i have been three years incarcerated. >> i have done 13 years. like, i never want to go back to prison anymore in my life. daysdidn't feed me for 14 three times. i knew how to miss a meal. consequence in significant ways of what has been called the war on drugs, to what was a widespread perceived fear of the impact of narcotics, and this war on drugs was in many ways racialized. >> the laws were targeted, frankly, low-level street dealers and mainly from the african-american community, and inner cities. professor michelle alexander wrote a book called "the new jim and suggested that the number of people incarcerated, particularly african-americans, was so high that it seems to suggest that some kind of unfair discrimination was going on in our criminal justice system. >> racial minorities in this country are still racial minorities. if you look at their percentage representation in the general society in -- and compare that to the percentage of their reputation -- their representation in the prison. relation, it is higher. >> you are trying to ap

ow that we've identified mass incarceration as a problem, what is the solution? legislation sed that was going to really look at minimums, but that legislation has kind of died on the floor. i think that would have been a start. >> one of the things which we're advocating is something called parole. e parole is the idea has been a person entenced, that it is presumed when they become eligible for parole, that they are eligible for parole and that, you know, only thing that would keep some behaviord is while they were incarcerated or some other factors, which are xtreme, which make it clear that they should remain behind bars. a i didn't know how to use cell phone. my first cell phone i got in 004 when i came home from prison. you know, email. there was a lot of things for people who have been in prison for a long time. bring those things reach,, and be like an in encourage individuals who want to get their high school diplomas, want to get their degrees, want to stay out of trouble. ut we must as a society determine when the punishment must stop. boards, we're re

because there was no moment where there was an up or down vote on mass incarceration. that's not how it was built. nobody ever said hey, should the united states of the largest prison population in the world? no one asked that question. instead, what happened was lots of people acting in different spaces in the system. police officers arresting, prosecutors prosecuting, legislators passing month, judges imposing sentences. two officers making pro-decisions. supervising people on parole. all of those factors all became somewhat more punitive. everybody got harsher, maybe 20% harsher. ibid. the sentences they impose out longer. maybe they would vote for world more often. the thing is if everybody does it and everyone does it over 40 or 50 years, the result is mass incarceration. the last thing i will say before we turn it over to question is mostly this book is about how we got here. there's one chapter about what to do about it and the one thing i want to say tonight is we have to get out. we have to dismantle the system the same way that it was built, which is to say e

but there was no moment everything up or down vote on dot incarceration. that is not how it was built. nobody ever said should the united states is the largest prison population in the world, should we lock up more people out of apartheid africa nobody asked that question. instead what happened was lots of people acting in different spaces in the system. police officers arresting, prosecutors processing, legislators passing laws, judges imposing sentences, parole officers making terrible decisions, probation officers. all of those factors that really got harsher in their space may be 10% or 20%, maybe the sentences they imposed a little longer maybe they were paroled a little more often. but the thing is if everybody does it over 40 or 50 years, then the result is mass incarceration. the last thing i'm going to say before we turn it over to questions exclusively the book is about how we got here. the one thing about it but i want to say tonight is we have to get out and we are going to have to dismantle the system the same way that it was built which is to

there is bipartisan agreement that our nation has a crisis of over-incarceration, mass incarceration with 2.2 million people imprisoned in this country. that's a ratio that's higher than i think any other nation that we know of. one of the main reasons for this catastrophic level of incarceration is the use of mandatory minimum sentencing which often imposes sentences that are not appropriate for the facts and culpability of individual cases. once released, these people face the prison after prison where they can experience both housing and employment discrimination due to their criminal records. these burdens can be so great that over half are re-incarcerated within three years of their release. all of this disproportionately impacts african-americans and is a major factor impacting the quality of life in our families and communities. it simmers down and spreads out. it's not just individual tragedies. the rise of activism triggered by the disparities in our criminal justice system has touched diverse parts of our communities. harken back to the civil rights era of the 1960s, people

but our numbers were comparable that we were also incarcerated, incarcerated as well and struck down because we wanted more rights for our people. i think that his dream is living thru you. but our civil rights is in another context. and we cannot cease. i will not rest until we get legitimate response to what your testimony will be. from the federal level. legitimate laws that speak as opposed to mourn what you're saying. so help us pass legislation that deals with the atrocity of locking up preschoolers, obviously education is a lifeline. they're in schools. and the horrible system once you get into a juvenile system that should not be a penalty punitive system but should be a redemptive, restorive -- restorative system. you're a role model, we honor you, my door continues to be open and i look forward to orking with my colleagues. mr. cummings: thank you. congresswoman lawrence of michigan. mrs. lawrence: i want to thank you for being here today. just to put some weight into how important this hearing is, when you have the dean of congress here who is one of those who committed hi

. >> brown: mass incarceration and its devastating effect on black americans and neighborhoods.a subject that's attracted much attention in books and policy circles in the last decade. a new take on the issue comes in the book "locking up our own; crime and punishment in black america" based in part on the experience of author james foreman, jr. as a public defender in washington, d.c. foreman is now a professor at yale law school and joins me now, welcome to you. >> thank you. >> brown: let me pick up on that experience of being a public feer, what did you see there that made you rethink the story of mass incarceration? >> well, i went into the job because i viewed this as the civil rights issue of my generation. one in three black men under criminal justice supervision. and when i got to local courts of washington, d.c. what i saw was case after case with african-american judges, prosecutors, bailiffs-- d.c. has a significant african-american representation in operation of this criminal justice system and that system was very harsh. i had one case where a judge before locking

you have for the first time, people who were incarcerated, who have leadership roles in some criminal justice reform organization, they are able to make the powerful moral case, and change the minds of the legislators, to see how they have been reformed. we have a new level, as we said, crime victims don't necessarily want just longer prison sentences. they want that, if the option is nothing. if you tell someone who is victimized by crime, it is prison or nothing. if you tell something, do you want job training, drug treatment, restitution, restorative justice. people know prison doesn't work. >> they won't find those things in trump's budget. >> the book is called locking up our own, by james foreman jr. thank you for the talk, and the text. good to have you on. stay with us. >> pleased to welcome maggie sift. "billions" goes inside the fictional mind of the hedge fund titan, known as ax. here is a clip from this week's episode. >> why are you staying? >> that is what i am asking myself. i built something. i put myself into it. now, what you fell in love with? >> i went back to see

and so texas mirrored approaches to provide rehabilitation to keep youth made out of incarceration, keep them in group homes, inc. unity service. but then we saw crimes start to rise in the mid to late '80s and early '90s in texas which also mirrored the national effort to get now what do we do? cripe itribe is increasing evere for adults and juveniles. what we going to do to try to appease society, politically and otherwise, right? to hold these youths accountable. in texas this is why they struggle with this shift in accountability-based stresses. if the juvenile system is supposed be accountable, it's supposed to say okay, it's our responsibility to get you back on the right trajectory. but then the adult system, and increasingly the juvenile side can shifted towards this more personal accountability. and sort of instead of offender driven system offender of the juvenile court which is who is this youth come what is the background? did have a support network? swung into an offensive driven system where we're not interested in new this youth is, we are interested in what they did and p

. >> most of the 1,300 men and women incarcerated here are only accuse of crimes and are awaiting trial and the resolution of their cases. but if any of them break the rules here, they will end up in the disciplinary segregation unit, sometimes referred to as the hole. >> this is the hole. we have people for fighting, for stealing. >> inmates here lose all their privileges, including visitation and must spend 23 hours a day in the single-person well with one hour to use the shower a day or call on phones. but even in such a tightly controlled area, violence can still erupt. >> two inmates for fighting. >> somebody got clocked. >> hard to tell you all what happened. i can't believe this, man. trying to stay out of trouble because i was about to be out of lockdown. >> the inmates involved are giovanni harris and dillon thompson. they were both in the day room during the one hour they are allowed outside of their cells. >> we have 16 on bottom and 16 on top. we have eight hours in the shift. doing the math it doesn't add up. we have to double up if we are going to get everybody out. >> har

. >> i became homeless because i became incarcerated.hey released me on the streets with no assistance, fend for yourself. 33, ex-con, trying to get my life together. >> i stayed in a homeless shelter. beever thought i would homeless. most people in the country are living paycheck to paycheck. causes ofre root homelessness. among them are mental health, but you also have addiction, drug and alcohol addiction, and unemployment. some of these guys truly are unemployed. and incarceration. the fifth major cause is dissolution of family. >> mental illness is huge. guys who haveof some form of mental illness. depression, bipolar, these things can exacerbate homelessness. it is prevalent in this environment because we don't understand how deep a mental illness is. >> i've seen guys deteriorate because they are homeless, the depression of being homeless being too much for some guys and they crumble. many be homeless because they are mentally ill. ♪ >> mental health care is the number one resource needed by the homeless. allaffordable care act fo

exploded our incarcerated population to a point where we now incarcerate more people than any other country in the world. thankfully there is a bipartisan effort to much the chairman and others are involved in to try to deal with this massacre for it -- and incarceration phenomenon, but from your perspective, what can we do differently? good question, not sure how to think i can be an answer yet because it is multilayered. the mix of stuff we are trying supply,eduction in regulation, is the right mix. we don't know how much should be in each bucket. project -- trajectories, and bad news, i've also seen good news. pacing communities were we have made a difference. haveked to families who helped us get the message to the dangers of opioids and heroin. i think our national takeback program works. we should continue down that path. i think we are thinking about treatment, rehabilitation, much more sophisticated and helpful ways than we have in the past. party probably violating your request that it be sustained, but i would be happy to come talk to about it some more if you would have me. reque

even if you look at just white america the inkcar -- incarceration rate is high. if you just look at police shootings of white people it is way higher than other countries. we have huge amounts of sort of social ills relative to other countries even if you isolate for white people in the country and one of the things about this moment that i think is interesting is we are seeing with this experience of really intense, profound, economic distress, material decline along large swaths of white working class america particularly with the opioid epidemic gets more intense, a real question about whether we are going to use the sort of tool kit that was developed on people of color and sort of ratchet up or get tough language and mandatory minimums and launch a new war on drugs or take a different approach. in that way, i think everybody has stake in the outcome of that. everyone is going to rise or fall together depending on what it produced. >> is there a similarity between the way the opioid epidemic and the crack period in the '80s are being treated? >> the rhetoric

glorify being incarcerated. being in gangs. >> while knight admits to a near lifetime of criminal behavior, he says he now wants to set a different example for his three young children and protecting his family is what led to his latest conviction. knight says he told some loud neighbors to quiet down. then one of them attacked him with a machete. >> the next thing i know, he hits me in the shoulder with the machete. crazy. he cut my face from here to there. 15 stitches in my face. cut my hand open. and i finally got the machete from him. i hurt him pretty bad. i almost killed him. cut his head open down the middle. had to get 140 staples in his head. almost cut both his arms off. i mean, somebody tried to kill me. i got kids in the house, i got a pregnant girlfriend. i don't want to die. >> knight was arrested, however. and while he maintains self-defense, he says he pled guilty to avoid a harsher sentence if found guilty at trial. >> jermaine knight is being housed on administrative segregation, which is where

either youth were only serving on the average five months of incarceration in texas youth commission, or they were being certified and went into adult court and serving lengthier sentences than young adult counterparts on the adult sigh so we're seeing some fall through crack or two severe, and we're trying out how to apetes the masses and come up with a -- appease the masses and come up with blend sentencing. in 1987 when the determinant sentencing act was passed this was a way to provide what they call juvenile contiguous blended sentence, meaning a youth can be subjected to both jurisdictions and gives them a sect chance in june court but if that fails and a number of players went the juvenile correctional and -- well not only juvenile correctional facilities but juvenile court actors decide the youth is rehabilitated they can be released out of juvenile incarceration or if they decide these need to be transferred to the adult side, then jurisdiction would switch over. so juvenile with a sentence of ten years who coxs into texas youth commission at 17, could serve three to four yea

they could be incarcerated at this horrible rate.i was wondering what you think the best way for black americans to organize and start these advocacy groups to actually seriously left our reparations. some have jews have, even though the hole did not happen in the united states. our holocaust is still ongoing. what you think the best way for us to advocate. >> caller: first and foremost i think we should recognize black people should recognize that even though you may be black, there are still ways in which you can think there's something wrong or inferior about blackin people. thinking that creates a set of practices and attitudes. if you think is a black person that black people are very are and black people are criminal like, when you see a mass incarceration of black people you are not going to resist it. so first and foremost black people just like nonblack people should think about the way inize which we can become more antiracist. we can't recognize the quality of different groups and that will create a certain set of advocacy

the first witnesses would be the formally incarcerated, those who suffered through condemnation, told their lives don't have meaning and purpose and persevere to be human, to be free and just. when you work in the community where i work and spend time with condemned prisons on death row, children told they have to die in prison, people wrongly convicted, you begin to understand the power of grace, the power of redemption, the power of hope. people are hopeful in these dark and hopeful places when it doesn't make sense to be hopeful. life without parole is a hopeless sentence. a death sentence is difficult to hear. you are told you are so bad, so worthless, you have such little meaning, we are going to kill you. i find in my clients, i find in the places where i work, this amazing hopefulness. it can't -- you can't do it without being impacted by that, without seeing what can happen when you change -- when people are actually transformed. to me, that is about a ministry. i come from a faith tradition and, you know, we, in my community, we read all the teachings of the apostle paul. he

in. >> we transformed the hustle of incarcerated people.ed in a prison, a correction at institution knows many in prison are natural hustlers from hooch which is made in prison to the cutting and selling of cigarettes. people in prison, when you have restraints it can force innovation. by transforming their skills into legal skills and adding on a whole lot of character development, we don't only believe, we have seen and we know many with criminal history can shake outstanding legal entrepreneurs when they come home. john: you have a group called defy ventures. you have serious harvard business school education. >> they receive 100 course. when they finish our courses, they earn a certificate from baylor's mba program it's called ceo of your new life. they receive employment readiness training and life change zprils character doavment how to shake hand and tie a tie for employment when you get out to how to forgive yourself and how to forgive others. to shame reduction. and parenting from behind bars. it's very holistic. john: i have never

>> i don't know. -- incarcerated in america, is that correct? >> i don't know. >> today there are 2.1 million people incarcerated? >> is that state and federal? >> that's state and federal. >> i'll accept your number. i don't know the number. >> is that a relevant bit of information in termsst person in charge of such an important and prominent organization as dea how many americans are incarcerated in this country? >> for any crime or -- >> any crime? >> yes, it's relevant bit of information. >> and significant number of those individuals that 2.1 million are incarcerated as a result of drug crimes, is that correct? >> probably a significant portion, yes, sir. >> i think numbers that i've seen maybe approximately 50% of those individuals incarcerated overall nonviolent drug crimes and some way, shape, or form. now the dea, i think, initially had approximately 1500 special agents when the agency was created in '73, is that right? >> i'd have to check the number. it is less than we have now. >> current lit number is a little over 4,000, is that r

. >> most of the 1,300 men and women incarcerated here are only charged with crimes and awaiting trialnd the resolution of their cases. but all are subjected to random shakedown, designed to keep drugs out of jail. >> everybody up lest go. >> every day we do a search. a shakedown on a floor every day. >> verve at seat. >> we'll pull the inmates out of their cell, set them in the middle of the day space. the dog will go through the cells and search the cells finding any contraband we cannot find. >> i feel in some way he's shaking out my panties right now and going through my dirty clothes. >> i'm far to boring to have anything they would want to take. unless they want a copy of orange is the new black. >> pat down the inmates and send them back to their cell. >> today the search doesn't turn up any drugs or serious contraband. >> take them out of here and then all the cells will be open and they can do their daily routine. >> our rooms get trashed but, you know, what can we do about that? we're in jail. >> while frequent cell searches go a long way to keeping drugs away from the inmate

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we exploded to where we incarcerate more people than any other people in the world. thankfully-a bipartisan effort. from your perspective as a top law enforcement professional what can we do differently? >> i'm not sure how si can be. i have seen bad news and good news. i have seen communities where i think we have made are difference. i talked to families who have helped us get the message to kids about the dangers of opiods and heroin. i think our national take back program works. it is much more sophisticated and helpful ways. i am probably already violating your request but id be happy to talk about it more if you would have me. >> i only made that request in the desire to move this hearing along. i appreciate him giving you the opportunity to respond. >> i appreciate you being concerned about the time limit. i wish others had your same sense of fairness. the gentleman from utah is recognized for his five minutes. >> i assure the chairman i will be punctual. >> i hope you both carry that back and they know how much pop root for them and are concerned about them.

population to the point that we incarcerate more people than any other country in the world. thankfully there's a bipartisan effort to try to deal with this mass incarceration phenomenon. but from your perspective as a top law enforcement professional, what can we do different live? >> that's a very good question. i'm not sure how sus singt i can be inspect answering it. demand reduction, supply reduction, and regulation is the right mix. we can always debate how much would be in each bucket. but i've seen -- i see some bad throw jektries and bad news, sir, there's also some good news. i see communities where i think we've made a difference. i've talked to families who have helped us get the message to kids about the dangers of opioids and heroin. i think our national takeback program works. i think we should continue down those paths. i think we're thinking about treatment and rehabilitation in much more sophisticated and helpful ways than we have in the past. i'm already probably violating your request that i be sus sikt but i'd be glad to talk to you about it more if you'd

our crime rates are comparable to other southern states that have much lower incarceration rates. as citizens we have a responsibility to uphold the law or live with the consequences for failing to do so. but as elected officials we also have an obligation to acknowledge when an aspect of our government is broken and we must work together to find a solution. [applause] in 2015 we made a commitment to reengineer our criminal laws. it's an initiative that begin before i assume this office the one i believed in and supported when i was sitting here in this chamber. we have known for years that affecting real change to louisiana's approach to criminal justice would require extensive research into how to classify crimes, especially nonviolent crimes com, and will become juds about how to since offenders, and also exhaustive discussion about how we can actually accomplish change and enhance the safety of our citizens. the task force we created has completed the most comprehensive study of sentencing and corrections practices the status ever seen. the recommendations they are provided as

i was not allowed to go to their funerals while i was incarcerated.y blood brother and my uncle's and, you know, my stepfather. the punishment was greater than anything you can never think of. my education -- since it was a drug crime, it is going to stop my pell grant, by federal. i'm trying to get back in college. it affected that, definitely. in employment. i can't get a decent job paying good money to survive. , i've beeny career trying to go back to college. it all revolves around the same issues. in the housing -- they did not want to hear anything from me. for ally, i was homeless felony, 10 years, walked the streets just trying to survive. generalistant attorney said during dookhan's during their was no evidence that dookhan was motivated to get defendants off the streets. i want to turn to this email exchange dookhan had with the assistant use attorney john wortmann from june 10, 2009. wortmann wrote, "annie -- thanks. sorry to be so bothersome lately. but the summer approaches and we need to take some of these guys off." dookhan replies, "no

mutinied me to say what we're doing is not working for our state with the highest incarceration rate in the country so we lock people up better rate of twice the national average and is i have said time and time again it is in because our people are more sinister we know that's not the case we are comparable to those of much lower incarceration rates to uphold law or live with those consequences but as elected officials we also have an obligation to knowledge with the aspect of the government is broken when we need to find a solution. [applause] in 2015 we made a commitment to arrange a new the criminal law but one that i believed then and supported and was sitting in the chamber we felt the change to criminal-justice would have nonviolent crime and also a discussion how we can accomplish change to win hands the safety of our citizens the task force we have created as the most comprehensive study the state has ever seen those recommendations is modeled after other conservative states this includes cleaning up the code of broadening eligibility within the appropriation bill recommenda

prisons bringate up and grew as an industry because of the over incarceration i mentioned. when you have large scale policies that are going to call for more incarceration federally you are not going to be able to build space enough time to accommodate people. people were making money off of that. that is what happens in a free market society. because of the work we had been doing in trying to reduce over incarceration and overcrowding in the bureau prisons we were able to say we can move away from them. one of the ways in which we have been able to find common ground, sentencing reform. people you would not typically think we have common ground with . also, the human cost. the cost to the lives of correction officers and inmates. .nd efficiency point of view that's why it was important to us. as i mentioned before, also a number of states rely on private prisons as well. you can keep that issue alive in your state legislatures and by focusing on reasons why they are problematic. if you're going to have a correctional system you have an obligation to run it in a way that is

the vast majority of people incarcerated are at the state and local level. 2.2 million people are incarcerated. 11 million cycle through our jails on an annual asis. there is important work that can be done outside of federal government. >> thank you. could you describe president obama's management and leadership style? as a follow-up to that, did you ever tell him no and what was his reaction? valerie: i will start with the first one. that is easier. his management style is i think first of all -- it takes the long view. there were a lot of decisions he made as president that might not materialize and come to fruition for years on end. i think heart of the challenge when you are an elected official is that you tend to by necessity focus on the election cycle. there are certain things you can do right after you are elected that you can't do in an election year. your moment for bold change its limited and he always managed to say let's take the long view. there were people who encouraged him not to go forward with the affordable care act and they said save that for later, it will erode your pop

drug war, most americans don't realize we were pretty much the same globally when it comes to incarceration rates once you declare the war on drugs, 800% increase on the federal level, 500% increase on the state level. we know the racial impact of this because there's no difference between blacks and whites for using drugs. >> in fact, white people -- white people use drugs at higher rate. >> even selling of drugs of some evidence. smaller degree for white men, the realities african-americans four times more likely. worse than that, it's sort of put racial bias and manifestation of that where these things are targeted. not only are we feeling our prisons with people of color, it's poor folks, one of my heroes says, brian stevenson, justice will treat you better if you're rich and guilty than poor and innocent. addicted people, it rates at rates that are unconscienceble. treating the demand. >> is there -- i mean, is that a saleable message. >> i'm not saying you don't hold people accountable who are doing this. but, you know, i -- the tactics we've used have proven wrong in terms of dealing

. >> while we're on parole, we become females while we're on parole, we have to be incarcerated in a female prison which is not something we're looking forward to. so we remain at least biological male -- we remain biologically male as long as we're on parole. so therefore we are housed in the male gender. >> yeah. >> this is the only person i would let that's transgender into my cell. i would not allow any other transgender or homosexual into my cell. >> why not? >> because there are too many complications. too many cat fights. things like that. too many disagreements. it's hard. it's hard for us to get along with other homosexuals but we get along with each other. we can deal with each other. >> although they came in together, dee dee will have to be segregated from teaquila and the rest of general population. prior misconduct within the walls of san quentin has come back to haunt dee dee. >> i mean, i got into a fight with somebody over nothing. it turned out to be nothing. we apologized -- well, she apologized to me and it was over with. >> even though dee dee completed her locku

has the highest incarcerated population in the world. >> we don't want people to do this so we will have a really xtreme penalty if they get caught. what that penalty is if you boil it down to simple as terms, it is putting someone in cage. >> ideas on how to alleviate this are inflicted, but there is one thing unanimously agreed upon. there must be funding put into the alleviation of the crisis. huntington is beginning to put money into treatment and mitigation of addiction. >> i am really pleased to say that our state is finally coming together. we have a lot of different organizations and people that are working together to fight this epidemic. we have the people at marshall university. we have the law enforcement people, the police, the hospitals, the emergency rooms. we have a lot of people working together now. schools that we have not had before. >> if we all come together and if we all come together and help>> with funding behind some of these programs, critics, and campaigns, we can possibly cure he disease of addiction. if we tart enough of an outcry against the epidemic, we ca

in the age of mass incarceration and decided to become an peak and now i have the experience of working at stanford university. >> you for book is call: "singsal america what divides america from the world." is america unique? is america exceptional. >> guest: america is an exceptional nation. however a lot of people misfund what american exceptionalism means. people think it mains exceptional in terms of wonderful, superior, or outstanding. our, exceptional mitchell meant that american is an exception, compared to other western democracyes. for example, america is today the only western nation to still have the death penalty and lacks a universal healthcare system and these are falls sets of what american exceptionalism but they're not good or about. dems on what think about the dealt penalty of healthcare, and the polarization of american sew size. americans are clashing over a broad range after issues which are not controversial or much controversial elsewhere in the western world, such as whether people should have a basic right to health care. whether special interests should be al

today i'm the manager of campus services and i actually hire formerly incarcerated people to work at rocket space. >> the most important thing i've learned is if you treat a man as he is, he will remain as he is. if you treat a man as he can and should be, he will become as he can and should be. >> reporter: last month he spoke to the latest class of graduates of the last mile inside san quentin. this is a tough but popular program. >> i tried three times, i applied before i was accepted into the program. >> reporter: of the 20 graduates who have left prison, all of them like kinyata have found jobs. and zero have returned. except voluntarily. for "nightly business report," jane wells, san quentin. >> tomorrow night in part three of jane's series, we'll meet the warren buffett of san quentin. >>> i'm contessa brewer. thanks for watching. >> i'm tyler mathisen. see you tomorr.

also be at the green lights bookstore lisa peterson will share experiences teaching and carbonate incarcerated yout. is like the primary reason i wrote the book more people should know their stories, the incredible dedication, courage and sacrifice they made in the war that few supported and even fewer think. thanks. in the get in vietnam they did everything their country asked of them that were more and i wanted to subscribe a picture of likeness wakened through the fire zones for weeks and months at a time before seeking an elusive enemy never knowing if someone is an enemy or friendly they didn't care if. it is out of the front line we are constantly left hungry and tired and the supply would never arrive on time and we have to ration of food, ammo and water. we never had any heat for the rations were our meals and he nevewenever have any dry socks. and i hate to say that every day was pretty much the same, up at the crack of dawn to the positions about 85 pounds of gear on our backs, the areas in routes set up ambushes, stay up half the night on watch and there were many firefights in betw

ending masslk about incarceration, talks about pursuing social justice initiatives for young people, poor people, people of color. it really thinks about transforming the way in which america's democratic institutions treat poor people, marginalize people, the mentally ill, transgendered people, women, women of color, single-family households living beneath the poverty line. i think the movement has become much more expansive, but we are not seeing the same kind of mainstream media coverage, but we still see a lot of coverage in terms of social media connected to the blm movement and also police shootings of unarmed civilians around the country. "why your piece is called black lives matter still matters," and you look at the origination of the black lives matter movement, which began after the shooting of trayvon martin in florida and how it came to evolve to establish a set of policies and beliefs. what are the central set of beliefs that underscore the black lives matter movement? guest: i think the main thing is this idea of black humanity and the complexity of black humanity and