and david frum, senior editor for the atlantic. joy, it could be so beautiful if they all just moved their hands like him. i don't know. it could be a beautiful bill. >> democrats would have to pull off this magic trick without ever speaking to a republican because republicans will not only not let their own members see the bill. they certainly aren't letting democrats know what they're doing. the 13 guys that are writing it by themselves are then going to show it to a republican-only caucus. democrats are not allowed in the room. there will be no hearings. there will be no discussion, no amendments from democrats. what is it that donald trump wants them to do? maybe hold up big signs outside of the republican caucus meetings with their ideas on them? it's ridiculous. and then the second point obviously is democrats are never going to participate in something called repeal obamacare. there's no reason for them to ever do that, and they're not going to do it. >> tim, we're getting reports from inside the white house already that the

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and david frum, senior editor at the atlantic. take us through the possibilities here. and one of the things i want to consider as we approach this, jeff sessions may already be a subject of the special prosecutor's investigation, possibly for perjury in testifying to the senate, or possibly involving his possible russian connections. it is -- is it possible that jeff sessions tonight has to worry that if he participates in the firing of the special prosecutor, that could add a obstruction of justice risk to him in what could become any investigation that follows that? investigation that follows that? >> well, as you know, attorney general sessions recused himself from anything having to do with the investigation into russian interference in the 2016 presidential election. for him to unrecuse himself and to participate in any decision to dismiss the special counsel i think would place him at extraordinary personal legal jeopardy. so i cannot imagine, no matter how loyal he may be to donald trump that he would be the one to step into that at his own personal legal peril.

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you're staying with me, but joining everyone is david frum, senior editor for the atlantic and stephen bril, founder of yale journalism initiative. and you were chuckling i think is a fair description. >> fair to say. >> when said that he is giving fodder to perhaps the legal case against him. i think everyone that works in communications is well aware of how he steps on his own message and undermines his paid spokespeople. is he also now hurting his own legal defense? >> well, probably. i think we may be failing to recognize two important things. the first is as everybody knows donald trump's message is donald trump. that's what he cares about. he doesn't understand health care policy. doesn't understand technology. and it really shouldn't surprise us that the message he wants to stay on is donald trump. now, then if you look at the legal case, i think one way to think about the legal case is this may be the one instance where the crime is worse than the cover-up. we always tend to say, gee, the cover-up is what got this guy into trouble. if nixon hadn't covered up he'd be okay. that'

joining us now are david frum, senior editor for the atlantic. renato marriotty, former assistant attorney for the northern district of illinois and he has prosecuted in federal obstruction of justice cases. and john harwood, editor at large for cnbc. on this question of executive privilege, courts have recognized a president's constitutional right to keep his discussions a secret in most cases. does that go for the fbi director that he fired in his own wos to stop him investigating donald trump and his campaign? >> well, certainly the president could -- could ask mr. comey not to testify as to certain subjects. and mr. comey could comply with that request if he wanted to. i suspect he might. if he didn't, however, it's hard to see how the administration could force mr. comey not to testify about certain subjects. it would be completely unprecedented. and the only way that they could do that would literally be to go to court and seek an injunction from a federal court to prevent him from testifying. >> to stay with you for just one second, i want

as the rest of the world was waking up to the news, david frum was busy writing his sermon -- but he id would be amusing if it wasn't so gross. concealed permit carry for a rifle? virginia does require a background check to buy a gun. frum was not alone. in a morning statement, virginia governor terry mcauliffe claimed 93 million people die every day in america, thanks to guns. 93 million. that is more than a third of the country murdered every day of the calendar year. the governor said that multiple times. now, of course, this is what happens when ignorant liberals talk about firearms. but it misses the point entirely. what happened today isn't horrifying because it was gun violence, it's horrifying because it was political violence and it threatens the basic stability of our country. that is why shooting a congressman for party affiliation is worse than killing a man in a bar because he hit on your wife. they are both horrifying but only one could lead to civil war. only the hard left understand this. that is why they support it because it could lead to the disillusion of a country

as the rest of the world was waking up to the news, david frum was busy writing his sermon -- but he id would be amusing if it wasn't so gross. concealed permit carry for a rifle? virginia does require a background check to buy a gun. frum was not alone. in a morning statement, virginia governor terry mcauliffe claimed 93 million people die every day in america, thanks to guns. 93 million. that is more than a third of the country murdered every day of the calendar year. the governor said that multiple times. now, of course, this is what happens when ignorant liberals talk about firearms. but it misses the point entirely. what happened today isn't horrifying because it was gun violence, it's horrifying because it was political violence and it threatens the basic stability of our country. that is why shooting a congressman for party affiliation is worse than killing a man in a bar because he hit on your wife. they are both horrifying but only one could lead to civil war. only the hard left understand this. that is why they support it because it could lead to the disillusion of a country

>> joining the discussion now, david frum, senior editor for the atlantic, and john heilemann, nationalrs analyst for msnbc. david, on important historical nights like this, i just want to give you a free open field to set for us what it is we saw today. >> well, i think what we saw was the collapse of all of the explanations and excuses that the president's team has been making over the past couple of days, anticipating this. testimony. the president's team has been saying their great vindication was that in january, when the fbi director met with the president, the president asked him, hey, this big espionage inquiry you're having, am i at this time one of the targets of the investigation. the fbi said no, sir, you are not personally a target of this espionage investigation we're doing. and the president says that's great, i'm fine. so it was just my campaign, then, not me personally. there is no problem. that's the vindication. and the president's lawyer is today now saying actually, we're giving up even on that. and we are going to say our defense is that james comey, because of som

we're happy to have as well david frum speechwriter for george w. bush appear a senior editor at atlantic rgs. this is a deeply single conversation because it leaves out the people who are the customers and bosses in american politics, the constituents, the people who need and want health care and are nervous about it. but, if you're the democrats do you continue to just watch this and stay away as not to own it? >> well, i mean here the problem. it is a broken process, right... you know there probably are enough democrats if republican -- with mitch mcconnell and enough other republicans would come to the table and make compromising to in fact tweak obamacare and make obamacare work better which by the way was once upon a time a republican idea. but the problem is politicly they would pay a heavy price. particularly in the gerry mannedered district what is best for the american people ultimately becomes politicly problematic. particularly when you have a base of the republican party, you know who hates obama a and his legacy so much that you know r

and david frum, senior editor for the atlantic. john, who in the white house who would he take advice from on this issue of should we invoke executive privilege on james comey or not? >> i believe your question and your lead up to the question answer themselves, lawrence. i think the reality is the president right now on these matters is taking advice from only one person, and that's donald trump. i think that the fight that you suggest would be his political best interest, which is the fight over executive privilege in court is not the fight that donald trump wants. the fight that donald trump wants is a fight with jim comey. and to extend this battle through sort of executive privilege, to have that stretch out for months does not give him what he instinctively wants. he does not believe his presidency is on the way to being over. he does not believe he is going to be impeached. he thinks he is going to be president for four years, maybe eight years. the way to get that is to have the fight he believes he will win. he has seen in

david frum and lachlan markay, thank you both for joining us. i really appreciate it. >>> coming up, new york attorney general eric schneiderman will join us. but first, deputy attorney general rod rosenstein. will he have to recuse himself? that is the bombshell question that ended "the rachel maddow show" last night. we're going to try to answer that tonight. award winning interface. award winning design. award winning engine. the volvo xc90. the most awarded luxury suv of the century. visit your volvo dealer to take advantage of our midsommar sales event offer. will you be ready when the moment turns romantic? cialis for daily use treats ed and the urinary symptoms of bph. tell your doctor about your medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, or adempas® for pulmonary hypertension, as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess. to avoid long-term injury, get medical help right away for an erection lasting more than four hours. if you

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in fact, many of the conservative commentators that i follow, like max boot or david frum, who are from the conservative side of the spectrum, or people on the democratic side of the spectrum, really believe that this sanctions issue is something that putin wanted that trump may have promised to deliver on. that's a piece we don't necessarily know. and now the russians are kinda demanding, "look, you didn't do this," right? and now they're starting to sort of lash out a bit at him. for instance, in the meeting that he had in the white house with kislyak, and with foreign minister lavrov, he appeared to be sort of trying to report back to them and saying, "look, i fired comey. now that takes the pressure off the russia investigation." lauren: we're just about out of time. mitchell orenstein, thank you so much for joining us. mitchell: all right, thank you very much. lauren: the white house had not denied reports that jared kushner sought to set up secret channels of communication with russian officials. his lawyers say he is willing to talk to investigators about his foreign contacts and

kornell and working on both president obama's campaign and a number of senates in the democrats and david frume days a senior editor at the atlantic. it leaves out people who are the bosses. the people who need and want healthcare and scribnnervous ab. but, if you are democrats, do you continue to watch this and stay away as not to own it? >> well, here is the problem. it is a broken process, right? >> we have this thing where it is a majority of the majority. i think that does not work for the american people. but, the problem is politically, they would pay a heavy price for it and typically in the gerrymandering democratic, what's best for the american people often becomes politically problematic and typically when you have a base of the republican party, you know hates obama and his legacy, so much that repealing this and wiping this away becomes important for the based republican party. however, in reality, it is really tough to repeal obamacare and replace it with something else. i am amused by the republicans. >> mike brown. >> what he says right now is better than obamacare, if it is be

and so i'm thinking here, for example 0, the atlantic monthly, david frum. max boot, people who say -- writing very loudly the most interesting and important things about our new president. they're saying, for example, the is not a conservative. he is a radical reaction area. he has no loyalty to traditional institutions. in fact he is ignorant of our most important document, the u.s. constitution. seems to dislike it and is frustrated constantly because the judiciary is checking him, and under the system of checks and balances. the more i see this, the more i have become a real fan of the us constitution and the judiciary. one officer my bumper sticker wood be, have you hugged a federal judge today? so, find myself -- those principled conservatives who are operating on the facts of the case i am finding very interesting. i'm also looking for people who are willing to criticize their own side. so, for example, if you are critical of a congressional candidate knocking down a reporter, which you should beer, should be equally critical of college students preve

reaction to the day's events from republicans, from a republican perspective with george will and david frumremembers well the watergate investigation and the parallels that has with the trump investigation. why does the investigation go next? we will ask congressman squallwell of the house intelligence committee and mika owe yang a former staffer of the house intelligence committee. we will have that and more this thursday night here at the last word. our live coverage continues now into "the 11th hour," with brian williams. >> breaking tonight, two bombshell reports on trump and the russia investigation. the "new york times" reporting james comey told the attorney general not to leave him alone with the president. the "washington post" revealing donald trump asked his director of national intelligence to intervene in comey's investigation. >>> and a grim assessment of a fuming, seething, infuriated, and defiant president trump. that and much more from the reporters breaking the news font as "the 11th hour" gets underway. well, good evening once again from our headquarters here in new york.

wasted no time trying to score political points from the shootings, blogger and twitter buffoon david frumay have been the quickest to the scene, as the rest of the country was waking up to the horror of mixing. "virginia, no background checks, licensing, no registration, no permit required for concealing up carried long guns come up and carry long guns, and handguns." it would be funny if it wasn't so gross and absurd, a concealed carry permit for a rifle? what does that look like? by the way, virginia does require a background check to buy a gun. he was not alone. in a warning statement, virginia governor terry mcauliffe claimed that 93 million people die every single day in this country thanks to gun violence. 93 million? more than a third of the country murdered every day of the calendar year? the governor said that multiple times. this is what happens when ignorant liberals talk about firearms but it misses the point anyway. what happened today isn't horrifying because it was gun violence. it's horrifying because it was political violence. therefore, it threatens the basic stability o

we have david frum, senior editor and matt, formerly with george w. bush. this morning that the media has it wrong that he's not deeply involved, that he knows healthcare well and he just wants the united states to win. nobody questions that last proposition. hopefully every president wants the united states to win. do you believe that that is a true appraisal, what the president said or is it much more what susan collins was suggesting, this is him out of his depth and nobody is saying he's driving this process? >> generally compliments are more convincing when they come from other people rather than yourself. in this case, i don't think the problem is donald trump's lack of knowledge or understanding of the healthcare. the republicans were trying to do something just too hard. doing something too ideology. this one is worn less by the president and more by the house and senate leadership. you do not take benefits away from tens of millions of people. i wrote that in 2010. i wrote that with the bill in the house and will be writing it through this year. th

david frum agrees with her saying special prosecutor not the answer, inquiry focused on criminal conduct, wait to answer questions swirling around trump and associates independent commission, select committee or commission isn't barred looking at earlier events. and independent commission seeks the truth. at this point, sarah, and you've studied authoritarian before, legislature doing performance of investigation and don't have any intention doing a real one do you have faith independent commission could be stood up that could to better? >> it's not a matter of faith but demanding accountability, which is why we're marching today. i agree with those assessments. i've been saying since november we need nonpartisan investigatity investigation. americans as they have been doing all along will likely take matters spoke their own hand in terms of journalism, leaks from people in our government who are concerned about our national sovereignty, concerned about national security. there's nothing that will stop people from pursuing the truth. it's a matter whether our own officials are accountabl