it's ross perot minus the later revision of the reason he quit. then you will not get that this year from michael bloomberg. even though he will not run, we now know on the occasion of him quitting, just how big the operation was that he put into motion when he was considering the prospect of running. the new york times reports tonight that mr. bloomberg commissioned polling of his chances in 22 states. he opened campaign offices not just in texas as nbc reported last week but in north carolina. his would be presidential campaign produced this campaign ad. sort of a run of the mill tv ad talking about what a great success mike michael bloomberg has been in his life showing buildings where people work. the michael bloomberg might run for president campaign went so far to pick his running hate. he was going to try to run with michael mullin or maybe. it's being reported that michael bloomberg finished a vetting process. the campaign liked what they found. he didn't ask the admiral if he would join but the implication is he would have had he run. mic

talking about fiscal responsibility was something that ross perot got both bush and clinton. they had to talk about it more than they were talking about it before. so you do have -- i have to think more about this sort of correlation causality. because i think there is something to that. when you are pivoting to a different political area, the parties themselves are finding a way, even after the election, to kind of accommodate the voters that were supporting this independent candidacy. >> hi. thanks for an engaging talk about a probably even more engaging book. i don't have the knowledge of my constitutional lawyer friend who asked a previous question. follow up on that. i'd ask you to use the crystal ball that you don't have. you did a very good job today of using history to understand the present. now we will take you to the republican field of the 782 or however many people running. if you were forced to make a guess today -- it's going to be a two-prong question. who do you see at the end of this emerging as the republican candidate and why? if you have a why. do you thi

clip] ross perot: millions of you came together to take your country back. [cheers and applause] washington a laserlike message to listen to the people. cheers and applause] you have done an incredible job of getting this country turned back around to the type of country that our founders established, a country that came from the people. you have changed in this country through your efforts. i compliment you for it. in the end even though ross perot had upwards of 40% in his polling, he didn't win a single state. what impact do you think that he had in that race? what impact might an independent have in the current race? republicans tend to think that ross perot denied george h.w. bush a second term. look, he had a role in it in the sense that he came in in february of 92, when people were unhappy with bush but had not cut their tie with him. they have not yet attach themselves to the democratic candidate. he had cut that time for a lot of republicans and independents who got alienated from president bush senior's administration. vote was9% of the extraordin

clip] ross perot: millions of you came together to take your country back. applause] washington a laserlike message to listen to the people. cheers and applause] you have done an incredible job of getting this country turned back around to the type of country that our founders established, a country that came from the people. you have changed in this country through your efforts. i compliment you for it. in the end even though ross perot had upwards of 40% in his polling, he didn't win a single state. what impact do you think that he had in that race? what impact might an independent have in the current race? republicans tend to think that ross perot denied george h.w. bush a second term. look, he had a role in it in the sense that he came in in february of 92, when people were unhappy with bush but had not cut their tie with him. they have not yet attach themselves to the democratic candidate. he had cut that time for a lot of republicans and independents who got alienated from president bush senior's administration. vote was9% of the extraordinary. i miss

but the other dimension is it becomes this platform for ross perot who in a series of interviews with larry king, larry king live was then as you all may remember the kind of marquee must-see tv on cnn. was talking about his views of what the government -- what the country should do and then on larry king live announces that he's going to run as a third party candidate for president. and perot's very interesting figure in that kind of like, you know, kind of like teddy roosevelt is straddling between the two candidates. he's maybe more republican, you know, than democrat, that one of the bush campaigns later reflection that bush aides said we just did not take perot seriously enough. many of them knew him from they didn't really think he'd have much staying power. of course, the bush campaign was the one more deeply hurt by p perot. because, again, just like in 1912, 1932 and '68 and just like today, americans were hungry for outsiders and fresh messages and this guy punched through the clutter with the folksy ross perotisms. he was a very different sort of candidate. people understoo

ross perot gets in the race. - right. - gets 19 percent of the vote, two-thirds of which really belonged to george bush, and he would have won with that. - not surprisingly, everybody fights about whether that's true or not but i know that that's the conventional read. - well, perot was running. - it's really interesting, perot was running on, "i'll take care of the budget the right way." even though he was proposing more taxes than bush had ever thought about accepting. but the third, the last reason's a very interesting one and it's the one i call, the churchill effect. if you go back to world war ii, winston churchill was the heart and soul of inspiring england to stand up and defeat the nazis in germany. and he provided both the inspiration and the strategy and the relationship with roosevelt. everybody acknowledged, without roosevelt, england would have done much worse than they ended up doing against the nazis, and defeating hitler and the nazis. before the end of the war, there's an election in england, and churchill's thrown out, by his own friends and people. there is this exhal

remember ross perot, that giant sucking sound, jobs going to mexico. donald trump, to a lesser degree, bernie sanders, going into that where is my job, not only my job, but my community. you've seen that playing out. we've seen this in the republican party. both 2010 and 2014. and the republican establishment tried to snuff those voters out, tried to raise money to beat those voters. get candidates those voters didn't like. and now we see it, the genie's out of the bottle, anger at trade, anger at the establishment, anger at washington dysfunction. it's bipartisan. the dynamic that trump is tapping. the question is, can he ride it to the nomination? he's got a ways to go to get there. if he's the nominee, how does he carry that into a general election in a republican/democrat race? when ross perot rode it to almost 20 million votes. he was the third party candidate. we haven't seen a major party candidate trying to hug this acre and keep it within existing coalition. >> sort of the anger, generating the support for trump, a lot is generating support fo

. >> remember in 1992 ross perot, the billionaire, warned about nafta, and he said it would cost millionsie sanders said this about 800,000 but ross perot in 1992 warning of the very same thing. >> nafta, the mexican trade agreement they pay people $1 an hour, no health care, no retire, no pollution controls, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, and we will hear a giant sucking sound of jobs being pulled out of country at a time when we need the tax base to pay the debt and pay down the interest on the debt and get our house in order. >> he was right. why didn't they listen? >> i will take it a step closer and say why didn't they review, there are always unintended consequences to the agreements, why did not someone review and say, we made a decision then but we need to reexamine it today and maybe we need to modify the trade agreement. maybe that country is cheating in devaluing their currency or manipulating interest rates. why is there no review process that said, maybe we made a mistake or maybe we need to fix something we agreed to early on. >> that is why it is a big issue and sadly, an

in the second presidential debate of 1992, ross perot said we have got to stop sending jobs overseas. it's pretty simple. $14 're paying $12, $13, an hour, pay a dollar for labor -- except for the part about mexico being overseas, was ross perot right? have trade deals like nafta hurt u.s. workers and the environment? mr. van hollen: well, certainly nafta i believe has hurt workers and i think like any agreement you have to look at each one on its own merits and decide, is it good for american jobs? is it good for american workers? is it going to boost and when i looked at the most recent t.p.p., i concluded it did not meet that test. and that's why i opposed that and opposed the fast track which prevented us from trying to make changes to improve that. we do need to boost our exports around the country. i was just recently at the port of baltimore and that is a huge economic engine for the state of maryland. so we need to continue to push forward in those areas. i'm very proud to have been endorsed by the united auto workers who are very interested in expanding manufacturing. we have

talking about fiscal responsibility was something that ross perot got both bush and clinton. they had to talk about it more than they were talking about it before. so you do have -- i have to think more about this sort of correlation causality. because i think there is something to that. when you are pivoting to a different political area, the parties themselves are finding a way, even after the election, to kind of accommodate the voters that were supporting this independent candidacy. >> hi. thanks for an engaging talk about a probably even more engaging book. i don't have the knowledge of my constitutional lawyer friend who asked a previous question. follow up on that. i'd ask you to use the crystal ball that you don't have. you did a very good job today of using history to understand the present. now we will take you to the republican field of the 782 or however many people running. if you were forced to make a guess today -- it's going to be a two-prong question. who do you see at the end of this emerging as the republican candidate and why? if you have a why. do you thi

bill clinton in either of his elections get 50% of the vote because ross perot white house runni -- rossot was running in both races. if he was, who everyone could rally around and keep trump at 35%, 40%, and sweep up all the other votes, sure. but they thought maybe it would be bush, maybe it would be rubio. kasich doesn't seecm to be that person. i don't think ted cruz is that person either. given amount of candidates trump has the largest amount of support. and the person with the largest amount of support, for that person not to win, that's a tough thing to legitimate in the eyes of the public. >> and, lynn, as you know -- >> let me jump in here. >> quick. >> i want to go to lynn first. go to lynn first and then come back to you. go ahead, lynn. i'll come back to you, quin. >> i think this conversation demonstrates the point that there is confusion between plurality and majority wins. and under the -- in different sets of rules guide different stages of the election process. trump's simple message is, oh, i have the most, i should win, is the one that you don't have to explain a lot.

i think the closest parallel, i would say would be ross perot back in 1992.n fact, i wrote a column this week saying, you know, if trump does win -- and i think he's likely to, i would like to see cruz make a run at him. i think he could remake the rupp party and will look more lookic a perot reform party than the conservative party that ronald reagan turned the republican party into. one other point. some of you are missing the point about who's got all the delegates. what's really important i think to the voters is you've got a candidate who has won almost all of the big states. he won florida by a huge margin. he's won michigan, illinois, north carolina. likely to win out in arizona almost certainly will win new york, and i think regards of whether he gets to a majority of the delegates or not, if he's winning all these big states and goes with -- >> okay -- >> a plurality, and then they try to take the nomination away from him through the byzantine rules that nobody knows how they work, i think it could call a civil war within the party. >> dan, those rul

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just ask ross perot. it takes a lot of money. just ask michael bloomberg. it takes a lot of money.hey really do this? >> yeah, and i think establishment republicans have to be very clear and they have to be clear starting now/yesterday on what exactly their goal is. and with a third-party candidate, i do not think it is about running for a third-party candidate and thinking that that person can win. i think it is actually more about preserving the party's legacy, saying look, we have presented someone who is an alternative to donald trump. we do not believe that trump presents, you know, the principles of our party. and here is a person that everyone else who believes in those principles can vote for. and then we move on four years from now. >> but if you're preserving your petition's legacy by destroying your party, by tearing apart your party, this is the box they find themselves in. >> there's a difference that we're seeing right now between someone like a mitch mcconnell who through all signals that he's sending would probably line up behind trump as the nominee. and then some

- i would like to have talked to ross perot and just didn't. - tried? - i asked about it. - you were told no or hell no or you were told nothing in response? - i was told that it was not a subject he liked returning to, the '92 campaign. - it's one of the most interesting parts in the book. - and so mainly because it would have been interesting. i don't know if it would have changed the story. what was so striking about, we talked for nine years, the president and i did. - [evan] how often? - three or four times a year. - in long blocks of time for each of those. - we'd do a morning, an afternoon, maybe a morning and then a morning. one of the most interesting things that happened was, he's not the most linear thinker as you know. - one remembers. - so therefore, a linear approach to interviews did not work. so if i did it chronologically he would get bored and start playing with tennis balls and stuff. i adopted a bushian style. i would just say gorbachev or your mother. and it would sort of work. - and he would just start talking. - and he would start

ross perot was more of an economic theory. this one seems a little less focused on anyone economic theory. i think the senator was alluding to, particularly white males, who are very concerned about their place in the economic and social structure of the world. there is a sense that somehow, their place in the country has been eroding and their country's place in the world has been eroding. those are both frightening things. we do have, some individuals, at least one foreign journalist here. mark: when i talk to him late yesterday evening, i think foreign observers weather from the embassy or journalists, are intrigued with what is going on. comparing it to what is going on in europe. this individual would like to comment, i would be so happy, because i need participation. could you identify yourself? >> i am here in washington for "german business daily." one thing i have noticed covering the primaries, germans are always seen as specialists on angst. and wherever i go on trump or cruz rallies, whenever you identify yourself

some of you remember ross perot talking about the giant sucking sound created by nafta. it happens. whether he knew why it was going to happen, who knows. the fact of the matter is it did happen. the currency with devalued -- devalued's significantly. there is a direct relationship that is worth you doing a little math over. i trade negotiators tell us, and most economists will come up with a number of round this number that for every billion dollars of exports, it is worth jobs.5800-6000 instead of a billion exports, you increase imports by $1 billion. of jobs.that number now, a lot of folks are seeing the impact on lost jobs. party talked about the korean trade agreement. this is the final slide i want to show. my light just turned yellow. this is a different source of data. is awe are looking at here measure of wages. terms isened, in real americans, especially the lower fact, which values are in declining. that is a problem. that is when you all start hearing about the impacts of trade agreements. that is my concluding slide. [applause] >> yellow is the new red. [applause] >> th

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you have seen union members who thought the same thing with ross perot and those who liked ronald reagan. the unions are talking and putting together money and trying to expose donald trump being for right to work. >> ian, the republican point of view, if you assume hillary clinton will be the democratic nominee and tonald on the robbery side, we don't know that on the republican side. how do you stack up the two cand uponidates and which one appeals to the union vote? >> if it is donald trump versus hillary clinton, instead of a republican versus democrat election, hillary clinton is the ultimate washington d.c. insider and donald trump being the outsider. that is going to help trump speak to union workers and blue collar workers and 20 years seen the long- term economic prospects diminish. they look at democrats and republicans and holding them responsible. and you have hillary clinton supporting naftan and tpp that is it a real liability. voters are more concerned if you are outside of washington or inside of washington. >> senator ted cruz did a takedown on donald trump's tariff thre

all of this kind of makes you wonder, whether we could see the creation of a third party, a la ross perot in 1992. here to answer the question, basil smikel. evan siegfried, president of communicating consulting. evan, what is the chance of third party run in your estimation? >> i don't think donald trump wants to run as third party. he will not do it. he will play the blame game. trish: republicans say he is hardly a republican. why can't he create his own thing on to himself? bring in blue-collar democrats and -- hillary clinton and unions? >> he likes narrative and attention he was able to say look, i was on the road, look what those washington insiders did to me. in fact they haven't done anything. the rules committee is who determines nominating process. the rules committee doesn't even exist. it won't exist until all primaries are set and done. this talk of insiders trying to sabotage the trump campaign, pure balderdash. trish: or wishful thinking of -- third party candidacy. what do you think? >> i think the real testament is the fact that voters are making their decision and voter

ross perot was more of an economic theory. his was, the giant sucking sound. this one seems a little less focused on any economic theory. it seems to be, as the senator alluded to, a lot of es who arely while mal very concerned about their place in the economic structure and the social structure of the world. somehow,a sense that their place in the country has been eroding and the country's place in the world has been eroding and those are both frightening things. mark: we do have, as i said, some individuals from foreign embassies here. we also have one more journalist here. when i talked with him late yesterday evening, obviously, i think foreign observers, whether they be from the embassy or be journalists, are intrigued with what is going on and comparing it to what is going on in europe. if this individual would like to comment, i would be so happy because i need participation. and i think the individual does here. could you identify yourself? >> i am here in washington for "german business daily." i want to say one thing that i have noticed covering the

ross perot was a businessman. wallace -- you mentioned something earlier that surprises me n me. that is for a major presidential candidate to talk about something to incite riot is completely new. >> let's listen to that and we'll continue the discussion. here it is. . >> if we're 100 short and we're at 1,100 and somebody else is at 500 or 400 because we're way ahead of everybody, i don't think you can say that we don't get it automatically. i think it would be -- i think you'd have riots. i think you'd have riots. i'm representing a tremendous -- many. millions of people. >> if anyone else had said that because i think i said something to the effect of one of the surrogates on sunday, there will be a revolt, not meaning literally. if anyone else said that, do you think it would be inciting violence? >> i do and i think it should be with donald trump. i'm not picking trump but this is unprecedented. i covered the civil rights movement and i know firsthand what inflammatory language in a very tense situation can quickly erupt into violence beep should all of us, every party, all

i think it actually started in 1992 with ross perot, and then at the end of '96 with ross perot, he dropped out, he didn't sustain it. then fast forward to howard dean. we saw that and it was strong enough on the democrat side that vice president gore didn't even endorse his vice presidential candidate that was joseph lieberman, he endorsed howard dean because that's where the energy was. today you have berndz ie sandern one side and trump on the other. i don't think those two spaces are talking about the same thing. also to the caller's -- to say that ted cruz was not born innocent united states, ted cruz is a legal citizen of the united states of america. that's political campaign sil silliness. so i just want to denounce that. there's nothing in the constitution that would disqualify ted cruz from running for president of the united states. >> are we clear given all that you just said about donald trump, oats, could you vote for donald trump if he was a nominee? >> i would have a very difficult time voting for donald trump. i don't say that as a republican. i just say that the things tha

go back to ross perot in 1992 or pat buchanan. the same year, a year of economic anxiety. we were in a recession, post-gulf war and the debate over america's role in the world was white-hot. you had pat buchanan, who ran an antiestablishment campaign, a populist campaign and remember nafta had not been passed yet, but a campaign of economic nationalism. a campaign that tapped into the anxiety of a lot of blue-collar workers, reagan democrats, people who had migrated into the republican party in the 1960's and 1970's in part for cultural values. they felt the republican party youblishment, call it what will, the country club republicans, what was the ghost of the old eastern establishment , basically had written them off , had very little to say to them. buchanan tapped into that anger and that resentment and ross perot in many ways built upon it. t had an overriding issue, the deficit to justify his candidacy and even though he lost in november, he won the debate because of course bill perhaps eager to prove that he was an unconventional democrat in some ways, they deficit

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it consists mainly of pero systems, which is a firm that ross perot founded and dell bought in 2009. it designs and operates i.t. systems for customers such as medical institutions and local governments and generates around $3 billion annually. meanwhi meanwhile, dell is planning to buy emc, which is a major data storage provider, for around $67 billion and is seeking to sell off its noncore businesses to raise the funds needed. ntt representatives are to meet with dell executives to propose the acquisition within the week. it hopes to build on dell's technology and strengthen its presence in the u.s. market. ntt's earnings generated overseas hovered around 14% of the total last fiscal year, and the firm aims to double that to around $22 billion by march 2018. now, expanding into markets overseas is a common challenge for japanese telecommunications firms since the domestic market has little prospect of growth. so softbank bought sprint in 2013 and similarly, kddi has added mobile phone markets in mon go la and myanmar. that's all from the nikkei. back to you. >> thank you for that u

and he is the third party candidate, the independent ross perot. >> perot got 19% as a third county candidate leaves a bad taste in your mouth. it worked as a -- it's a crucial hit over people's head at the moment. but with longevity and view of history he -- >> let's do this one. reagan one, are you better off? how about that? i'm the worst game show host ever. they have always been rigged, the game shows. >> you would ask yourself, are you better off than you were four years ago? >> the speech not an ad. >> exactly. that's really powerful one for ronald reagan. because people were not happy with the carter years. double -- you know, double digit inflation. long gasoline lines. economy in tatters. hostages. reagan's trying to remind people that look, things are better now than they are than if you're dealing with jimmy carter years. >> we're not talking about fdr getting elected here, but talking about what he did as president. some of his projects preserved the great parks we have today. people look at teddy roosevelt and say he's a conservationist, but it's fdr? >> yeah. he created the nat

he is in more a weird mix of george wallace, ross perot and these candidates who are so far outside the -- not just the party establishment but the world that most conservative voters operate in. >> do you know what people said in june when trump got into the race? his unfavorabilities were so high, he could never win. if all 106 presidential candidates we've had, no one has had worse unfavorables than trump. he moved those numbers and is now the presumptive nominee. >> defying boundaries. >> he is defying boundaries. >> it is not -- >> what's inaccurate is the unfavorables outside of the -- >> we're talking june numbers. that's within the republican party. >> in the republican party, he has decent favorable numbers. he also has some of the weakest support and weakest ratings of any potential mairjor party nominee since walter mondale. >> walter mondale didn't move high unfavorables higher than anyone ever before within the republican party. two huge positive ratings. he has the ability to defy ratings. >> okay, but if you're going to run in a general election, you don't just run with r

after ross perot came into the game, the duopoly of the democrats and the republicans tightened up theircess, superdelegates, and a much tighter process with the republicans. now you have this very strange situation where newcomer's entering in playing by the rules and getting votes, and now they're scratching their heads and saying how do we block this guy from taking over our party. and that's to your point, stacey. if they do block him, i think the party's going to go through a bankruptcy, reorganization and restructuring. andrea: kirsten, don't you agree that would be the end of the republican party? i think trump supporters are already angry that that i don't feel that the will -- they don't feel that the will of the people is being heard. cirs cirs it's interesting because you hear establishment republicans saying trump's going to be the end of the republican party. and there's definitely a grain of truth to that because he's not an orthodox republican. i think they recognize he's not somebody they're going to be able to control, who necessarily is towing the line of the issues the

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. >> which would be an exact rerun of 1992 when you saw a split on the right for ross perot that allowed bill clinton to win the presidency. >> thank you. good to talk to you. >>> well, one of america's busiest rail networks, the washington metro, could be closed for a second day. there was an emergency shutdown on wednesday. a maintenance crew could only try to repair the power cables to the train. it caused massive disruption in the nation's capital. tom ackerman still going to work to do this report. >> reporter: hundreds of rail cars serves the washington's area idled as maintenance workers expect all the cables supplying power to the network's train after a tunnel fire raised safety concern. it's the first nonweather-related closure since this mainly underground metro opened 20 years ago. it forced 700,000 commuters to search for alternative transportation. >> for everybody's safety, move back and get off the driver. >> reporter: all in all the situation i have might have been a lot worse, because all nonemergency government workers were offered the option to take this as an unsched

this group ofind people are the ross perot voters 1992 -- from 1992? guest: no doubt about it. those that backed him are some of the same voters that are backing donald trump. these voters, some of them i talked to that they did not want to vote for clinton, or bush. they said that to me a year ago. they want something new. they wanted something new with barack obama. many voters were tired with george w. bush that's what hurt the jeb bush candidacy. they don't want a dynasty, they don't want a bush or a clinton. donald trump is very different. he has shown he has a lot of political skills. he has shown to be an adept debater. he went toe to toe with politicians that have been debating for decades. working.ertainly it remains to be seen if donald trump weld the -- will participate in future debates. don't count ted cruz out, he is still not too far behind in the delegate count. donald trump still has to win ohio in order to make the case that this thing is over. if he should lose ohio to kasich, may be a brokered or contested convention. it would be, difficult to get to the 123

but the closest we've had to trump is a kind of combination george wallace and ross perot. perot a businessman. wallace appealing to blue-collar voters with more than a tinge of racism to it. but you mentioned something earlier, don, that really sort of surprises me. that is for a major presidential candidate to talk about in language that could incite riot is something completely new in american politics. this we've never had in our history. >> let's listen to that and then we'll continue this discussion. here it is. >> if we're 100 short and we're at 1,100 and somebody else is at 500 or 400 because we're way ahead of everybody, i don't think you can say that we don't get it automatically. i think it would be -- i think you'd have riots. i think you'd have riots. you know, we have -- i'm representing a tremendous -- many, many millions of people. >> if anyone else had said that, because i think i said something to the effect to one of the surrogates on monday there will be a revoeltd, not meaning literally. but if anyone else had said that, do you think it would be conside

there's a ross perot.reaking free of the kind of donor class of the gop to get there is going to be very difficult. >> okay. so there's a lot there that i think is actually quite on the money there. what stage are we at now in this -- how does that compare to your analysis back then? >> i think that what happened is i saw that populism had the nerj in the party. the tea party was largely a pop ewe lus phenomenon. i thought maybe that populism could be channelled into a lib tearism of free market or conservativism. donald trump said the way to harness this is through his immigration, protectionism, the racism, all of that stuff. so i think i was right that populism was going to be the next waive of the republican party and maybe it was wishful thinking i thought that populism could be harnessed into free market stuff. i do think it was possible and now maybe that ship has sailed. >> that's the question for you. what do you make of this last stand? here is romney, alex burns noting that romney matters for a

ross perot got 19% of the vote, bill clinton got far less than 50% of the vote and became a two termsident. >> by the way, in his second term, to that point, he also got under 50% of the vote. there's some precedent for that. >> that's right. that's right. that's my whole point. if you were to oppose mr. trump, go do that. i believe in the first amendment. god bless governor romney. but if the alternative to that is running a third party candidate, look, mrs. clinton gets 42%, 43% of the vote before she gets out of bed in the morning. getting her to 51% is a tough road especially because male voters really don't like her, trust her or want her to be president. she has a huge male gender gap. that all washes away if you have two republicans trump and somebody else running. i are seen cruz. i believe the nominee could be senator cruz. he's got momentum and is showing support tonight in kansas and in maine, two very different states. donald trump had done very well in the new england states until tonight. these closed caucuses and primaries where only republicans can vote, that's a whol

. >> will make ross perot look bad. >> the superstrong duopoly.fter ross perot debacle, they only want those candidates, and in all democracies people get what they deserve. maria: i keep coming back to the work, if you're going to sit it out and not vote because you are angry about donald trump you're giving it to the other side. >> i would say it is not too late. marco rubio wins in florida and they are able to settle the interparty dispute as to who is the candidate, you have a lot of primaries to go and a lot of delegates allocate. the reality is you may not get anybody to the magic number of 1200 so you didn't go to the convention and you have to get out and if it is an anybody but from campaign which is will we are hearing and from doesn't have a majority won't be the nominee so that our options available but it is going to require people to step aside, but their party and their country have their own political ambitions and start doing the right thing. maria: can from qb hillary? >> hillary is not a great candidate. has allowed a fringe can

but it started in 1982 with ross perot a and then begano in 96. and resaw that it was strong enough on the democrat side that vice president gore did not even endorse because that is where the energy was there a new fast forward to today you have sanders on one side and a trump on the other. i don't think those two spaces are the same thing. ted cruz was not born in the united states but he is a legal citizen of the united states of america. that is political campaign sylvanus. i just want to denounce that there is nothing that disqualifies ted cruz from running as president of the united states. >> can you vote for donald trump if he is the nominee? >>guest: i would have a very difficult time and i don't say that as a republican.quation and for what i have fought four of the social side of the equation donald trump and i have very little in common. >>host: what about hillary clinton? >>guest: everything i have fought for and stood for, i would have the difficult time of that because we don't profile for eachre are other. >>host: what do you do? t

ross perot was essentially a centrist when he ran in 1992 and ran less successfully in 1996.t when he ran in the great reagan carter presidential contest of that year. then you have the libertarian to have a different philosophy, a bridge philosophy including some republican and democratic components. are very different. let's take ralph nader as an example. back in 2000 he ran as candidate for president. that's not much in the context of candidates who have an impact on races. if you think back to teddy roosevelt, he got 28% of the vote, incredibly, in 1912 when he broke with the republican party and ran as a bull moose candidate. that 2.7% that he got actually had as great an impact, you could argue, as the 28%. roosevelt essentially elected woodrow wilson president. he got about 47% of the november wrote -- vote. anduse president taft roosevelt split most of the additional 60%, woodrow wilson got a massive electoral college landslide. what happened in 2000? -- i have to be careful here, i've artie got a long letter from him over the years. it's a good letter, i don't need

couple ofd a independent candidacies, ross perot was considered a successful candidacy because he did actually get double digits and percentages, but never actually won a state. , the formermberg mayor of new york, has been looking at jumping into the race, but i think he looked into it before and has always been dissuaded because he does not think he could actually win any race or impact the outcome, except perhaps in a negative way. it is very hard in this country to break out of the two-party system. host: let's head to cottonwood, idaho. our line for republicans, good morning. caller: good morning. i would like to ask eleanor if she does not think there should be a whole lot more transparency in our government, our elected officials, and for instance, who is actually contributing money to the political campaigns on both sides. who is contribute money to hillary clinton, what companies, the banks? and don't you think if donald trump has to come at you know, show his tax returns that hillary clinton should show hers? --this thing from the times new york times, trump should show. sho

be beneficial or i just think back to ross perot saying that this was going to kill us, and it directly killed me. and the reason why -- i'm not a supporter, but the reason why i think trump has as much support as he has, is because people are saying to themselves, well, we've done it the oliticians' way and we keep losing jobs. so donald trump is saying that this will be beneficial to the company -- or our country, so why shouldn't we try it. reason ieve that's the he has so much support because we've done it everybody else's ay and lost so many jobs because of it. host: thanks for the call from middleriver, maryland this morning. i want to keep getting your calls on this topic but we'll step away for just a second. we want to talk about primary day, another day in march, another day of primaries, four today, es taking place including michigan, of course, being the top prize of the day, but also mississippi, hawaii, and idaho and hawaii, it's just caucuses.ican so let's focus on michigan for a second. livingood.ed by tad he's a political reporter. chad livengood. polling hrough the num

in '92 ross perot ran as an independent, killed us in the first bush white house but republicans did t voters went republican most of them down ballot. so you could make a down ballot case -- >> so if you're kelly ayotte, you would like to have a conservative and donald trump? >> otherwise people like me in new hampshire, if there are any, just stay home and don't vote for kelly ayotte. so you could make that case but i agree with jim, it will be a haul to get people to -- it's tough to persuade people -- i voted republican every presidential election in my adult lifetime. it's tough to persuade someone not to go with the party nominee. >> doesn't your third party scenario make hillary clinton president for the next four, maybe eight years? >> i think donald trump winning the republican nomination makes hillary clinton president for the next four years, probably. i would say there's some chance that that third party person could take off if trump blows up that. 's the strongest argument against someone doing it. that will be used against any republican senator or governor or prominent

. >> i think he was always concerned about being a ross perot, spoiler to the election. >> but he is probably thinking if maybe i gotten in earlier, rin as republican. who knows what is on his mind. what is up. >> united airlines mechanics are picketing in midtown. this is going on right now. they're outside offices of jpmorgan. >> united airlines is still flying but the mechanics are upset. ben simmoneau outside the financial headquarters on madison avenue. hi, there, ben. >> reporter: yeah, greg and rosanna we're outside jpmorgan chase in midtown. the reason we're sheer, senior leaders of united airlines are they're making their case to investors of the airline. mechanics are outside saying not so fast. the teamsters mechanic, specifically represent about 9,000 united mechanics across the country, they say they're not getting their fair share from the airline the they have been without a contract deal for three years and they rejected about a week or so ago united's latest offer. reuters reporting that offer called for a 25%, 25% raise immediately and bonus checks up to 9,000 dolla

. >> i think about when ross perot ran years ago and called it free candy that all candidates will talkut wanting to give out. this is an example of that. it's not to pick on any particular candidate but it's just of course you want to be able to assure somebody you can bring jobs back but it won't happen until it's economically feasible. >> it's more of a trade issue than anything else, bill. if the candidates want to talk about that and whether trade policies need to be shifted, nafta, other trade agreements, that's a legitimate discussion that should be had that could impact manufacturing job growth but in terms of simply saying you can't move a plant, we'll force you to keep it in the u.s., that's the kind of rhetoric people should take with a huge grain of salt. >> for sure. phil, thank you so much. looking into where those manufacturing jobs have gone. 13 minutes to go, we're holding on to gains. nasdaq is up 8. >> when we come back, the ceo of global x funds will make the case for investing in argentina. you thought i was going to say cuba, didn't you? back after this. (patrick 1

ross perot was more of an economic theory. this one seems a little less focused on anyone economic theory. i think the senator was alluding males,ticularly white who are very concerned about their place in the economic and social structure of the world. that somehow,se their place in the country has been eroding and their country's place in the world has been eroding. those are both frightening things. individuals, at least one foreign journalist here. mark: when i talk to him late yesterday evening, i think foreign observers weather from the embassy or journalists, are intrigued with what is going on. comparing it to what is going on in europe. this individual would like to comment, i would sit -- be so happy, because i need participation. could you identify yourself? i am here in washington for "german business daily." one thing i have noticed covering the primaries, germans are always seen as specialists on angst. and wherever i go on trump or cruz rallies, whenever you identify yourself as german, the people you talk to im

some of you remember ross perot with the big ears talking about a giant sucking sound that would be created from nafta, in fact it happened. whether he knew why it was going to happen, who knows? the fact of the matter is it did happen. their currency devalued significantly and instead of piling all these things or selling all these things to mexico, we purchased a bunch of them. there is a direct relationship that is worth you doing a little math over. our trade negotiators tell us, most economists will come up with a number that every billion dollars in exports is worth 5800 to 6000 jobs. a corollary of that, $1 billion in exports, you increase imports by $1 billion, you lose that many jobs. that is why the politics of this country are mixed up in my view. a lot of folks are seeing exactly this impact on lost jobs, i already talked about the korean trade agreement. this is the final slide i want to show because my slide just turned yellow. this is a different source of data. what we are looking at here is, this is a measure of wages. what happened in real terms is americans, especially th