those legislatures shall appoint in such manner as the legislature may direct.his is in the constitution. yet the governors will not do it? what are they afraid of? the amazing thing is, the legislators are a majority republican. the president was elected by 10 million more votes than at least they are admitting to, and only corruption in some of the swing states where they had the biden astronomically high numbers after they stopped counting. the circumstantial evidence aside from the affidavit is so strong. am i wrong? >> absolutely. mayor giuliani had witnesses test my in pennsylvania, michigan and georgia, their state legislatures. the evidence these witnesses testified to, and the direct evidence from witnesses who were there and sow the ballots being counted in secret. from election officials who told these poll workers to violate the law. this is absolutely election fraud. the state legislature didn't realize they had the power under the constitution. you put that up there. it's right there directly in the constitution. they need to act. the fact that the

is it the state legislature? is it the courts?ing in such a way that there won't be time to look into this? i have proposed, for the future at least, the creation of a vote integrity panel, vip, that would consist of former justices, judges, neutral non-partisan, that any complaint about an election either before the election, during the election, or after the election, could go to this group which could then look into it because we know the media doesn't give it a fair shake and we know that everybody else is partisan. the american public wants to know, is guiliani correct or isn't he correct? i don't know whether we'll find that out in time for the meeting of the electoral college votes. maria: ken starr? >> hi, maria, and hi, alan. >> hi. >> the prediction of jimmy carter and james baker in 2000 and their commission has come true and it is a bit of a nightmare. they warned, after taking a very careful study, this bipartisan commission warned, that absentee voting, mail-in voting, is a huge potential for fraud, and that's what w

those legislatures shall appoint in such manner as the legislature may direct.his is in the constitution. yet the governors will not do it? what are they afraid of? the amazing thing is, the legislators are a majority republican. the president was elected by 10 million more votes than at least they are admitting to, and only corruption in some of the swing states where they had the biden astronomically high numbers after they stopped counting. the circumstantial evidence aside from the affidavit is so strong. am i wrong? >> absolutely. mayor giuliani had witnesses test my in pennsylvania, michigan and georgia, their state legislatures. the evidence these witnesses testified to, and the direct evidence from witnesses who were there and sow the ballots being counted in secret. from election officials who told these poll workers to violate the law. this is absolutely election fraud. the state legislature didn't realize they had the power under the constitution. you put that up there. it's right there directly in the constitution. they need to act. the fact that the

which leaves the power to the state legislature to make the election.ow let's circumstance pl back stay with me here. the reason why reporters don't cover this is either left wing or too stupid to follow this. the moment the state legislature and october 2019 passed the change to its election laws to allow mail-in voting as the base they violated the state constitution of pennsylvania. why is that? under the constitution of pennsylvania, to be any election law changes you have to amend the constitution. did they amend the constitution? no. what's required to amend the constitution of pennsylvania the very complicated. there needs to be a majority vote, of both houses of the state legislature not once -- but twice. then there needs to be a respite there there needs to be ads in at least two papers in every county in pennsylvania all 67 counties. then there needs to be a respite. and then finally, the citizenry of pennsylvania get to vote on whether or not they want the amend it has to be on the ballot. did that happen? no it didn't happen. but citizenry

those legislatures shall appoint in such manner as the legislature may direct.is in the constitution. yet the governors will not do it? what are they afraid of? the amazing thing is, the legislators are a majority republican. the president was elected by 10 million more votes than at least they are admitting to, and only corruption in some of the swing states where they had the biden astronomically high numbers after they stopped counting. the circumstantial evidence aside from the affidavit is so strong. am i wrong? >> absolutely. mayor giuliani had witnesses test my in pennsylvania, michigan and georgia, their state legislatures. the evidence these witnesses testified to, and the direct evidence from witnesses who were there and sow the ballots being counted in secret. from election officials who told these poll workers to violate the law. this is absolutely election fraud. the state legislature didn't realize they had the power under the constitution. you put that up there. it's right there directly in the constitution. they need to act. the fact that they ar

let's see if someone has the courage, whether it's a legislature or legislatures or a justice of the supreme court or a number of justices at the supreme court, let's see if they have the courage to do what everybody in this country knows is right. >> tonight like always, we will continue our own independent path. we do not follow the mob, the media, any other show. we do our own thing here. this lawsuit from texas is a very serious legal challenge. at the very least it has a right to be heard. the country deserve it, you deserve it. we, the people deserve it. i do not know with the justices are going to do but the american people deserve answers and we need to have confidence in both the integrity and the results of every state's election in the process. because we have millions of innocent americans in states where the law, the constitution were followed. they are then disenfranchised in a corrupt process. it's not okay that partisan observers were blocked from performing what they were legally allowed in the law calls for them to do. they are critical duties. it's not okay but th

the legislature did, michigan to the same thing.f we had to democrat judges, and they weren't allowing us to put witnesses up. but i was able to get some of the witnesses you see there because i went to the legislature. the simple fact is, we don't need courts. the united states constitution gives sole power to the state legislature to decide presidential electio in fact, if we go back to the founding fathers, they would tell us we are making a mistake. this should be thrown right to the house of representatives and the senate in each state, and they should hold hearings. they should make factual determinations, and they should decide what the right building count is. so, you look at georgia, they are already there. i mean, that tape yesterday was dynamite. that tape alone represent theft of more than enough votes to turn the election around. >> sean: mr. mayor, thank you, we appreciate it. up next, layer trump, kayleigh mcenany, they have more for the trump campaign. the president slated to hold a massive rally in georgia, we have

i think the georgia legislature should step in.ist both on the recount but also change the rules before we get to the vote in january 5th. to go back in, knowing how sick the current system is and then use the same six system is something just profoundly wrong and a huge lack of leadership for letting it happen. >> sean: mr. speaker, thank you. i hope they paid attention. i know georgians, i have a lot of faith in the people of georgia. i share their frustration tonight too. up joining us now, senator lindsey graham continuing his call to preserve election s integrity. just like i've been saying it's past time for the governor to call the special session of the georgia legislature to fix the obvious problem with a two-tiered signature verification system. there's got to be one standard for mail-in ballots and you can't have a much stricter standard for in person voting. that what exists now. of where's the sense of urgency and fairness, the commitment to anensuring free, fair elections that have integrity and everybody has confiden

but unfortunately, the leadership in our legislature, they have done nothing.nything. they should have been calling for a forensic audit a long time ago. i filed my complaint with the gop as soon as it happened. as soon as this incident happened, so did many other people, we were complaining right away. so if they don't do anything with this, then these hearings are a mere dog and pony show. you know, the democratic party has become high efficiency destructors of america, and the republican party, thanks to the rinos, have become low efficiency opposition. and the fact that our legislature leadership have sit here and done nothing about it, they've become complicit in the fraud. and they sit here as though we're going to forget, and i'm here to let them know that we will not forget. you guys can think you can do these things, you can pass the time, and we'll eventually burn out. if you plan to run for office again, we will remember exactly what you did right here, right now. the democrat party is not the party of jfk, they are the party of karl marx, and it's t

if you don't have a well functioning legislature, very much expect the legislature to be the heart of the governing apparatus but to anybody who looks upon it, the whole separation of powers system is out of balance with more power going to the other branches. congress is increasingly irrelevant. we discussed the fact that in the past when congress went into this function and weakness, strengthen itself using the executive branch by changing its internal structures and processes, add new staff and all sorts of stuff to enable ambitions and encounter in addition for the legislature to do stuff to represent the peop people. they also knew the last column time congress reorganize itself with 1970. we decided to launch a product including producing scholarship examining those who are working and not working in congress but also sparked progress to think about how to take action. december 2015, held the first meeting of what would become the legislative capacity working group. gathering of books on the whole, staffers, scholars, anybody who cares about congress. they come and pick a topic

the constitution said the legislature sets the way of choosing the electorates. on the liberal side, both justice souter and justice breyer had made clear sort of during the argument they were looking for some sort of middle position, and they were willing to say, and willing to go along with kennedy's view is okay, if your problem is that we haven't -- that florida courts have not set a very precise, clear standard that says you've got to punch a card all the way through, have a hole for it to count as a -- say something more specific about what's a legal vote. they were willing to go along with an opinion that would say, okay, well, send this back to florida with the requirement that it's going to set in more specifics and then finish the count. it turned out kennedy and o'connor were not in favor of sending it back and finishing the count. they were interested in ending the count and shutting it down. and so i always viewed that really as a 5-4 opinion. there was a 5-4 split on saturday. they went back and considered it on tuesday. they ended up with a per cur

and that's what were appealing to right now today, the michigan legislature. you think that were going to see real action on the part of the republican legislature to stand up for what is right and stand up for the president. >> absolutely at least the republicans, i cannot count on the democrats as you can see by representative johnson but i can certainly count on our republican leadership and republicans who want to follow the rule of law and follow what the law says in the constitution. they are the ones, people forget rhe branches of government, we have the judicial branch, the legislative branch and the executive branch. i'll our lawmakers are responsible for ensuring women free and fair election especially in michigan. unfortunately we did not have either in michigan because my right as a voter was tainted and removed by fraudulent votes in cities across especially detroit. lou: it looks as if that is happened to literally millions of voters in this country. doctor linda lee tarver always good to talk to you, we appreciate it, good to see you. we would l

in that circumstance the legislature can impose and enforce a pledge. but once the -- once the legislature has given the power to vote to the public, the public now has a fundamental right to vote and have their votes counted equally. and as this court has said in a number of cases, and so the legislature can't then override that vote after the fact. >> why is that so? could washington say we're going to choose 12 wise people to be our elect tors and we are going to allow the public to a popular through vote to give them the sense of what the people of washington want? would that be unconstitutional? >> if the legislature made clear that the public vote was entirely advisory, then i think that presents a tough question but i think they probably could do that. the key compromise of the constitution as to eelectric tors was to leave it to states to decide exactly what authority they would have. states were free to decide to leave elect tors to discretion. but states were also free to choose them on the basis of who they had pledged to support as many stat

lou: next steps may, may be the legislature going into emergency session.eorgia election officials, however, still mountain that that video -- maintain that video shows nothing more than, quote, normal ballot processing. in other words, don't believe your lying eyes. and now some of those very same poll workers caught in the act on that video, that suitcase video, are under new scrutiny. an uncovered video involving two women seen in that video e and an unidentified man. you can see in this video as one woman looks over her shoulder a number of times to see whether anyone is watching. she is then handed what appears to be a device, perhaps a usb, by the lady sitting across from her. as time dose on, the woman with the device seems to reach her right hand behind the man and drop whatever she's holding into the man's pocket on his left side. sup. repetitious, suspicious, and the secretary of state who's hanging on to his job by very thin political threats had better not call this normal ballot processing. with all of the questions, all of the suspicions and o

this is and emergency relief package also in partnership with the legislature. this is money we are going to have right away, half $1 billion. i want to thank the legislative leaders over the weekend, working with our team to support using a reserve cap's to get half $1 billion of additional grant money, up to $25,000 in cash grants for cultural institutions and nonprofits. we cannot forget the essential nature of our nonprofits and cultural organizations. in terms of addressing the most vulnerable and the needs of the most vulnerable in the state of california. these are grants up to $25,000. this program will be bridged over the next number of weeks to what we will work on with the legislature in the next legislative session. i want folks to know, this is not the end, this is the beginning of a bridge. between what we did in january, what we accomplished in july together with the legislature, and now a bridge through this emergency appropriation, through our reserves to get us into conversations when the legislature returns and see what we can do with early ac

and then to resolve those issues in the national legislature. certainly several have called for more powers of congress some of that just happens to fact oh and that is very dangerous because that centralizes more power in the winner take all institution. looking at those with strong executives presidential systems they are unstable with societies like ours. and one unitary. and then to have a diverse country as ours is. that's what congress is such an important institution to connect directly with people everywhere and then to hash things out. and that requires tremendous capacity. and the short answer is there are a lot of things that only a national legislature and congress can do. we need to accept that and get congress the resources it needs to do that. >> here is a question to tim from susan. she points to the work of the select committee on modernizing congress as some of the concerns are like those the committee tries to take up how do you think of the differences between your diagnosis and the work that committee has been doing so far?

>> a legislature and a national legislature is unique institution it's at the center of every modernmocracy. certainly there are certain issues that can be dealt with at the state and local level by the extent that any is truly nationalized and that so much power and unwinding that power would be very difficult that we have to really resolve a lot of these issues in a national legislature. certainly there are some who have called for more powers of congress to just be given over directly to the executive branch, some of that has just has been the fact else because congress has just not use its powers and the executive managers has taken them. but i think that is very dangerous because that leads to even more power in a winner take all institution and if you look at countries with very strong executives and very strong presidential systems they are deeply unstable especially pluralistic in societies like ours that concentrate a tremendous amount of power in one unitary office. certainly to have a diverse country as ours is in both geography and culture, it's a real challenge. that's w

ignored that and went ahead and overruled the legislature again. again, i could make the same point that you're making on the other side. >> i'm going to let rick jump in, too. but i think everybody here knows what section 5 is, but just in case, that's the part of the voting rights act of 1965 that required certain states, mostly in the south that had a history of discrimination, to get any kind of ballot electoral change cleared with the justice department or special court before it was enacted. so we all just refer to section 5. go ahead, rick. >> i just want to make a brief observation that ties the john roberts point together as well as this debate. i think joe y fishkin point thi had out. it's not about the right to vote or about the struggles that african-americans went through in the south primarily to be able to get their right to vote. but if you look at the first line of the mckutcheon case, the most recent supreme court case by -- on the campaign finance area, also written by john roberts, the first sentence is about democracy. and it's

the burden is not on the legislature. they delegated this task.den is on this many to make sure they hold these election officials accountable, and when election officials refuse to answer questions under oath or refuse to provide evidence or in some cases even order the destruction of evidence, that tells me everything i need to know. that is a bad election. and under the electoral count act or, more importantly, under the constitution it's their job to fix it. the group closest to the people. not the u.s. congress, but the state legislatures, those are the ones closest to the people. and there's some with was.com in the way that was set up, and that's been our tradition for the entire time that our country's been in place, the state legislatures, the buck stops with them. and they've got a hard task but no less important for them to do the work when the election officials are either skirting around the rules or avoiding them intentionally altogether. gregg: all right. i've only got a few seconds left, but i read your report, the outset report, t

who who ultimately decides in the state legislature?e to be a resolution that is house and senate by simple majority, actually all of these states there is a gop majority, and so we are hopeful this won't be political, it won't be partisan it will be american, with these state legislators working very honestly at all the evidence in witnesses and now video in georgia, of all of the election integrity issues and compromise and corruption, of this election. maria: all right jenna thanks very as much we will be watching jenna ellis joining us this morning a short bleak. when we come back special coverage of november jobs' report this entire hour numbers out in about 15 minutes we are breaking down everything you need to know where are the jobs right now? markets are rallying ahead of the number join me allong longing ryan pairn brian brenberg you are watching "mornings with maria" live on fox business. these days, we want sophisticated but simple. cutting edge made user friendly. in other words, we want a hybrid. and so do retailers. which

doesn't just mean legislature, it means the legislative process. and kennedy voted on that side, which i think is interesting. so what the florida supreme court should have done, but felt hamstrung from doing is establish a standard and say, a pregnant c.h.a.d., no, establishing a uniform rule. i don't know who would have won that. i think based on the data that there's a good chance that bush would have won that. but even so, i don't think the florida supreme court looks very good. i think they look just as ideologically driven as the u.s. supreme court. >> yes, you, sir. >> i have a comment and a question. i was in florida on that fateful saturday when the votes were stopped on behalf of the candidate who did not pick a cabinet and i've also been involved in most of the major recounts over the last 30 years. it's been my opinion and my observation at that time that the bush team made a calculated attempt, successful to some extent, to slow down the counting and to turn the recount into a farce, or to appear as a farce, so that the supreme court,

of the state legislature that's the state senators and representatives at the state level they can they can overturn those sort of occasions they can they can appoint electors orals or in lectures that are. not in line with if they think that there has been widespread fraud in this in the state if they think that there has been enough evidence of that so that's what i think the trump legal team is now focusing on is helping to either end our educate or hold these hearings to tell the state legislatures under the constitution you don't have to if you're to what has been certified you can look at the evidence yourself and electors as you see fit jennifer real talk here the president has some financial troubles coming in the next couple years there's a lot of speculation on the federal level and definitely on a state level in new york he's got some legal troubles as well. could this just be an attempt desperate attempt for him to try and stay in power so that he doesn't have to face those challenges it looks like he's actually trying to appeal to all of his bases now. you know it's a good

in other words, it is constitutionally up to state legislatures to decide election policy. for example, in pennsylvania, we already all know this was clearly violated when the mail-in ballot deadline was pushed back without approval. article ii was likely violate thered the state of georgia with that idiotic consent decree which relaxed signature verification requirements in mail-in ballots creating what was an unequal system. this policy was once again done without lawmaker approval. it was a consent agreement with the secretary of state of georgia and constitutionally, as we pointed out, it is the legislature of georgia that should have decided any such thing. welsh remember, that lawsuit was brought by the georgia democratic party. the democratic senatorial campaign committee and the democratic congressional campaign commit teus. this was a consent agreement just with the secretary of state not with the state legislature. that's not all. this new texas suit also alleges multiple violations of what is known as the equal protection clause and relies on very compelling cour

to electors was primary and overruled the legislature.n again, i can make the same point that you're making on the other side. >> amid electric jump in here to. i think everyone knows with section five is. just in case, that's the part of the voting rights act of 1965 that required certain states mostly in the south and had a history of discrimination, to get any kind of ballot electoral change cleared with the justice department or a special court before it was enacted. >> but the main observation thing joy fission is the one who pointed this out. if you look at the first sentence of shelby county written by john roberts, about state sovereignty. it's not about the struggles that african americans went through in the south primarily to get the right to vote. if you look at the first line, the most recent supreme court case on the campaign finance area, also written by john roberts the first sentence is about democracy. it's about the rights of donors to be able to have influence over their representatives. that's perfectly appropriate wa

in the state legislatures. so they are having trouble communicating in ways that voters want to be able to articulate to their representatives. so that plays a factor. they don't have enough time. they don't have enough means. the other thing that comes into place but the speed means that many of the people in this late legislatures who are voting on ratifying were elected before prohibition was that as a national issue. in many cases they were elected by constituents that didn't know that representatives position on prohibition. so there are two ways in which process is very speed. it seems to be a expression of enthusiasm leader could serve as indications that it failed to meet the standard of deliberation that's a critical prerequisite for democracy to take place. >> it's critical. that's the whole point of the ratification process. the idea of deliberation. people have to thoughtfully and deeply deliberate on a issue before the constitution can be ratified. that's a fascinating process. also how some of the

our again i am urging michigan legislature to pass a public health protection. passing legislation that would require masks in public, this is a policy that has bipartisan helps improve compliance and assist law enforcement in stopping the spread of covid-19, so that we can reengage more sectors of our economy. and stay safe. studies have shown that if we all wear masks until the vaccine --distributed, we will face save hundreds of thousands of lives in the united states, and certainly many more lives in michigan. shown that these actions work. yesterday, my administration announced and we have begun distributing these vaccines to nursing home residents and staff. these residents are among the first to receive the vaccines through our pharmacy partnership for long-term care, our ltc program. is aharmacy partnership national initiative to provide ovid-19 vaccines to phase 1a groups. are partnering with cvs and walgreens through the program to manage and facilitate safe vaccinations while reducing the burden on our long-term care facilities and local health depart