and that's going to require a lot of intelligence to look at. >> art roderick, obviously we are just a few weeks away -- or few weeks since the paris sho shooting which was a mass shooting by isis terrorists. this potentially could be terrorism. we don't know. the information is still coming in. the police are going to share it any minute. we'll bring that press conference to you live. is there anything that suggests to you that it could be an act of terrorism by an extremist islamist group, or not? >> well, i think there's enough information here to look at and say, you know, of course we don't know yet. >> right. >> we're still looking at one to three shooters. >> right. >> law enforcement always when they initially respond always think there's more than one shooter. >> right. >> that's number one. so you're always going to hear that initial report. if there are three shooters and there obviously is some organization. based on what organization to this particular crime, what's behind that is i think the key. what's the motivation here for these individuals to commit this crime? whe

art roderick, here we are again.w, wer just talking about an active shooting situation at a planned parenthood center in colorado springs, colorado, on friday. here we are san bernardino, california. and as we sadly are familiar with active shooting scenarios, we know, what, priority number one is establish a perimeter and safety for anyone in the area. >> yeah, brooke. unfortunately we're getting quite used to this. another sad incident here. especially with reports of 20. that number is highly unusual. you're right, they have to set up a perimeter. it sounds like because they've called the fire department in early that possibly they might have the situation under control at this point. it's hard to say. of course, this just occurred. i know info is kind of sketchy iext been trying to find information on the internet, but there's not much out there yet. i think it's a pretty good sign if they're calling in the fire department right away that they might have at least a perimeter securer or the rescue and fire departm

let's talk with art roderick, anthony may, and casey jordan. good evening to all of you.ant to talk to you about whether this was homegrown terror, workplace violence, or some sort of hybrid. why the consternation, bernard carrick? >> i'm beyond workplace violence. this is terrorism. you know, i know people are having a hard time coming to that conclusion. i'm not having a hard time at all. you have a husband and wife team who are devout muslim, according to family members, friends. you have thousands of rounds of ammunition. at least 15 pipe bombs. combat gear. i personally don't think that their original target was this party. i think they went operational as a result of something that happened there. it was only a matter of time before they were going to go there. >> art roderick, i have to say that officials are telling cnn that it appears that they were radicalized, they may have been radicalized. >> well, i mean, i -- this -- whatever box it fits in. this is the problem we are running into, they want to stick it in a particular box. the bottom line here is they used

danny roderick had plans to fly to phoenix to ask his girlfriend to marry him. his flights were canceled over and over again. he took a picture of the diamond ring and proposed over the phone. coming up on "action news" at noon, a question on the whole foods overcharging investigation, what the company agreed to do to settle the allegations. and the company known for making magic in hollywood, how wha they are doing in real life for this 8-year-old girl. >>> millionaire i investor, carl icon has raised the stakes for philadelphia based pep boys, last night he upped his offer to $18.50 a share, toppling the bid from bridge stone of $70 a share, the pep boys chain is valued at more than a billion dollars. >>> whole foods has agreed to pay a half million dollars after allegations it overcharged customers in new york city. the city tested different types of foods and every single one was improperly weighed. they now have to be checked each quarter to make sure products are properly weighed and labeled. >>> and doctors are shocked by auto new study on pain killers, t

. >> roderick says only text messaging and wi-fi were working on his phone.ure of himself down on one knee with the rink and his proposal and she immediately said yes. >> it didn't bother me honestly i wouldn't change it. i wouldn't go back and change anything. the way we were communicating that's all we had. he was stressed, i was stressed. i wouldn't change it at all. >> when he did arrive in phoen phoenix, roderick says he got down on one knee, just like th this. >> didn't want to be any eau anyone else ever again. and give her the ring. >> still it was the first proposal the one that couldn't wait that will live in their hearts and minds and cell phones for a very long time. >> and the newly epp gauged couple also texted each other i love you aft the proposal. ♪ >>> new tonight at 6:00 a manhunt is on for a guy police say is responsible for several armed robberies and the lock down at a local school. what you can to help find him. ♪ >> the neck time you travel on the pennsylvania turnpike, you can leave your cash at home. we'll tell you how you'll start p

if anything, the smuggling of fake roderick's is proliferating. >> you are basically saying this is aral choice, or is it in government hands? is it about plugging up the holes in the borders? edith: it's about how much money you have in your pocket. these are fabrics that are usually used on special occasions. if you don't have the five euros it would cost to buy one meter, and you need at least four meters, if you don't have the right amount of money to buy that, you going to go with the cheaper product. it would not matter to you whether that product is from pure -- from your local vendor because as far as you're concerned, it's in your pocket. quite how much of a difference is it making? >> we're being told it's upwards of 7000 illegal fabrics. it is impossible to tell just how much of the market has been infiltrated by the fake products because no one is keeping tabs. it's going to be very difficult to assess how much of an impact the task forces is making. >> but the government is doing something, there is an impact of sorts. some say without the task there would not be an indus

marshals art roderick and james fitzgerald.o you have sany doubt that this was islamic terrorism? >> no indications that these people have reached out for workplace violence jihadist training camps or cells. so we do know that they've reached out for and i have actually visited farook himself other countries and it was possible that he was in a training camp there. we certainly see through his tenicles that he's reached out for people on the list and well known to the fbi. they may not have been big players yet but they are certainly on the score card and it's no doubt that he had some level of radicalization from these people and from visits to the other countries. >> bob, we know that farook himself travelled to saudi arabia, met his wife there. that was back in 2014, though. and we know he didn't return and immediately start, for example, doing anything obvious, like growing his beard. that happened later. there were no signs from anyone, from his neighbors, his co-workers, guy who sat next to him, people we've talked to on

again, i'm joined by art roderick and assistant director of the u.s.vice and john is joining me, president of the police foundation and the former police chief in redlands, california. thank you for being with us. in terms of the investigation, what are the key questions you want answered as soon as possible? >> i think everyone wants to know why. i don't know that we're going to get to that. >> that may take time? >> i don't know that we're ever going to get that because the people that know are dead. but i think that local law enforcement is going to continually ask themselves are there others out there? is this a one-time event with these people or is this the beginning of something else that law enforcement across the country will have to deal with? >> it is incredible when you think about the response by police, quick response, most of the mass shootings, fbi analyzed more than 160 of them over the last 15 or so years, most of them over in four to five minutes. police arrived very quickly on the scene and killers already left of usually but becaus

we as have law enforcement analyst art roderick.tart with you, art, as this was happening on live television. stephanie elam was up there. and i was on the ground floor. i could hear them appalled that this was happening. what was your reaction? >> i thought it was a very strange incident. i mean, they could have held on to the residence for another four or five days until things calmed down a little bit. i'm not sure -- they seem to think that they've got everything out of there. the case is in it's infancy, we just got the official word from them yesterday that it's a terrorist investigation. i would have held on to it a little longer. in case they had to go back and something triggered my memory. you know, as this investigation moves on. >> because it was on wednesdy. and they released on thursday? >> yes, exactly. just the appearance of having that kind of helter-skelter thing going on in the apartment. if they just held on to it for another four or five days and then released it back. >> i don't think the land lord -- and i kno

we're back with the panel, lenny depaul, chris, art roderick and harry. what are you most interested in learning in terms of the details you heard that stand out to you and what do you need to know? >> the key part is there is a third suspect there is more police activity somewhere, not quite sure what that means. they would be following up on leads of the two individuals or one individual they have on the ground there that they had taken out earlier but motive is going to be the key here. if there is two or three individuals involved in this, what is their motive? criminal which we heard from pamela brown, criminal or dem me -- domestic terrorism. it's easy to have two or three shooters involved in this type of activity without some reason for doing it. >> chris, how much preparation do you think an attack like this needs to have or would have had? >> well, you know, we don't know the details of the attack but you can tell by the equipment they were carrying and the way they pulled this off that this had to have -- they had to have military training or t

art roderick and harry houck are joining me. harry, this is very much ongoing. >> right. >> they are now hunting for one, possibly two additional shooters. the car that one was in is completely shot up. so art, do you believe these other people were in the car and were able to run? is that even conceivable? >> well, the officer who first encountered them and had a shootout and was injured, he knows how many people he saw. it doesn't look like he has a life-threatening injury. he's probably already relayed to the police how many were in that vehicle. that's probably why they are searching that whole area because i don't know how long it took for police to get there or if there was a direct scene or how close the officer encountered them to where the vehicle finally stopped and one man is dead. >> yes. >> the fact is, they know that there were probably three in the vehicle as a result of that encounter with that officer. the other two may be on foot. >> bobby, we can see from our aerial footage that you're looking at right now tha

art roderick, cedric alexander. toms, this looks like an active situation now that's not been resolved yet. >> no, they are trying to determine if someone else is in that vehicle and of course, suvs like that often have dark enough tented glass that you can't see through it easily from the outside. so we don't know if it's a good guy or bad guy down on the street but there still could be somebody in the van. >> because it's someone -- could be a police officer, could be one of the suspects if there is more than one, right? >> right. >> art, what do you think? >> they got to be careful here because obviously this is a residential neighborhood and high-powered rifles and law enforcement is taught you got to have a target to shoot at so i know from the law enforcement side they are being very careful but they are using actual front yards and fences there of people's neighborhoods to make sure they got a good angle on this particular vehicle. >> cedric alexander, look at the vehicle. all the windows have been basically

the jury by a vote of 12-0 advise and recommend to the court that it impose the death penalty upon roderick ferrell. >> death was simply an inevitability. when i told them that execution meant little to nothing to me, and that death would be preferable, i meant that. >> the rest of ferrell's cult avoided capital punishment. scott anderson was convicted of armed robbery and first degree murder. he is serving life without parole. dana cooper was sentenced to 17 years for armed robbery and third degree murder. charity casey received ten years for armed robbery and third degree murder. of those arrested, only heather wendorf went free. a grand jury deciding that she knew nothing of rod ferrell's murderous intentions. after three years, the death sentence was commuted by the florida supreme court on account of ferrell's youth. >> i sat in my cell on death row and i questioned myself. i realized how far into the pit i had fallen. and i took that moment from then on. i said from this point on, i will be--i became a man who became a monster. i will become a man again. whatever it takes. now that i

let's discuss with bernard karik, art roderick, anthony may, and casey anthony -- casey jordan.e did that tonight in the editorial meeting. everybody has done that. pardon me. casey jordan. anthony, you have information about the explosives. what can you tell us about the explosives? >> looking at the photographs and talking with the -- some folks -- let me just say this -- i work for the san bernardino county bomb squad and i got to tell you, they rate as far as squads go, right up there at the top of the list. they are confident and capable of doing their job. and what i'm learning from the scene, is that the design of this particular device, especially the device left at the center, with the yellow car in front of it, there were some major design flaws. i've spent a career, 20 years where i examine exhibits, reports, photographs and the physical evidence to render opinions about devices. and all we have here is a photograph. so -- to go on. but what i'm being told and from the photograph, there's some major design flaws with this device and most likely this device never would

you have people out there, juanita roderick who accused of president clinton of raping her and hillaryn threatening her to keep quiet. you have one out on the campaign trail saying how badly she was treated bit clinton organization. this is something that will come up here as we go on. i don't think she'll be able to get away with the war on women tactic. she's being accused of this by other women. >> most assuredly it's going to be brought up because the trump campaign is the one raising it. ana, i think you're with it now. the war on women argument has worked against republicans in the past. do you think bill clinton is the best defense against it? >> absolutely not. frankly, kate, i can think of few things to kill the christmas spirit that would be better than, you know, dragging decades of bill clinton's sexual history on national tv today. merry christmas to our viewers. no, you know what, leave it alone, for god's sakes. if hillary clinton and bill clinton has worked out their marriage and have worked out their situation, that's their business, not ours. i think there's plenty, p

i want to bring in alderman roderick sawyer.at mayor responded to the calls and the superintendent resigned, basically being fired. do you agree with calls from the protesters that are saying that the mayor needs to go himself? >> well, let's make a correction. wasn't that i was happy that the mayor made the decision. i was satisfied with it. there's still some unanswered questions relating to the police but as it relates to mayor emanuel, he was elected in 2015. i think that he has time on his side. he has three and a half years to prove to the citizens of chicago that he is a capable mayor. and the citizens have three and a half years to organize and galvanize and do what they think is necessary in order to make that change if they feel that's necessary. >> when we look at what the media is doing, "the chicago sun times" with a singing editorial board article that said the police superintendent had to go but in this story they're saying now african-americans elected or likely to lobby for the return of the first deputy while l

as well as cnn law enforcement analyst arthur roderick, a former assistant director of the u.s.arshals. arthur, let me start with you. the law enforcement response yesterday is being applauded. it's being harolded. what about it do you think was particular ll lly effective? >> i think the fact that usually in these types of situations responses are anywhere from 7 to 12 minutes. this was a 4-minute response. and i think because of that immediate response they were able to collect information right away that led them to the actual suspect vehicle, which i think and i've talked to a lot of my law enforcement friends out there, and i think that they were ready to hit a second target or either come back and possibly hit the same location where the c.p. was being set up and the triage area was being set up. >> chief, these two killers were armed to the teeth as art suggests with more than 1,600 rounds of ammunition in their car. 5,000 rounds at their home along with 12 pipe bombs. how do police train to deal with individuals who are packing that kind of heat? >> well, i think every s

joining me is sean henry, former fbi executive director and cnn law enforcement analyst art roderick,er assistant director for the marshall service. authorities finding the smashed cell phones used by the suspects in a garbage can. we reported evan perez said they have been sent to the fbi forensic lab. if they were trying to erase a digital footprint, can authorities get data off the phone? >> it depends the tactics they used to erase the data depending on how that was done, the fbi has certain capabilities, software applications that will allow them to retrieve, if not the totality, partial pieces if those devices were physically destroyed, there still are ways they may be able to reconstruct, not 100%. alternatively through isp, the providers as well as some of the companies they may have used for applications, they may be able to find information stored off of the devices that they thought was only stored on the devices however was stored elsewhere. there are multiple channels to try and pursue, anderson. >> you've had along career, art, tracking down fugitives here in the united

marshal service, art roderick. this is a kid convicted of drunk driving and his mom.n a crime syndicate, i don't know they have vast criminal experiences. why is it difficult to catch them? shouldn't there be signs of where they are now? >> i think they're investigating quite a few very good leads out there at this point. once the sheriff's office referred this case over to the north texas fugitive task force, that opened it up to the whole country. there's 70 plus of these same types of task forces all over the u.s. and territories. with the publicity this case has got, they do have several good leads they're investigating right now. it is kind of unusual, you're right. i mean, i've arrested career criminals that have breathed a sigh of relief because they're constantly looking over their shoulder. it's very stressful to be on the run like this. especially when your particular case is garnered this much publicity. >> now, the mom is now listed as missing. she wanted as well along with her son. that leads us to wonder, what is the role of the father here? i know the b

. >>> "outfront" now, chris swecker and art roderick.aw stephanie's report about the media coming into the home. you saw stephanie's footage of licenses and social security cards, passports, lots of different i.d.s. there was even a shredder with paper in it. do you think that's really the case? >> i mean, we have to take their word for it. just when you think this case couldn't get any stranger, stuff like this happens today. and i have been in law enforcement for 38 years. i've never seen an open house hosted like this by the owner of the shooter's property there. it's a bizarre case. should they have left all of that stuff? they seem to be fairly confident that they got everything out that they needed. you know, i would have probably taken every single possible item out of that place that had any association with the wife or the husband. and go through it with a fine-tooth comb. as you heard the sack announce that they got everything out of there that they needed and turned the residence over to the owner. >> it does seem confusing, r

. >> art roderick, in an investigation like this how quickly does new information come in when you have these numbers of fbi agents and law enforcement personnel working on this and working together on something, they must have already tried to interview people who live in the apartment complex where these people are to gain information about how many people actually lived in that apartment and how many people seen coming and going from the apartment. all of that stuff is underway even though this is still an active situation, right? >> yeah, anderson. it's a lot of information coming in. you're basically drinking through a fire hose but you've got information coming in specifically about support systems, about the crime itself so you've got to kind of filter that through and make sure that that information is getting to the investigators that are handling that portion of the case. again, kudos to law enforcement. if they are headed to another location they could have very well under estimated the response time of law enforcement. when this type of call goes out, anybody on the street t

. >> arthur roderick joins us now. my question for you is given what we know about these suspects, a man and woman, how they were dressed, what kind of ammunition and guns and artillery they were carrying, the fake pipe bombs that they engaged police, what is your assesment of this? >> obviously there was a lot of planning that went into this. when you have two people with aa ar-15-type weapons. they have a plan to get in there, a plan to spend a certain amount of time at that location, to get maximum casualty impact and then to leash and get away. you know, they could have very well planned this out and then underestimated law enforcement response, which obviously was very quick, for them to come up with that location in redlands that quickly, i'm sure that the bad guys here didn't think we were going to be able to come up with that information so quickly. and we could have because of the quick response we could have stopped another location from getting hit also. >> the desperate search for answers after a mass shoot

this is danny roderick, because of weather he was stuck at o'hare airport in chicago for 50 hours all the while a diamond ring was burning a hole in his pocket so since he couldn't get to phoenix to propose to his girlfriend he texted her a picture of the ring. in her response she used the term omg twice which he took to me, yes. and danny says henceforth all communication in his marriage will be conducted via text which marriage counselors everywhere say is a brilliant idea. >> really have to think it through except when it auto corrects you. >> not planning a boy's trip to vegas, #yolo. >> it won't be omg, though. >> it'll be get home now. >>> to the very latest in those explosive accusations involving peyton manning. the nfl saying it's reviewing the report alleged he used performance-enhancing drugs to stage one of the greatest comebacks ever. considering suing. abc's ryan smith has the very latest. good morning. >> reporter: as dan said the denver broncos playoff bound but without their iconic star sidelined with a foot injury. his teammates saying he believed manning 100% but th

don't think you can lead a country that you don't love and i think that there is a part of the left roderick doesn't love the middle of the country and doesn't see them in their pain or beauty and almost cast them out anyway. there are different left and right. my husband is from kentucky and we go every year you just get to know people. we went down there a couple of years ago and we spoke at the museum of big trucks and cars. a part of what happens come and i will step very briefly as he talked to people you find common interests. you may not agree on everything but the idea is that you are able to talk and so much of our media doesn't talk to people it that makes them spectators and it makes them feel cynical. it cuts them out so there is a lot swirling around in this issue. >> i was told the reason i got a microphone is because mine isn't working so you didn't hear anything i said? that sort of depressing to me. [laughter] [laughter] but no i would like to introduce myself -- [laughter] does a few things i would like to get off my chest. one of them has to do -- i would like to speak on

this is danny roderick. because of weather, he was stuck at o'hare parent in chicago for 50 hours, all the while a diamond ring was burning a hole in his pocket. so since he couldn't get to phoenix to propose to his girlfriend, he texted her a picture of the ring. in her response she used the term omg twice which he took to me, yes. and danny says henceforth all sensitive communication in his marriage will be conduct via text, which marriage counselors everywhere say is a brilliant idea. >> really have to think it through except when it auto >> when i'm planning a boys' trip to vegas, just send a text. #yolo. >> it won't be omg, though. it will be something else. >> it'll be get home now. >> thanks, dan. >> thank you, dan. >>> to the very late in those explosive accusations involving superstar quarterback peyton manning. the nfl saying it's reviewing the report alleging he used performance-enhancing drugs to stage one of the greatest football comebacks ever. he fiercely denies it and is considering suing. ab

about this this with a man involved in a lot of searches, and that is cnn law enforcement arthur roderickunted down the fbi's most wanted. you have a teen and his mom on the run with plenty of money and resources. they may have even gotten a jump on authorities with time. where do you start? >> there's a lot of places to start. these individuals are not career criminals. career criminals generally know how to hide under the radar. these people have had money in the past. they need resources to support themselves. now they might have taken enough cash with them to hold them for a little while, but sooner or later, they will make a mistake because they are not used to being in this type of hugetive hunt. it's very stressful on these individuals to be looking over their shoulder constantly. the amount of publicity they are looking over their shoulder every minute of every day. this is going to weigh on them to a point where it could cause them just to give up at some point, walk into a police station and say you've got me. >> because they are not the usual criminal, they don't fit that profi

let's get more on what is going on with the former fbi assistant director tom fuentes and art roderickthere in san bernardino. did the police do everything they should have done yesterday? >> reporter: absolutely. the usual response time in these incidents is seven to 12 minutes and they were there in four minutes. having said that, the two suspects obviously were there for a shorter period of time because they got away but only got away for a few miles and that's the big question we've been mulling over the past couple days is what were they going to do, and i think everybody seems to agree that they were going to hit another target or possibly come back and hit that same area again where the first responders setting up the command post in the triage area. >> tom, this happened in a pretty large city, city of about 200,000 people and there were fbi, atf, they had some pretty sophisticated military-type vehicles. what if this were to happen in a smaller town? would the local law enforcement be prepared? >> good possibility they would not, wolf. in an area like that they would have been

. >> art roderick for us on this case, gets stranger and stranger by the day. ethan couch and his mother due back in texas within a few hours. thanks so much. >> thanks. >>> the pentagon confirming that u.s.-led air strikes in syria have taken out top isis operative linked to the master mind of the paris terror attacks. erin mclaughlin with more. authorities say this man was planning new attacks. >> reporter: his name was charaffe al moudan. he's believed to be 27 years old, having travelled from france to syria in 2013. now a coalition spokesperson announcing they believe he was killed in a u.s. air strike over syria on december 24th. they say that they believe he was in direct contact with abdel hamid abboud. they say french authorities believe that he was not in fact a senior isis leader but they do believe he was in contact with members of the paris attackers. they're still trying to determine the nature of his contact with those attackers, the nature of his involvement in the paris attacks which killed 130 people earlier this year and news of his death, of