mr. mcneil for coming back. i appreciate your time. i'm going to start by asking you what i ask you every time, which is have i said anything since the show started that strikes you as wrong or wrongheaded? i know you felt like those of us in the media have sometimes put the emphasis in the wrong place here. >> no, everything you said is correct. i'm shocked at those states that are doing nothing. there is just -- i mean they're asking for it. when donald trump uses the expression, you know, the virus is going to wash through the country and he does it with this hand motion like it's washing through like a gentle breeze, that is a very common expression among epipeople doll gists that the virus is going to wash through the population. they mean it as it's going to wash through the population like a tidal wave. nothing stands in its way because there's no immunity. and that's what we're facing in this country. it's not some gentle breeze blowing through the country. it's a tidal wave. and they're doing nothing to hide behind a barrier t

mr. mcneil, thank you for coming back and i appreciate your time. i will ask you that i ask every time, have i said anything since the show started that is wrong or wrong-headed and sometimes those in the media are sometimes said to put the emphasis in the wrong place. >> no, everything you said is correct. i'm shocked at those states that are doing nothing. there is just, i mean they're asking for it. when donald trump uses the expression, you know, the virus is going to wash through the country, and he does it with this hand motion like washing through like a gentle breeze, that is a very common expression of epidemiologists, the virus will wash through the population, and they mean it will wash through the population like a tidal wave, with no immunity, that's what we're facing, it is not some gentle breeze going through the country, it's a tidal wave, and they're doing nothing to hide behind a barrier to protect themselves. >> the surgeon general is now admitting something that you have been saying for a while, which is we're now on a point, on

mr. mcneil, thank you very much for coming back, it's good to have you here. >> thank you for inviting mee answer to your question is i think is yes, even for ventilators, yes, i'm not so worried about nationalizing the supply, you know, that sets off alarm bells, it is more, i had a text from a friend of mine this morning in san francisco who is on the board of ucsf, and you know, he said our hospital has more than enough ventilators. we're not seeing the surge of patients. thank goodness for the early moves by the mayor. and i said, you know, wait a minute, we're dying here in new york, if you don't need those ventilators how about lending them to us, and then had the thought, he's not alone, there are hospitals all over this country that are right now not facing surges of patients. while new york, and new orleans and miami and detroit and a few other cities are facing armageddon. and because we're all in lockdown, pandemics cross the country in waves and this has slowed down the wave. instead of hitting every city at once, the way it was going to a little while ago now it will go slowl

mr. mcneil, thank you for coming back. >> thank you for inviting. >> i know you've been here since the topow. have i said anything wrong? >> no, no. i thought carolyn chen's reporting was terrific. i'm glad that somebody pointed out the incredible confusion that people face when they want to know whether or not they have a disease they know is deadly. we are in a headless chicken phase of our approach to the pandemic, and we have a president who appeared to me terrified on camera while he made his speech and who gave an approach that made no sense. i mean, you know, why are we blocking entry from europe when we have epicenters all thoefr this country? we have an epicenter in westchester county right now. we may have one in this room we're in. i don't know yet. won't know for a couple of days. the president under all world standards should be in quarantine right now. he shook hands with somebody who just turned positive. this is just basic medical behavior. if you've been exposed to a dangerous disease, our approach here is to go into quarantine. but there seem to be exceptions. >> the quar