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john grisham joins us at the table.million-plus books. >> who's counting? >> your wife is counting. >> who knows how many we sell? >> your wildfire -- your wife and us. >> it was 300 last year. wasn't jst hoingk ar are you doing a book a year? i marvel that you can do this. >> i've done a book a year since 1991. >> wow. every one has gone to number one. >> yes. well, yeah. but who's counting? >> so with the new one, colin post is a lawyer-turned-minister. i was not aware that lawyers could become ministers, at least not in your book typically. >> he's a reformed lawyer. he's a lawyer in recovery who -- who finds god. >> and does what with that? >> it's his calling to take innocence cases and exonerate innocent people from prison. and it's based on some real-life innocence lawyers i know who dedicate their careers to exonerating innocent people because there are a lot of innocent people in prison. >> yes. >> he tries to help a character named quincy miller, a black man convicted of murder, maintaining his innocence. >> y

i thought it was a john grisham novel.ad some people in europe stealing these treasures of the world and replacing them with high quality forgeries. >> wertheim: you say hollywood script, you say john grisham. were you skeptical? >> mccall: of course we have to confirm what our tipster wasedul needham, one of the world's foremost experts on 15th century printing. he runs the scheide library at one the most valuable private collections travel to europe to examine le in each case, he determined the originals had indeed been removed and replaced with photographic facsimiles printed on centuries-old paper. >> paul needham: the columbus letter being a highly collected book it's just the perfect combination. both very small and very valuable their value per leaf of paper is higher than for any other printed book. >> wertheim: you're saying this is the perfect item to forge. >> needham: it's the perfect item to forge. >> wertheim: and there's a market for it? >> needham: there's always been a market for it. >> wertheim: this turn

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problem lies does read like a john grisham brother. even though you knew who done it already and the compilation of various stories and the price we pay was so fascinating that i felt like my parents need to read this. everyone is engaging with healthcare needs to read this . we have a question upfront . >> i was reading about a lady who took charge of administrating ahospital in denver . and she changed how they managed the hospital and she actually forced themto figure out what did the procedure cost ? how much time should be spent and she cut the cost of that hospital like 30 percent without any impact on care. and she used some of the methods that toyota uses when they build polity into their cars so i guess the question is how do we incentivize hospitals and doctors to think about how they're running the operation to keep the costs down without hurting quality? >> or even be transparent about price. >> the only reason those hospitals are doing that is because people like you and americans are demanding prices for basic services. f

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read the response. >> stephanie grisham said about john kelly, john kelly's comments that it was him ident basically from an impeachment inquiry, stephanie grisham, the press secretary, said i worked with john kelly and he was totally unequipped to handle the genius of our president. >> i love this woman. she comes up with the most amazing quotes. it's incredible. maybe that was the problem there, the genius of the president was too much for him. he's -- nobody can keep him from doing anything that he feels like doing, and if you're a serious member of the cabinet, one of the major people, it's your responsibility to try to lead him in the right direction. most of these people are not great status guys coming in here who -- and women who just know a lot of stuff and have a lot of stature of their own who could argue things, certainly. >> gale collins, thank you for being with us. we wish we could get hints from you. there is a top tier? >> there is a top tier. yeah, i'll give you a hint, there's one person that drives everybody nuts and that person is getting stupenous waves of votes

white house press secretary stephanie grisham responded saying, and we quote, i worked with john kelly and he was totally, unequipped to handle the genius of our great president. >>> allegations of improper relationships have cost an up-and-coming congresswoman her job. [♪] check your free credit scores at creditkarma. here's to progress. >>> welcome back. california congresswoman katie hill has resigned. she was facing allegations of improper relationships with staffers. hill called stepping down the hardest thing she's had to do it. also called it the best thing for her constituents. she admitted to an inappropriate relationship with a campaign staffer before taking office. there is a separate allegation of a relationship with a staffer in her congressional office. >>> houston astros owner jim crane apologizing for stephanie epstein. the astros trashed a story criticizing brandon taubman. he yelled at reporters, grabbing a pitcher for domestic violence. now, in a letter shared, crane tells her, i am wrong and i'm sorry we questioned your professionalism. >>> john conyers died sunday.

let's begin with john kelly and his warning. stephanie grisham provided this statement from the president says john kelly never said that. he never said anything like that. if he would have said that, i would have thrown him out of the office. he just wants to come back into the action like everybody else does. okay. janel, is there any reason why john kelly would make this up? who do you think is telling the truth here? >> of course i have no way of knowing what conversations have been had in private with the president. i think that mr. kelly certainly has a reputation for being a relatively honest and upstanding individual, so i think the larger question is there are certainly elements of this story that seem like they could occur in any sort of organization, the question of who leaders need to support them and what sort of advice they actually seek, whether to go with the sort of more comfortable role of someone who will really sort of endorse you and sort of buffer your feelings, or to go with someone who will challenge you but perhaps help y

and press secretary stephanie grisham's statement said i worked with john kelly and he was totally unequipped to handle the genius of our great president. that's just a remarkable statement for the press secretary, the genius bit of the statement aside, a widely respected former colleague in suggesting that this retired four-star general is somehow not equipped to handle the job that he did for a year and a half. in fact, kelly's arrival in that position was widely celebrated at the time and so was his early tenure and the white house here quick to disparage his comments to the washington examiner and contrast that to the way the white house has handled the impeachment inquiry. the white house has met many with silence and they decline, and when it comes to what the president perceived as a personal insult in the case of john kelly, you will notice here that the white house was quick with a coordinated response and a coordinated pushback. that's something, ana, that republicans have complained about, the lack of strategy and the lack of coordinated messaging when it comes to the issue of impe

rove tracks with a lot of the things john kelly was telling reporters and his allies while he was still in the white house advising president trump. >> stephanie grishamd with john kelly. he was totally inequipped to handle the genius of our president. >> i'm not certain that there are many presidents in recent american history who haven't wanted that. they understand that they actually have to have a clear line of advice, independent advice. at the end of the day the president makes a decision but has to have an independent base of information, an independent judgment to evaluate what to do next. the white house is already a bubble. my former colleague robert gibbs once said working in the white house is like working in a submarine. if what the president is getting is alternative realities told to him by advisoradvisors. >>> state of emergency. tens of thousands of californians forced to evacuate as wildfires tear through the state. >>> and then abandoned, after helping lead the u.s. to al baghdadi kurds in syria are still being forced to flee their homeland. g forced to flee their homeland if your gums bleed when you brush, you may have gingivitis.

press secretary stephanie grisham said i worked with john kelly, and he was totally unequipped to handle genius of our great president. a widely respected former colleague, a rival of the white house, was celebrated at the time. that retired four-star general who serves the president's chief of staff for a year and a half. buff contrast the way that the white house had an immediate and coordinated response to kelly's comments with the way they responded to the impeachment inquiry, meeting new developments with silence and declining to dispute the specifics. republican allies even complained about the lack of messaging coordination and strategy coming out of this white house over the past few weeks. >>> new developments in the deaths of 39 people found in that container truck in essex near london. british police have charged a man with 39 counts of manslaughter in connection with the case. the 25-year-old suspect from northern ireland was arrested wednesday shortly after the bodies were discovered. for more, cnn mclane in belfast. >> reporter: the driver of the truck in this case has been

stephanie grisham outdid him. johnpolitical congress hosted by the washington examiner he warned president trump that hiring a yes man to succeed him as chief of staff would lead to impeachment. in response, gresham put out a statement that seemed written in pyongyang, north korea. grisham said, i worked with general kelly, and he was totally unequipped to handle the genius of our great president. for more, i'm joined by adrienne elrod, former adviser to hillary clinton,shermichael. what do you think of this north korea state leader talk. >> i don't think it would have mattered because general kelly is now on the outside. remember rex tillerson. remember general mattis. >> all the kiss butt guys didn't last. >> they didn't last. you showed them in the video. >> what works for this guy? >> nothing works. at the end of the day, donald trump is going to do whatever donald trump wants. why? because he's not a disciplined individual. i don't think if general kelly was still there, i would predict donald trump would still fi

. >> and stephanie grisham said, i worked with john kelly, and he was unequipped to handle the geniust president. if you listen to kelly, he said, the president unchecked will break the law and be unconstitutional. >> that's exactly the implication of the statement. the president needs someone to stop him. he needs that in the inner circle. you will hear more of this as it unfolds. >> julian, thank you so much. >> thank you. >>> microsoft won a hotly-contested contract to provide cloud defenses to the defense department. >> a contract said to be worth $10 billion over the next decade. amazon had been seen as the front-runner to win the bidding. but the president, president trump, put himself in the process, questioning whether the process was fair. even though multiple reviews found little evidence of wrongdoing. trump is a critic of amazon and its ceo, jeff bezos. he accused the company of taking advantage of the postal service, without evidence. and he doesn't like the coverage of "the washington post" which bezos owns. he was involved in the decision following a biography of jim ma

. >> and stephanie grisham said i worked with john kelly and he was totally unequipped to handle the genius of our great president. but the impeachment inquiry that kelly warned about is moving forward. and another marathon deposition is complete after philip reeker testified yesterday. more than eight hours. ree reeker offered new details on the ouster of maria yovanovitch and there is much more to come this week. six new scheduled depositions starting tomorrow with charles kupperman who is asking at the moment a federal court to rule on whether he can testify. tuesday lawmakers are expected to hear from alexander vindman, director of european affairs. and three depositions are slated for wednesday, acting assistant defense secretary. and stick around, thursday timo morrison is due on the hill. and our panel, kelly o'donnell, arianna bberg, scott wong and natalie noe. kelly, if we compare the week before, compare to the week looking forward, how would you make the distinctions? >> i think at this point one of the big questions that is hanging in the air is what happens with charles

not someone who is going to push back the way that john kelly not always but a lot of the times did. >> let me read the statement from stephanie grisham the white house press secretary. i worked with john kelly. he was totally unequipped to handle the genius of our great president. sher michael doesn't that just prove the point john kelly was making about yes men or yes women? >> it does. let's think about this for a second, ana. the fact that you have to essentially have a babysitter, baby-sit the president of the united states of america because he is not disciplined enough to be focused and not obstructing and break the law is absolutely ridiculous to me. the fact that you have to have a babysitter to stop the president from lying is ridiculous to me. it appears the only time trump isn't telling a lie is when he is not. i think everything john kelly stated is backed by fact. we know record over record that donald trump has almost avoided for the most part creating more problems for himself because of other individuals. and so what that tells me is that you have someone who is woefully unprepared for this job and i think that's why

john. the white house press secretary stephanie grisham released a statement a short while ago essentially saying that the house democrats are wasting the american people's time and money with these requests for information. although we should point out this is not a request. this is a subpoena, and it's something that they have to comply with. we should point out in that statement coming from the press secretary, john, they're not saying we're not going to cooperate with this, and that same sentiment goes for the vice president's office. they also released a statement this afternoon because they've been requested that they turn over information relevant to this investigation, and they're saying they don't take this very seriously at this point. they don't see it as a serious matter or a request coming from house democrats. again, in ta statement, they're not saying they're not turning over any information. that's important. >> it is important. jim, to what extent is the white house concerned with the release of these text messages which paint as clear a picture as you can get of a quid pr

so did white house press secretary and stepford spokesman, stephanie grisham, who said, "i worked with john kelly, and he was totally unequipped to handle the genius of our great president." >> audience: oooh! boo! >> stephen: yeah, yeah. that was a slow build. now, sounds like trump's buddy, kim jong-un, has really rubbed off on him. as a matter of fact, north korea's news leader has also been reporting this story. kes unequied to handle the genius of glorious leader donald john-trump, he of the perfect phone call. he whose birth was heralded by a flock of starlings that gathered to spell "hamberder" across the heavens. even the cruel sorceress bette midler wept with joy when the newborn trump leapt from his mother's womb into a firetruck and hit a thousand holes in one at trump doral. seasonal rates available now. ( laughter ) ( applause ). >> stephen: that's a good deal. they've got great deals going on. fantastic deals going on. ( applause )no last night,sint it's kin oute. in keepingh tradition, trumpwelr families, ell asal a soky experience for those children! ( as kid ) "it's that bi

stephanie grisham said this, "i worked with john kelly and he was totally unequipped to handle the genius of our great president." still with us tonight, mimi rocah and tim o'brien. tim, is that the guardrail theory of donald trump, and does it require self-knowledge to not hire a yes person to be next to you? >> the thing is, the statement from john kelly actually shows how little he understands trump because it doesn't matter in the white house or around trump if you're a yes man or a yes woman or a no man or a no woman. trump doesn't take advice from anybody. at the end of the day, one of the reasons he's a dangerous executive is because he's ungovernable and he's ungovernable because he doesn't listen to anyone else. so i think that's the first problem. the second problem is, remember kelly's own tenure, a week after he got the job, he was sitting next to trump at bedminster when trump said he was going to unleash fire and fury on north korea. kelly had to sit there stone faced. it was during kelly's tenure as chief of staff that the president routinely obstructed justice. that was do

i want to go back to the stephanie grisham's tweet, the word genius. "i worked with john kelly and he was totally unequipped to handle the genius of our great president." isn't this proving your point? >> sadly it is almost a cult worthy of jonestown. that's kind of language, that's where it comes from. it's almost beyond belief. it's reminiscent of course of that surreal meeting in the cabinet room way back when when priebus was the chief of staff and they competed to see who could be more obsequious than the other. i don't care if it's jim baker or leon panetta or mick mulvaney. as gloria says, no chief of staff can really function if the president doesn't want a chief of staff to tell him hard truths. it just can't work. >> so none of those -- he just -- you can't contain him because of who he is? is that what you're saying? >> i wrote the book on the white house chiefs and the subtitle was how the white house chiefs define every presidency, except this one. i was wrong about this one because this is a president who is determined to be unleashed, who doesn't take advic

. >> reporter: stephanie grisham lashed out in a statement. i worked with john kelly and he was unequipped to handle the genius of our great president. mr. trump thought kelly just wanted his old job back. >> i don't think it is aggressive at all. i would be surprised if he made those comments in a negative way. >> reporter: mike pence is ducking questions in the impeachment inquiry and whether he was aware of a quid pro quo with the leader of ukraine. >> i'm telling you that all of my interactions with the president, all of my conversations with president zelensky were entirely focused on issues of importance to the american people. >> reporter: former vice president joe biden is knocking mr. trump's response to russian interference in the 2016 election. >> he's an idiot. i'm tired of saying that. everybody knows this. everybody knows it. nobody doubts it. [ crowd chanting ] >> reporter: as for the foul reaction the president received as the world series, white house officials claimed there were plenty of fans in the crowd. >> i didn't talk to him about it. i k

stephanie grisham hit back in a statement reading i worked with john kelly, and he was totally unequippedo handle the genius of our great president. that is a true statement. >> congress reporter from the hill, olivia beavers. thanks for joining us on this. pretty astounding stuff from john kelly over the weekend, especially with all of the al baghdadi news developing. >> bizarre. >> really bizarre. >> what do you make of john kelly warning the president to not hire a yes man, and it obviously seems as if the president did not listen. >> it seems to be quite a zinger for him to make this comment especially as the impeachment inquiry is going into full scale. john kelly is saying don't surround yourself with yes men. that seems to be pointed with the mick mulvaney and rudy giuliani who are two figures also wrapped up in impeachment. we know the president from thiz past has tried to surround himself by people that he views as loyal to him. i think john kelly's warning was a sign that said don't surround yourself by someone who will just take orders blindly. you need someone to put up guardr

white house press secretary stephanie grisham added to this saying quote i work with john kelly and he was totally unequipped to handle the genius of our great president. joining us now, glenn kershner, msnbc legal analyst charlie psyc psychs still with us. charlie, interesting. all the kings men and women now we're seeing a former chief of staff coming forward and saying, guess what? i warned you that you'd get impeach if you get a yes man. he's also, if you will, throwing shade on mick mulvaney. >> oh and that stephanie grisham quote. i mean, that is a graphic. that is -- that is pure north korean fluffry. that's got to go in the -- that's got to go in the sycophant hall of fame. you know donald trump himself probably dictated this but john kelly is basically read between the lines saying donald trump is not fit to be the president of the united states. and that he replaced him with a yes man. i mean, we ought to mention that some of the episodes of the obstruction of justice did occur when he was chief of staff. but it is an extraordinary moment and it's also extraordinary how many

white house press secretary stephanie grisham also weighed in, hitting back in a statement, saying, i worked with john kelly, and he was totally unequipped to handle the ge pre. >> wow. >> presidential statement. >>> still ahead, new reporting about republican lawmakers' efforts to gather information about the whistle-blower who exposed president trump's attempts to pressure ukraine. >> later former vice president joe biden slams the president as a quote idiot for calling russian election interference a hoax. those stories and a check of weather when we come back. (burke) at farmers insurance, we've seen almost everything, so we know how to cover almost anything. (bert) even an accident brought to you by the number one! (count) i know i left it in here somewhere...ah ha! my monocle. ah, that's one. one lens! ah, ah, ah! [thunder crashing] oo! my mower! hm, well thatone chore i can cross off my list! ah, ah, ah! (burke) seen it, covered it. at farmers insurance, we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. (bert) mmm. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪ why fingerstick when you

apologist said i worked with john kelly and he was totally unequipped to handle the genius of our great president. >> that would be the white house yes secretary stephanie grishamtually in that statement, she actually makes john kelly's point for him. >> yes. >> when you have people around you that sound like, again, this is again, go back -- >> yes man, yes woman. >> go back and look, i'm on snl suddenly, go back and look at the language of not snl but look at the language of what north korean spokes people say about kim jong-un, and what they said about kim jong il, and that's how they talk. that's not how american press secretaries talk. this white house, by the day, is breaking from american traditions, and sounding and acting more unamerican by the day. >> joe, when i read that, i first thought it was from the onion. i actually did not believe that it was uttered by the press secretary to the president of the united states. and jonathan, i'm wondering, joe and mika have raised this a couple of times this morning already, where is mick mulvaney. you never see him, and when you do hear from him, he implicates himself and impeachable offenses potentially. whe