it's fairly easy to spoof location online using vpns. at a certain point to make this effective, we would have to target vpns used by human rights. >> you would have to do what this is. >> target vpns used in places like russia, china, iran. at times with american encouragement, to be able to practice free speech of our own. at what point do we decide that tradeoff is worth it for the west. >> anyone want to comment on that? that's a good question. >> it really is a tradeoff. there are costs to doing that. even though there are benefits, just as with the bot question. that's what democratic governments are to do. they're supposed to address the hard questions, freedom, security, democratic process and the rule of law. i don't have a complete answer to that particular technical question, but that's what we have to do. we can't throw one thing under the bus in the name of protecting democracy. i lean towards saying we have to save the democratic system first so i would lean towards, unfortunately, dealing with the vpns. i've seen in many o

it is fairly easy to spoof locations online using vpn. at a certain point to make this effective we would have to target the vpn. virtual private network, used in places like russia, china, iran, at times with american encouragement in order to be able to practice free speech of their own. at what point do we decide that is for the worst or the best? >> any comments? that's a good question.>> it really is a trade-off, there are costs to doing that and even though there are benefits as with the other question, that is what democracies democratic government is supposed to do, they're supposed to address the hard questions of freedom, security, democratic process and the rule of law. i don't have a straight answer to that particular question but that is what we've got to do. we can't throw one thing under the bus in the name of protecting democracy but we have to do it all. i lean toward saying we have to save the democratic system first so i would lean toward unfortunately, dealing with the vpn, i've seen in many of the era of awakening for

it's fairly easy to spoof location online using vpns. at a certain point we then have -- to make this effective, we would have to target vpns, virtual private networks, which are used by activists in places like russia, china and iran, at times, with american encouragement to be able to practice free speech of their own. so at what point do we decide that tradeoff is worth it for the west? host: anyone want to comment on that? it's a good question. >> simply say, you asked the right question. it really is a tradeoff. there are costs to doing that. and even though there are benefits just as with the bots question. so, you know, that's what democracies, democratic governments are supposed to do. they're supposed to address the hard questions, freedom, security, democratic process and rule of law. i don't have a compr to that particular technical question, but that is what we have to do. we can't throw one thing under the bus in the name of protecting democracy, we have to do it all. natalie: i lean towards saying, we have to save the democ

hotspot shield is more than just a vpn. it protects against a number of different online threats.ne is that it makes your ip address anonymous. it also encrypts public wi-fi if you're connecting to the web connecting at a public location. malware is a lot more robust on -- it is a lot more robust on mobile. and works very well. emily: quickly, david kirkpatrick, is this something you see taking on more broadly among u.s. and global users? david k.: i think the thing gaining a lot of interest in the tech industry. there is this idea that users should be paid for their data instead of having it taken from them and used to target advertising. there is an extraordinary explosion on people working on systems that might allow people to somehow monetize their own data rather than have facebook do it for them. i do not think it is inconceivable that facebook could do that as well. emily: david kirkpatrick and david gorodyansky, thank you both. coming up, a question that has been asked for years. is facebook finally running out of new users? we will discuss. this is bloomberg. ♪ emily: thi

when we learned about the vpn filter, and the russians -- the routers have been compromised. consumers know nothing about it. there wondering if they were affected and how to take action that the isps have a responsibility about known vulnerability? >> we do want to ensure that they have the information they need about security. legally i would have to look into it. i would hope that they would inform -- >> is the fcc doing anything to encourage isps to inform customers about this? of out there routers being compromised? >> i'm a little circumspect on this issue. i can't comment on things that might have some classification -- we would be happy to work with you. mac is the fcc doing anything to help customers understand the routers? >> we do monitor the equipment. we work with the industry to make sure -- >> do you think the fcc has a role to protect consumers from the cyber security threat? >> i also think our equipment authorization -- those routers have to be authorized and use radio frequencies -- they will notify consumers that malware or the risk -- >> the gao has commi

so, say you have a second order of people with cell phones and they have vpn private satellite communications verses cell phone towers, what does that imply in terms of making privacy affordable and accessible to the public consumer? >> i think this question is sort of very reminiscent of the question before, the first question i was asked. in the end communication requires this. if you use the 4 web browser, browse through ip, through this proxy, this proxy, this proxy, the data has to get there. it is just a matter of how far do you want it? it is certainly conceivable that you start coming up with these, but it lot will happen over the internet, like i was sort of answering before, if you don't want to get tracked, go on wi-fi. use google voice, i mean, google protects your privacy or facebook for that matter. that is a question for a whole different group of people. but, yeah, i think there are already ways to do it. i don't know that it is necessarily going to be a value as for the cell phone companies to start routing you all over the place, if you can just do it over wi-fi, over the in

and you can communicate using a vpn when you are on wifi. very smart thing you can do. and you can, this is for you, friends and family, other people in your law firm, the people you might know, clients, etc. you could also not bring your phone with you, which also might be turning your phone off for putting it in some kind of blocking case, or a device that will change it up. and the last thing, we are creatures of habit, but if you have your phone on and change your location that you go to, we learned about locations and 95% identifying you as a user or a human being -- yeah, switch up where you go. so let's dive in. we have been talking about location data and privacy. we have an assumption this is totally normal that everywhere we go should be, that we have these tracking devices on is constantly known as cell phones, so everywhere we go the information should be collected. there is no reason why that information is not destroyed immediately. there is a quality of service argument for maybe a few hours, but then it does not need to be archived in any way. that is my

and you can communicate using a vpn when you are on wifi. and you can, this is for you, friends and family, other people in your law firm, the people you might know, clients, etc. you could also not bring your phone with you, which also might be turning your phone off for putting it in some kind of blocking case, or a device that will change it up. and the last thing, we are creatures of habit, but if you have your phone on and change your location that you go to, we learned about locations and 95% identifying you as a user or a human being -- yeah, switch up where you go. so let's live in. -- dive in. we have been talking about location data and privacy. we have an assumption this is totally normal that everywhere we go should be, that we have these tracking devices on is constantly known as cell phones, so everywhere we go the information should be collected. so i think we should probably begin by thinking critically about that and challenging at. there is no reason why that information is not destroyed immediately. there is a quality of s

chairman pai, it's been two we learned about the vpn filter, russian link malware that can be used to steal information and block network traffic. thousands or more routers have been compromised yet consumers either know it or they've been left wondering if their router to taketed and how action. these are routers lended from isp's. isp's have athat responsibility to inform routers about no one vulnerabilities? chairman pai: we want to ensure that consumers get the need.ation they isp's havey: do the responsibility? chairman pai: i would hope they consumers.m is the f.c.c. doing anything to help consumers update their routers? chairman pai: i have to be a little bit circumspect on this issue. comment on things that have classification but we'd be happy to work with you. mcnerny: is the f.c.c. doing anything to protect customers from issues with routers? chairman pai: we do monitor equipment.hreats to rep mcnerney: commissioner rosenworcel, do you think the in protectingole consumers from cybersecurity threats? com. rosenworcel: yes, i also equipment authorization process is of note. t

chairman pai, it's been two months since we learned about the vpn filter and whether it can be used to steal information, exploit devices, block network traffic. thousands or more routers have been compromised and consumers either know nothing about it or they been left wondering if their router is affected and how to take action andthese are matters that are being rendered from their isps but do you agree that they have a responsibility to inform consumers , at least with regards to unknown vulnerabilities? >> we do want to ensure that consumers get the information that they need . >> they have a responsibility here? >> i would have to look into it but as a business matter i would hope they would and confirm consumers. >> is the fcc doing anything to encourage isps to inform consumers about this malware? >> .. do you think the fcc has a role of protecting consumers from cyber security threat. >> yes, i also think our equipment authorization process is of note here. the routers have to be authorized by the agency because they use radio frequency. we can look into using or part 15 proce

so you have a second order of people who own cell phones, they have vpn's, private satellites vs. cell phone towers. what does that imply in terms of making privacy affordable and accessible to the public consumer? prof. isaacman: this question is sort of very reminiscent of the russian before, the first --stion that i was asked, the question before, the first question that i was asked. end, communication requires location. ip through this proxy, through this proxy, through this proxy. the data has to get through. it is just a matter of how far you want to. and it is certainly conceivable that you start coming up with the sort of proxies, but a lot of them to happen over the internet. like i was sort of answering before, if you don't want to get trapped, go on wi-fi. use whatsapp, use google voice, insofar as google protects your privacy, or facebook, for that matter. that is a question for a whole different group of people. [laughs] yeah, iaacman: but think there are already ways to do it. i do not know that it is necessarily going to be a value add for the cell phone company to

commissioners thank you for your work it can't be easy but chairman pai it has been two months in the vpnfilter to be used with information for devices to block traffic and hundreds of thousands of routers compromised but consumers have been left wondering if their router is affected or how to take action and these are routers from the isp so do you. they have a responsibility to inform consumers about known for their abilities? >> we do want to ensure they get the information that they need. >> do they have a responsibility? >> legally we have to look into it as a general business matter i hope that they would inform consumers. >> is the fcc doing anything to encourage isps and how to update their routers if they have been compromised? >> congressman i cannot comment on things that could have classification to them. but we would be happy to work with you to provide information that we can. >> are you doing anything at all to help customers remove malware from their routers? to make those are conditions i cannot discuss but we do monitor threats to equipment and to the industry to make su

when we learned about the vpn filter, and the russians -- the routers have been compromised. consumers know nothing about it. there wondering if they were affected and how to take action that the isps have a responsibility about known vulnerability? >> we do want to ensure that they have the information they need about security. legally i would have to look into it. i would hope that they would inform -- >> is the fcc doing anything to encourage isps to inform customers about this? of out there routers being compromised? >> i'm a little circumspect on this issue. i can't comment on things that might have some classification -- we would be happy to work with you. mac is the fcc doing anything to help customers understand the routers? >> we do monitor the equipment. we work with the industry to make sure -- >> do you think the fcc has a role to protect consumers from the cyber security threat? >> i also think our equipment authorization -- those routers have to be authorized and use radio frequencies -- they will notify consumers that malware or the risk -- >> the gao has commi

so, say you have a second order of people who own cell phones and they have vpn private satellite communications versus cell phone towers. what does that imply in terms of making privacy affordable and accessible to the public consumer? >> i think this -- this question is sort of very reminiscent of the question before, the first question that i was asked. in the end, communication requires location. if you use the tour web browser, right, it routes your ip through this proxy, through this proxy, through this proxy, ultimately the data has to get to you, right? it's just a matter of how far do you want to obfuscate this. and it is certainly conceivable that you start coming up with these sort of proxies, but a lot of that's just going to happen over the internet, like i was sort of answering before, if you don't want to get tracked, go on wi-fi, right? use what's app. use google voice. i mean, insofar as google protects your privacy or facebook for that matter. that's a question for a whole different group of people. but yeah. i think there are already ways to do it. i don't know that it's neces