that's what i see white for julie as a kind of every day white racial bullying, a a fof everyday white racial control, right? we have this interaction and then you have to think that whether it's worth it to talk to me, and baby futures, no, it's not. i've got to get to the day, a country to give get my family at home, and so i didn't get called in. i wasn't accountable. racism got to fly. you got to bear the brunt of it and we keep on keeping on with me being comfortable and you being uncomfortable. i want to share a really powerful moment that drives this home. i was in front of a -- back anything we could be in front of groups, and i've gone over white fragility and all of these dynamics and i post a question to the people of color in the room. i said how often have you tried to get a white person feedback on our inevitable and often unaware racist habits and assumptions, and have it go well for you? they laughed. they rolled their eyes. the number one response is never. the number two response is, rarely. i followed up by saying, asking, welcome what he could give us that feedback?

why i see white fragility in the kind of every day white racial bullying, a form of everyday white racialcontrol so we have this interaction and you release work to think about whether it's worth it to talk to me and maybe you decide it's not. i've got to get through the day, i've got to take care of my family at home so i didn't get called in, i wasn't accountable, racism copter fly, you got to bear the brunt of it and we keep on keeping on with me being comfortable and you being uncomfortable. i want to share a powerful moment that drives this home. i was in front of her group back in the day when you could be in front of groups and i had white fragility and all of these dynamics, i posed a question and i said how often have you tried to give a white person feedback on our inevitable and often unaware racist assumptions and how did that go for your? they laughed, they rolled their eyes, the number one response is never. the number two response is rarely. i followed up by saying, asking, what if you could just give us that feedback? how to receive it with grace, reflect and seek to chang

white house grounds. they've been very carefully installed over the years so as to not impinge upon historic character of the grounds, damage any of the significant tree plantings and really to not interfere with views to and from the white house. sort of the iconic shots to of the exterior of the building. so i don't think anybody would consider it an eyesore. >> do you know who, which first lady used the pool more than anybody else? >> i believe it was barbara bush. >> it was barbara bush, who loved to swim. and i think she had to be very careful when she wore her white terry cloth bathrobe, he got by without anybody seeing her. [laughter] i remember old pictures of the white house showing they had a greenhouse or a conservatoriesome. >> yeah. so the -- conservatory? >> yeah. so the greenhouses and the conservatory are both 9th century -- 19th century aspects of the white house and the white house grounds. the conservatory was a private space rather for the president and first lady, their invited guests

i always knew i was white and it always knew it was better to be white. and in fact we knew black people to ameliorate some of our class shaman i can remember being hungry, being out in public at a park and seeing food left out and reaching fornd that food beg admonished not to touch it because you don't know who touched it, could've been the language of the time was a colored person. also there, you don't know who sat there, could've been a colored person. and the messagers was clear. had a colored person touched that, it would be dirty. now i was actually dirty. but in thoseho moments, i wasn't poor anymore, was not shameful anymore. as a form of projecting our dirt and shame onto black people. it is the way that we align ourselves realign yourselves to the dominant white culture that are poverty separated us from but i don't have enough racism because a group for a just learned that my place in the racial hierarchy from a different class divisions that i would've learned it had been middle-class pretty would've learned it there well but just different

there are people in your closed circle who happen to be white, who are white. you make a distinction and there's a distinction between being white and happy being white.wh you have to make a decision in those moments. do i risk our friendship to tell him or her what hejust did or what she did . do i let that slide or do we move on ? i have to interpret this today, that is always being g asked to account for why a, b and c. there's a sense in which there is not only the broad map of questions but there are also these internal demands that are placed on relationships, interracial relationships. and i got this since in your own book when you found yourself doing certain things, you would call your black friends who do similar work and they would have to walk you through it . and what kind of labor that is. that's an additional kind of labor you don't have with others. does that make sense? >> there are two concepts that are useful for me and one is our static load in that reverse to chronic stressors. lots of people carry our static load but racial weathering is t

i think it came out around three quarters of a white people not having white friends. i was thinking that will never be an issue in my's life. for a generation of children that will be for a lot of people are seemingly growing up there really going to schools where they won't that is a cornerstone of impacting and how people see empathy and how they see potential for other people. i would also like for other people to think about how that means. i think this book is a really good pathway to think about the other relationships we have in our lives really key and important relationship which is parenting. i do want to say it my parents are watching also my editors watching, you understand no book is what it would be without its editor and aaaa so. i just want to express my gratitude to vanessa she is accompanied me that is been both a love and a fierceness with creating a could help people ask those questions you just articulated to me. i just want to say how deeply grateful i am to my editor and for you, your love seeing you swimming through the world of the life jacket

the median age of a white american is in the mid 40's.hat tells you the median american is getting close to the end of their childbearing years. the median age of a hispanic american is in the low 30's. the same for the median african-american and asian-american. that tells you there are more women in those minority communities who are in the childbearing age. they are more likely to have kids and expand their communities through natural growth. there are fewer by percentage white people in that category. host: the wall street journal reported that when it comes to population growth overall, seven 44 -- 7.4% violation growth. most counties lost population. six states and the district of columbia now have majorities of people of color, including nevada and maryland. talk about what is going on at the state level. guest: every state is becoming more diverse. the funny thing is of that data all 50 states became less white over the last decade. the only place that became more white was in the district of columbia. d.c., about 2% of its popula

and happy to be white. you have to make a decision in those moments, i risk our friendship to tell him or her what they just did? do i just let it slide and move on? do i have to interpret this today?od always being asked to give an account so there is a sense in which there's not only the macro question issues described but there are internal demands placed on relationships, interracial relationships. in your own book you find yourself doing certain things you'd call her black friends who do similar work and have to walk you through it. what kind of labor that, the labor you don't have what others, does that make sense? remark absolutely. there are two concepts useful for me here, chronic stressors, but racial weathering is the result due to the stress of living in a society in which systemic racism is the foundation and all the agony, i just said that coming from i am oblivious and i say it in my carry on. i had a great time at the party and you are spending hours agonizing, is it worth it to talk to her?

from the trump white house felt? >> i i haven't spent that much time in the biden white house but i got some more questions about this. i will say i think it's hard, it's just as hard to cover trump as it is to cover biden. people think in a way like covering trump is kind of this easy pickings, there's so many things, details to learn and things to collect but the problem with covering trump was that so much of it wasn't reliable or coming from reliable narrators here. i mentioned my kind of long newspaper career, whether it was any of these county commission meeting for school board meetings or state legislative committee hearings, like never have been anywhere except the trump white house where eight people could go into a meeting and 12 versions of that what happened in that meeting emerged afterwards. to understand what is happening behind the scenes you needed to talk to almost everybody who was in the room to have an understanding of what happened. there were so many rivalries, so many, i mean trump came up in

i always knew i was white. i always knew it was better to be white. and in fact, we used like people to ameliorate some of our class shame. ican remember being hungry, being out in public and apart and seeing food left out and reaching for that food . and being admonished not to touch h it because you don't know who touched it, could have been the language of the time was colored person. don't sit there, you don't know who's out there. couldhave been a colored person . the message was clear, had a colored person that would be dirty. now, i was actually dirty. but in those moments i wasn't poor anymore. i wasn't shameful anymore. it is a form of projecting our dirt and shame on two blackpeople . and it was a way that we aligned ourselves or i would say realigned our self with the dominant whiteculture that are poverty separated us from . i don't have less racism because i grew up poor, i just learned my placein the racial hierarchy . and from a different class position that i would have learned it had i been middle-class. i would have learned there too

white house correspondent.ng awards for reporting from both the national press club and the ford foundation. michael set out to write a book about trump's 2020 reelection campaign. he expected to do what he calls in the introduction a traditional campaign book about how copy would market himself for a second term. of course, 2020 turned out to be most unconventional year given the pandemic and nothing traditional about trump's campaign. book chronicles much of the chaos and disorganization that marked the reelection effort, disastrous dysfunctional response to the coronavirus crisis, the internal battles between trump and military advisers over whether to unleash soldiers on civil rights protests and much, much more. the review of the book, nuance, sharp and fairly reviewing and publishers turned the work in immersive blow by blow onedown. michael's conversation partner here this evening has been the columnist for the wall street journal since 2000. she's also the author of 9 books, u.s. politics history and cu

that causes lots of white people to melt down into white fragility.ou don't know me how can you say anything about me? it's true i don't know all of you are most of the white people and talking about. that's on each individual white person too look at. how have i been shaped by this? my class position, my gender or my life experiences. white supremacy the idea that it is the ideal human. the further you are away from that standard the less human and the species. the less human you are. the moment a baby is born and the declaration o is made or boy or girl a bunch of socialization kicks and you cannot avoidid it. and none of us could be exempt from it. and then what people think to use. so i call it the yeah but. and thenn to say so the differences black people who may live separate from white people so those decades and practices for some black people i don't think people to with all the resources so it is a result of those policies. and you are not sitting at the table making decisions that affect my life that my group is sitting at that table. and t

that's what i see white for julie as a kind of every day white racial bullying, a a fof everyday white racial control, right? we have this interaction and then you have to think that whether it's worth it to talk to me, and baby futures, no, it's not. i've got to get to the day, a country to give get my family at home, and so i didn't get called in. i wasn't accountable. racism got to fly. you got to bear the brunt of it and we keep on keeping on with me being comfortable and you being uncomfortable. i want to share a really powerful moment that drives this home. i was in front of a -- back anything we could be in front of groups, and i've gone over white fragility and all of these dynamics and i post a question to the people of color in the room. i said how often have you tried to get a white person feedback on our inevitable and often unaware racist habits and assumptions, and have it go well for you? they laughed. they rolled their eyes. the number one response is never. the number two response is, rarely. i followed up by saying, asking, welcome what he could give us that feedback?

white supremacist ethics. white supremacy wants to destroy what's to oh, it till you was a little white woman. let me kill you. let me at this rate you let me wipe you out . that kind of desire for vengeance is not justice. to me, justice is what love sounds like. when it speaks in public, and if we talk about justice, let's also spare the lives of the people with whom we disagree. those who are most vigilant and arrogant, white supremacist hold them accountable. i don't even want to destroy their lives. i want to destroy the infrastructure that supports them, the white nationalist ideology that propelled them. but them as human beings know and cancel culture makes no distinction. so my friend, i think there's a way to it now is wrong and harm to hold people accountable, but also to do things in a fashion that will preserve the integrity of the human being, responded. let me very quickly him by saying that i picked up, you know, i was a young creature into 21 years old, back in tennessee. and it was my job to

caller: when did europeans become white? irish and italians were not considered white. it's going to be a country of color and they never tell you that. that's the way it was before the coming of the europeans. what year were eastern europeans considered white? guest: a good question. there are designations that go beyond just the sort of topline numbers. we will get more census data later and it takes a lot of years to roll out the information they collected in the senses last year. basically, if you are of european heritage, you consider yourself white. there are sub-questions and the longer form where they ask you what your heritage actually is. you can write in your family designation so if you are of italian heritage or english heritage or french or german, you can write that in and the same one of the things i am interested in is the breakdown of the hispanic community in the united states and whether or not they consider themselves people of mexican dissent or watermelon dissent or cuban dissent or wherever they come from and how long that lasts over the generati

that's a complement to whiteness and if you wear your mask, he could say that's whiteness, too.magine if it were reversed. there were white -- you've got to wear your mask, typical white people telling people what to do. instead you have white people saying you don't have to wear a mask in class, typical whiteness, it's a hack. >> it shows you what racism has become. they define it as republican parents don't want to wear masks where as 50 years ago, racism was, democrats wearing hoods. >> yes. >> let's take a look at the history here. >> speaking of white, tom, you're wearing your white pants. >> either that or you're not wearing any pants. because you're really white. >> greg: i always have to give tom credit for this. >> thank you. >> greg: usually -- >> let's move on. i got the credit i need. >> you were the first person who told me that the mask thing would be one of the biggest issues of next year. remember when you said that to me and i yelled at you, shut up, tom, you were giving me a massage. when i get a massage i do not like people talking politics to me. and you star

. >> racism is more than a group of bad white folks, you see. it is built into the society. >> why is critical race theory at the center of a new national debate? >> the crusade against american history is toxic propaganda. >> john mcwhorter is a best-selling ahor. he's a professor of linguistics, a contrarian, and a commentator on race in america. >> "yes, we can't" has never been the slogan for black america, and it's not now. >> someone who has long followed critical race theory, he criticizes both what it's become and how it's used as a political punching bag. >> they're not trying to educate. they're trying to indoctrinate. >> what does john mcwhorter say now? >> "firing line with margaret hoover" is made possible in part by... and by... rporate funding is proded by... >> john mcwhorter, welcome to "firing line." >> thank you for having me, margaret. >> look, before we launch into critical race theory, which i'd love to talk to you about, i want to give our viewers a sense of your background and perspective. you are a prolific author, a pod

all white sox on the field tonight. outs away from finishing off just their third ever three-game sweep of the cubs at wrigley field. neither of the co-closers is needed, it will be jose will have a chance to wrap things up tonight. deichmann, alcantara, and the pitcher's spot. we mentioned the co-closers. after the acquisition of kimbrel from the cubs, a lot of people were wondering when would it be hendriks, when would it be kimbrel? >> buster: that's right, and tony la russa said there will not be a closer controversy. when kimbrel was a free agent before he signed with the cubs, he made it clear, he wants to be the closer. he wants to rack up saves. but in the midst of the 2021 season, when the white sox have an opportunity to win, i think they'll just work it out. hendriks told the white sox, i don't care if i pitch the first or the last inning, just use me when you want to use me. >> matt: swing and a miss by deichmann. this wasn't the '98 padres getting stuck with a waiver claim on myers, when they already had ho

now, how great were the -- the white sox? we hear, over and over again, that they were one of the greatest teams in -- in -- in baseball history. well, they were pretty good. they had won the world championship in 1917. they won the pennant in 1919. but they win it by three-and-a-half games. even in a 140-game season, that's not all-that impressive. that's, you know, kind of mid-wing. and they were supposed to roll over the cincinnati reds. well, the reds win their pennant by nine games. nine games. and they have the highest one-loss percentage in baseball or it is not exceeded until the 1927 yankees, who ain't bad. okay? ain't bad, at all. and they -- their second-half season is amazing. they have a one-loss percentage of 712 in that second half. they are on fire going into the -- into the world series. and they -- and they are deep. where the white sox were shallow in a pitching staff, the reds are so strong, they can start five different guys in the first-five games in that -- in that -- of that 1919-world series. there is

white was that one so hurtful to her?en: it is important to know that going into politics was something that neither of the reagans would have envisioned when they fell in love in the early 1960's. susan: did i read that jane wyman described him as incessantly talking about politics? karen: at that he was still a point, new deal democrat. but he is the head of the screen actors guild. they are really kind of union politics. they bored the life out of jane wyman. susan: so it was a different time and kind of thinking but it did survive them -- surprised them that it went in this direction. karen: after barry goldwater's landslide defeat, nancy reagan's baptism into life as a political spouse couldn't have been rockier. she bumbles around and gets on everybody's nerves in the governors office. by 1976 campaign, where ronald reagan decides to take on a sitting republican president in the white house, gerald ford, just an incredible undertaking. and by the way, he almost beats him for the republican nomination. you also see n

in the white house.et's listen to it. . from the early days of our administration, nancy has been intentionally involved in the ever to fight drug abuse. her personal observations and efforts have given her such dramatic insights that i wanted her to share them with you this evening. nancy? nancy: thank you. as a mother, i always thought of september as a special month. a time where they can go fill those restless mind was so much has happened over these last few years. so much to shift the foundations of all we know and all we believe today, there is a drug and alcohol abuse epidemic in this country and no one is safe from it. one of the things one learns when reading your book is that the irony is that even though she was promoting just say no, she had an issue with prescription drugs. karen: that is correct. you have to go back to the 1950's. she had this 19 -- this very anxious personality. very tightly wound. when women would go to doctors back then, the doctors would hand them a sedative. they had

yet i have no white people in my genealogy in living memory. no voluntary whiteness. i am more than half white. none of it was consensual. white southern men, my ancestors, took what they wanted from women they did not love, over whom they had extraordinary power. and then failed to claim their children. what is a monument? an artifact to make tangible the truth and it's past? my body and blood are tangible truths of my past. the black people i come from a worker owned by the white people i come from. the white people i come from thought for their loss caused her to ask you now, who dares to tell me -- who dares to ask me too accept their mounted pedestal? you cannot dismiss me as someone who does not understand. you cannot say it wasn't my families members who fought, who died, my blackness does not put me on the other side of anything. it puts me squarely at the heart of the debate. i come from confederates. i have got rebel gray blue blood coursing through my veins. my great grandfather will was raised with the knowledge that edmund pettis was his father. pettis th

let's begin with "red, white and black." what is red, white and black supposed to signify a. >> it signifies that black americans are part of this nation and we are not just some species set apart and therefore the claim this heritage and blacks fought in every war in the country. my father was a veteran of the first world war who died as a result andd to signify that blk americans are anth integral part of this nation and deserve to be so. but we also know that there have been people who have profited off of it in effect i let the civil rights movement in the 60s because i believed a lot of those who suffered and sacrificed the most did not advocate from the change and i remember demonstrating outside when they desegregated and they hired nine black ph.d. --. we believe they should be hired because they were qualified not because they did not benefit but i realized after two or three such encounters that i was in the wrong struggle. at the headline in my office that was written by the late l. raspberry a headline in 1965 oc

gerald ford takes over the white house with only a day's notice. he is surrounded by aides and advisors who are nixon loyalists. those include the chief of staff alexander hague, general hague, the attorney general william saxby, nixon's fifth attorney general because they all kept resigning due to the scandal. in california, nixon's former press secretary ron ziggler is now acting as nixon's handler from afar. in the midst of this, a big issue arises. what is going to happen to nixon's records and tapes? these are key evidence in all of the watergate trials of nixon's co-conspirators in the white house. they are scheduled to go forward in a few months. there are only a few people surrounding president ford that he can trust. bob hartman, who was his chief speech writer and now counsel to the president phil buer and a young lawyer named benton becker. he was a trusted colleague. he was special counsel to president ford. most of the figures in this drama died years and years ago. one of them, benton becker, whom president ford trusted completely, ju

but whites are not attacking blacks. we are killing our children. they are not coming into our communitiesinshooting our children . 94 percent of the murderers are black on black. >> on that note and of course we could go on for hours. this is a huge subject but thank you very much for this conversation. and i look forward some time to being able to meet you face-to-face. >> i hope so too and you are a good interviewer. >> thank you very much, be well. >> "after words" is available as a podcast. visit c-span.org/podcast. watch this and all previous interviews at c-span.org, just click the "after words" button at thetop of the page . >> is my great pleasure as a college history major and a lover of history and reading history towelcome our guest today ,

people and white supremacy and white power which hesensitizes black children . i went to a historically black college and i became more empowered than going to a school that was integrated but you have to address the issue of those that have the most need but it only becomes a weak issue when america has a global initiative but -- >> i want to give each guest a final minute to respond to some of that so chanel wilson, do you wantto start ? >> my personal opinion is i don't agree the united states even needs to think about itself as in competition with the rest of the world. on resonating with your point about the desensitization in education . one that's eurocentric curriculum that primarily teaches about dead white people. it's kind of interesting but then after a while it gets cold especially if you do it all the time other than another thing i'm thinking about antiracist training or equity training. we have to remember that over 80 percent of teachers in the united states are white women so from that perspective and thinking about residential segregation that

that's a complement to whiteness and if you wear your mask, he could say that's whiteness, too.versed. there were white -- you've got to wear your mask, typical white people telling people what to do. instead you have white people saying you don't have to wear a mask in class, typical whiteness, it's a hack. >> it shows you what racism has become. they define it as republican parents don't want to wear masks where as 50 years ago, racism was, democrats wearing hoods. >> yes. >> let's take a look at the history here. >> speaking of white, tom, you're wearing your white pants. >> either that or you're not wearing any pants. because you're really white. >> greg: i always have to give tom credit for this. >> thank you. >> greg: usually -- >> let's move on. i got the credit i need. >> you were the first person who told me that the mask thing would be one of the biggest issues of next year. remember when you said that to me and i yelled at you, shut up, tom, you were giving me a massage. when i get a massage i do not like people talking politics to me. and you started talking about th

this white house. >> yeah, this white house. no, i never felt fearful.l directions so i had it easy compared to these two. the one thing that we were talking earlier, you have to have intuition in terms of when it's time to give the man some space. so it's more of just an intuitive sense of when it is time to sort of slowly back away. >> every three months we would go to walter reed and he would visit wounded warriors. i think it affected him emotionally. one time he went and we saw corey remsberg, the guy he was on patrol with in afghanistan was killed instantly. corey was thrown into a ravine. he was under water. somehow he survived, not drowning. he spent months in a coma and he lost half his eyesight and the ability to control half his body. he had to relearn how to walk, talk and eat. but here's the thing that really took me aback. president obama had met corey in normandy the previous june. and i had taken a picture of that encounter. and the picture, we had sent a copy to the family. and it was taped on the hospital wall. and i was looking at that

marines or white officers could do. in many instances in the marine corps, you have african-american recruits scoring much higher than their white counterparts. the last point is that you had some prior service, gilbert johnson which montford point camp is named after him so it is no camp gilbert johnson, he was -- now camp gilbert johnson, he was originally in the navy and left to join the marine corps, which is why he would come in the name hashmark. because he already had the hashes on his sleeve. if we get to be reasons then why some of these african-americans joined, they very. some join for things like -- the uniform was seen to be the flashiest, some of the prevailing attitude which the marine corps had been good at doing a pr campaign on was that the marine corps was the toughest force going. they wanted to prove that they could surmount the toughest training. some -- they run the gamut, some want to get away from home. and what you get here is a big disparity, remember this is the only african-american training