josh romney, one of his other sons that wants to be involved in politics and right now he runs his own real estate company that he is getting involved in issues like the homeless shelter and he backed a candidate and is often talked about as a candidate. the problem is that the family has an east coast that you've got to be successful in business and let your kids grow up and then you can run for office. so you can run but the question is where. it's very much like the fact you come from a privileged family you are expected to give back so jon huntsman has a concert pianist and wants to play symphonies around the world, second oldest daughter you've probably seen her on msnbc. she's probably the most likely to jump into politics and has openly said she would that she would be interested in running for office and where she would run for office is where she considers home which is utah. we have some time and she is going to maybe finish her credentials in the media, get well known, come back in utah. john huntsman also has two sons in the navy. one will be flying jet planes soon. so this

we did talk to josh romney, but we also supplemented it with senior aides from campaigns with, you knowlose friends and confidants, and you'll also notice there's, like, 30 pages of notes and sources in the back for all the research and documents that we compiled over that 18 months to find these great nuggets. so it was a long work to try to get some of these people to talk to us. in the end we got most of them. we have talked to romney beforehand, so it's not like we never -- he's not quoted from our own research in that, but the romneys did not really want to participate. >> well, the reason i bring that up perhaps our readers read a letter to the editor from karen huntsman that was published in the tribune a few days after the book came out, and she called the book "tabloid trash." [laughter] how do you respond to her? >> you know, i think actually our second printing we're going to put supermarket tabloid trash in quotes on the back -- [laughter] >> it's that juicy. [laughter] actually, you know, on something like this we respect the huntsmans and karen huntsmans' opinion. we're no

josh: that he is really rich. there was a conspiracy. the conspiracy theory among cynical reporters that he wouldn't release this information. but we found out today, he is really rich. he makes mitt romneyook like a pauper. mark: everyone talks about this being the cycle of the super pac. there's no doubt it is easier to raise, but the hard campaign dollars matter a lot. it is still what moves the campaign around. a lot of the functions can only be performed by the campaign. with the exception of hillary clinton, bernie sanders, jeb bush, a few others raising hard dollars is hard. josh: imagine if donald trump decides he wants to self fund. it could cause problems for the republican party. mark: i keep saying people underestimated whether he would run, his wealth, and he's taking great pleasure in telling people how rich he is. some republicans are skeptical and say maybe he engaged in an exaggeration, which would be problematic. but he clearly is the richest person to run. josh: speaking of, he had a meeting scheduled with senator ted cruz. that meeting came out ted cruz his request. mark: that is one way of handling the donald. the other is to push them aside like what jeb bush did in

. >> you knew that mitt romney agreed that russia is the number one threat. was mitt right, or was the general wrong? josh: you would have to ask them. as i mentioned yesterday, i am not aware of any sort of specific or comprehensive analysis that has been done by the president's national security team that arrived at that conclusion but obviously, when dealing with russia particularly in the last couple of years since the election when we have seen russia start to ramp up destabilizing activities in ukraine, we have been mindful about the threat and the president has laid an important leading role in presenting a united up front in confronting russia for their destabilizing activities. >> following up on kevin's question on opm, when do you expect ms. culvert will accomplish your goal? josh: she will be responsible for implementing many of the reforms that opm has announced in the last couple of days. i referred to opm for a more apprehensive set of those reforms. there is an effort underway at opm to draw on experts inside the federal government but also security experts outside the federal government.

kevin: you do know that mitt romney agreed that russia is the number one threat to this country? josh: i may have heard something like that. kevin: is mitt right or the general wrong? josh: you have to ask them. the fact is i mentioned yesterday, i think i'm not aware of any sort of specific or comprehensive analysis that's been done by the president's national security team that arrived at that conclusion but obviously when dealing with russia, particularly over the last couple of years since the election where we have seen russia start to ramp up their destabilizing activities, particularly in ukraine, we've been very mindful of that threat and the president has played an important leading role in presenting a united front in confronting russia for their destabilizing activities. rebecca. rebecca: thanks, josh. following up on kevin's question about o.p.m., when do you expect ms. -- what do you think ms. colbert will accomplish in her new role? josh: she will be responsible for implementing many of the reforms that o.p.m. has announced in the last couple of days. they can -- i'd ref