counterterrorism security office thank you. well i think if we can update our viewers on the number of. the latest numbers coming from the russian city up here is where there was a mass shooting at a school at a technical college now we said earlier that the latest number of those people killed as a result of this incident stands at seventeen and now there are theories that this number may arise in the future we know that over forty people are in hospitals now and according to the latest information coming from the local emergency services sixteen people remain in serious condition and are being operated on as we speak now that's the latest numbers coming from that city after it was shaken by the tragic incident yet happened today. according to the technical college season of some of the pictures we've received throughout the afternoon for the students and colleges and wrote something like a thousand students every year. seventy three members of staff or so work there and so you can imagine it was there were parts classrooms an

s national counterterrorism security office you must have come under very sensitive situations like this what is the response the governments go through to try i mean obviously this is a very almost a unique situation i guess but what's really unique actually and what's so what's that well how do you deal with something like this that. well i mean i'm a policeman not a diplomat but what i say is that when you if you go to a country that there are going of peace as we are having at the moment with the russians don't forget and i think the worrying thing for the world is that more countries are are thinking that they can go to other countries and commit murders i mean that. the standing state of affairs so i think from a worldwide perspective we need to get to grips with this and make sure that there are sanctions or whatever is needed to prevent this from happening again i don't see any easy end to this but. i think turkey and saudi really need to get together and sort something out no easy end is what chris phillips has let me bring in you had a well. you've heard what both i guess have

national counterterrorism security office and i asked imagine chris you were listening very closely and perhaps in a slightly different way to most of us you're probably listening out for any new details of this investigation did you pick up on anything. no not really i think laura that was really a strategic. political speech where he basically laid out all the things that we can a new already through leaks so or so you could say that is official is that in some respects and also the interesting aspect about you know the local people that may have been involved that they'd like to speak to of course but of course what we've made now what we need very much is the people that are involved to be interviewed by the investigators in probably in ankara and i don't think the saudis are going to want that to happen so we may actually come to a bit of a dead end with this with this inquiry but of course erdogan is going to keep this a law if the whole world is watching him today his parliament as we watch he's being what he is on the world stage so he's the big winner in all this as well that h

national counterterrorism security office good to have you with us does speculation but warnings could be crucial evidence that president obama could live in at this point in time. well i think what we've seen actually up until now is is leaks in order to keep the world's interest in this case going and what we're going to see today is what appears to be more detail around how the murder was was was done and it appears to have been planned and the one thing with say about this is if you're going to do it make sure that someone's not watching and it appears that the the are certainly watching this and have done a really detailed investigation and interesting to see how the how they've done i mean perhaps it won't be leaked but certainly what evidence i've got of the actual incident inside but that the forensics around that and then obviously the one thing that they really need to do the next stage is to investigate by interviewing people when you look at what has been leaked so far and what the turks say they know with these audioboo and video recordings which you say this is a very bad

s national counterterrorism security office a special does know why i might be revealing all now talking three weeks off because he was killed and it was very early on that the turks said they had conclusive evidence of what happened with audio and video footage so why now might they reveal everything of the investigation. hello laurie yes it is interesting i think what we've seen up until now is bits released into the public aid to keep the media happy because you do need information to keep the world's press. so to speak but also i think they've managed to put together actually what happened and don't forget this is that three weeks ago most of this incident happened within twenty four hours so what we're looking at is to do the investigation they've been trying to work out exactly where the murder took place how the body may have been disposed off so to speak and who was responsible so it would take a little while to get it together and i think i think it is sensible for them to take time over this. if we believe what's happened then he was told man was dead within within hours of him

arabia in london joining us on skype chris phillips the former head of the national counterterrorism security office in the u.k. and subtile holes there he is a lecturer at the city of bristol college in the u.k. welcome to all of you let me start with you the new york times claims that actually high shows was killed inside the consulate and that those orders came from the highest levels of the royal court how credible is that for you. i'm not sure yet about if he was killed or kidnapped. yet but it's true it's very clear to us after the release of the fifteen member the names of these. of this team that two of them at least. person the bodyguards over mohamed bizzle among the crown prince so this is looks to me from looking at the names that this was not even an intelligence operation because this is a hodgepodge of sabbahi guards here and some doctor from the minister of the interior and some other people who even one of them works in the in the in the in the special forces in the army so this was not an intelligence professional operation and i think that's why they have a lot of a lot of evidenc

arabia in london joining us on skype chris phillips the former head of the national counterterrorism security office in the u.k. and somebody who has there he is a lecturer at the city of bristol college in the u.k. welcome to all of you let me start with you the new york times claims that actually high shows was killed inside the consulate and that those orders came from the highest levels of the royal court how credible is that for you. i'm not sure yet about of us killed or kidnapped. yet but it's true it's very clear to us after the release of the fifteen member the names of these. of this team that two of them at least. person the bodyguards over mohamed bizzle among the crown prince so this is looks to me from looking at the names that this was not even an intelligence operation because this is a hodgepodge of sabbahi guards here and some doctor from the minister of the interior and some other people who even one of them works in the in the in the in the special forces in the army so this was not an intelligence professional operation and i think that's why they have a lot of a lot of evidence

national counterterrorism security office and a specialist on crime scene investigation chris welcome back so we understand they found the same kind of evidence in the to locations one of those locations is the consul general zz residence his home the other is the consulate building speculate for us what that might be is this d.n.a. . well certainly it indicates that the two buildings are linked and of course we don't know exactly what they found i mean we're we're getting leaks at the moment from the turkish government which really isn't good enough i wouldn't have thought but certainly if you've got the two buildings linked that means that the people that were in one were also in the other that means that you can quite safely say really the buildings are are part of the and and the body almost certainly moved to the second building i think the important thing here is that we look at the next stage and the next stage is really about a find in the body let's have a look at the body and i'm sure the turkish police want to look at the body see how it was killed i mean whether the toxins

national counterterrorism security officer the crime scene investigation specialist nice to have you with us again chris. two weeks give me an investigation two weeks after the fact plus the fact that we've seen clean is going in the building as well i mean what hope of finding anything well very little to be honest kemal what i would say is in any ordinary investigation pretty much everyone that been in that embassy been in the residence would have been arrested quite simply they would have been arrested and they would have been interviewed and then you would start to get some of the stories on top of that of course you would have friends expanded inside the buildings inside the vehicle inside the airplanes perhaps that have been used so so all this has not been done which makes the investigation very very difficult i would imagine that the that some possibly the u.s. probably know a little bit more about this than has been brought into the into the press but even so the chances of any of this ever come into some form of a trial is very unlikely but still unless they get to see the

arabia in london joining us on skype chris phillips the former head of the national counterterrorism security office in the u.k. and somebody who has there he is a lecturer at the city of bristol college in the u.k. welcome to all of you let me start with you the new york times claims that actually high shows was killed inside the consulate and that those orders came from the highest levels of the royal court how credible is that for you. i'm not sure yet about if he was killed or kidnapped. but it's true it's very clear to us after the release of the fifteen member the names of these. of this team that two of them at least. personal bodyguards over mohamed bizzle among the crown prince so this is looks to me from looking at the names that this was not even an intelligence operation because this is a hodgepodge of sabbahi guards here and some doctor from the ministry of the interior and some other people who even one of them works in the in the in the in the special forces in the army so this was not an intelligence professional operation and i think that's why they have a lot of a lot of evidence a

s national counterterrorism security officer as a crime scene investigation specialist nice to see you again chris we are going to go over some of the ground we spoke about earlier but i still think it is very interesting especially as i keep making this point two weeks later and only now we're seeing an investigation happening twelve hours worth of searching at the consulate building yesterday would you hold any hope of those investigators be able to find anything two weeks. while not a great deal of hope particularly if people have gone in and clean the site they may well find alternate ends but of course any good investigation the first thing that you're looking for is to contain and and hold the scene and then put your friends people through it but also you need to have the body and at the moment there's no body because the body's the thing that will give away most secrets i think whether it's poison has been use whether it's a garden whether it's a knife whatever all these things will give you this give you some clues as to what actually happened and of course that's not available

arabia in london joining us on skype chris phillips the former head of the national counterterrorism security office in the u.k. and somebody who is there he is a lecturer at the city of bristol college in the u.k. welcome to all of you and elaborate let me start with you that the new york time claims that actually high shows he was killed inside the consulate and that those orders came from the highest levels of the royal court how credible is that for you . i'm not sure yet about if he was killed or kidnapped. yet but it's true it's very clear to us after the release of the fifteen member the names of these. of this team that two of them at least a person the bodyguards over mohamed bizzle among the crown prince so this is looks to me from looking at the names that this was not even an intelligence operation because this is a hodgepodge of sabbahi guards here and some doctor from the minister of the interior and some other people who even one of them works in the in the in the in the special forces in the army so this was not an intelligence professional operation and i think that's why they have

national counterterrorism security office chris welcome back to the news our program here on al-jazeera what if anything new did we learn from history about the investigation and the inquiry. well i think what it did it official eyes the story so far we've had leaks and we've had information coming out and coming directly from the president in his parliament that should mean something i didn't actually expect. video to be played in that speech it would have been unusual to do so that's what you need to keep below the surface if you want in order to question the suspects if they've got as an example audio of the people committing the murder then they will have been able to link that audio with the people so they will know exactly who that was so so if you're going to do a proper investigation you wouldn't you wouldn't broadcast this moment and not quite as other bits of this investigation that are quite interesting especially you know the if this doesn't been mentioned very very well that the guy that went the body double up went for a walk in the man's clothes i mean if he had the man's

national counterterrorism security officer who's been with us today and actually the last couple of days as we watch this investigation unfold chris i know it's difficult from a distance as we all are watching and hearing secondhand information but what sort of picture you building up now this second search going on now of the consulate itself as well as the consul general's residence. well i think it's quite interesting that both both of being searched i mean that will elicit some information i'm sure it seems to me that it's already know pretty much what's going on what they're doing now is confirming what's what's happened i think the most important thing though is that they get hold of the people who actually are alleged to have done it those are the people that need to be spoken to under it you know interviewed by the police whether it's turkish police or whether it's an international police force to to actually work out what they did how they did it and why they did it and who gave them permission to do it and i think we have to assume to a degree that they met that may not happen

residence as well and with us now in london chris phillips former head of the national counterterrorism security office you've been with us for the last couple of days watching this unfold chris i know we're doing this from a distance we're not there we're not privy to a lot of information but from everything you see about how this investigation is going what do you actually make of it especially the fact that it is fifteen days and it's taking quite so long for there to be the action actually in the crime scenes. well i think the whole point of this is it the whole investigation is unparalleled you just don't have murders in embassies certainly not that anyone's ever heard of before so so it's really difficult for the turks to to deal with i mean they know a lot more than they're letting on actually the turks i think they in the fullness of time they will they will give a much fuller account of this but of course what we've got now is a series of crime scenes including the embassy itself the consul general zz building which has been searched now twelve hours by the way to search that is not not a lot

> in the wake of that rampage, police in los angeles and in new york are securing houses of worship with counterterrorism officers. and police will also secure a prayer vigil in pittsburgh tonight. jon? jon: jackie, thank you. >>> meantime, a community is mourning today's tragic loss of life, holding a vigil to remember the victims. matt fin in pittsburgh now with the latest. matt? >> jon, it is a heavy and emotional scene here right now. thousands of people have come together to stand outside in the cold rain, in the main street corridor of the squirrel hill neighborhood. there are so many people that they have basically now filled an entire intersection preparing for this vigil. we're actually standing on the property of the presbyterian church, where inside there are hundreds more preparing for a ceremony there, and then everyone will gather outside here for the vigil, where we expect speakers and live music. we're just around the block from the synagogue where the travesty took place earlier today, and organizers of this vigil said that they chose to come to this location because it's the center of the squirr

here with us to discuss, cnn national security analyst samantha vinograd and counterterrorism officerf beady. thank you for being here. let me start pretty broadly here with you, samantha. do you see here from a national security standpoint something that should change that we learned over the last week? >> i think what should change is the divisiveness coming straight from the white house. i will get this from a national security and global perspective. i think vladimir putin's thinking i bet on the right horse in 2016. even a terrorist attack against a president's predecessor, against the office of presidency is a divisive issue for this president. he is using it to pit democrats against republicans, he is assailing our first amendment rights, we work here at cnn, we were attacked and he blames the media. he is undercutting the law enforcement community by pedaling a conspiracy theory yesterday or the day before whether the bomb threat was in fact real. for all of those reasons, the president looks like the divider in chief rather than using this as unifying moment which signals tha

>> in the wake of the rampage, police in los angeles and in new york are securing houses of worship with counterterrorism officersand police will also be securing a prayer vigil in pittsburgh tonight. arthel? arthel: jackie, thank you, jackie. eric? eric: arthel, we're right now awaiting for remarks from president trump, attending a campaign rally in illinois. earlier at a rally in indianapolis, he did announce the attacks in pittsburgh and he condemned anti-semitism. the president continuing his midterm push to help republicans keep control of congress. with less than two weeks left before the critical midterm november elections, ellison barber is in illinois where she's attending and reporting on the rally where the president will speak moments from now. hi, ellison. >> hi, eric. president trump says he considered cancelling this rally, not coming this evening, but he said he felt obligated to be here because in his words he said you can't let level change your life or your schedule -- let evil change your life or your schedule. supporters say they believe president trump made the right call when it comes to th

the counterterrorism and border security bill gives extra powers to thejudiciary, police and security services to help them deal with the growing terrorist threat. the home offices almost certainly sanctioned by senior officials in the russian state. my lords, the events in salisbury are part of a pattern of behaviour by the russian government, and they are not alone in engaging hostile activity that threatens the united kingdom. given this, the time has come to harden our defences against hostile state activity. as a first step, part two of the bill provides for a new power to stop, question, search and detain persons at ports, airports and the northern ireland border area. labour that it was probably supportive of the bill. it noted that ministers had made some last—minute alterations to it. that didn't suggest that the counterterrorism security legislation is always being considered and evaluated by the government in quite the column and measured way they will like us to believe. but in some areas being rushed to meet deadlines, even though the events which have weighed most terribly on the government's mind in formulating this bill that have all occurred wi

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