it certainly will keep those companies bankrupt oan. it certainly will keep those companies from getting the financing they need to expand, but it's going to put the truth on trial. and in the end, we will have to defeat these autocrats on the battlefield of ideas. but the pro democracy side cannot be the gentle side of the debate. so when lindsey graham or kevin mccarthy say now we need unity, we need to lower the temperature, what we need in this country is accountant. the accountability for the poison of the belief and democracy, accountability for the violence done to the people of the united states, accountability for what the desecration of what joe biden, the president-elect, called the citadel of democracy, accountability for the desecration of the florida house of representatives and the floor of the united states senate, accountability for the fact for the first time in american history the confederate battle flag reached the rotunda of the capitol of the united states, carried by dangerous insurrectionists. so we have a long,

the second is the income transfer that made him temporarily popular in 2020 came to oan end -- to an in december. brazil is a broke country. host: austerity measures, a rise in interest rates? >> that is the thing for bolsonaro. he could go into populist measures and try to bring back this relief package, but there is no money. host: the corona package. >> he does that, there is no money to do it. he does that, he will lose the confidence of the financial markets. brazil will be downgraded. the access of brazil to capital markets will be more complicated. as the coronavirus gets out of control and he continues blocking vaccines, etc., the possibility on impeachment will increase. you need to take into consideration these factors. there is also the question of timing. many of the people that wanted him impeached in the political party will say, okay, he has committed a lot of crimes here, but the best action for us is to start building a coalition to defeat him in 2022. that possibility is also there. host: i think we've got a couple minutes left. if the situation is deteriorating eco

it's it pacify oan junkies. it's to serve rush listeners. it won't just be heard on right wing radio. this episode of democratic erosion is going to be witnessed live by the entire world. this show for fox has real-life consequences. real life sticakes. let me talk with timothy snyder now from yale university and the author of noumerous books, including the bestseller "on tierney." a book that i learned a lot from. thank you for coming on. you came out with this years ago and it's been newly relevant every year. tell us, you see the start of 2021 as we head into this gop objection show that's not going to amount to anything except embarrassment around the world. >> well, i think one way to think about it is we are moving from the territory of the medium-sized lie into the big lie. mr. trump came to power saying a lot of things that weren't true but rnt weren't that big. for example, that mr. obama was born in kenya or what have you. but we are now moving dangerously towards the territory of a big lie. the idea that mr. biden didn't win the e

over the last few years, oane problem. over the last few years, online gambling _ problem.ine gambling has become a - problem. over the last few years, - online gambling has become a massive business. you don't have to turn up at a race course or go to a bedding shop any more. you can do in your own home. shop any more. you can do in your own home-— own home. that's right, and of course, own home. that's right, and of course. like — own home. that's right, and of course, like so _ own home. that's right, and of course, like so many _ own home. that's right, and of course, like so many other- own home. that's right, and of. course, like so many other digital products and services, more and more people have kind of turn to these. i do think that both government and the sporting bodies of government... there is a cash crisis for sport. it's notjust there is a cash crisis for sport. it's not just football we're there is a cash crisis for sport. it's notjust football we're talking about, lots and lots of other sports. and i think there is a question as to is this the right momen

when i watch something like oan, i immediately turn it off because they're not sticking to the facts to the way that i know it but those viewer whether they watch me turn me off because they think i'm not sticking to the facts that they know. how are we able to communicate? >> it is a huge problem. they call the confirmation bias the mother of all confirmation bias. it is incredibly powerful and i think it is become more powerful because, no surprise, social media has allowed us to create these powerful echo chambers, the fragmentation of the media and i think this is going to be one of the challenges of our times. and one of the things that we need to do and there is some evidence to back it up, we need to tackle the information as soon as it emerges. no matter how absurd, 5g creates -- and we have to get on that quickly as possible before it takes on a component and becomes a flag of ideology. but i love helen's suggestion, too. we need more critical thinking and part of that critical thinking is to on our own cognitive bias and there is evidence suggesting that this works in count

and "america's funniest home videos," when you were on "silver spoons," was that the first black guy oanter out there? wouldn't say first, but one of the few back then. tv then was actually way more diverse than tv is today. so you didn't really feel like, wow, i'm really breaking barriers, or i'm part of a great movement. no. and i think as a kid, you're not really focusing on that. to me, it was always about just enjoying what you're doing and not worrying about what other people thought. for a guy who basically had sort of like a defensive stance against the world, you seem like a really happy, affable, nice human being. - i'm very happy. well, because i don't let it affect me. just because you know the truth doesn't mean you have to live that truth. . like, there's racism in the world. you know the deal. right. i mean, if i go in certain parts of this country, i am viewed very differently. but i'm not going to be like, oh my god, the world is like this. you can't live in it. you've got to find the bright spots. i love that. we can talk about the national anthem issue in america, righ

we need the networks or the, you know, the edge fringe networks like newsmax and oan, they need to denounce they will also be held accountable for this in courts of law. and ultimately the president. the president has, if he cares about this country, if he cares about democracy, he will do what's right and he will announce and accept his defeat. >> let me ask you this because you already are hearing the folks who had been given the disinformation, some whom you mentioned there. well, it's, you are trying to silence a certain group of people, conservatives. this is censorship, so on. and i ask you that because your new firm is all about stopping cybersecurity threats. this disinformation cesspool is now so vast that people are trying to blame riots on antifa, some far-right social media users think that trump's video statement yesterday is a deep fake. how long will we be dealing with the consequences of this, chris? >> so this specifically, it's a great question, and frankly, i don't know. i think there are immediate steps that can be taken that i ticked off to ensure that there is no furth

when i was doing the research and went over to spy on the exhibition, at this this oan and see what theyoing, because i didn't want to present something that was competitive, i wanted something that was complementary. i was standing in the galleries there in these two young women came by and there was a display of edith roosevelt that was up. they run up to it, and said edith roosevelt and they said we want eleanor. and they just went into the other direction. for me i was like, edith is amazing to. she was so important. the east wing, all of these things that came to me. and i was surprised at how passionate i have become for some of these first ladies who were really impactful. who had a very big influence on how weak and the white house is run. on subsequent first ladies. and help little love some of them had from the public. and i kind of colored my thinking about eleanor roosevelt but. >> it certainly is a great example of first ladies. under told an untold stories related to the white house. that is in part why the white house historical association has spoken so much the and focus

there is that whole right wing ecosystem of trump supporting media, the oans, the newsmaxs and certainly new administration, but this problem is going to stay. and i do fear that those few qanon supporter, followers that we're seeing who realize they have been duped and might see the light, they may be just the minority. >> wow. donie, chloe, always fascinating to talk to both of you. thank you so much. >> thanks. >> thanks for watching, everyone. our coverage continues. not until i'm sure. why don't you call td ameritrade for a strategy gut check? what's that? you run it by an expert, you talk about the risk and potential profit and loss. could've used that before i hired my interior decorator. voila! maybe a couple throw pillows would help. get a strategy gut check from our trade desk. ♪ it's time for sleep number's january sale on the sleep number 360 smart bed. you can adjust your comfort on both sides... your sleep number setting. can it help me fall asleep faster? yes, by gently warming your feet. but, can it help keep me asleep? absolutely, it intelligently senses your movements a

you need the propaganda, the liars for prophet on fox news, oan who have poisoned these people with theirs and conspiracy theories for power, for profit. but that's not enough. you need the cynical elites, the people that had the country's greatest privileges extended to them, josh hawley, yale law school, professor at oxford, a clerk to the chief justice of the united states, ted cruz, harvard university, kevin mccarthy who told his members it was an easy vote, it was easy to vote to disenfranchise after the votes of millions of black americans had been certified in the states, that they would be nullified for the purposes of installing the loser into the executive branch as the president against the popular will of the people of the united states which would have ended the american republic and it's 244th year. all of these elements, the financiers of it, the people who have written the checks, it takes all of it. what it is in its totally is an autocratic fascistic movement. the proud boys, the fascistic proud boys, the white supremacists, the white nationalists, the people that the ne

about mainstream news organizations -- not mainstream, but about book publishers, fringe media outlike oanhat are distributed by cable and satellite platforms. this issue about using media platforms to discriminate lies and threats of violence is not just an issue for technology, it's also an issue for news max. simon & schuster overnight took away josh hawley's look deal. that book has been canceled. >> when it's deliberate, disinformation, deliberately misleading people, this is what we've seen so often. okay. so let's talk about right wing media here. some notable breaks with the president in the last 24 hours, the "wall street journal" owned by trump friend and long time supporter and enabler rupert murdoch said that his actions on wednesday were impeachable. it does recommend that he resign rather than congress pursue impeachment. you have tucker carlson even criticizing the president. i call these 11th hour changes, maybe i should say 13th hour. >> right. 11:58. it really is. but this is what's happening in the last i'd say 24 hours. a real shift in right wing media that i have not s

all of the misinformation off the internet and oan and networks like that, and has been colated for him by staffers and put in front of him on paper and brought to him, facilitated by the chief of staff, that is what it's like in the white house. you have a lot of people enabling the president in these final mad days of his administration, all others have sort of, are trying to move on and sort of keep their heads counsel and st down and stay out of the way. >> what are the legal implications of the call, if any? >> i think the censure measure is one. the term is over january 20th and the most significant day will be january sixth when congress meets to confirm the electoral college result. we know there could be theater associated with it, but the result will be the declaration of biden's victory. a confirmation of that. the nation has to get through a difficult moment, brought about by the denialism. the president cannot accept the reality of his defeat, the voters are entitled to declare the vote. the ballots have been counted and confirmed and recounted, but the president is unwilli

you can tune into fox prime time or oan or read breitbart or the daily collar and get nothing but his lies. one thing about an impeachment trial is you do get to reach people who are not watching the news all the time and it's an opportunity to reach those who minds are still open to persuasion and i think you're absolutely right, anderson, i don't believe for a minute the 70 some odd million that voted for trump condoned this violence. i think it's a small percentage of his supporters but nonetheless, a small percentage obviously can do great harm to the country, and we need the much greater multitude of his supporters to understand the facts of the election that joe biden not only won but won convincingly and they have been fed a lie and frankly, that they have been fed a lie not just by the president but by their own members of the house and senate and should hold them accountable. >> thank you. >>> joining us former obama advisor van jones and stewart stevens. can you envision 17 joining to impeach trump? >> i'm at optimism for the republican party. i wrote a bleak book about the

and it seems to me that fox and oan and newsmax have genuinely cost lives with the way they have reported quote, unquote, the pandemic. and, you know, i think that that red line needs to be drawn in a way that will minimize the kind of damage that i see here and that we have seen nationwide. it is not about censorship. >> on the pandemic, we're at the last day of january. this is the deadliest month of the pandemic in america thus far. there are some signs we're trending in the right direction, starting to come down from those awful high levels of hospitalizations. but this month, this has been the worst month in the pandemic and that story is not frequently told from the right wing sources. they are still pro-trump. these outlets are still more trumpy than they are republican. that's an important distinction. you wrote in your column that you feel like a lot of folks are being deceived by these outlets and they're being conned. you're saying the profit models are the problem, right? >> yeah. exactly. look, i had friends here who reached out to me because they were concerned after watchin

very provocative on any subject, that interested him, anything that he happened to see on fox news or oane gone days without seeing and hearing from him and it doesn't mean he's going to go away. it's a different way of communications -- >> i hope what i just heard is going to conflict with what i heard, but i want to ask you about another headline this weekend. the justice department and the fbi, they're debating if they should not charge some of the capitol hill rioters mostly because it could swamp the d.c. courts. how commonplace is that? not changing because of an overwhelmed court system? especially on a high-profile case? >> well, prosecutors are always forced to make choices about resources and to charge only the most serious, important cases that impact their districts. but, here, i think the conversation needs to take advantage of this knowledge that this is not a group that's been indicted. it's individuals. every individual needs to be assessed independently for prosecution and doj has the resources to surge people in and to stage prosecution using both the federal courts and

all of this misinformation that he's gotten off the internet, off of oan and networks like that, and that has been collated for him by staffers and put in front of him on paper, brought to him facilitated by the chief of staff. that's what it's like inside the white house right now. you have a lot of people sort of enabling the president in these final mad days of his administration. a lot of others have just sort of, you know, are trying to move on and sort of keep their heads down and stay out of the way. >> professor foley, what are the legal implications of this call, if any? >> well, i think that censure motion that you mentioned is an appropriate response. i mean we are dealing with the fact that this term is constitutionally over on january 20th no matter what. and, you know, the most significant of this week will be on wednesday, january 6th, when congress meets to confirm the electoral college result. and, again, we know there may be some theater associated with that, but the result will be the declaration of biden's victory, a confirmation of that. so the nation has to get

the incentive structure is to keep looking at fox and over fox's shoulder at oan and news max. worried about that rather than the american people. i don't know how long this incentive structure remains successful with voters. as biden said, there are republican people that are hungry right now, too. >> yeah, joy, here is what's driving sean hannity and the republicans absolutely crazy. it's this. joe biden is the perfect president for this moment. and they don't know what to do about it. that's not to say he's going to have a perfect presidency. but coming on the heels of donald trump in the middle of a pandemic, joe biden's message of unity is exactly what the nation needs. there will always be a cot age industry of entrenched partisan opposition. we see that with hannity and they don't know how to confront a unifying president. joe biden is going to have to choose a hard ideological direction. maybe the world stage will hand him a tough deck of cards. in this moment, joe biden is the perfect president, and here's the one thing republicans could be talking about or democrats,

. >> that was my first question and they said no one is off the table and they included fox news, oanepoch times, is sean hannity, maria bartiromo, no one is off the table yet because many of these people they believe had every reason to believe this was false information and they kept spreading it. now ghoul anything, you mentioned his response to all of this. he said that what he wants -- the amount being asked for, $1.3 billion is quite obviously intended to frighten people feint heart. it's another act of intimidation by the hate-filled left wing to wipe out and censor the exercise of free speech to which they are going to say no, no, no. you had lots and lots of free speech. now it's time to pay the piper. >> they have some legal analysis on all of this for all the reporting in the setup. elliott will jams with me, cnn legal analyst and former deputy assistant attorney general under the obama administration. the elliott, the filing is full of examples of giuliani and we heard tom playing giuliani's words himself, right, for his thoughts on dominion. hearing is all, what stand out

he posed as an election and voting machine expert on oan.nt tweeted this segment several times with ron watkins in it saying he can find all the problems of the dominion conspiracy himself. obviously these networks have backed off this substantial in the last couple weeks because of the threat of litigation. do minion said you keep doing this, we're going to sue you. so they have backed away from this over time, but not the people on the internet to feel impervious to this sort of litigation. it feeds the president directly on twitter through a pipeline that has nothing to do with regular mainstream media. >> let me get another one from you. he repeated false claims about suitcases or trunks stuffed with votes. this has real world implications or does too? >> this one is really particularly insidious. he cites a hash tag that targets one woman in georgia. a woman in says that she's a kn scammer on this phone call. this woman runs a kiosk at the mall. she sells handbags on instagram. this is not a known scammer. this is a person volunteering

and i don't think that the fox, oan, news max distraction machine is going to be able to save them once that testimony under oath. now, with respect to the justice department story, i mean, even by trump standards, ari, it's a crazy story. i'm not sure of the numbers which is higher, the number of times that joe biden won georgia or the number of impeachable offenses that trump committed while trying to do so. and that's trump. but you know, the story here is to me the most significant story in the justice department in 50 years, that the president was pushing the justice department to the point of saying he was going to replace the acting attorney general with one of the subordinates who would do his business and interfere with the georgia election. i mean, that is breathtaking. that's putinesque. >> yeah, i'm glad you put your finger on that because, again, i'm not blind and deaf to what's going on in the evolution and exhalation many americans felt on wednesday. but those feelings, emotional, political, or otherwise, cannot guide the constitutional rule of law. and so as you remind e

i guess if he wants a career on talk radio or, you know, oan or some of these trump networks, if he wantsworld, he faces a dilemma of what to do tomorrow. even though, frankly, there is nothing he really can do. >> i think vice president pence is rather unique, anderson, in that he's the one individual who comes to mind who has remained in the inner circle for all four years and has never incurred the public wrath of the president. and with regard to tomorrow, you remember filipe petite, i'm sure rk sure, the guy who in the '70s walked between the two buildings on a tightrope. fabulous movie, i loved it. but that's what i picture for vice president pence tomorrow, because he's walking that tightrope and he doesn't want to anger trump because he wants to stay in the good fold like the rest of them because he's concerned about the base. by the same token, i do think of him as a traditionalist who doesn't want to defile the constitution and his prescribed ministerial role. so how does he achieve both of those tomorrow? it's going to be fascinating to watch. >> nia, at least 13 republican sen

same thing, they were repeating the conspiracy theories that they read on facebook, that they hear on oan or certain segments on fox news and they were repeating the conspiracy theories that trump has been pushing from his twitter and facebook and youtube accounts for years. yesterday as supporters were finally leaving the capitol after breaking in, i asked some of them if they were proud of what had happened here yesterday. have a listen. >> are you proud of what happened here today? >> absolutely. i think we should have gone on in and yanked our senators out by the hair of the head and drug them out and said no more. >> i mean, but what does this achieve, this violence -- >> are we violent? there is no violent. >> this is a peaceful protest. >> there's people that have been hurt. >> not by anybody here. >> you're wrong. >> there's been no violence. >> is this really a way that a president should be behaving? >> absolutely. yes. >> yes. >> reporter: and, you know, the delusion, you know, that these people view themselves as patriots and conspiracy theories about what happened yesterday i

he is on oan saying he knows things about voting machines. he has no experience in voting machines.constantly, his segments constantly, he who might be q from qanon. he runs the website that qanon posts on rg right? that's where all of this is coming from. this is raw qanon just sort of like they are shifting their topic points. the democratic cabal and they are changing it to be about the president remaining in office. >> nbc's ben collins, thank you very much. >>> and coming up, congressman jim clyburn is standing by. the house majority whip joins the conversation straight ahead on "morning joe." ♪ ooh la la by cherie the moxie showerhead speaker. only from kohler. 2020's done a new era has begun so keep pushing forward... because this is twenty twenty won make a different future start different at godaddy.com less oral steroids. taking my treatment at home. nucala is a once-monthly add-on injection for severe eosinophilic asthma. not for sudden breathing problems. allergic reactions can occur. get help right away for swelling of face, mouth, tongue, or trouble breathing. infectio

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