. >> michael hayden has been on the show, and he uses the example of sarajevo that fell apart. do you worry about where this is heading for us? >> sure, i think you see it in schools where you have kids that are getting bullied more. you have it in public dialogue. you have this sense with donald trump that you are listening to the nixon tapes. public, there is not a filter there. what is he going to say next. what is hoing to do. the role of the president has to be to set a higher standard.has aspire to. historically, it has always been. now a lot of times in the pub c private life they didn't hold up to that. the presidency stands for aspirationally what is the best of us. and it's really unrtunate. >> there is something about the repetition that the president does effectively, after a time, it normalizes everything. witch hunt, yeah, lyin' ted, or crooked hillary, whatever it is. >> that is an important point. because you should be careful to what you get used to. and if we get accustomed to this and shrug our shoulders and say, well, this is trump. we have to be careful of