a central part of that is pretraining antifa -- yingraining antifa -- portra antifa as his existential threat to our political since. fox news largely supports that agenda. they are willing to amplify that narrative, which is why you see fox news continually portray terrorist mob intent on destroying our way of life. and it is unfortunate because it's leading to world war implications. just this week these rumors that antifa supporters have started all the wildfires. the wildfires are being started by antifa. it's nonsense. it is not true. antifa.is no friend of they have come out and said this is just not true. there is so much misinformation out there, we have to be really careful of the information that we are consuming because we what the source of it is all the time, what's the agenda behind it? whereare other incidents people have been told, go to this place because there is going to be an antifa protest and it generates all this activity. it turned out to be antifa supporters that were just doing hoaxes. i do think that the amplifying of this narrative is very leading to, and it

it is antifa.n portland, oregon, all of these places, chicago, they don't ever say black on black killings. that is what it is. is my question to you racist they are the damn people. america is not a racist country. i'm sorry. they are the ones burning stuff down. it is not we, the conservatives. the democratic party is the party of the ku klux klan. so, when you are saying the right wing, that all started with the democrats. woodrow wilson, it all goes down. even lyndon baden's johnson -- lyndon baines johnson was a racist. martin luther king made him give rights so that they could drink water. .hat is all bull crap it is not what america is about. host: go ahead and respond. guest: as a scientist, i care less about the partisan issues. i am looking at the data. you aretifa, when talking about antifa, you're talking about a recent movement. something between 10 to 20 and 30 people in each area for each town. we are talking about a fairly small group that is not really coordinated effectively. befa

from what i saw, i don't believe he mentioned the word antifa. antifa is a criminal organization. he did not mention antifa thugs. but mostly seemed to blame the police and law enforcement. he went on point after point after point. he even talked about those on the right, but he did not talk about those on the left. those on the left are the problem. antifa is the problem. the rioters and joe biden have a side. they're both on the side of the radical left. and that is so obvious. until that neutralizes, you are never going to have safe areas in those democrat-run areas. for months, joe biden has given moral aid and comfort to the vandals repeating the monstrous light that these were peaceful protests. these are not peaceful protests. that is anarchy. you look at the agitators, the looters, the rioters, that is not a peaceful protest. they keep using the term, it is so nice. peaceful protest. and behind the reporter, the cities are burning. we could solve it very quickly. if they ask us to come in, like we did in minneapolis, like we just did in wisconsin, where i will be going tom

that was a member of antifa shooting a trump supporter dead in the chest.oe biden doesn't condemn an tougha or mention them by name. he goes on tv and says are you safe in trump's america. he says we'll stop committing crimes if you vote for me. that's extortion. biden is putting a gun to america's head and demanding votes for ransom. then he tells you it's trump that makes it worse. >> the president is willfully fanning the flames of this violence. >> now he's trying to become president again by fanning the flames. >> he doesn't have a plan. he's fanned the flames. >> how can he be fanning the flames when he's trying to stop the violence by sending in the national guard. jesse: this is a bait and switch to get you to blame the president. trump condemning the violence, that's the problem. trump's mere acknowledgement of their crime wave puts him at the scene of the crime so he can be framed for it. this only works if democrats hide the real criminals. >> that's happening in portment right now. >> that's a myth. >> about antifa in portland? >> yes. jesse: ri

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antifa's a criminal organization, and he didn't mention antifa thugs.the police and law enforcement. he went on point after point after point, he even talked about those on the right, but he didn't talk about those on the left, and those on the left are the problem and antifa's the problem. the rioters and joe biden have a side. they're both on the side of the rad cl left, and that is so obvious -- radical left. and that is so obvious. until that neutralizes, you're never going to have safe areas in those democrat-run areas. for months joe biden has given moral aid and comfort to the vandals repeating the monstrous high es that these were peaceful protests. they're not peaceful protests. that's anarchy. that's -- you with look at the agitators, you look at the looters, you look at the rioters, that's not a peaceful protest. they keep using the term, it's so nice, peaceful protest. and behind the reporter the cities are burning. we could solve it very quickly if they asked asked us to come in like we did in minneapolis and like we just did in wisconsin,

, antifa is a movement. there's not a group necessarily that is called antifa and membership in a group does not necessarily mean you've committed a crime. elements of a crime are things like throwing a molatov cocktail. >> there aren't many at all based on the evidence we've seen as far as antifa directly related individuals. >> some self-identify them as antifa. some refuse to provide even their identity when they're arrested. i've talked to every police chief in every city where there's been major violence, and they all have identified antifa as the ramrod for the violence. they are flying around the country. we know people who are flying around the country. we know where they're going. we see some of the purchases they're making before the riots of weapons to use in those riots. so, we are following that. >> is that illegal what they're doing? >> crossing state lines to engage in rioting is. >> in an interview -- >> a federal offense. >> the president claimed that he heard about a plane, in his words, lo

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out what antifa is. could you enlighten me? >> well, first let me say as i think i said in response to an earlier question antifa is a real thing. it's not a fiction. but it is -- it's not an organization or a structure. we view it more as a -- we understand it to be more of a kind of a movement. or maybe you could call it an ideology. and we certainly have as i've said a number of, and we have had for some time and we've opened quite a number this year of improperly predicated investigations into violent anarchist extremist who subscribe or self-identify with antifa. they say, you know, i am antifa, things like that. and we have seen individuals -- i think i mention this in response to one of the earlier questions -- identified with the antifa movement coalescing regionally into what you might describe as small groups or nodes. and we are actively investigating the potential violence from those regional nodes, if you will. >> thank you. congressman, you might need to unmute yourself. we're advised we're

one place antifa struck was sacramento california. they set fire to government buildings including the d.a.'s office. and antifa thugs smashed windows and covered the building in graffiti. police officers recovered equipment used by them. the d.a. shubert is demanding those responsible are brought to justice and she joins me now. why did they target your office? >> there was a planned attack on our office and much was led by antifa. the first was a peaceful protest but the second was organized and planned by antifa. it's an organization that their whole end game is the destruction of democracy. they will do that by violence and intimidation. the night this happened, they targeted government buildings. the d.a.'s office which is the institution of law and order and the sheriff's department. their tactics are designed to destroy this country and take down capitalism. that's the end game for these folks. >> are you in any way coordinating with bill barr's office, the attorney general in washington, d.c., as you prosecute these cases? are

antifa is bad.: mr. biden: you have no idea. president trump: antifa is a dangerous, radical -- chris: we are moving on. host: we start this morning with richard from california, supporter of joe biden. what did you think of last night? caller: i thought it was disgrace -- a disgrace in democracy by trump. obviously the guy is totally scared of losing. he had no policy. like an unhinged person on steroids. noted quorum. -- no decorum. no boundaries in terms of the debate in terms of the rules and regulations, just like he has been his whole life. just like he has run this country. he was chaotic. he was a bully. he was vicious. he was angry. host: what did you think of joe biden's performance last night? caller: i wanted him to fight back in certain areas. there are so many areas trump is vulnerable. not only with his family. house andn the white people profiting from him being president. there is so much of that. even the tax returns and money to foreign governments. but trump is a narcissistic personality. host: let's go to jo

there is antifa, a group of individuals that control antifa. to some degree without question it is organized. would you agree with that? . >> i think what i would say is that we have seen folks who subscribe to or self-identify with the antifa movement who coalesce regionally into what we refer to or think of more as small groups or nodes. they are certainly recognized at that level. . >> not to interrupt you. but, for example, and i understand that some people self-identify as communists, yet there is a real communist organization that is organized at the same time. >> there's something out there that deserves a very thorough investigation. >> well, the last part i would say we are very thoroughly investigating. and as i mentioned, we have a number of, quite a number of properly predicated investigations being conducted by our joint teufpl task forces around the country into violent anarchist extremism. and any number of them involve people by their own admission or otherwise, toplt antifa movement. in some cases we see those individuals worki

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only antifa wants that.do other than dissolving the government to make antifa happy but that's who they are playing too. they are letting them run amuck and they lost control. no one is happy because they can't make that group happy. all of the fires and all of the chaos and the looting and the loss of income and making it an unsafe place to live, no one wants that. wheeler said he wants to express his apology to the damage to his home and the fear you are experiencing due to my position. i thought maybe he was issuing that to the entire city. every single constituent is living in fear because of his position. nobody wants their city burned down. only antifa who only be happen until it's total chaos. >> does that answer your question? >> it does, but i want thing to get better. i don't chaos. i don't like seeing families torn apart because of who they side with politically. it's ridiculous. we have 30 seconds. i want you to answer, it joe biden becomes president and he has a great shot right now. how will he

antifa is a bad group.hey are criminals and they rnr this and they are agitators and they are looters and rioters and everything else. they are bad. and when a man doesn't say that, that others me. i wonder why he's not saying that. >> [inaudible] barr has trump: bill been incredible. he is strong. bill barr is strong. he is tough that he is smart and i think it with me on this stuff. he sees what is happening with certain locations. now, we can clean it out if the democrat governors, who are just are, or something, they weak on crime. they don't even want to mention law and order. like in portland, we would have had that situation taken care of in half an hour. all they have to do is call. we will be there and a half an hour. seattle only constraint did not because we were going in there the following morning. we were all set to go and but if they would call us, we would straighten out their problems. that includes chicago and new york. chicago is a great police department, they endorsed me. new york has a

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antifa is not an idea. antifa is an organization. so is blm.ations and left wingers his own staffers, biden's staffers and kamala herself helped to bail out many of these people who caused the violence and even some of the killings. again, law and order, donald trump wins. on that issue. and for a lot of people, that's now the number two issue for them. brian: very interesting that would have been a great come back for the president to say yeah you are for law and order but your own staffers are bailing out the rioters from prison and kamala harris. >> he missed a lot of opportunities, brian. brian: that's a big one. he is going to have some other appearances. antifa is more than ideology. they have ear pieces they deliver bats and bricks and weapons to events. that's more than ideology. thanks, guys. appreciate it. >> thank you, brian. brian: joe biden refusing to answer questions about packing the courts. >> i'm not going to answer the question. >> why wouldn't you answer that question? you want to put a new supreme court justices radical lef

while antifa, when you're talking about antifa, you're talking about the movement, a recent studies are talking about something between a 10 to 20, 30 people in each area or in each town, so we're talking about a very small groups that are not really koords nated effectively and so far, while they are maybe involved in some of the protests that we see, it's very difficult to argue that they are engaging in any kind of violent campaigns. they're definitely not operating in the same level that we see on the far right. organizations such as the 3% or the oath keepers who have an organization that deploying their people in areas where there's clashes. it's much more organized. you are correct, in the early 20th century, many politicians from the democratic party were members of the kkk. they were affiliated with organizations, but again, this is political reality that existed more than 100 years ago. today, again, i'm not arguing that any of the political parties are supporting violence. i'm just saying that rhetoric is maybe concerning. i will also add one more point is that as someone who

this have to do with antifa. >> somebody has got to do something about antifa and the left, because thist a right wing -- this is a left-wing -- >> your own fbi director said white supremacist, antifa is an idea, not an organization. his fbi director said -- >> than you know what -- >> we are done. >> shannon: okay, deroy. your comments. >> i was quite startled by that comment, antifa is an idea, not an organization. look, antifa is not an ideal like karl marx's labor theory, this is a violent organization that we've seen pretty much since the moment president trump became president. they are usually dressed in black, the break windows, create try to's destruction. ideas don't usually attack people as antifa did in portland when they attacked the journalist and he know. he actually ended up in the hospital with a cerebral hemorrhage, most people don't encounter just ideas, and end up with their brains bleeding, not literally. put great distance between himself, antifa didn't do that. the person who did that recently was president trump, who declared antifa hate organization before a blac

a violent bug and i am antifa. i'm antifa because the red hat are coming after brown and black people, after jews after queer and trans people and more. if she somehow won what would that mean for portland as it tries to recover over what has happened in the last three months? >> i think it would mean another of these leaders even more wrapped up in these narratives of injustice and any opposing views are a form of violence and associated with disorder and disorder will get worse. >> this is news that came out yesterday that her campaign was warned over campaign-finance violations with campaign funding, her campaign said it was funded. what do you think of that? >> the laws are pretty complex. i don't have the details of that but there's a lot of serious money moving around it and it would not surprise me at all some of this going into her campaign. >> that switch topics. there is an interesting thing going on throughout oregon and other states in our union. oregon state police now federally deputized as part of th

in the past we throw rallies, anyone can show up, antifa shows up, doesn't make me a commie.the biggest reasons i didn't stop organizing in portland was because so many people showing up who are hateful, causing problems. we would like to go out and advocate for people who need help in cities where they believe in the constitution. >> you lost one of your guys over the weekend, is that going to change the approach of your organization going forward? >> not going to change the approach. we don't organize in portland anymore. people have to understand j lived in portland, this is nothing to do with trump or any event. he separated from us, went back into his home town where he lives and he was murdered in cold blood. the reason he was murdered in cold blood was because number one they built the city of lawlessness and number 2, the constant lies, people constantly scream white supremacist, white nationalist by politicians, ted wheeler and kate brown, they are doing this to create this violence and this man was murdered for no reason at all. >> what have you heard? >> i heard th

the proud boys want to intimidate antifa. that's why they dress the way they do and talk the way they do. and to a degree, it works. rumors would spread proud boys are coming. when they actually do clash, it can be explosive. a lot of times it's just one person who gets singled out and they'll be chased down a field. there's been one death, although that person was not a proud boy. when you're on the ground, it's very scary. >> and you really communicate that through your piece. thank dprz being with us. >> thank you. >> i wanted to bring in the cochair of black voices for trump. why did the president not condemn white supremacists? >> three times the president said he would condemn white supremacist. >> and then he didn't. and then he didn't. >> how many times does the president have to have this conversation? at some point the media has to accept his answer. he's called out that group by name. i refuse to speak their name. i'm surprised cnn is giving it such a broad -- >> oh, come on. he told them to stand up and stand by.

group posing as antifa. you've seen this over and over again, people opposing as black lives matter supporters. what are platforms supposed to do here? are they supposed to look into every single account that claims it's antifa and see if it's a white supremacist account? what's the game plan here? >> there are a number of ways in which platforms can obviously be more vigilant. part of the problem is, one, they're underresourced to deal with content moderation and most of their content moderators are not full-time staff. so there's a lot of challenges [ inaudible ]. but i think also, you know, i could tell you little things that i try to do, if there's an account that [ inaudible ] offline and they have [ inaudible ] 2016 or 2015 even or closer. but again, really, there's only so much you can do, except look to people who you do know are real. there's a reason why i follow so many journalists, because i know i can [ inaudible ] than somebody that i may have a twitter relationship with but don't actually know

saying, oh, well, he didn't specifically call out violent antifa protestors. you know, i don't know what the biden campaign's going to do. but it seems like it'd be pretty easy for them to put out a statement saying, yeah, we condemn -- too. just on the politics level, it's sort of amateurish. the more serious way for our country and our democracy, the fact that the president of the united states is defending what went on with kyle rittenhouse. when, one, he doesn't know all of the facts. and the criminal complaint is pretty severe. i recognize that he does have a -- a -- his lawyers say that he'll have a -- he'll have a defense. that he felt under threat, and that's what those shootings were about. fine. that'll all be litigated. but for the president to interject himself and put him on the side of that person, and refuse to condemn right-wing, essentially militia violence in the streets of america is -- is kind of scary, don. frankly, i never thought i'd see that. >> yeah. he should have a defense. we're all entitled to a defense, as americans. everyone is e

at that event he said he would designate the kkk and antifa as terrorist organizations.t is the niece of martin luther king jr., dr. alveda king. alveda, it is great to see you. and that was a powerhouse list of offerings for african-americans in this country. what was your reaction? >> well, lou, i'm right here in atlanta, boots on the ground. i've got that whole list in my hand. i'm going to show you that for a minute -- [laughter] to say that it's real. i believe it, i'm excited, and all of my brothers and sisters who were here today, we had masks and all that, social distancing a lit built, but we -- little bit, but we believe it, and we're excited, lou. lou: well, you ought to believe it. i think that's the case because this is the president who delivered the lowest unemployment rates in history for african-americans, the lowest unemployment rates for his painings -- hispanics. this is a man who backs up what he promises, so that has to be very attractive. let me e ask you this, as he sat there, just stood there and talked about designating antifa and the kkk as ter

they have not spoken out against antifa. antifa is, are the ones lighting our streets on fire.olent protests. i have not heard from one democrat that is explicitly called out antifa. they like to say on the left that silence is violence. they have been deafening, silent on this issue. i would like to see joe biden say he stands with the police. i would like him to say he is not with antifa. the democrat party will not do that. here is why, liz. they are in a tough position, because if they speak out against antifa, that is their base. they will draw down voter turnout in november because that is where this party moved. they're radical leftist. if they stand with the police like they should, then, then they lose that radical base. elizabeth: who is funding antifa? we've been trying to get to the bottom of this. we have a lot of information. we're waiting on the government to tell us who is funding antifa. we have government documents out of homeland security talk of that they have a lot of intelligence that these violent riots were organized in portland linked to a ideology that

he didn't carve out exemption for antifa. this was broad condemnation of antifa-like tactics.zabeth: that is quite the word salad. stop it. condemn antifa, left-wing rioters. they get what is going on. democrats are seeing biden falling in the swing states, according to "real clear politics" averages. jpmorgan chase says betting odds are on trump to win. they show joe biden's lead shrinking to 2%age points. democrat debbie dingell, david, is saying essentially she is driving around her district in detroit. she sees a lot of blue lives matter in support of cops popping up in suburban neighborhoods. that is giving her serious pause. we're seeing action, pro-trump action in the swing states like pennsylvania, florida, michigan, wisconsin. we're watching the polls. david, you and i were talking about this in 2016. the polls, some polls not capturing what we're seeing in the trends here going for trump right now. your thoughts? >> we're in a new dynamic with a lot of voters who are not being polled or not answering the polls and americans are now looking at a new type of president

biden knows the protests have been overwhelmingly led by black lives matter and antifa. mr. use those words or use the words "left-wing" to describe those who are burning businesses and attacking police precincts." >> vigilantes with assault weapons, often better armed than the police. >> martha: deroy murdock, fox news contributor, and juan williams, cohost of "the five" and a fox news political analyst. deroy, what did you make of what was in his statement on what was left out? >> i was struck by the fact he blamed -- no blame at black lives matter or antifa, left-wing groups. they claim right wing groups are doing it. burning the american flag? we have seen churches attack, statues of the virgin mary and jesus christ decapitated, is that the family doing this? that is bizarre. one thing not to speak up over the last three months, but finally to speak up as he has yesterday and turn around and blame it on president trump and his supporters, i think is astonishing. one of the things he completely forgot to mention was from he has repeatedly said things to suit the situation

>> i'm talking about antifa. >> i'm sorry.ct violence -- that's what you're going to point out. >> that's not true. that's not true at all. these groups have had to go to cities across the country whether it's los angeles, whether it's in portland, whether it's in milwaukee, we are seeing people bust in, flying in, even after the rnc convention at the white house. some of these people showed up and engaged in illegal actions. >> the number one domestic terror group are white supremacists but you keep pointing at another group, the number one source of domestic terrorism is whites of premises, why don't you talk about that, horace? why don't you address their violence? >> you can repeat that talking point all you want. >> the number one source of domestic terrorism is whites of premises. why do you not -- it's a fact. >> mike: the president heading to kenosha tomorrow, a city currently reeling from violence. we will discuss with retired nfl player, a legend, herschel walker. he's next. they will, but with accident forgiveness a

so, we've seen this repeatedly, especially with regard to antifa, the antifa protesters and their rolee protest in the wake of gorge floyd's killing that they wanted to talk about the role of antifa, even though we've seen a lot more cases, wolf, brought against white wing extremist groups like the movement folks and instead focusing more on the threat from anarchists and from antifa. we've seen this repeatedly from him and from others in the administration. >> and there's an assessment that white supremacists potentially represent a greater threat. is that right? >> reporter: that's right. that's one of the produced an assessment that said there was a greater threat from white supremacists. that report, by the way, has been stifled according to murphy because it did not fit with what the administration has been saying. >> it's all serious stuff, indeed. evan perez, thank you very much for that. we'll have much more news after this. ial the hand modelsenges to show off the ease of comparing rates with progressive's home quote explorer. international hand model jon-jon gets personal. yo

are you here to get in fights with antifa? >> plult nabsolutely not. >> but you are dred in the aesthetics of political violence? >> aesthetics and who we are two different things. >> who needs a shield?! >> it just seems like every time there is a proud boys event, it ends with some people getting beat up. >> we're not afraid to defend ourselves. >> i know what you do, bro. calling people white supremacists and nazi. >> who? >> the prow boys all tell us they're just here to drink beer and barbecue, but there have already been a couple of incidents that have teetered on the edge of violence, including our own crew being threatened. >> get out! >> take your [ bleep ] camera! [ bleep ] cnn! get the [ bleep ] out, [ bleep ]! want to get [ bleep ] up?! it's the wrong place to be?! >> did you film that? >> you have something to say?! >> we had one antifa come in here. the cameras capture, oh, look, they're being so violent. they didn't touch him. he wasened bleeding, he didn't get marked up, punched or nothing. i told him later, yo

there's no home office in springfield for antifa. there's no president for antifa. and so it's a movement and an ideology. it's not to downplay those who do violence within it. but it's rather to say, it's a falsehood to claim equivalency between an ideology and organized hate violence groups. >> frank, let me just press you a little further on this. if the fbi has eyes on the ground into proud boys and they saw on their chat rooms or had someone undercover who witnessed them talking about what donald trump signaled, where would they take that intelligence? how would they cough that up the food chain? bill barr, who's carrying the same lies about antifa on cnn and other places. would they go to the intelligence community which donald trump has basically decapitated and doesn't believe anything -- what would he do if hd that kind of information? >> well, first, let's understand something. the attorney general of the united states, who overseas tes fbi because it's part of the doj, gets briefings daily or at least three times a week from the fbi on all of the pertinen

antifa is a terrorist organization. you can't even get these guys to acknowledge antifa exists. antifa, destroy the democracy, they exist. either politicians are ignorant or ignoring the reality of the violence their silence is supporting. elizabeth: house judiciary republicans led by jim jordan sent chairman jerry nadler a letter saying you have to denounce this left-wing extremism and rioting. antifa is not a myth as you claimed. the gop, there on that committee, they want hearings on this because dozens are now dead after a summer and spring of violent unrest hitting 17 u.s. cities. they never answer the question how does months of rioting, looting, arson and death persuade voters to your point of view? listen, throw the book at rogue cops, throw the book at cops that go bad. of course stop that. nobody wants to see that in the streets but reports coming in that black lives matters was found by leaders who say on social media and elsewhere that they are quote, trained marxists. they cite as mentors as backers, noted communists and domestic terrorists. they do thing, put on bu

todd: confirming antifa is a real domestic threat and not a conservative conspiracy.dent that more of our nation is waking up to the fact that antifa are the bad guys? >> absolutely. i applaud chris ray and the fbi for opening investigations on what i think are classic racketeering enterprises. drug cartels, all under the statute of antifa and self-described followers, classic criminal enterprise racketeering enterprises and also terrorists, trying to effect political change through violence and intimidation. todd: someone who agrees with your assessment is the detroit police chief. >> you can't negotiate with domestic terrorists, not saying all protesters. and embedded are these criminals focused on one thing and we cannot negotiate. todd: the fbi and the feds are aware of what is going on and ready to fight back against the and local law enforcement. local law enforcement have the tools, with other similar groups. >> the chief is spot on. you can't negotiate with terrorists which they are, trying to effect political change through violence and intimidation. they nee

but i also -- joe biden has to say something about antifa. >> the president also claiming today that he does not know who the proud boys are after he told that violent anti-semitic group to, quote, stand back and stand by, which that violent group took as an endorsement. today the president today immediately pivoting to blaming left-wing groups for violence. cnn's kaitlan collins joins me now. this reminds me quite a bit of february 2016 when three times i asked candidate trump to renounce, to explicitly renounce the endorsement of former klu klux klan leader david duke, and three times live on television he declined to do. >> reporter: he seems to be following a similar pattern to what he did then now by saying that he didn't know david duke at the time, even though of course he was on the record about talking about david duke in the past. now he's saying he doesn't know who the proud boys are, something he did not mention on the debate stage last night. this is a participant of tttern trump presidency and then spend several days backpedaling as aides struggle with what to say. repu

i think this fits in he handled those questions about antifa in a similar way to how he handled theseons about the russian interference, chuck. >> right he seems to follow the facts the way he described the violent -- the violent political activists was pretty correct you have extremists. it's like the left wing anarchists if you want to say they're left wing. in some ways there's the political pendulum swings so much, it circles but that's fine, and he threw the militias and the racially motivated folks, meaning the white supremacists, also in the same category which to me makes more law enforcement sense than what bill barr was trying to do which is create a political divide on these politically driven violent extremists. >> right wray focused on what are they actually doing are they committing violent acts or are they threatening violent acts what are the crimes being committed here he essentially said it's not our job to figure out, you know, to make judgments about what's motivating these people. it's our job to focus on the actions they're taking he did acknowledge, yes, there a