u. k. the u. s. germany, rutter, japan, and a couple of others. what is this? is this, this kind of, if you want, if you, if you call it vantage or, or leadership, negative leadership is being fitting away because we're going to be taken up by the middle class and the rich gloves of india, china, south africa and others, right. i think we need to be, we need to be aware that if a common understanding that we need to decala nice and comes of climate change study colonize, yeah. or cover like as soon as stephanie, you talked about about paying back. i think the public these days understands the climate change is real up. that argument is one, right? and people think it's fairly safe to say worried. does the public though understand the costs involved in fixing the problems? i mean polluters should pay, of course. but what about the public? well, i don't know what the public you're thinking. i'm coming from a scientific perspective. and i think that most people would understand that you have for that to happen. responsibility. as a precautionary principal, of course, something you have to pay for repairing it and one way or the other. so we need to do significantly our missions. i think that's a come on, i'm a standing, anyone that is not a given thing. give them the staples of our, of our climate. but the 2nd thing is how do we repair for the loss of damages that occurred in the house, developing countries from one communities, but also increasingly in the norse. but as i'm saying, what we have to do as well, to pay for leverage money, finances for paying those communities to do adapt to climate change both resilience and simply pay for loss or damages. the kind of after, after adaptation, loss or damage is coming in a big way. and this will be one of our priorities for the upcoming climate conference. last, which we'll get on to end in just a moment, but you're going to. so you shaking your head a few moments ago, not sure whether that was in disagreement or agreement, but don't want to pick up on what stuff. i was saying that yeah, i think stephan is right, but it's, it's not enough to pay compensation or reparation of whatever for, for local communities. i mean, the colonial globalization has shown that be ever, ever more an equal distribution of wealth on the globe. and in order and the i know double bind because in the north we say, okay, we are, we are ready for 0 emission in the future and keep our, our level of comfort, our way of living. and that won't be possible, because the large part of the globe water has a right to, to increase their, their standard of living and, and, and their consumption levels are we need go with social justice. and that means that we need actually to lower our living standard in the global north in order to allow that lower south to get some increase in their wealth. i mean, the stephanie was right to say this is also a point now for the elite in the global house and a middle classes which also need to adapt. but on a lower level, the need a reduction or lowering of our living standards in the north. i mean, to allow others to grow and increase their, their consumption level. and that is something which we need to tower our people. and nobody really wants to tell everybody hopes for, for a logo global fix. and as i, as i need to fix, and as i said, that just because we used to it because i was 600 years when you get more resources, we went somewhere else and got the resources there. and in science fiction, we now and not only in science fiction, we talk about the colonization of, of the moon or the mass, which is just the continuation of this narrative that we can increase consumption and listen. but the simple fact we can't, and that is something which we need to, to tell the people an a echo cartoon just just a moment, but, but you're going, i just want to ask you a question about the mindset that allows people in one part of the world to live beyond their fair share of resources at the expense of others. globalization as a form of, of colonialism. yeah, i mean that is, i mean, that is my observation when i see that people, even in germany, which are quite sensitive about climate change. still think that they can just go on living the way or they used to live and over said because we will find a way forward and, and that they are in denial. in denial of, of, of the re, germany. europe has acquired its riches and in denial of the conic ranches, off this climate emergency. and i think it's time to really tell the truth, and we need to think ahead and find a new way, a global social justice approach to this in an a global scale does have you have to change basically everything in order to survive. this emergency occur. she said, this exhibition is made up of work, or many from artists, from, from the global south in what ways have, has the legacy of colonialism and its impact on, on climate change affected that their work. i mean, it runs entirely through their work. there were there work has of politics to it because in built in the photographs of the films or tapestries they make, there's a clear wang social injustice and inequity between north and south. but also they work as a poetry to it is a visual parity to it because their work is deep imbedded in working from the perspective of people and places and communities and memory is within america, carrier africa. which is to say to one of the ways that we can start to a fact some of the shifts of your other speakers are talking about is through an expansion of our own imaginative reach. is through being able to stevie through the eyes of other people. and perhaps reach closer to a sense of understanding of what's at stake of the b team, preciousness of the natural world in different parts of the world, of the climate and the peoples and environment. so, understanding that these legacies in play isn't just to lamenting. it's also a way of saying, look, let's shift our perspective. let's expand our imagine to reach in order, but to understand what's at stake, but also to recognize that there are more possibilities in play about how we can talk about how to think about climate change. as a consequence, i want to start to cover this differently about stephan is as you pointed out, this exhibition opens ahead of the top $26.00 climate conference in glasgow with with progress on the 2015 parents agreement. still lagging me. what are the chances of cop 26 actually being anything more than just a talking shop but results in more empty promises? i dunno to be very honest. i think taurus johnson mix a good job on hopping an up and making a propaganda show. and it will be one of the cops some which might end up in nice commitments on the paper. and they picked us on the shelf, but nothing which is the materialize of all which are some granular and precise. unfortunately, we had a couple of good cups in the past, starting from kyoto, going to paris. but most of the caps have been just empty paper. unfortunately, that doesn't speak against multi lateral agreements and mighty lateral get together . i think the goes through that one. but i think the real fight is on the ground, the real fight is not on his caps. and this is on the regions as in the cities, as an a countries and a parliament. that's where the commitments are being done by the implementation has to be great. i think we need, we need to be need to be clear about this one. let me say one thing about the, the over all and up, and i might be a little bit exaggerating here on the understanding a, we have to tell our people in our rich countries, supposedly rich countries. they all have to give up their living standards to reduce a living standards. i think that's a very detrimental approach. i think we need to differentiate whom we asking that one. i think we need to go for emma coming from a social justice movement on a trade unionist. i'm a socialist for many years and i think would really, really differentiate and tell and tell and tell the public. there certain folks, certain classes. ok. who benefit from the current situation to benefit from the failure of the states? yes. to address texas and equity and others were suffering. we have in germany and revenue was mentioned in germany about 30 percent in poverty. were working the, the increase, the increase of the minimum wages now from 9 euro to 12, euro in germany, which might be coming up with senior coalition affects 37 percent of the population . the 37 percent of the population have a wage per hour. what is less than 12 euro? yoga? i need a very quick answer from you. did you know your comments? your thoughts on that? britain's queen elizabeth this week was, was, was overheard expressing her frustration with the politicians being all talking and no action. what are your thoughts on comp 26? if you she is, she is right. and if copper 26 doesn't get paid do away with the ideology of growth and consumption, then it's failing 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