maggie haberman is with us now. thank you for your time.r first instinct, you see the photos, it is to laugh and that's an understandable reflex. however, if these documents were put in a shredder or thrown in a fireplace or disposed of some other way, it would be the same result, the destruction of presidential records. >> that's exactly right, john. when i was doing research for my upcoming book, "confidence man" in the past year, i learned about this habit of trump's. it was not widely known of but known of by some in the white house that he was doing this. as you say, this is a violation of the presidential records act, which is a watergate era act where documents created or generated by the president or given to the president are supposed to be preserved. who knows what else he was, who knows what he was doing with things. his hackebit of tearing up documents and not having respect for preservation but his disposal method, as you say if it was a fireplace, a shredder, almost anything else, it would still be the same issue. it prompts l

in her new book maggie haberman of the "new york times" confirms a habit of the former president thaty for the white house plumbing, it was bad for the presidency as well. and she's got the photos to prove it. they're kind of gross but also very important. tell us what we are looking at here. >> brianna, thanks for having me. gross and important i think are the two important words here. what you are looking at is two photos, one from the white house which is the one that looks like it has carpet on the bottom, the other from an overseas trip that a trump white house source provided me recently after some of the revelations during the january 6th hearing. this person, like a number of staffers i spoke with, while some of the testimony that has been heard has been disputed, generally found the overall picture of trump to be pretty familiar with what they had experienced and they wanted to share them. again, as you say, people are going to make jokes about toilets and so forth, it would still be a story if it was a fireplace. the point is about the destruction of records which are suppos

you see what a trump white house source tells maggie haberman is a white house commode.p paper. you can't read most of it, but it is clearly president trump's writing, in his sharpie. the one bit of writing you can make out is you see the name of congresswoman stefanik, a member of the house republican leadership, upstate new york republican who is a defender of trump. trump spokesman, jonathan, tells us that he sees this as a promotional plan for the book. he doesn't really deny it, though. he says people will fabricate things to impress the press but doesn't dispute the authenticity of these photos. >> i can't believe we're doing this. there they are, there are the pictures. >> you're speechless. that's a first. >> let's hurriedly change topics. axios also reports on new data that offers a deeper look of where americans are choosing to live based off their political affiliation. what can you tell us about that? >> this is super interesting. this is why we move. axios, in this election year, has a two americas index, where we're doing polling to illuminate the red/blue

maggie haberman, you've reported and brilliantly extensively on trump's habits over the years. is it at all surprising to you to learn that these highly classified records were actually intermixed with other records and were not properly identified even? >> no, that's the least surprising thing here, wolf. you know, and it's also not surprising that trump dug in and was refusing to give documents back, when he was told to. and thinking of things that were government property as his own. what was striking to me today, in part, about the prrelease of this affidavit, and "the new york times" was among the news organizations that wanted the full thing released, so i understand the justice department has a decision about an ongoing investigation, you know, this is obviously a huge public interest, to see as much as possible. and we saw part of it, but not all of it today. but what you saw was the trump people have been sort of painting this picture of, we've been cooperating. they've been saying this over and over again. the justice department laid out in no uncertain terms that tha

maggie haberman joins us now.ou raise a bunch of different explanations but you raise one possibility that this may be more about the president -- former president's personality than anything else. >> it could be and he was certainly known as somebody who liked to show things off. he liked to show off -- >> chatchkies. >> when he was a businessman he had them in some corner of his office. shaquille o'neal's giant shoe he would show off to visitors. he liked showing off these kim jong-un letters when he was president. people would come to the office, reporters, visiting dignitaries, you name it, and he would wave them around. some of those were among the items that were at mar-a-lago so that's one possibility. we know that he was telling advisers when he was resisting giving these things back, "they're mine, it's mine" and so forth so that's one possibility. the other is that he sees -- one other is that he sees some advantage and whether that is something that makes him seem agrand diesed or bigger or whether he c

we are going to find out who leak that information to maggie haberman. we are going to find a who leads the draft opinion in the dobbs case. i'm not holding my breath on either of those. you've given some great insights and we really appreciate it. thank you. building our own fond farewell to dr. fauci. one of the original members of the "ingraham angle" medicine cabinet is here to respond. commerce when james comer started healthwise fees retirement doesn't mean fauci gets to escape congressional scrutiny if the geo pdx control. stay there. >> laura: as you heard by now, the panic boy of the public health sector, dr. anthony fauci, has announced his retirement coming in december. he told "the washington post" today he's a totally nonpolitical person, he ran to the warm embrace of msnbc's rachel maddow tonight. >> so many things we learned on the run with covid. things that we thought we knew in the beginning turned out as the months went by to not be the case which really forced us to adapt and change some of our policies and recommendations. that was i

but again, that is from maggie haberman in the "new york times." let's talk about georgia. -- sorry, let's talk about mar-a-lago. thursday a federal judge is going to hear the doj's opposition to unsealing that probable cause affidavit. how do you think that plays out? >> i don't think that the judge will do that. that would set a really bad precedence for all other search warrants. i mean, remember when this happened, basic search warrant, the fbi or another agency relies on sources, people that come forward, reliable sources, that then are vetted by the judge to make sure that they are reliable. but those sources want privacy and ano namity until they have o testify. and when the public fewer error furor has been heightened, this is a security concern as well. but it really woulderror furor has been heightened, this is a security concern as well. but it really would affect other search warrants including this one. in my years i've never saw it done. i'd be shocked if this judge actually unsealed the warrant. >> and now to georgia, rudy giuliani has been ordered to appear

we know from maggie haberman's reporting as well that we saw documents flushed down the toilet. they did not observe the presidential records act at all. to me this is likely criminal what has happened at mar-a-lago and you have to wonder why was he hiding these documents, even when they were requested. but you also have to wonder with someone who you cannot trust like donald trump, what else is there? what else is he hiding? what else is he doing? what else did he flush down the toilet? >> we don't know if it's nuclear secrets, we don't know the exact nature of what the documents are -- >> reportedly. >> is there a limit to what a president can declassify? are some documents so sensitive that if a president did have a standing order to declassify everything going to mar-a-lago, which is disputed by about every former administration official we've been talking to, would there be exception to that? >> anderson, you're right on point. there are statutes that govern nuclear information, statute, laws that govern sources and methods of intelligence. presidents have a lot of authorit

maggie haberman's reporting from the new york times, she talked about those letters as being something that the former president liked to keep in his office to show off like he used to show off shaquille o'neal's ginormous shoe in his office in trump tower. he likes to sort of keep these tchotchkes. if that's the excuse, if viewed them as his, is that any kind of a justification? i mean, that's not an excuse. >> no, look, these classified documents have very clear markings on them. the love letters from kim jong un are probably not marked as classified but this is apples and oranges here. these tchotchkes are one thing, these nuclear secrets are something totally different. >> they're not his. >> of course. under the presidential records act, nothing is his personally. it belongs to the office of the presidency, most of it. that's why the archives expect to get it. but this is no surprise because we know from maggie haberman's reporting as well that we saw documents flushed down the toilet. they did not observe the presidential records act at all. to me this is likely criminal what has

maggie -- axios published maggie haberman's reporting. she reported they found documents in trump's toilet. looks like they were flushed down, intentionally disposed of. axios showing these photos. one in the white house, another one is during some kind of a trip. i know people are going to make all kinds of toilet jokes here. the bottom line, these are documents that are supposed to be preserved being destroyed here, dana. >> it's not legal. i mean, there is a law that is in place since the era post-nixon that you have to preserve presidential records. that is the people who work in the white house and the man who was elected to the white house. and that is the rule. which is why you have seen reporting from maggie and others, the then president had a habit of ripping things up and throwing them in the trash. his aides would come quickly along and take them out of the trash and tape them back together, because that is the law of the land. this looks nefarious. we don't know the specifics. i don't know if we're going to get to the bottom

joining us now political analyst, cnn analyst and washington correspondent maggie haberman. ommentator during the trump white house. good to have you both on tonight. thanks so much for joining. maggie, just heard from kyung lah. in terms of his endorsements, it's been a good week for the former president in several of these primaries in a number of states. what is your sense of what he believes he gains from these endorsements and speeches and do you believe -- and you've been covering him longer than anyone -- this is building up to another presidential run? >> the honest answer, jim, is what he gains from it is attention and people talking about him as we are and other people are. and that's how he looks at this. now, he tends to treat these endorsements and all of politics in general as if it's a scoreboard, sort of an ongoing amassing of supporters. he dives into some of these primaries, you know, at the last minute, like in the case of tudor dixon. in some cases it's without giving it much forethought. he also had a weird thing in missouri where he endorsed two of the t

we're going to find out who leaked that information to maggie haberman. like we're going to find outan. who leaked the draft opinion and the dobbs case. i'm not i'm not holdingn my breath on either of those.ig but harvey, you've given us some great insights and we really appreciate it. thank you. and you would miss an opportunity to bid our own fond farewell to dr. fauci, now one of the premier members, the original members of the mangle medicine cabinet is here to respond. plus, congressman i james comeyes is going to tell us why his retirement doesn't mean she gets to escape congressional scrutiny if the gop takes control. >> stay there. over 45%, you have a frequent urgent need to at night. i have good news for setting the euro lips just to help patient treatment said simply refocus the free flow with no cutting. yes, no side, no more serious bleeding and infection of any country in the euro left. ask your neurologist about gorillas. corkle 807 five to 11 hungry today. angie, you are not going to believe what i am going to show you right now when a gro

. >> in terms of who saw what, maggie haberman reports that investigators obtained surveillance footagee hallway outside of the storage room at mar-a-lago and saw something that alarmed them. and that's what sped up the process for getting a search warrant. what could they have seen on that tape, andrew? >> this gets to the core of what a counterintelligence investigation actually is. the purpose of a cia investigation is to mitigate a potential threat to national security. it's not to throw someone in jail or see somebody prosecuted. that can happen, but the primary purpose is to mitigate a threat. in this case, it's logical they would want to see that surveillance tape to understand the entire universe of people that might have had access to that room. if they were concerned by what they saw, that's not a good sign. they saw someone potentially access that go room who should not have been there, maybe even someone they weren't aware of accessing the room. this is why you don't take top secret documents to mar-a-lago that's not approved for that sort of storage because you can put that

i'm joined now by cnn political analyst maggie haberman, senior political correspondent for the new york times. the author of the upcoming book, confidence man, the making of donald trump in the breaking of america. which goes on sale in october. also with us former white house communications director, alyssa farah griffin, and former federal prosecutor chamois. the president says, this has never happened to -- of course it hasn't we've never had a president in this position before. i mean, we can say that right shannon. can we talk about, this search and how much, how far up the chain the fbi had to have gone to get this search warrant, the presidents calling it a raid, unfair, but the fbi has to go through a process to be able to do this, correct? >> that's right. there needs to be probable cause. for the search warrant, it's got to go before a judge, no judge has to agree with the evidence that they set forth. and for something like this, as sensitive as you can possibly imagine. that the justice department, that's gotta go to the highest levels, garlands to know about. it he needs to

joining me now, maggie haberman helping to lead the coverage of the mar-a-lago search. i'm very interested in the filing today. the subject with the special master, i used to write term papers, i never asked them to double the length of the assignment. you certainly don't do that unless there's stuff they want to get off their chest. >> right. i think get off their chest is the right phrase. they see this as an opportunity, john, to talk top positive tond to things that they've put in the filings and they think they're inaccurate. they're going point by point. as you said, we're talking roughly 40 pages. that is a lot. the doj has not tape, at any point since that search, they do not go first. they don't go out and talk. they do something after trump has. when you saw merrick garland, it was after trump talked. and when you saw it got unsealed that was at the request of media and others, and now you see the action that trump took. they're basically speaking two different languages, doj and trump's world. and we talked about that in the paper this weekend. this will be a

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a hell of a quote from maggie haberman in the "new york times" and her reporting about philbin and cipollonejustice. it says, quote, mr. philbin tried to help the national archives retrieve the material, two m people familiar with the discussion said, but the former president repeatedly resisted and treaties from his advisers, quote, it's not theirs, it's mine, several advisers say mr. trump told them. >> a couple things, one, john, there is this question of whether cipollone and philbin are in trouble based on their role on this. no, these were the people standing between the president and some of his worst impulses and this whole idea of they're not mine -- it's mine, it's not -- that's fundamentally incorrect. they are the american people's documents. even if they had been declassified they're government documents that should have been stored properly in a different way other than at the president's private residence. >> what does it tell you, though, in the issue of intent here, they are not theirs, they're mine. >> it tells you a lot. any of us who have raised children have had a erred

correct. >> maggie haberman, thanks very much.ntitled "confidence man, the making of donald trump and the breaking of america." there's the cover right there. we're all looking forward to the book coming out soon. maggie, thanks for your excellent reporting as usual. >>> coming up, grief and fear in albuquerque, new mexico, following the killings of four muslim men. we'll have a closer look at the victims and the urgent investigation. >>> and the iconic australian singer and actress olivia newton-john has died at age 73. more on her life, her today reer career, and her valiant battle against cancer. ♪ ks. it's so easy. and more customers todayay are relying on their cars advanced safety features, like automatic emergegency breaking and lane departuture warning. that's's why our recalibration service is state of the art. we recalibrate your vehicle's camera, so you can still count on those safety features. all right, we're all finished. >> customer: thank you so much. >> tech: thank you. don't wait--schedule now. >> singers: ♪ safe

"the new york times" maggie haberman has claimed former president trump has flushed handwritten presidential documents down the toilet and now we're seeing images for the first time. axios was first to publish the photo that reportedly shows papers in a white house toilet and a toilet from an overseas trip. abc news has not authenticated these and unclear what they appear to be but appear to be written in trump's handwriting. haberman reported that trump would routinely tear up documents that were supposed to be preserved under the presidential records act and flushed them sometimes clogging a white house toilet. meanwhile, a separate development, this time concerning the january 6th investigation. today the january 6th committee is expected to interview former secretary of state mike pompeo. he could provide testimony about discussions within trump's cabinet about using the 25th amendment to remove trump from office after the capitol riot and on the other development concerning january 6th, word that text messages from radio host and conspiracy theorist alex jones have now been turned over

maggie haberman is a friend of mine and i'm sure she did an excellent job reporting but that's my view. >> again, doesn't think he did anything wrong is different than knowing he had the documents and had been told he wasn't supposed to have had them, correct? >> i hear -- yeah. so with respect to the documents at issue in that piece you just -- you just, you know, showed the excerpt from, it would seem as to those documents, they were talking about documents, he knew he had certain documents but i'm always wary when he see excerpts. i don't know the full conversation. >> i understand. if he had been told -- you said maggie haberman is a friend and great reporter. >> right. >> she's just telling us what the reporting is there. >> of course. >> but if donald trump admitted he knew he had the documents which that statement seems to suggest and had he been told it was wrong to have them, does that not create the mental state which could provide for some culpability? >> no, the advice that he was wrong to have had them could be mistaken advice, and it still really doesn't go directly to do

tweets or maggie haberman's articles as a basis for somebody inquiring into something the new york times writer, you would might find some quote unquote w confidential source inside the wife, inside the mar a lago giving some information. oh,ar i heard that president trump was flashing documents down the toilet, some pretextmp to get this as a fishing expedition. but once you have a lawful search warrant and you gather materials pursuant to that lawful search warrant, you can use those materials even if they have nothing to do with the underlying crime, you can use theme for something else. so iff the goal was actually to go in there and find some communication and some attorney client privilege communications of the former president with his lawyersti or executive privilege communications in the his advisors, those documents could. be used for for the january six prosecutions or what have you. and again, if y the goal is to sort of keep your opponents out of competing fairly for the white house, they could be used for that purpose. not a proper purpose of united states search warrants.

that is a photo recovered by maggie haberman of the "new york times" with notes trump reportedly flushedre's another from an overseas trip. and this one is from the bathroom at mar-a-lago. [ laughter ] a birthday card from eric. poor eric. good news. president biden is now covid-free! [ applause ] happy to hear that. he's back on his feet and as healthy as a 175-year-old horse. [ laughter ] president of the united states. this was biden's second bout with the virus. you know, these rebound covid cases are quite rare. they say the odds of joe biden getting re-infected were almost as low as the odds that he gets re-elected. [ laughter ] yeah. president biden is also cracking down on monkeypox. last week the white house officially declared monkeypox to be a "public health emergency." now, i get that it's a big deal. but i think it would be easier to take monkeypox more seriously if it wasn't scald monkeypox. [ laughter ] i mean, if you put the word "monkey" in front of anything it seems way less threatening. and in fact, kind of awesome. for example, monkey plane. i want to be on a monkey p

several people said they had seen the president take documents, destroy documents, you know, maggie haberman is reporting the last couple days with photographic evidence apparently of things that the president had taken. so look, this has been in the news for some time, but an actual execution of a warrant at a former president's home that is just monumental. >> well, because of the president's status as a former president. but the standard here is as was just said, does the agent have a reasonable belief that in this residence there is evidence that crime has occurred or is about to occur. the crime that has occurred probably is that the former president took documents to mar-a-lago that he didn't have entitlement to. some appear to have classified stamps on them, so they are classified documents which ups the ante a bit as to the seriousness of them. but until we know what it is that those documents contain, we don't know whether this is just a disagreement about whether or not the president -- former president is entitled to these things, whether the national archives is or if it is much

joining us, cnn political analyst maggie haberman, for "the new york times." s donald trump right now watching the upcoming midterm elections? >> well he's watching very closely but he's watching not just in terms of his own win/loss record on who he backed, but he's watching in terms of whether you know, he should announce a candidacy of his own before the midterms or after and that is what he's been saying to a lot of people. there are primaries tomorrow night that he's paying close attention to. he has candidates and where he might weigh in, missouri is a question mark but he's paying close to attention because he sees this as a bell weather for himself. >> you do a lot of excellent reporting on this. is he invested in helping the republican party take control of both houses of congress? >> he is invested, wolf, to the extent that he wanted to try to continue to talk about widespread election fraud that cost him the election in 2020 and so to the extent that he thinks could he elect people that will do that for him and having republican control of the house

maggie haberman's team at "the new york times" has been a variable dumping ground for information releasingticles since the raid. then last night at "the washington post" they were back with a remarkably detailed month-long negotiation over all of these items including the exact number of pages that were sought. joining us now former trump lawyer and chairman of the lawyers association coming up both been terrific this week, back by popular demand. now you have seen this up close and personal, where is merrick garland's integrity for a man that said he was just going to be a department totally involved aboveboard and beyond bias and all all of the rest you just heard. >> yeah, i am shocked quite frankly. this is a man whose united states court of appeals for a long time on the sixth circuit. well-respected quite frankly. i know that he had it subtracted when he was nominated from supreme court but a well respected judge that has been politically and completely politicized as it appears. and i'm not sure it is just him. the number 2 and charges lisa monaco, that is an andrew weissmann accola

. >> your colleagues at the new york times, maggie haberman, is reporting that john eastman sent an email to rudy giuliani two weeks after jury six saying they should sue georgia to keep searching for fraud well acknowledging that they won't find any fraud. so he knew the truth. then he kept pushing anyway. >> right. this is so much of the picture that has gotten filled in over the last few weeks and months as more of that correspondence, and more of this testimony, as come into public view. it is the sense that even the people who are pushing the most far out and aggressively, i'll just say, euphemistically aggressively creative theories of how to push the case of election fraud, they knew they didn't have the goods. we heard from people in the presidents inner circle who said he was told repeatedly that the information, the facts were not day there. we know that rudy giuliani was pursuing theories that he had not found support for. and now we have john eastman after the insurrection at the capitol saying they should file lawsuits around a different election. senate runoffs on or arizona

let's bring in ni"new york time senior political correspondent maggie haberman, and errol louis. i read with interest the piece you put out yesterday about the shall we say perplexing legal strategy that the trump team is employing here. you write, quote, the legal arguments put forth by his team sometimes strike lawyers not involved in the case as more about setting a political narrative than about dealing with the possibility of a federal prosecution. so why are they handling the investigation this way? >> i think there's a couple reasons, but one is that donald trump tends to act as his own strategic adviser and sometimes lawyer. as we write in the story, if you read some of this legal actions over time, they sometimes read as if he deckitated them. they read by rally addresses that he's scripting and he's had a lot of lawyers who have a hard time pushing back on him or are eager to please him. you're seeing a fair amount of that. one of the things that is perplexing is they have been slow in their responses on this. they were very slow to act for a special master in the searc

earlier this year, the new york times's maggie haberman reported that during the ex-president's timeoffice, white house staff found papers clogging a toilet, believing the ex-president had flushed material he'd ripped into pieces. it's not the first time the former president tried to flush something embarrassing. one time staffers went in there and found eric. ( laughter ) of course, when the story broke, the ex-president denied it. so that's it. there's no way to know the truth. ...until this weekend, when the plot went from one-ply to two, because haberman revealed these photos from a white house source, showing some torn-up toilet memos. to be fair, it's unclear if those are official white house documents or his toilet's suicide note. ( laughter ) jim, can we take another look at flush force one? ok, that's clearly his sharpie handwriting. he even wrote the name stefanik. as in elise stefanik, one of the expresident's biggest g.o.p. defenders in congress. if you're in the maga world, that's huge. congrats elise i heard the president dropped your name. ( laughter ) ( applause ) now

. >> jim, according to maggie haberman of "the new york times" who broke the story, trump told advisers about the documents, quote, it's not theirs. it's mine, unquote. surely, someone around him, whether cipollone or philbin, would know that's not how classified material works at all, i would think. >> or presidential records act subject material generally speaking. no, they're the government's records. i would assume that if asked or given the opportunity to weigh in, that cipollone and philbin would have done so and done so appropriately, and they know the law on this. >> you worked with them. you have high regard for them? >> i do. i do. i never worked with cipollone. i worked under mcgahn, but i have high regard for him. i know him and know he's a solid lawyer and a very good adviser. >> and kim, we also learned today that a federal judge will hold a hearing on thursday about unsealing the affidavit that allowed this unprecedented measure at mar-a-lago, the search of the former president's home. how much does the justice department's opposition to releasing this affidavit matter? t

. >> i want to -- maggie haberman and the team at the "new york times" wrote about why this might haveed. mr. trump is to some extent walking on the phantom limbs of his expired presidency claiming executive privilege still applies to him and maintaining he has a sweeping standing order to declassify some documents which his aides have declined to produce. there's something about this that trump cannot let go of the presidency and wanted to hold on to these documents even though he probably knew he shouldn't have. >> we see that in those around him who refer to him as president. >> he uses the presidential seal. >> he will do that at events because potentially in his mind he thinks he's still exerting some of this power. to the point about the republicans that are deciding to v rally around him, defend him, attack the fbi verbally, we've seen the real-world consequences of that. this fervor that was drummed up after the search where then an extremist went and attacked an fbi office in ohio. the republicans, some republicans have continued to say that the fbi should be defunded or destr

"the new york times" reporter maggie haberman has photographic evidence in her upcoming book publisheds may seen more absurd than legal. and yet, destroying presidential records is in fact illegal. yep. in fact, there's a law on the books that directly relates to the destruction of official documents and here's what it says in part. whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates or destroys official documents shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years or both and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any ofd in the united states. got that last part? the legal consequences of zrouling legal documents include disqualified from holding any public office in the united states. any office. that would seem to include the office of president of the united states. now, again, we are in uncharted waters here. there are legal scholars who say a president, even a former president would not be bound by his law. but the qualifications for president are in the constitution. and no one can be blocked for running for the offic

. >> and thank goodness for journalists like maggie haberman who also noted that trump had a copy ofme" magazine in there, too. it all gave the doj exactly what they wanted. have trump look like a sloppy criminal who was just mishandling top secret documents. and made the doj look like the good guys for raiding mar-a-lago. the president trump reacted to all of this by saying terrible the way the fbi during the raid of mar-a-lago threw documents haphazardly all over the floor, prance pretending it was me that did it and then started taking pictures of them for the public to see. thought they wanted to keep them secret. do you really think that's how the fbi found those documents? i bet don lemon thinks that's all had all happened. >> everyone deserves a defense and all of that. i get that, innocent until proven guilty. >> of course. >> but, the fact is, we are arguing over whether he is guilty or not. of course he is. he took the documents. now we are talking about just how bad the documents are. how top top secret they are. not that he did something wrong. >> judge jeanine: if you ar

let's discuss all of this, and more, with maggie haberman of the "new york times," and elliott williamslet's start on the legal front. we are awaiting possibly some more information about why the fbi took the extraordinary step to search trump's home. but there is just a kind of field of problems, a mine field, frankly, of problems for trump. what do you think he should be the most concerned about? >> oh, goodness, abby, all of it for a number of reasons. no investigator can even get in the door, literally, for a search warrant unless probable cause for a crime is found. it's important to step back and realize that number one you have investigators in georgia getting close to that point and number two you had a search warrant executed at the president's home. and then number three, legal woes in new york city. all of it is incredibly concerning, all of it particularly given that it's the former president of the united states being investigated. it's very hard to say that there's one because the totality of it is such a problem. >> we don't know a whole lot. but maggie, what strikes me a

. >> maggie haberman broke that story of that outreach from trump. maggie is actually part of a reporting team in "the new york times" that has new information as well this morning, about how the justice department has approached this for months. but more specifically now, including the doj is actually asking for a second round of security footage. we know they subpoenaed security footage from mar-a-lago. this is what the "times" writes, while much shows hours of walking through the busy corridor some raises concerns including people familiar with the matter. it revealed people moving boxes in and out. and in some cases appearing to change the containers some documents were held in. and seeking a second round of security footage, the justice department wants to review tapes leading up to the august 8th search. two thing there are both interesting. number one, appearing to change containers some documents were held in. why would that raise alarm for an fbi that was already looking into this? >> so, it might depend on who exactly is changing those chang

. >> stay with us, caitlin, i want to bring our political analyst maggie haberman, cnn contributor and john dean former federal judge, nancy - harvard law school. judge, let's start with you. how unusual requests for a special master two weeks into, after new that like this? >> it would be very unusual to do it two weeks after. as it was said, the government's been going through these documents. it's usually done in a situation where the search of a law form, where the documents are presumptively privilege. because they've been in a law firm and we say you don't want the government to be going through attorney-client privilege documents. this is the reverse and away. if the coverage is right, these are presumptively presidential records, not privileged and so the notion that you need a special master to win your way through what is presumptively belongs to the american people. is a little odd. >> what's, what sorts of things with a special master be likely to throw out, or prevent the government from looking at, judge? >> well, any kind of attorney private privilege. there's no indicat

. >> kennedy: maggie haberman says donald trump is not running again, that he is leaning toward not runningredible sources in trump world and maybe that's her wishful thinking. i don't know who she still talks too. michael cohen? i don't know. anyway, president trump aside, what governor desantis has done, and president trump led the way, no doubt about it, what i think speaks to the record of governor desantis in florida as he released 11 ads, most of which are positive ads, and the powell dome at cardinal rule isn't negative ads work. he doesn't care who his opponent is in the governor's race, and they are testimonials to what he's done. they're about lockdowns, education, policy. they defy the political norm to characterize your opponent. that's because he's done such a great job. his covers are extraordinary for sitting governor. i'm a lifelong floridian and a florida voter, our primary is on tuesday, and he couldn't care less who wins because he prevails either way. he has a double-digit lead and i think it speaks to the store in a leadership that president trump set, saying the republ

that line maggie haberman's new york times tonight is a confession. that is a confession by donald trump that he knew he had the documents and had no intention of ever returning the documents to the rightful owner, the united states government. the sentence, it's not theirs, it's mine contains all of the elements that federal prosecutors would need to prove a crime of illegal possession of those documents. that quote was reported in maggie hagerman's article a broke the news that trump's white house counsel and deputy white house counsel have been interviewed by the fbi about the boxes of the government documents it donald trump's florida home the fbi found in their search warrants. pat cipollone and pat filled in the, white house counsel and his deputy under president donald j trump, were interviewed by the fbi in connection with boxes of sensitive documents that were stored at mr. trump's residence in florida after he left office. three people familiar with the matter said. mr. philbin was interviewed in the spring. it was unclear when mr. cipollone

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you knew woodward and maggie haberman were out there know the other books that are being written. how did you decide what the contours of this book would be and what did you hope the story would be? >> well first of all let me say thanks to you and to jennifer and kaitlyn for being here. look it's a huge challenge. at the start of any reporting project whether it's a book or long-range story you have to figure out how you put together something that will benefit from long-range intensive reporting and also still feel new and currently competitive when it comes out. yes there's t a commercial pressure to extract readers who will spend money to consume it but it's also book we have a demanding day job and we have demanding personal and family lives. i'm doing it look at that as an extraordinarily laborious undertaking. we want to do that and find ourselves generating something that no one would find particularly valuable because they have heard all before. a you mentioned the maggie book. we knew there were couple of other books they were getting more tetheredec to the 2020 election

joining us now maggie haberman, senior political correspondent for "the new york times," as well as daniel goldman, lead counsel in the first impeachment inquiry against donald trump, also running for congress in new york's 10th congressional district. great to see you both. let's start with you, dan. what do you make of this phil bin being called in front of the grand jury. what are the stakes? >> pat philbin was next to pat cipollone in everything that happened in the white house counsel's office in the last several years of the trump administration. what is clear to me is that the doj is a ratcheting up their investigation. pat cipollone we know from the january 6th committee hearings has very relevant information to what donald trump was doing in the lead up and on the day of january 6th, and the fact that they are subpoenaing him so soon in an investigation indicates that they are starting to circle around donald trump. >> you, maggie, have some fascinating reporting out this morning that looks at how john eastman, and this is based on emails that you obtained, was trying to continue

i also want to bring in maggie haberman, john dean, former federal judge nancy gertner as well. judge gertner, let me start with you. how unusual is a request for a special master two weeks after an event like this? >> it would be very unusual to do it two weeks after because as was said, the odds are that the government has already been going through these documents. it's usually done in a situation where the search of a law firm, where the documents are presumptively privileged because they had been in a law firm, and you say you don't want the government to be going through attorney-client privileged documents. this is the reverse in a way. if the coverage is right, these are presumptively presidential records, not privileged. and so the notion that you need a special master to wend your way through what is presumptively belongs to the american people is a little odd. >> what sorts of things would a special master be likely to throw out or prevent the government from looking at, judge? >> well, i mean, any kind of attorney-client privilege issue. but there's no indication, an

we're not exactly sure why he took them in the first place, but maggie haberman, your colleague at "the new york times" had an interesting,ma wel call it like theorizing, well-educated theorizing, we played that footage of donald trumpag with shaq's shoe becaus he likes memorabilia and likes taking ilthings, but she has an intriguing point that she makes inig the article today, and say mr., trump repeatedly had material sent up to the white house residence, and it was not alwaysnd clear what happened to it. helear sometimes asked to keep material after his intelligence briefings.li but aides said he was so uninterested in the paperwork during the briefings themselves, that they never understood what heat wanted it for. how do you read that? could that mean? there is like a lot that you could read between the lines thereul and i want to know how u interpret that data point. >> i think it is another wayou saying that donald trump was on ath typical white house officia not a typical president, so the reasonsal why someone would wan top secret classified information may not apply here. he n

. >> absolutely, and we have a trump westerner in maggie haberman, who has done her best to try to explain her understanding, from what she has been able to pick up, but he just wants these documents. he likes to show off stuff and show people documents. these are not the sorts of things that you want to have around for that purpose. and i think that is where the government is worried about. who does he show it, to where are they, have pictures been made of them. and things of that nature. he just wants to be a big deal and the center of attention. this is the wrong kind of material he uses for that purpose. >> knowing other two big headlines coming up today this week. thursday and friday. for more explanations in court over this going to happen in both of these fronts, now. thank you all, really appreciated. upfront for us next, u.s. pointing all americans in ukraine to get out. now saying that the highly volatile situation could be about to get worse. actually. we are live on the ground. and in washington. plus, thousands of migrants bus to new york city from texas, and getting a warm we

maggie haberman tweeted, quote, confusing to assess how this helps trump. she later elaborated, quote, biggest takeaway is trump team has firmed the president had high-level, sensitive, and restricted material at his home for many months before allowing archives access to it. now, the letter dated may 10th, which the national archive subsequently confirmed by releasing, also did apply to mr. solomon a contention about president biden's role in determining whether executive privilege applied. quoting from it now, president biden defers to determination in consultation with the assistant attorney general for the office of legal counsel regarding whether or not i should uphold the former president's purported protective assertion of executive privilege. concluding, quote, the question in this case is not a close one. the letter also fails to show as john solomon claims that president trump had anything to do with the search. what it does say is that the former president had more than 700 pages of classified material at his florida resort and that some pertaine

but according to reporting in "the new york times" by cnn political analyst maggie haberman, investigators already have at least some surveillance video from earlier before the raid, which may have actually triggered the search. quoting now, officials then used a subpoena to obtain surveillance footage of the hallway outside a storage room at mar-a-lago and saw something that alarmed them. they also received information from at least one witness who indicated that more material might remain at the residence, people familiar with the investigation said. tonight's lead story comes at the end of a day that saw a string of related developments, including rudy giuliani going before a grand jury, the outlines of a plea deal involving alan weissle berg, and a declaration of political war from congresswoman liz cheney. we start with the surveillance footage and cnn's kaitlan collins. what do we know about this video that the trump people are considering releasing? >> so we expect that it's several hours of footage, anderson, because, of course, this raid went on -- this search, the raid that the f

but maggie haberman, your colleague at the new york times, had an interesting -- we will call it, well educated theorizing -- we played that tape of donald trump which a killer neil shoe, because he likes taking things, right? but she has an intriguing point she makes in the article today. it's, as mr. trump repeatedly had material sent up to the white house residence. and it was not always clear what happened to it. he sometimes asked to keep material after his intelligence briefings. but aides said he was so an interested in the paperwork during the briefings themselves that they never understood what he wanted it for. how do you read that, katie? what could that mean? there is a lot that you could read between the lines there. and i want to know how you interpret that data point. >> i think it's is another way of saying that donald trump was not a typical white house official. he was not a typical president. and so the reasons for which someone would want classified, top secret, or sensitive information may not apply here. he not only loved trophies but he loved anything that had to

maggie haberman reported they did find documents in the closet of donald trump's office so that suggestsound. >> there was a surprise inclusion in the filing on friday which was actually a letter from trump's attorneys. >> this is a letter from donald trump's attorney owes where they say to doj, hey, with he want you to know in our view a president has absolute authority to declassify documents. now, as a legal matter that may be true, there's been a long debate about whether the absolute is absolute or very broad. do you know what's missing from here, any assertion that he actually did declassify the documents which is part of it and of course remember we've had reporting that 18 former white house officials have said that there was never any such order, completely fiction, nonsense, ridiculous, bs, laughable. it is highly doubtful that that happened. >> very quickly in 20 seconds or less, the special master, a judge seems inclined to grant that. >> not surprising this is not an outrageous request. if it is granted it means those documents will be filtered, reviewed by a special master,