however, andy carney saying at times now the chief of staff not returning messages, that it could takeays or weeks sometimes from very high-level outreaches and the reporting being it's easier to reach the president. that's another question when you look at the chief of staff. how effective he is at the moment based on the number of fires he has to deal with. >> well, you know, i wonder about that. he has very much tried to streamline everything. almost to the point of micromanaging, i've heard. just whatever trump -- whatever comes across trump's desk, whoever has meetings with limb. what he tries to say. he's tried to basically do what everybody else has not done very successfully, which is try to control trump's atmosphere, try to control trump. i think at the end of the day that will backfire on him because, one, it's really hard to micromanage and certainly if it isn't a regular job where you have a lot of people under you, certainly when you're running the white house of the ults of america, so that's going to be harder for him i think. and once that starts to happen and it becom