stirred. he was scary to a lot of people people in and the johnson campaign went to town on that. ronald reagan by contrast he's a friendly guy and he tells jokes and smiles. ronald reagan is conservatism with a friendly face. ..

gore: and goldwater has dramatized it. pres. johnson: that's right. sen. gore: if we get licked on this, it's going to be bad. clint will do what you want him to do. this came about -- i got into leadership with this thing because he was sick in the hospital and i thought the issue had to be pressed. when he came back, i expected him to take over, but clint is not well. he requested that i continue and present the amendment. somebody had to speak for three and a half hours otherwise it was going to be read out. i stepped in and did it. will you assign somebody to look at this amendment? if you can say to clint that this is ok with you, i think it will give us maybe two votes over there. pres. johnson: what you better do if you're going to do something like that is let me get mike on it and you better seek his advice on it. you might say, i'm going to call for the two of us and ask what their opinion is because i sure don't want the candidate to say the president called up and modified it up and chew away our victory by compromise. i could do that unless th

before goldwater's insurgency there had to be national review magazine. that's a fair enough summation of a mainstream history of the rise of mainstream conservatism. and to draw voters of both parties that way. the process culminated in the reagan revolution. reagan both lauded and befriend befriended buckley. and yet in 2013 when a conservative u.s. supreme court struck down what "the new york times" call the heart of the voting acts in 1965, justice robert's opinion never mentioned the whilt race. never pointed to violence and anarchy enshoeuing from the black opinion. every member of the court's conservative majority owes his seat to the success of the political movement that buckley helped found in if 189950s. but neither of those judges nor anybody else today calls martin luther king jr. a rabble rousing dem demagogue, as buckley did. nor would conservative candidates, judges, activists and supporters today suggest as buckley did in why the south must prevail and elsewhere, whenever they will result from democratic oppression, then society must empo

that is contributed to goldwater, buckley and reagan and finally in the summing up these 14 liters i'm going to give you a quote from ronald reagan that he set himself to think it could be said of all 14. he once said i never thought of myself as a great man can adjust a man committed to great ideas. i've always believed that individuals should take priority over the state. history has taught me that this is what sets america apart. so there you have it. 14 liters, jefferson to reagan. i want to thank you all for letting me come today. and if we've got time we will have a few questions. [applause] >> as long as i know there's nothing biblically about 14. seven is a member so maybe there is something difficult. but as i went through there was something that i thought about it and took out and then there were - as i went through there were couples i didn't know so much about and he deserves to be in there so somehow it just wound up as 14. but i didn't start off by saying i've got to find 14. >> for those that didn't quite make the cut and didn't quite get into that. >> i started on the

barry goldwater. what do your member about the party, and what you saw? gov. chafee: i was 11 years old in 1964. the cow palace is still there. barry goldwater. what i remember is that after the nomination was over and very -- barry goldwater had secured the nomination, the vanquished nelson rockefeller got up to made a talk, which is usually a unifying moment, the loser gets up and everybody cheers. it was so different. people started billing. -- booing. they shook the rafters of the cow palace. they had no room for a different point of view. it was almost a precursor to what we are seeing today with the tea party, no room for independent thinking. i saw it back in 1964. it was about 15 minutes, then it quieted down and he got up to the microphone to talk again and it would start again. as soon as he opened his mouth -- something to see it as an 11-year-old. >> why the university? gov. chafee: it was one of the best expanses of my life, good teachers, majored in classics, terrific teachers, very luck

barry goldwater was stern. barry goldwater lectured. barry goldwater was scary to a lot of people to. and the johnson campaign went to town on that. reagan, by contrast, reagan's this friendly guy, reagan's this likable guy. reagan tells jokes reagan smilings. reagan is conservativism with a friendly face. reagan, in fact, reagan was that rare, i'm going to say almost you meaning in american experience -- unique in american experience example of an optimistic conservative. reagan said again and again and he thoroughly believed that america is shining city on a hill, and it's going to get more shining as time goes on. again and again including op his tombstone, his epitaph. reagan said that america's best days are ahead. now, for somebody to say that in the 1970s, late 1970s when he's running for president after the 1960s and the 1970s which between the vietnam war the riots of the 1960s watergate, the stagflation of the 1970s it wasn't the most natural thing. remember jimmy carter and the so-called malaise speech where he says we've got

barry goldwater was stern lectured caught scary to a lot of people.and the johnson campaign went to town on that. reagan, by contrast this friendly guy some this likable guy tells jokes, smiles is conservatism with a friendly face. in fact, reagan was that rare almost unique in american experience example of an optimistic conservative. reagan said again and again he formed his belief that america is the shining city on a hill and will get more shining as time goes on. again and again. he put it on his tombstone. america's best days are ahead. for somebody to say that in the late 1970s was running for president between the vietnam war for the rise of the 1960s, watergate it wasn't the most natural thing. remember jimmy carter. we have these problems. america's best days are ahead. here is how the republican candidate can win. take that conservative message and put a smile on it. be friendly. the appealing. i'm just thinking that if ted cruz's get have a character transplant he's your your guy. i will stop there and take questions or objections. there a

before goldwater's insurgency there had to be national review magazine. that's a fair enough summation of a mainstream history of the rise of mainstream conservatism. and to draw voters of both parties that way. the process culminated in the reagan revolution. reagan both lauded and befriend befriended buckley. and yet in 2013 when a conservative u.s. supreme court struck down what "the new york times" call the heart of the voting acts in 1965, justice robert's opinion never mentioned the whilt race. never pointed to violence and anarchy enshoeuing from the black opinion. every member of the court's conservative majority owes his seat to the success of the political movement that buckley helped found in if 189950s. but neither of those judges nor anybody else today calls martin luther king jr. a rabble rousing dem demagogue, as buckley did. nor would conservative candidates, judges, activists and supporters today suggest as buckley did in why the south must prevail and elsewhere, whenever they will result from democratic oppression, then society must empo

speech in support of goldwater's candidacy. and he gave a famous speech, called the time of choosing. this is the beginning of the modern conservative concern for the founding fathers, because if you go back and listen to that speech, it is on youtube. you see a very powerful idea and which reagan is saying that the founding fathers had certain principles, we have departed and now we are heading toward ruin. goldwater lost, but reagan was a shining star and with the assent of ronald reagan came the assent of the founding fathers. and when he came to office, the conservative up with the founding fathers was more or less complete. alexander heffner: you are telling us that this was a second set of sons of liberty. david sehat: yes. alexander heffner: and they were rebelling against roosevelt. david sehat: exactly. alexander heffner: how have your peers responded to this is far -- thus far? david sehat: well, they have not responded yet. alexander heffner: i ask because i had tom foster on who also wrote a book that in a sense hum

if you recall those does that adjust your view of barry goldwater's role? >> these are not pure types. there is no such thing as being an unallied cheerleader. it doesn't change my mind about him but what changed my mind is the tussle with casey. then he became a true overseer. but i grant you your example there. >> and to complete the record of the story, can you explain to people what we now know about the source of the "new york times" leak that was not you? >> well, actually, russell tice had already admitted he was one of the sources. as i understand from reading -- i believe james risen has said there was about a dozen sources. but none of the other ones have been revealed. and risen took the unusual step of saying publicly on a number of occasions that it wasn't the five of us who were targeted and that he didn't know any of us and had not received information from us. >> who was this person who came forward? >> russell tice. >> where did he work? >> he was a contractor at an nro ground station and if i want to depress you more, the satellites are co

goldwater was a three-star general in the air force. he had brought experience as a bomber pilot. we have a rising generation of congress and and senators who have worked in iraq and afghanistan. hopefully, we will see them come together in a consensus and bring the next 80's to bear, but congress will have to move beyond hyper pt -- bring that expertise to bear b congress will have to move behind hyper partisanshipip. >> i think we could use authorization of military force. vago: that went really well on the hill in terms of debate. >> we need members of the committees to be part of the larger debate. >> if i could comment on that, it has to be an informed congress. yes, current tactical and operational experience in a given theater against a given opponent, where you have the global perspective and the education, that gave people and informed world view that i d't think a lot of members of congress today have. attention spans are shorter. it has to be a more informed discussion. vago: is russia the leading threat to the united states? >>hey have nuclear weapons. we have to weigh

least at home, what are the signs to them that commonweal is breaking apart, things like barry goldwater's candidacy? is exclusively related to the political parties or is there something broader that suggests to them that the whole thing is going to topple? >> good question. there's a great moment i was delighted to discover where in 1968 but we invite as norman mailer to the firing line, this television show 0 he had that was really well you'd and sort of problem up and elevated him to another status higher up on the celebrity status and he has norman mailer on right after he writes this incredible book called army of the night which tells the firsthand account norman mailer is the star of the book, as you was for net most of the book the story of a march from the lincoln memorial to the pentagon, sort of this anti-war march and when they get to the pentagon, they save the corridors of the pentagon and destroy america's war machine. they all know they are not going to do this but this is the stated goal and when the protesters got there they read going to levitate the pentagon and get ri

they know very goldwater opposed the civil rights act of 1964. he felt parts of it were unconstitutional. great supporting segregation in the south, they cited state rights as a justification for keeping blacks from the voting booth and the dinner table. as you know, i am an ardent believer in the 10th amendment which was ratified in 1791 as part of the bill of rights. the 10th amendment says the powers not delegated to the united states by the constitution nor prohibited by the state reserve for the states respectively for the individual. i know that state governments are more accountable to you than the federal government. but i'm also an ardent believer in the 14 amendment, which says that no state shall the any person in its jurisdiction the equal protection of the law. there has been and will continue to be an important and legitimate role for the federal government in enforcing civil rights. too often we republicans, me included, have emphasized our message on the 10th amendment but not our message on the 14. an amendment that bears remindi

the silence was broken by barry goldwater who set said i don't want to know what they got on me. senior members of the senate intimidated by the very agencies we were setting up to investigate. >> if we were not everywhere have a hard time to going. on your 1st. we did believe that to get reform it was important not just at the rise but to get hard evidence. that really helped. we should not only doctor king but many, many less well-known people were abused and injured and committed suicide and so forth. but to make credible the need for fundamental reform. >> well, and most controversial area that we investigated, the assassination attempt, to a person members and staff, the effort was not to pin blame. the effort was to find out systematically how that decision was made. and we spent hours asking questions to my hearings, secret hearings where the people involved in the eisenhower and kennedy administration's who made the decision, who decides in our government to kill another foreign leader. and it wasn't pin the tail on the donkey. it was an inquiry that was systemic. how doe

jonathan butcher surrogates education director for the goldwater institute. his work as appeared in journals such as education next and the georgetown journal of law and public policy. his commentary has appeared nationally in places such as real clear policy, national andnal, townhall.com, newspapers across the country. he is a member of the arizona department of education steering committee for the empowerment he isrship program. and also a senior fellow at the beacon center of tennessee. he previously studied education policy the department of education reform at the university of arkansas and worked with the school choice dem attrition project, the research team that evaluated dr. to voucher programs in washington dc and in milwaukee. prior to that he studied education and family policy here the heritage foundation. he holds a ba in english from furman university and an ma in economics from the diversity of arkansas. last, tim keller who serves of the institute for arizona office managing attorney. he joined as a staff attorney in 2001 and but a good scho

they know that barry goldwater opposed the civil rights act of 1964.lt part of it was unconstitutional. states supporting segregation in the south, they cited states rights as a justification from keeping blacks from the voting booth and the dinner table. as you know, i am an ardent believer in the tenth amendment, which was ratified in 1791 as part of our bill of rights. the tenth amendment says that the power is not delegated to the united states by the constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states or reserved for the states respectively. or the individual. i know that states government are more accountable to you than the federal government. but i'm also an ardent believer in the 14th amendment, which says that no state shall deny any person in its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. there has been and there will continue to be an important and a legitimate role for the federal government in enforcing civil rights. too often we republicans me included, have emphasized our message on the tenth amendment but not our message on the 14th.

blacks know that republican goldwater opposed the civil rights act. states supporting segregation in the south, cited state rights as a justification for keeping blacks from the voting booths and the dinner tables. as you know, i am an ardent believer in the 10th amendment which was ratified in 1791 as part of the bill of rights. the 10th amendment says the powers not delegated to the united states by the constitution nor prohibited by the state reserve for the states respectively for the individual. i know that state governments are more accountable to you then the federal government. but i am also an ardent believer in the 14th amendment, which says that no state shall deny any person in its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. there has been, and there will continue to be, an important and legitimate role for the federal government enforcing civil rights. too often we republicans myself included, have emphasized our message on the 10th amendment, but not our message on the 14th.

like barry goldwater? related to the political parties or broader that will topple?>> there is the great moment i was delighted to discover 1968 buckley invites mailer on to a television show that was will be used to elevate him to another status. and right after he writes this incredible book and it is the story with the antiwar march and then to destroy the american war machine. that this was the stated goal. but mailer writes this incredible book on the firing line with is the great interview. but he asks the question that most middle americans wanted to know at the time. anbar you no enemy of the country? your protesting the government and the war does this make you an enemy? and mailer is flabbergasted. to make the best that possibly could be. but they both shared a love of country. as day protest against america or though war machine, that is where buckley and mailer pullback and in doingÑi so. >> you said something that sparked an idea. talk about their humor he said it is fun to write the book because they are really funny but mailer writes his own obituary a

go back to barry goldwater.ists do you believe barry goldwater is psychologically fit to serve as the president of the united states. they got 1,189 negative responses that said goldwater was like hitler and stalin described him as paranoid unstable dangerous -- >> that was a different time. >> that's what this is about. they'll do this to any republican. he is the leader. this is what they do. >> let me say this. kevin, i want to put this to you. jeffrey is calling it a liberal media thing. i submit this is a media thing. this is vetting candidates the way that real candidates should be vetted if they are running for president. barack obama had his life turned upside down from the time he was a student through the time that he was a presidential candidate. hillary clinton's past is open game. this is treating donald trump, kevin, like a legitimate candidate. >> i think the question on whether it's relevant for some voters. it will be very relevant. for others it is not relevant. two key things. first is that th

i used to be a goldwater girl. was working for goldwater when we were fighting for civil rights, when we went to the south to fight for civil rights. goldwater, if he had been president, they would never have passed civil rights. they are responsible for nafta. they are responsible for taking away wealth. three strikes, you are out. nafta, and wealthier -- welfare. those are the grassroots of the people. mrs. clinton you have to be very careful. you are supposed to want a woman , doesn't mean any woman. i come from a third world country. she reminds me too much of people in a banana republic of third world countries. she -- they are treating her like a queen. the only people that have tony in my country are royalties. mrs. clinton is paying people to hold signs out there for her like, what's his name. trumpeted. -- trump did. my mother was a politician. so many women are politicians. she almost got killed. instead of going out there and talking to people and really knowing people. she wants to mobilize. when she an

i mean, with goldwater in 1964, he brought the republican party into his way of thinking.hat beached his ascendancy in the reagan years. buckley and reagan were very much in lockstep. i think that is interesting because buckley was somebody who was interested in being at the center of things. brian: we have a clip of christopher hitchens appearing on bill buckley's public television show firing line. let's watch this and learn from you the impact of firing line. ♪ >> i don't doubt mr. hitchens that you do not like the american system. i don't think you say conveniently that that which you dislike is exclusively with the republicans. >> we are discussing liberalism. i mentioned george mcgovern. he is not lyndon johnson. say lyndon johnson is a liberal is to stretch it even further. >> anybody who voted for henry wallace and refuses to apologize for it is saying that he was perfectly comfortable with his policies and with his affiliation with stalinism. george mcgovern was a friend of mine who simply declined to apologize for the equivalent of voting for hitler. in 1932. [la

but i think the principle that goldwater is stating is true is that when it comes to liberty we have to have a principled stand point. we can't have a sort of situation where we're willing to compromise on the issues of liberty and freedom. but i think the term "extremism" is probably not the best word, it's certainly not the word that i would have used in that context. >> host: let's go to maplewood new jersey. emanuel is on the phone. good afternoon. >> caller: good afternoon. >> guest: hello. >> caller: yes. i'm here and just been taking in the information from some of the callers and the responses from the time i connected with you and i am only going to make the one comment that i made to the person that answered this phone. there seems to be a complete ignoring of the integrity of fox news, and i'm not particularly surprised that fox news would give this gentleman all the time he needs. and this has nothing to do with stephanopoulos. he should have told people that he had contributed $75,000. that, i think, was not right at all. so it's nothing to do with him. it just is, to me

. >> why that ad if a republican presidential candidate barry goldwater had been elected that the worldwould end. that was the point of that the democrats proclaimed him as unhinged. now you have a knock off of this ad. >> it's not a knockoff it's direct footage of that ad. once you go to a nuclear device now you are talking about apocalyptic. if iran gets nuclear capacity we are looking at the apocalypto. >> guaranteed they will get a nuclear weapon. >> i think it's guaranteed they will get a nuclear weapon with or without a deal. they are not serious about sitting down at the table and we would like to make nice with you. they would not let the inspectors in. they have been chanting death to america. they continued to say they would be a threat to israel and bring israel to dust. >> what if it's president huckabee and no deal means nuclear weapon and a deal would also, i assume nuclear weapon they are going to cheat and not allow the inspection. they would have a nuclear weapon what would president mike huckabee do. >> the answer is they are not going to get a nuclear weapon. you go t

more in the old goldwater direction.in the same way, barack obama has shifted the coalition within the democratic party. it's now a true liberal party. it's like an mcgovernite liberal party. and that means that the next nominee, whoever it is is going to have to pledge allegiance to that ideological agenda. ironically it will be hillary clinton, probably whose husband became president by running away a little bit, from classic democratic party liberalism. >> so looking at it in that context, do you think it's a fair kpar comparison charles? >> no. i think this is a guy who's had a good week and he's shown us as having nothing at all to do with him but is now a little bit cocky about it and wants to write his own history. churchill once said history will be kind to me. i intend to write it. what obama is doing now, he's trying to write it. look. he has always had the ambition of being the anti-reagan. he talked about it. in 2008 he said ronald reagan was historically consequential in a way that a nixon and a clinton was

look the people i work with john tower, barry goldwater.f the smartest people on defense ever. and the fact is is that you spend that time and you learn a whole lot. so i -- i've travelled the world in terms of the first gulf war, i was in the desert with soldiers. i said what do you think. i didn't want to talk to the general, i wanted to talk to the soldier. i can't call my wife i can't have a drink. i'm cold and they tell me they're going to come. i don't know when they're going to come. i got back on the plane and i told all the people i went with. we have no choice we've got to go. >> how do you deal with radical islam in particular isis? >> i said months ago, about a year ago i called senator mccain and john boehner and said we need to support the opposition in syria because assad has to go. i also said we need to get a coalition -- we have to rebuild our alliances. we need a coalition and we need to defeat and degrade and destroy isis. >> wait a minute does that mean maybe boots on the ground? >> i said that. let's get not just us bu

and in addition to that, i was very involved in goldwater nichols which got the services to work togethero they could fight together and really be effective together. so having spent 18 years being in the gulf before the first gulf war with soldiers out in the desert i was in many places around the world. but there's no substitute for working with some of the greatest defense minds in our history. and those are people like stenson tower and sam dunn folks they learned from and worked with them. it was great. >> charles. >> the other thing we learned today, the other news was the defense department announcing in hearings on the hill that we have trained exactly 60 syrians to go after isis. it's not exactly going to be a good fight. >> isis in syria or isis in iraq? >> that's my question. if you're president, do you go after isis? where is your priority? isis in syria, isis in iraq? and what is your strategy depending on which of these approaches you take? do you go through the iraqi government? do you try to train a real force? do you work with the kurds? what would be the kasich policy? >

i mean, with goldwater in 1964 i think bill really successfully purged the fringe element of the far right and brought the republican party into his way of thinking. that beached his ascendancy in the reagan years. buckley and reagan were very much in lockstep. i think that is interesting because buckley was somebody who was interested in being at the center of things. being a joiner and bringing people together. brian: we have a clip of christopher hitchens appearing on bill buckley's public television show, "firing line here co--- -- "firing line." ♪ >> i don't doubt mr. hitchens that you do not like the american system. you despise it. i don't think you say conveniently that that which you dislike is exclusively with the republicans. that is all. >> i never made such allegations. >> we are discussing liberalism. i mentioned george mcgovern. it seems to me that by saying george mcgovern, he is not lyndon johnson. you say -- to say lyndon johnson is a liberal is stretching it. >> anybody who voted for henry wallace and refuses to apologize for it is saying that he was perfectly comf

and we have to understand that barry goldwater in 1964 was against the civil rights act. and our party got painted and rightfully as being against civil rights. and we have to stand up and say, you know we were wrong. but here's what we've done. and my state's a great example of it. when we talk about african-americans having the highest high school graduation rates in america. hispanics have the highest high school graduation rates in america. i mean this is an extraordinary story about how a state has addressed the issue of racial inequality and made it i will suggest to you one of the most equal states in the nation. and we need to be talking about that and reaching into those communities and asking them to take a look at our policies today, the freedom we give you to keep more of what you work for, the freedom to live in a place where your children can graduate from high school. it's the most powerful thing we can give them. >> we are going to come up against heart break in a minute. greg get one in here? >> yeah. both of my parents were democrats who then voted for r

he could lose goldwater like work landslide. i don't know. it depends on lightning in a bottle. you have no idea about these things. carly free arena this is the peril of writing a book, the year before the election and publishing it right in the middle of a surge of a person you dismiss as a non- candidate. i have had to tear eighth view pages out and chew on them a bit because it said don't engage don't respond, don't talk to her, it's she's dangerous. great advice, is that? hillary is following it and carly's anatomy because i write in this book you have no upside in engaging carly and that's why carly is rising in the upholstery chicos right at mrs. clinton every time she's given opportunity. most recently on my show tonight. lindsey graham with whom i never agreed on anything until the republicans in the house in the senate and the president decided to cut the retirement benefits of active duty military of 20 years and lindsey graham and i got together and we helped change that while because it was wrong. it was very very wrong and lindsey graham stands for one thing in my

. >> goldwater. >> yeah might have been. >> right.nd if history is a guide that is maybe not worth repeating. next week's debate if all of them are looking for someone to strike it it could end up being a demolition derby. fun to watch but not exactly the right thing to inspire faith. which is to say does one rotten apple spoil the bunch. >> look what happened leading up. rand paul took a chain saw to the tax code. literally. lindsey graham put a phone in a blender. the new mike huckabee comments. trump going to the border. this is not the republican primary that voters expected or probably want hors d'oeuvreor deserve. i couldn't have possibly scripted the week we are having leading up to the very first debate. i don't think anybody can predict what is going to happen. >> sam what do you think happens in debates after the first one? in terms of just number of people on stage? will it be one debate? two debates as scheduled for august 6th? do you think there will be significant lessons learned. >> depends how the first goes obviously.

in this election year nominate a very left wing candidate the way the republicans did with barry goldwater in 1964. it could happen. then if you get in a three-way race with trump, scott walker and bernie sanders i know some people are going to think this is nuts. but it is not entirely 100% impossible that bernie sanders could be the next president. >> oh i think it is very possible he could be the next president. i think it is very possible he could win the nomination. and to take somewhat of an issue or may i point out, all of the positions that bernie sanders has taken are populous positions. the majority of the country. so when you say that he's going to be moving the democrats to the left aren't we a center-left country? i mean if you look -- polling well when it comes to minimum wage. collective bargaining do something about wall street. citizens united. these all poll in the majority so how is that moving the country to the left. >> it is moving the debate within the democratic party to the left so it is more in sync with the rank and file of the democratic party. as you quite righ

barry goldwater was stirred. he was scary to a lot of people people in and the johnson campaign went to town on that. ronald reagan by contrast he's a friendly guy and he tells jokes and smiles. ronald reagan is conservatism with a friendly face. .. >> it's great to have you here ralph, on c-span. >> guest: thank you. >> host: i'm very hardded to be able to interview on this new book "return to sender." is that an homage to elvis presley. >> host: that's the point these days. >> guest: it's a message that 103 lettered sent to president bush and president obama from 2001 to 2015, were -- with very few exceptions not acknowledged and not answered. and so i thought i'd embarrass myself by putting them all in a book and raise a bigger issue which is the most democratic media is when a person writes a letter to an elected official, like a mayor governor, senator president, can't be censor order not distorted and not to respect it and to try to answer it or even to acknowledge it so that people know it's not going to s

elected president and that he and other republicans were concerned that we were going to have a goldwater-sized landslide defeat if they nominated ronald reagan. reagan went on to win the pr presidency twice in two landslides. >> is donald trump the new ronald reagan? >> ronald reagan was ronald reagan but i have to say i do think that donald trump is tapping into something here that people should be paying attention to. the republican party should be paying attention to. there is a lot of unrest and anger at the republican establishment in washington, feeling that they've elected these folks and then they don't do anything. they don't take tough stands. they campaign on them and then they get there and they just don't do it. he's certainly tapping into that. there's no question, and so did regen in the day. >> you can see that in the polling, at least right now. he's also not ruling out a third-party run if he doesn't get the nomination. would you advise him to do that because obviously the mainstream in your party, they think that clearly would undermine your party's candidate. >> well, i wil

barry goldwater who at least stood for something.n't these carnival barkers. >> i'm sorry you are talking about the most dominate republican congress in multiple generations right now that was elected by the american people. so you cannot give me that to say it is some sort of french thing. >> wait a minute now there is a little bit of gerrymandering going on out there carcarrye carrie. and of course citizens united is changing a lot of things when it comes to election outcomes as i see it. now here is the issue. as this continues to move forward carrie, there has to be a legitimate concern on the part of the republicans. what are we going to do? are we going to embrace this guy? or are we going to try to deep six him? and if we do he is going to run as a third party candidate which could be disastrous. so anywhere you turn isn't he a problem? >> i do agree there is a threat he might run as the third party candidate which gets back to my theory he might actually be on hillary's payroll. she's got the largest payroll. >> that is a goo

then they had goldwater-nichols in 1986, almost 40 years after their creation. i am trying to get dhs to a place where we, and a more collaborative fashion, function in terms of our acquisition decisions and budget decisions. in a more centralized way early in the cycle, earlier in the process. now whenever 13th year, not wait 40 years. that is what our unity of effort initiative is all about. mr. o'keefe: final question right here. ann: my name is ann. i am formerly with the office of inspector general. i have experienced both the dot-mil and dot-gov systems. however, i may be dissenting from the sublime to the ridiculous. you mentioned private sector partners and gateways, and how people tried to intrude upon various gateways. i wondered if dhs has communication with ebay. it appears ebay has numerous attempts at spearfishing, and i myself was a victim of that a couple of days ago. sec. johnson: if we are not, then we probably should be. that is my answer your question. [laughter] mr. o'keefe: on behalf of csis and all of us, thank you much for being with us.

barry goldwater was born in arizona territory at the time. nobody made a beef about that. >> the legal question is quite straightforward. the child of an american citizen born abroad is a natural citizen. my mom was born in wilmington, delaware. >> this is great. a lot of your book has to do with a very powerful theme which is about, and i agree on this completely, the betrayal of the cuban revolution. when i was a kid and castro came to new york after knocking because of batista, he was in pajamas and we rooted like hell for him. he was a democratic successor to a horrible dictatorship and he betrayed all of us. has that got a lot to do with all of your politics? >> well, it certainly has a lot to do with my passion. what i describe in my book is i begin with my family's story. my dad, my great grandparents coming to cuba. my grandfather growing up on a sugar plantation and my dad as a teenager joining with castro and revolution. >> he believed in it in the beginning. >> he did. now, none of the kids knew that castro was a communist. they kn

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i get to sit across the table from barry goldwater john stennis, john tower. while. nunn incredible people. i learned a lot. six years and i got on the budget community and wrote my 1st budget and 89. the vote on my budget is 405 no and 30 yes. what would you think? yeah. so i went back. my. my staff was depressed because they wrote this with me. are you kidding me? we get 29 other people that think we ought to run the country. this is fantastic. we really gathered momentum. in 94 reelected a class of republicans who just did not give with about there own reelection. they didthey did not care about politics. they came to reform welfare and balance the budget. after ten long years i was one of the chief architects of balancing the federal budget the 1st time since man walked on the moon and we have not done it sounds. we pay down the largest amount of publicly held debt and the economy is doing great. i left washington. i was a giant television star on fox news. you remember how great i was i also worked at lehman brothers and traveled all of the country learning a lo

spent 18 years on the armed services committee with the finest defense-minds in the world, barry goldwaterthe great thinkers about national security, and i will never forget by experience before the gulf war, meeting with soldiers out in the desert and understanding the concerns they had about carrying out their mission. >> what are we going to do about america? roll the dice once more on somebody without the right experience? choose from a dynasty because its their turn. another eloquent speaker guaranteed to produce standing ovations, and after that the guarantees fall thin. >> or, can we find someone who actually has the right experience, somebody who actually balanced the federal budget and helped to make a troubled economy boom again and one who dealt with world leaders and one that can insure that america returns to the top? >> my father was a mailman and they called him john the mailman because he was looking out for everybody on that route for 29 years. my parents had a profound impact on my life and the most important message that they gave me was, johnny, make sure the place wher

barry goldwater, while the establishment didn't like him, he was next in line because of what happened. and there was an insurgency there. republicans don't go for insurgent candidates. but this he have every year since ike. so talk about what you saw in that room that is surprising so many people this morning. >> well joe, you're going to see a lot more of this video over course of the next 24 hours as we get it all out. it was a really fascinating experience for me. i learned a huge amount. you know the first thing that i'd say is that the -- it's clear that donald trump is not what some people think which is a summer fling. these people who are supporters are -- they know a lot about him. they've known about him for a long time. this is not someone who just came into their consciousness recently. that is obvious. i heard that one woman talk about wanting to write trump a letter when she was a kid. another woman said she read "the art of the deal" when she was 8 years old on the beach. these people have admired trump's business success for a long time. a lot of him wanted to run in 2

i got to sit across the table from barry goldwater. from john tower these were wow -- sam nunn. i learned a lot and is 18 years. six years on the budget committee and i wrote my first budget in 1989. there was a case budget vote of 135 no. what would you think about that? so i went back, my staff was depressed. they wrote this budget with me. they were really down. are you kidding me? we had 29 other people who thought we ought to run the country. this is fantastic. year after year, john came as we gather momentum. i wanted tell you one thing. in 1994, we elected a class of republicans who did not give a wit about their own reelection. they came to reform welfare, balance the budget. it was remarkable. after 10 long years in 1997, i was one of the chief architects of balancing the federal budget. the first time we had done it since man walked on the moon. we admit that it since. we paid down the debt. the economy was doing great. i left washington. some of you might remember, i was a giant television star on fox news. [laughter] you are member how great i was. and i also worked