they have relationships withm. and it makes it so much harder to strike a deal. they would rather work with somebody they know, dderstand rust than to be put in a volatile situations where they don't know we president is going to do and who the chief of staff is going to be. >>hat i found striking is that you had rob shaw from the podium acknowledging that this situation had been mishandled.hn elly put out a statement when the first news reports came out saying that he had absolute faith in rob porter and then the very next day essentially walking that back. and so the president was very frustrated by the way that this was frustrated. and so you have publicl and privately these frustrations boiling over. ai have to say beingthe white house this week has to be one of the most volatile weeks because of this rob porter upheaval since the very early days when people were leaving. on friday we had resignations and ousters. it felt very tense. robert: rob porter wasn't jus another aid. he was someone who controlled the paper flow. clean cut. the senior advisor to the p

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you don't have to believe in socialism to understand how capitalism functions now, tax withm is functioning disadvantages of working class people. can bring class solidarity, but i don't want to do that at the expense of racial denial. really quickly, i think robin kelly's work speaks well -- thepotential to be socialist, hominis, solidarity realm of working-class identity -- that race and class being iniculated rather well certain parts and united states in the 1930's, that black communist in the south were racismating this axis of and they were also able to articulate their belief and god. not necessarily being communist and atheist, but perhaps that brand or strand of socialism or communism is indigenous to the united states, and doesn't necessarily have to look back something we have seen overseas. with our ownkoning particularities on racism, and i think it has been done before and it can be done again. ted: i would add that a lot of duboisfor example, turned to cognizant and of his life, but this was a turn to a totem -- dubois turned communism towards the end of his life. and so, if