powering possibilities. >>> man, it was great to see nicole wallace there or hear nicole wallace thereet her take over the show remote, but there's a lot to talk about, a lot of things she said that are worth drilling down into and so many questions to get to, so we're going to bring in our first panel of the 5:00 hour, katie bauer, frankie figs, frank figliuzzi, former fbi assistant director for u.s. intelligence and maya wiley, now the president for leadership council on civil and human rights. katie, i want to start with you. we don't know what we don't know, and the public is eager to know more. do you have any sense of when the public might know more? >> so, i think that the public will know soonest when the trump team decides that they want to disclose the information that was given to them in the warrant, which they do have a copy of, and in the list of items that the justice department took from mar-a-lago, which they also have a copy of, so we hear republicans come out and say, we need to know from the justice department what is going on, it is actually donald trump who can he

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is not supposed to be working tonight because simply i must hear her reaction from the news, nicolle wallace, my friend and a person who is being very kind to me by taking this call even though you're not supposed to be working tonight. thank you. >> well, it is an act of god that you are on tonight and i think i speak for all of you, i am very glad that you are. you know, building on what chuck rosenberg said, i mean the crown jewel of our democracy is the transfer of power and the electoral counteract is a law, too. so is obstructing an official proceeding. and i think the tsunami of questions far outweigh the revelations on a night like this, but i think what we know now is that the preciousness with which we sought merrick garland and viewed the next president, may be a mirage, may not be real, they view the potential for a criminal, you know, act, or a crime, that had been committed by the possession of classified materials, at mar-a-lago, to be blind to the fact that the home at which the classified documents may be put away in a safe, is an ex-president's home. we may just be learning

she is nicole wallace, the host of deadline white house, my friend who's been very kind to me but taking this call. thank you nikole. >> well, it's an act of god that you are anchoring tonight, -- i'm very glad that you are just building on what chuck rosenberg said. the crown jewel of our democracy is the transfer of power, and the electoral count act is a lot, to sow is obstructing an official proceeding. and i think the tsunami of questions, far away the revelations on a tight night like tonight. but i think what we know now is that the precious news with which we -- thought lisa monaco viewed the ex president may be a mirage, may not be real. they view the potential for a criminal act, or crime to have been committed by that possession of classified materials a mar-a-lago, to be blind to the fact that the home at which those classified documents may be scrawled away in, in a safe where it is at the ex presidents house. we may just be learning the very first thing that we will know from now forward, as your first words today made clear. we've never done this before, but we may be lear

people like you on cnn and msnbc, i seen them calls for reeducating me and nicole wallace even wanted to drone strike me. there's gotta be some kind of stop the hate movement, you know? where are we going with this? host: all right. a couple you mentioned the legality of this and consequences. here is the wall street journal, multiple records laws get a spotlight in the search. yesterday we told you the wall street journal reported the removal of classified documents has a penalty, a fine, prison time, and disqualifies people from federal office. the wall street journal reporting this morning they had done more -- talked to more experts and this is what they are saying, one of the laws barred government employees from removing classified information and holding it at any unauthorized location. someone convicted of that offense could face a fine up to five years in prison. a second statute makes it a crime to conceal, remove, or destroy records filed with court or in public office, punishable with a fine and up to three years in prison. someone who does that law should be forfeit of hi

i mean, other than nicole wallace?t following your lead, brother. >> michael steele, i need you to come up here and sit with me to teach me how it's done. but i'm going to start with ashley parker anyway because you're the one who is out there in the world covering politics, and i am, as you know, i have historic ancestors in wisconsin. i care about what happens in that state. it's a really important state in terms of understanding who's going to be the next president of the united states. tell us what's going on there relative to the big lie if and how it is playing out. we've done a little survey of it here in that script read but i'm curious what your impression is about what the state of play on those issues heading into the primaries tomorrow. >> well, again, wisconsin is just the latest state that has become sort of a litmus test, not just for the power that former president trump has over the party, but really for, again, his litmus test that any candidate he supports has to support his assertion of the big lie,

got a fact check rights or if you're gullible enough to think that is real you justea might be nicolle wallaced that is not a joke so no need to fact check it. d why don't we sit back and see with the like the unedited one. on mayor, and chancellor, you know, thank you for joining us as well. and for families across the country, this school year, and always has the emotions. [laughter] [inaudible] [inaudible] [laughter] [laughter] tires, i told you this is the greatest segment ever. [laughter] fact checking memes. >> i honestly feel the ice cream edit is better. [laughter] it is. >> what you want? hungry grandpa or wandering grandpa's president? you literally go who's got the president? i feel that's probably a more. >> every time i watch that i am looking for a reason why he leaves. that elicits the ghost he wants to shake his hand is back. he just strolled off. she was at the goodbye parts for english he has no tolerance for those who mess up a speech for the good dr. was having a hard time with the names. so he just walked off. >> i think -- metal tag on him. >> i think our doctored video i

i'm michael steele in for my friend, nicole wallace. we have a whole lot of news today on the january 6th front including brand-new reporting on efforts to keep the big lie a lie to by the architect to get mike pence to overturn the results on january 6th. "the new york times" reports that john eastman continued his hunt for widespread voter fraud even after president biden was inaugurated. hours after president biden's inauguration, mr. eastman emailed rudy giuliani, donald j. trump's personal lawyer propose that they challenge in georgia for two senate seats that were won by democrats. according to the times eastman hoped that by trying to overturn another election and finding fraud in that race he would find proof that the 2020 election was stolen, but as we all know, was there no fraud. the election wasn't stolen and the big lie is still just that, a lie. the times also reports that eastman charged the trump campaign $270,000 and no surprise, given trump's long history of not paying his bills, it looks like trump never paid him. by

here in new york city, i'm john heilemann in for nicolle wallace. that's the bad news.ur as we assess and analyze the monster news from last night, that the fbi yesterday searched mar-a-lago, the private club and palm beach residence of the disgraced, twice impeached, coup attempting former president of the united states, donald j. trump. it is no exaggeration to say three things about this move by the justice department. one, it's wholly without precedent in american history, two, that it's ignited a political firestorm, and three, it has sent the country hurdling into uncharted territory. e

i'm michael steele in for my friend, nicole wallace. so we're in the midst of what could be a watershed moment for the republican party that donald trump's transformation of the republican party is complete. the ex-president himself is to speak at the conservative conference tomorrow and viktor orban, the authoritarian of hungary. steve bannon who was convicted of contempt of congress as well as mypillow guy, mike lindell. this isn't dick cheney's or the cpac during the trump presidency. it's taken a new turn. trump will be speaking as his allies scored a big win in the primary last night where kari lake was projected to be the winner of the republican nomination for governor. lake who claimed there was fraud without proving a shred of evidence gives pennsylvania's doug mastriano a run for his money in being the republican party's most extreme 2022 candidates. she's an ex-tv news anchor who attacks the media and claims donald trump is the winner of the 2020 election which, he isn't. at least four of the six battleground states that dete

it's 4:00, i'm michael steele in for nicole wallace. for the first time since roe versus wade was struck down by the supreme court, voters got a chance to weigh in on abortion rights and by stunning, nearly 17-point margin kansas residents rejected a measure that could have led to abortion rights being eliminated from the state constitution. politico reports this on the fallout of the referendum, quote, turnout soared in canas despite advisory and little else to draw democrats to the polls yet in a state where trump beat president joe biden by 15 percentage points in 2020, the amendment was failing badly in a brushback to republican legislators who are preparing to move legislation's stricting abortion, and if the politics of roe proved fruitful for republicans in kansas, it will be even more treacherous for the gop and swing more moderate swaths of the country and here's how abortion rights advocates pulled it off according to "the new york times," quote, registered republicans far outnumber democrats in kansas and they made explicit a

but if you're gullible enough to think that's real you might just be nicole wallace.d to fact check it. why don't we sit back and see what the real video was like, the unedited one. >> mayor bowser and chancellor farabee, you know, thank you for joining us as well. and for families across the country, you know, the school year, gosh, it's always brings this mix of emotions. [laughter] [cheers and applause] [laughter] >> greg: tyrus, i told you this is the greatest segment ever. fact checking memes. >> tyrus: i honestly feel the ice cream edit is better. what do you want hungry grandpa or wandering grandpa as president. you literally go who's got the president? where is he? i feel like that's probably more accurate. >> greg: yeah. >> tyrus: every time i watch that i'm looking for a reason why he leaves. unless that ghost who wants to shake his hand is back. he just strolled off like -- she was at the good-bye part. unless he has no tolerance for people meting up during the speech because the good doctor of pediatric neurosurgery, she was having a hard time with the nam

i'm elycea muden dez in for nicolle wallace. republican primaries today going to give us a big glimpse into where the gop is headed, whether the party will go all in on pro-trump extremists and conspiracy theorists. three of the ten republican members of congress who voted to impeach donald trump for inciting the january 6th insurrection facing primary challengers today including peter meyer of michigan who's the only freshman republican member to vote to impeach. as well as butler revealed that donald trump sided with the mob during a call with house gop leader kevin mccarthy while the capitol was under siege on january 6th along with congressman -- the three had been facing trump's wrat. republicans in two of those states, arizona and wisconsin, set to make their picks for statewide offices in the next few weeks. arizona today and wisconsin next tuesday. amid a rift between donald trump and mike pence that dates back to january 6th. "the washington post" reports, quote, two gubernatorial candidates in arizona and wisconsin bac

i'm in for nicolle wallace who really missed -- missed a hell of a week this week, i hope you're having fun out there. an extraordinary week at the nexus of law and politics and national security. federal judge bruce rinehart has just unsealed the warrant that was the basis for the unprecedented search of former president donald trump's south florida residence and private club, mar-a-lago, on monday. nbc news, among other news organizations, obtained a copy of the search warrant a whool ago along with the inventory of the items seized by the fbi from mar-a-lago granting the government search warrant, judge rinehart affirmed that the government had established probable cause of potential violation of three federal statutes. number one relates to the unlawful removal of government material. number two relates to the law prohibiting the destruction or concealment of documents to obstruct an investigation. number three, potentially the most explosive, the espionage act. the inventory of what the fbi seized includes around 20 boxes of items including four sets of top-secret documents, three

i'm john heilemann in again for nicole wallace. that donald trump revealed that the fbi had searched mar-a-lago last week and for several days thereafter, the outrage pouring forth from republicans and directed at federal law enforcement was volumable, incendiary, and nearly unanimous. however, a fissure has opened up in the republican party. republicans have struggled to coalesce around a unified strategy to respond to the fbi's search of mar-a-lago, trump's home in palm beach, florida, amid daily revelations, defenses, and false accusation business the former president. on one side, there are those republicans who still unequivocally backing the former president and casting aspersions on the fbi, doj, and other law enforcement officials. georgia congresswoman marjorie taylor greene, of course, started selling "defund the fbi" merchandise while senator rand paul this weekend called for a repeal of the espionage act, one of the statutes that we now, thanks though to that unsealed search warrant, that the search of mar-a-lago was pr

in new york city in for nicole wallace.still don't know about donald trump's mar-a-lago estate, but we do know a heck of a lot more than we did yesterday thanks to fabulous new reporting from tremendous journalists and it comes with a time line of events that have been going on behind the scenes in trump world and the doj for months. trump attorney christina bob confirming to nbc news that the former president's legal team was in discussions with the department of justice as recently as june about records stored at mar-a-lago. remember, many months prior back in january, national archives official flew down to florida and retrieved 15 boxes of documents and gifts. keep in in mind. 15 boxes. it didn't end there, listen to this from "the washington post," two people familiar with the initial recovery on mar-a-lago said that archives officials believed that more records were missing and were skeptical that trump had handed over everything. as the investigation gained steam, some trump advisors have sought to steer away from th

i'm john heilemann in for nicole wallace one more time where we are dealing with these realities.he start of this week the most highly anticipated development with the justice department's unprecedented investigation into the disgraced twice- impeached, disgraced, duplicitous ex-president has been at a court hearing today in south florida over the release of the affidavit used by the doj in support of the request for a search warrant that gave the fbi legal license to enter mrara lag on. on one side of this dispute the doj strenuously opposing the release and on the other side donald trump and a media of organizations including nbc news urging that the affidavit be made public. there was little to no chance that the judge reinhart would approve the release of the affidavit and at the conclusion of today's hearing that judge reinhart was, in fact, open to releasing a redacted version of it and asked the department of justice to submit a proposal for what a redacted version might look like by next thursday at which point he will make his ruling and it will feature counterintelligenc

nicole wallace for the last day. i know you're all relieved. after the unprecedented search at mar-a-lago and the retrieval of a boat load of sensitive and in some cases secret and top secret material from donald trump's residence in south florida, america is still grappling with the legal, political and national security implications of a series of developments that have taken us all into terra incognita. the last time i was in this chair it was back in the last week of february was when russia's invasion of ukraine began and we were all watching a world historical event unfold and carry us to a scary place. a totalitarian regime had just invaded a fledgling democracy in the heart of europe sparking the largest land war on the continent since world war ii. now today i have a distinct feeling of deja vu all over again with another potentially world historical development playing out before our eyes taking us to another scary place over the past fort night. a criminal investigation into donald trump's handling of classified information looming o

i'm john heilemann in for nicole wallace. what a week for her to be on vacation.completely unprecedented to highly unusual, we had another extraordinary moment. the united states attorney general merrick garland, a man known to be loathed to deviate from past practice, a man known as kafrl, methodical and some even say plotting, came out and did something that he surely does not want to do. ee he addressed the fbi's search on monday in mar-a-lago, donald trump's private club and residence. garland spoke from the justice department just hours after the fbi field offers in cincinnati became embroil flood a tense armed standoff with the man who fired a nail gun while brandishing an ar-15-style weapon. the incident comes amid an alarming spike in threats on law enforcement and after the raid on mar-a-lago. garland's, the biggest moment of his address today announced a major move by the doj that the department had asked a court in south florida to unseal the search warrant that was the predicate for the fbi search of mar-a-lago on monday. let's watch merrick garland no

in new york city in for nicole wallace.know a heck of a lot more than we did yesterday thanks to fabulous new reporting from tremendous journalists and it comes with a time line of events that have been going on behind the scenes in trump world and the doj for months. trump attorney christina bob confirming to nbc news that the former president's legal team was in discussions with the department of justice as recently as june about records stored at mar-a-lago. remember, many months prior back in january, national archives official flew down to florida and retrieved 15 boxes of documents and gifts. keep in in mind. 15 boxes. it didn't end there, listen to this from "the washington post," two people

it has been one of the busiest augusts for breaking news as nicolle wallace and i were discussing ina long time. coy -- i could tell you, this is a moment that many were bracing for. >> any moment now you will see the redacted affidavit used in the search of donald trump's mar-a-lago residence. >> nothing of a bombshell. nearly half of the document is redacted. >> redacted means cancel. so they canceled the affidavit. >> this affidavit that was just released is 38 pages long. >> is the fbi found 184 unique documents with classified material at mar-a-lago. >> the justice department argued that releasing any portion of this document or in full could compromise its investigation. >> probable cause to believe that evidence of obstruction is in mar-a-lago. >> human intelligence, the most -- the crown jewel tor the cia. that information was sitting in donald trump's basement for at least a year. >> you may be interested in the news. or law or policy, i am. this is a story that as you just saw goes way beyond people who are super interested in this stuff. it was breaking into network covera

i'm michael steele in for my friend, nicole wallace.or the republican party that donald trump's transformation of the republican party is complete. the ex-president himself is to speak at the conservative conference tomorrow and viktor orban, the

it's 4:00, i'm michael steele in for nicole wallace. got a chance to weigh in on abortion rights and by stunning, nearly 17-point margin kansas residents rejected a measure that could have led to abortion rights being

i'm michael steele in for my friend, nicole wallace.cluding brand-new reporting on efforts to keep the big lie a lie to by the architect to get mike pence to overturn the results on january 6th. "the new york times"

john brennan was saying that to you and nicole wallace earlier today. so, the importance of bin laden's number two, who was the brains behind 9/11 and other terror attacks over decades, certainly cannot be overstated. >> hmm. andrea, what are you looking to see from the president tonight? >> well, i think he will certainly affirm u.s. leadership, the u.s. ability, the military and intelligence capabilities. i don't know if he will refer to any allied involvement in this, because afghanistan was a nato operation. but certainly this is a significant way to give credit to the intelligence operations and to talk about the continuing threat that the taliban do provide -- do create, because there's certainly no diminution of the taliban which does verify the u.s. not unfreezing all the frozen assets, not deal or recognizing the taliban government despite the horrific economic burden that has placed on the poor people of afghanistan and the way women in particular, women and girls, have been completely segregated and discriminated against in the past year. so

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john heilemann is here in for nicole wallace for the last day. i know you're all relieved.boat load of sensitive and in some cases secret and top secret material from donald trump's residence in south florida, america is still grappling with the legal, political and national security implications of a series of developments that have taken us all into terra incognita. the last time i was in this chair it was back in the last week of february was when russia's invasion of ukraine began and we were all watching a world historical event unfold and carry us to a scary place. a totalitarian regime had just invaded a fledgling democracy in the heart of europe sparking the largest land war on the continent since world war ii. now today i have a distinct feeling of deja vu all over again with another potentially world historical development

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than two decades and previously served as the general counsel for the fbi told my colleague, nicole wallace, dennis last night. >> when i read this today, my big, overarching take is -- and i know this is just a prediction and speculation -- but i would say it's an educated one. it's that the former president is going to be prosecuted. what we are seeing is so much worse, both in terms of the volume, the length of time, and event in the sort of repeated obstruction and false statements that were made. i don't see, if you are somebody like merrick garland, who is a former judge, who thinks about precedent, about treating like defendants equally, i don't see how you avoid that conclusion in this case. >> joining me now is barbara mcquade a former united states attorney for the 18 district of michigan, she's also an msnbc legal analyst and a co-host of the sisters in law podcast, who i don't think got much sleep last night because we were on tv to get a quite late. barbara, good morning to you, thank you for being with us. what is your take on what andrew weissmann said? >> i agree to an exten

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i'm in for nicolle wallace who really missed -- missed a hell of a week this week, i hope you're havingre. an extraordinary week at the nexus of law and politics and national security. federal judge bruce rinehart has just unsealed the warrant that was the basis for the unprecedented search of former president donald trump's south florida residence and private club, mar-a-lago, on monday. nbc news, among other news organizations, obtained a copy of the search warrant a whool ago along with the inventory of the items seized by the fbi from mar-a-lago granting the government search warrant, judge rinehart

i'm john heilemann in for nicole wallace. what a week for her to be on vacation.nted to highly unusual, we had another extraordinary moment. the united states attorney general merrick

in new york city john heilemann in for nicole wallace. republican primary that more than any other was defined by the twice-impeached, coup-plotting and pathologically duplicitous ex-president to subvert american democrat see and the process of given the persistent power of donald j. trump in the republican party and the depoched and decrepit party, will end the way it did with wyoming congresswoman liz cheney losing in a landslide. cheney's unforgivable sin in the ice of maga voters and a bunch of other republican voters, too, along with team trump cultivated and blessed the candidate who defeated her when it came to her conviction that trump is nothing more than an existential threat to our republic and cheney acknowledged as much. >> years ago i won this primary with 37% of the vote. i could easily have done the same again. the path was clear.7% of the vo. i could easily have done the same again. the path was clear.3% of the vo. i could easily have done the same again. the path was clear. but it would have required they go along with t

i'm here for nicolle wallace yet again, and we are here interrupting our regularly scheduled programmingch you're all too familiar with, to bring you a special bulletin regarding what president joe biden would in an earlier incarnation surely have referred to as a big fricken deal. the president of the united states as you saw there has just signed into law the inflation reduction act, the administration's long stalled frequently written off for dead legislation encompassing tax policy, climate policy, health care policy, and more. the ira, it's the latest in a stunning string of legislative victories, many of them with bipartisan support for this president, victories that to the dismay of the white house and many democrats have been overshadowed by the unprecedented and extraordinary saga of donald trump's current legal entanglement with the department of justice over his possession of sensitive and in some cases top secret documents at mar-a-lago. with the inflation induction act signing, we are here to shine a bright light on a signature achievement for the biden presidency so far. th

state line, and it is largely college-educated, what i would call, moderate, old-time, back when nicole wallacethat is -- those are those kinds of voters. it has now been -- it has a democratic congresswoman. it's had a democratic congressman in the past. i think it has been very anti-trump, that particular county, so i'm going to really look at what happens in johnson county, kansas. i think republicans are so -- they're so tuning out moderate voices on this issue and tuning in extreme voices because they're the loudest within their party. but i think politically, they may be making a real mistake, because a lot of these candidates across the country are being so extreme on abortion that it's turning off -- they may not be saying this to pollsters, but i guarantee you there's a lot of women in my state that, when they -- i realize that the woman they're being asked to vote for wants to make it illegal for them to travel to kansas or illinois with their daughter who's been raped, i think they will vote against those people. so, we'll see how this turns out. we've all said it. the dog has caught

people like you on cnn and msnbc, i seen them calls for reeducating me and nicole wallace even wantedo drone strike me. there's gotta be some kind of stop the hate movement, you know? where are we going with this? host: all right. a couple you mentioned the legality of this and consequences. here is the wall street journal, multiple records laws get a spotlight in the search. yesterday we told you the wall street journal reported the removal of classified documents has a penalty, a fine, prison time, and disqualifies people from federal office. the wall street journal reporting this morning they had done more -- talked to more experts and this is what they are saying, one of the laws barred government employees from removing classified information and holding it at any unauthorized location. someone convicted of that offense could face a fine up to five years in prison. a second statute makes it a crime to conceal, remove, or destroy records filed with court or in public office, punishable with a fine and up to three years in prison. someone who does that law should be forfeit of his