joining us now is mississippi congressman bennie thompson who represents a large part of jackson, he is also chairman of the january 6th committee and we she shoo note that congressman thompson was the only member of the entire house delegation to vote for the federal infrastructure bill that brought badly needed funds to the state. thank you for being here tonight. i am sorry this is happening in jackson, it is a crisis and inexcuse able. can you first enlighten us as to what the republican-led legislature has done vis-a-vis jackson's problems? it just seems at least on the outside looking in that they have not done as much as they could have, to help the people of jackson maintain and upgrade the infrastructure they so badly need. >> well, first of all, thank you for having me, alex. jackson, mississippi, is the capital city of the state of mississippi. government, it is the seat of government for our state. when you come to our capital city, it's very historic. a lot of big cities, the population is predominantly minority, and the mayor and city council is predominantly minority. a

joining us now is mississippi congressman benny thompson, who represents a large part of jackson. the january 6th committee. we should note that congressman thompson was the only member of mississippi's entire house delegation to vote for the federal infrastructure bill that brought badly needed funds to his state. congressman thompson, thank you for being here tonight. i'm sorry on the behalf of all the rest of americans that this is happening to the city of jackson. it's a crisis, and inexcusable. can you first in lightness as to what the republican-led legislature has done vis-À-vis jackson's problems? it just seems, at least on the outside looking in, that they have not done as much as they could have to help the people of jackson maintain and upgrade a infrastructure they so badly need. >> first of all, thank you for having me, alex. jackson, mississippi is the capital city of the state of mississippi. government of the state, when you come to a capital city, it's very historic. but like a lot of big cities, the population is predominantly minorities. the mayor, and city coun

. >> a few days ago, bennie thompson told me and a few others that every member of the committee is going to have a chance to speak. all nine of them. which is again, a break from previous hearings where one or two of them basically ran the hearing. ultimately it looks like the committee believes it's done its job in portraying this and supplying evidence for what they believe is a premeditated coup attempt and they're going to be filling in some detail as members tell it about things they've learned in the last two months since the previous hearing. again, the hearing is expected to happen. but we do not expect it to happen as planned. >> let's just help us understand what we do and don't know and let's be super transparent about the fact this is literally developing. about 2:59 as we were coming on the air. so there are still some questions our team is reporting out. we don't know when this will be returned to, fair? >> that's right. we don't know. >> it will have to be presumably before the end of the year and i would imagine they would want it to be before the midterms. i know you don

today bennie thompson of mississippi, told us the panel is looking at resuming the hearing on september 28th, but they are looking into cooperating more of the doj. >> i think now that the department of justice is in proactive and issuing subpoenas, i think it's time for the committee to determine whether or not the information we have gathered can be abused to their investigation. >> so what does all this mean for these two investigations. joining me now is a former fbi special agent asha rangappa, senior lecturer at yale university, and renato mariotti, former federal prosecutor and legal affairs columnist with politico. asha, i'll start with you. there has been some back and forth filings about the special master, about asking judge cannon to review or change her order that essentially stop federal law enforcement from investigating pending the outcome of the special master. then there was that reduction, that a reduction today of a portion of the affidavit. to think there's any significance that we learned in that and redaction? >> oh yes, there were several little tidbits that we l

bennie thompson, representative bennie thompson, is asking for a regional water authority.n. but it is clear that this problem, in terms of blame, is shared, unlike the infrastructure that is in place. >> who would be in charge of the regional water system? >> they come up with regional boards, oftentimes. sometimes those regional boards are stacked with members of the community who don't look like those residents, the overall residents. but we need to -- we can fix that. we can have an inclusive board of some type. but there needs to be some type of regional approach. just as we have electricity and gas, we can have in water as well. >> i do want to ask you about this because obviously there needs to be political pressure as well, right, and there needs to be a stronger political voice, and the city's population, as we're mentioning, predominantly black, yet the state's legislature is predominantly white, right? how does that all factor in when it comes to underinvestment in these communities? >> there is a racialized p pree preemption. preemption is a higher authority whi

what exactly was chairman bennie thompson saying. >> what chairman thompson has said in the past is they justice department if they would cooperate and what the nature of the cooperation would be, whether it is transcripts or other things the committee has so far found and what our sources are telling us, the committee is not ready to release the findings to the d.o.j. until the hearings are over and lease if they end up cooperating at all. this all comes in the landscape of the things that you're seeing on the screen right now, the fact that this committee has held eight hearings so far, none has happened in a vac ule and the reason they're not cooperating with d.o.j. until at least until after the hearing were over, is that the d.o.j. is able to see the findings of what they had publicly. nothing here is happening in a vacuum. on the other side of this, though, it could be helpful to the department of justice as they move forward, on their myriad investigations, and grand juries, to have the information that the january 6th committee has. so we'll be asking more members about this as t

. >>> tonight, january 6th committee chairman bennie thompson says new secret service records given tofrom january 5th and 6th. thompson saying the committee was given, quote, thousands of exhibits with the majority of them coming on those specific dates. and a secret service spokesman tells cnn that the new information does not include any recovered versions of previously missing text messages from the secret service agents, which is significant because obviously that's been part of the story too that some of those messages were missing in what they said was a switch of phone service. and then perez is out front. evan, what more are you learning about this new information handed over to the committee? bennie thompson said thousands of exhibits. >> the issue for the committee is they sent a subpoena over for these lost text messages, these text messages that were believed to have been lost in this equipment transfer that happened after january 6th, erin. and what thompson is saying is that he's not sure whether these microsoft teams chats that were sent over by the secret service could

our team on the hill is catching one the bennie thompson after the committee wrapped up a retreat towant to bring in our team now. ryan riley and ali. ryan, i'll start with you. are with e getting the verdicts now? >> they are rolling in now. our producer, gary, is sending them over. a couple of guilty verdicts. but they're still incoming right now, but this is a really important case because this is of course the judge who has acquitted at least one defendant. this all has to do around what one judge called the lady gaga tunnel. the center of the inauguration platform where these most brutal battles of january 6 took place. there's one individual who has the nickname, opportunity commander. he's sort of directing traffic. the other two have police shields and actually used them against members of law enforcement that day. they are giving that wasn't a deadly or dangerous weapon under the law. there's some complicated issues, but i think this is a really important case that could determine the trajectory of where these cases go. you might see a lot of defendants try to roll the dice

my colleague and i spoke to bennie thompson earlier, the chair of the house select committee.cret service. remember, this has been a point of contention, these missing texts related to the u.s. secret service. thompson says they got information, messages from january 5th and 6th of 2021. we're learning from a secret service spokesperson these are actually microsoft teams messages, so we still don't know the contents, but it is clear that the secret service is now providing more information that the committee has requested. >> that's important. thank you very much, sara murray, working her sources for us. let's get some reaction to all of this and more from a key member of the january 6th select committee, republican congressman adam kinzinger. congressman, thanks so much for joining us. >> you bet. >> first, what's your reaction to the news that the justice department's search of jeffrey clark's home, a former high-ranking department of justice official, is actually linked to their investigation of false statements, conspiracy, and obstruction? is this a sign it's time for you

we heard from bennie thompson this week saying they are getting troves of information from secret service. what do we know about the information coming in, and how do lawmakers want to use it? marianna: these lawmakers have a timeline. we don't know the results of the midterm election yet, but a lot of people are already saying it is likely going to switch to a republican majority. we know if that happens, minority leader mccarthy has said we are going to disband this committee. right now, what the lmakers on the panel are trying to do is get as much information as possible. you mentioned the trove of secret service. that is just one part of it, and i know that is something that, if they have a hearing, there have been certain dates that have been discussed for likely later this month, that could be a part of it. they also want to try to talk to a number of former trump officials, still get more information from mark meadows as well as tony or nonno, the deputy chief of staff. there is some actual back-and-forth among lawmakers about how much information they have and how much time they e

at the same time, thanks to the impassioned advocacy of congressman bennie thompson, we secured $20 billion in jackson, mississippi, which is suffering a water emergency. this manmade disaster is an immediate threat. and the bill provides funding to help families pay their bills and stay safe in their homes this winter. this legislation is a package for the people. i urge a strong bipartisan yes on the continuing resolution so we may swiftly send this bill to the president's desk and i hope that we'll have a unanimous vote on the legislation fairness for 9/11 families to again support our 9/11 heroes and their families. with that, mr. speaker, i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady yields. the gentleman from new york reserves. the gentleman from ohio is recognized. mr. jordan: we yield back the balance of our time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields. the gentleman from new york is recognized. mr. nadler: mr. speaker, when our nation was attacked on september 11, we made a commitment on that terrible day to support the victims and their famili

i've talked with bennie thompson on the floor about the upcoming hearing. that you are reporting. that there will be substantial video and there will be substantial testimony. you know that they have interviewed more than 1,000 witnesses and he expressed to me, there are so many at very important levels of government or influence around the president. so, i expect that this hearing, while it may be the last and though he hasn't counted out future hearings based on more information constantly coming in, this will fit the exact pattern of what they've already done. extraordinary work to reveal the truth. and note that most of the testimony that has been revealed, whether live or videotaped, has been from republicans who wanted nothing more than donald trump to succeed. of course, he failed miserably. his corrupt grifting has been revealed. and now we see all of these investigations closing in on the president. >> congresswoman, we have, by our count, just nine republicans voting for the electoral count act. what about it could one be against? >> i can't imagi

thomas didn't answer any questions from reporters but here's what chairman bennie thompson said aboutection was still stolen, that she believed that? >> yes. >> can you characterize what she is not answering, what she's refusing to answer? you're saying she believes the 2020 election was stolen. >> thomas first came under scrutiny for sending text messages to mark meadows encouraging then president trump not to concede the 2020 election. in her opening statement to the committee yesterday, she said her husband justice thomas was quote completely unaware of my texts with mark meadows until this committee leaked them to the press. her attorney also issued a statement yesterday arguing that her activities relating to the 2020 election were quote minimal. willie, just the fact that she's still an election denier is staggering to me. it defies every court ruling. fair to say it defies logic at this point. >> yeah, and a proud one as well. we've seen some humility from other people who have been called in front of that panel realizing that now that the screws are being turned, it's time to

but we do know according to the chairman bennie thompson that he's going to lead the hearing. each member is going to play some sort of part in these proceedings. it won't be quite like the other hearings we've seen so far. individual number will lead it. there is a specific theme. and that would, you know, touch on any number of different pieces of testimony. tomorrow is likely to be in some ways final argument for part of investigation. >> and we're going to hear from thompson, what sort of role do we anticipate liz cheney playing tomorrow. she of course, since we last had one of these hearings, was defeated in the republican primary in her reelection bid. >> cheney is the vice chair of the committee will still play a major role. it remains to be seen exactly how this is going to shake out tomorrow. we can expect certainly more details in the next day or so. >> a remarkable political moment there from cheney who made that choice. so rare these days to choose patriotism over party, and she stood against donald trump, stood against what happened on january 6th. paid the price

we are used talking with benny thompson tonight on the hill about what their plans are. things are rolling, when surprise me at all to see more hearings next month. i know liz cheney wanted to keep these hearings, and keep that the committees were going up to the very last day this congress. >> white, these hearings don't come with legal consequences though, so what they can they deliver? >> i think what lucas was talking about earlier highlights the difference between the doubt jay in the committee. the committee can deliver a political feeling, a sentiment. we can try to actively sway voters at the polls. but that is something that the justice department should not do and he's not doing, because the until's serve equal justice under the law, not burdened outcomes of the political election. < how are the committee is make clear that want to impact election they won't support who are putting forward the idea the false idea that donald trump won. they do not want these people to win their election. so they're using it as a political tool to impact election. another cautio

bennie thompson the chairman indicated that it was unlikely to go that route.chairman said that it's not a decision made epa the committee members saying any decision will be unanimous and they put together the report to make a criminal referral and the justice department doesn't need a referral to act on anything they found but an area to figure out. >> thank you for the update. >>> sounds like straight out of hollywood but nanasa will crash spacecraft into an asteroid to try to change the path. we'll explain how it should work next. you love closing a deal. but hate managing your business from afar. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates matching your job description. visit indeed.com/hire we are the first generation of patients who get to redefine what it means. what should it look like, and what can we be as a community of women? it's still okay to hope. ♪ ♪ you deserve to feel safe with the confidence that you're protected online. introducing mcafee plus, all in one protection that goes be

. >> andrew, listen to what the committee chair, this is benny thompson, what he told cnn about the investigationservice text. >> yeah, we've got millions of information in the last week. >> and the last week? >> on the secret service right now, and we're still getting some. >> significant information, what kind of information do you think he is referring to? >> you know, who knows, don? there is a whole range of things that could be. might probably be, my most confident gas, and it's a complete gas, is they are talking to people inside the secret service who are shedding some light on the process behind how these devices were decommissioned and essentially a race. whether or not that was actually a regular process, whether that was policy behind it, while that was done for people other than those people who were implicated in the january six activity. so there is a lot of, what seem like mundane, basic questions, but form the basis around how you think about the activity that took place with these gentlemen who are on an around trump and whose phones are now inaccessible to the committee. they a

messages, radio traffic and other communications between secret service agents according to chairman benny thompsonsays the secret service has turned over a significant traurchl of text messages primarily from the day of the capitol riot and the day before that could potential provide incite on former president trump's actions and manning on january 6th. the secret service has been under intense scrutiny since it emerged they erased the text messages they insisted it was not malicious and they were deleted in a preplanned agency wide replacement of cell phones. >>> nfl former quarterback brett farve caught in a welfare scandal showing he may have been more involved in the scream. >>> and queen elizabeth's death was heard around the world in fact, you would have to be hiding under a rock to miss it or perhaps in a beehive. coming up, how the queen's bees got the buzz that she was gone and why the tradition goes back for centuries. >>> a teenage girl who stabbed her accused rapist to death must pay the man's family $150,000. a judge in des moines sentenced the girl of five years probation and ordered

democratic congressman bennie thompson of mississippi who represents part of jacqueline is the states only democrat in congress, lays the blame firmly on republicans. we have is a reluctant office of governor, who has decided that for whatever reason jackson would be treated differently, that is unfortunate that was not the intent of the legislation. >> why do you think jackson is being treated differently? , well every other elected government around jackson's republican. jackson is the only democratic city that is surrounded by republican elected suburban officials. they have been taken care of. the majority of the money that we have sent from washington at this point has gone to the suburbs. and the inner cities, the capital cities is being left out. >> okay, this is important because we are going to come back to this, this is the established theme. federal money coming to mississippi for the needs of some of mississippi's poorest, most marginalized members right of the state. then being diverted away to them to affluent white communities. okay, the biden infrastructure plan is goi

so they sent out this notice from the chairman bennie thompson, also liz cheney. they said we're praying for the safety of all those in the storm's path. they did say that the committee's investigation of course continues. they'll announce a new date soon. but really, it's crunchtime. the members are going to be leaving washington soon to go back to their districts. we're approaching the midterms. they're also a question as to what exactly this hear willing reveal. we heard from some of the committee members last weekend. they said they wanted to use this to round out the factual narrative. and then we had some of those roger stone clips from that documentary released yesterday, possibly the committee will tie that into their hearing, as well. committee members want it further explored. they have new details about links between roger stone and extremist groups. so a lot may still be uncovered. we're not sure what or when at this point. >> all right. jessica stay with us, as we bring in our panel, with gloria borger, kaitlan collins and shan wu. does this postponem

representative bennie thompson said afterwards that thomas had repeated her false claims about a stolenelection, while denying she'd discussed her efforts to overturn biden's win with her husband, supreme court justice clarence thomas. justice thomas is the only member of the court who dissented in the supreme court's eight to one decision that led to the release of white house documents around january 6. justice thomas refused to recuse himself in the case, leading many democrats to call for his impeachment. the biden administration has put student debt relief on hold for millions of borrowers after republican attorneys general in six states filed suit in federal court seeking to block president biden's debt cancellation program. in a court filling in a federal district court in missouri, the states of nebraska, missouri, arkansas, iowa, kansas, and south carolina argue biden's debt relief plan is unconstitutional and illegal. last month, the white house said it would cancel as much as $20,000 per person in student debt to help as many as 40 million borrowers. the education department

chairman bennie thompson and vice chair liz cheney said in a statement we're praying for all of thosef the storm. we will soon announce a date for the postponed proceedings. >>> meanwhile, potential jurors in the historic trial of the oath keepers leader and top lieutenants telling attorneys they would be able to put aside their own opinions of the extremist group to judge the case fairly. they're all charged with seditious conspiracy. cnn's senior crime and investigative reporter joins us on this story. really interesting here. what kind of questions were these potential jurors asked? >> this isn't an easy thing during jury selection. it takes a long time and these jurors are being asked a lot of questions. they're being asked what their feelings were about january 6th. they're being asked if they know anyone on capitol hill and who was affected. one of them said yesterday, they said, these people were invading my home. they did feel strongly and they also are being asked in this particular case, this is about the oath keepers, five oath keepers in particular, leaders of that group,

chairman bennie thompson tells cnn that the panel has gotten significant information in the last weekthe deletion of secret service text messages around the capitol attack. >> the department of homeland security inspector general has claimed those secret service messages were erased as part of a device replacement program. joining us is cnn justice correspondent jessica schneider. jessica, what significant information did they get this week? >> they're still looking through all the documents. we did get confirmation from the secret service that they have resumed this handing over of documents to the committee. that actually restarted about two weeks ago. they've already handed over, they say, thousands more documents. this is all part of the committee probing why texts from that crucial period around january 6th seem to be missing, what texts might have existed in the first place. the secret service saying they weren't retained during the routine phone replacement. in other news, members are saying they're looking at resuming public hearing the final week of september. one of the memb

testimony from donald trump and former vice president mike pence as another public hearing looms and bennie thompson flurry of investigative activity ahead of the justice department's preelection quiet period putting the investigation into focus. >> the justice department and the fbi are all in in pursuing what prosecutors and agents refer to as logical investigative steps. >> reporter: subpoenas to current and former aides to donald trump. as prosecutors seek information about aspects of the gambits fit together and sources telling cnn investigators seized a phone from adviser boris epstein. >> this is a country wide steal, a country wide operation by the left to defraud the american public. and to steal this election from president trump. >> reporter: who allegedly helped coordinate the efforts to overturn the election results. also hit with new subpoena, dan scavino and another. >> two groups of them. we call them my team and rudy's team. i didn't mind to be part of team normal. >> reporter: expanding with subpoenas seeking information on fraudulent electors supporting the attempt to overturn the

here's what committee chairman bennie thompson said about this when speaking to reporters on tuesday. >> i think now that the department of justice is being proactive, i think it's time for the committee to determine whether or not the information can be beneficial to that investigation. >> so thompson added in that press avail that the committee will issue an interim report in october followed by a final report by the committee at the end of the year. all the vital work by the the select committee happens as the existential threat to democracy posed by trump and his big lie, a threat that the committee has already laid out in stunning detail over a series of hearings over the summer, shows no signs of evading. a report shows election deniers are on the november ballot. all over the country in races for healthcare.gov governor and secretary of state and general election battleground states. places lick arizona, pennsylvania and michigan. it's the culmination of a political party that has gone all in on the big lie. going hand in hand with the gop election denialism is the campaign to

congressman benny thompson from mississippi did ask the department of justice this summer to investigatection to this absolutely incredibly large welfare fraud scheme that has just decimated the needy families in his state. >> yeah, i mean millions of dollars we're talking about. remarkable reporting by people who broke this story, investigated this for years. let's see what the government finds and the investigations finds now. dian diane gallagher, thank you for your reporting. >>> today we saw brothers william and harry step together united in grief. their evevolving relationship next. so i c can wake up refreshed. neuriva think bigger. we were told, super young, that you have to be tough, you have to be macho in a male perspective. you feel like, you know, you're not able to open up and, you know, be vulnerable with your feelings, you know what i mean. you have this idea of this machismo, right? like that you have to always be the toughest, the strongest. for me as a man, it's about opening up. not feeling too macho to tell someone how you're feeling when you're feeling down. opening

. >> i want to ask about that, because chairman thompson, bennie thompson, has suggested that lots of trump cabinet members are willing and happy to accommodate the committee's line ofmm questioning that, the work has been ongoing through the summer, is there anything you can tell us about what might happen next month? is there a plan to hold more hearings? is there anything you can tell usd about any of the topics yo have been focusing on, we've heard reporting about the 25th amendment, and the gingrich invitation, we're hearing about the fake slates of electors. is there anything you coulds ge us by way of guidance in terms of the committee's activities? >> well, the country has learned a remarkable amount from the hearings that we've had. there are certain open questions on the table that people approach me about all the time, when, you know, i bump into them, on the street or whatever, people want to know, was there in fact a coverup, was there an effort to destroy all of those texts in the secret service and in the department of defense? people want more clarity on why the nation

chairman bennie thompson said jimmy tops is sticking to her misguided claim that the 2020 election was stolen. we'll go one step further. it's not misguided, it's a flat out lie. this committee is still trying to figure out when the holder next hurricane may. it won't be next week, that will happen before the election. joining me to discuss former prosecutor glenn kirschner. he's tried hundreds of cases in his 30 year career including murder, organized crime and precedent setting cases. glenn, what was the committee hoping to hear from ginni thomas. she didn't say anything? >> now she wasn't interested in being forthcoming and i think it even turned out worse because she was kind of a shell to her husband saying things that we'll never hear from justice because he's not being asked dick to testify so. she said but how we never discussed cases we didn't discuss election flawed. of people believe that, there and a number of bridges for sale. but then she also stuck with the big lie. she said she believes the election was stolen. let's remember that's in the face of 65 judges, including j

what bennie thompson is pointing out is that what newt gingrich sent in the email was one week after gabe sterling warned. he went to the lectern and warned people and condemned those making these statements that were egging people on. it was one week after that. he says here the goal is to arouse -- this is newt gingrich -- the country's anger through new verifiable information. legally, would that be a protection against intent? >> this is not a crime. you are allowed to try to motivate people politically by arousing their anger. joe biden is about to speak in front of the building where the constitution was signed. the framers would tell you, it's okay to motivate people through anger. you are not allowed to incite people to violence. the way the letter is framed says we want to arouse people so they will pressure legislators. the one thing that does jump out about the newt gingrich letter is kushner, the letter says, coordinate with kushner to put outpropaganda. jared kushner has kept himself distanced from this. this is the first indication i have seen that perhaps if the commit

but here's what chairman bennie thompson said about the interview. . >>> they believe the 2020 electionas stolen. ginni thomas first came under scrutiny for sending text messages to mark med owns couraging then president trump not to concede the 2020 election. meadows, of course, was trump as chief of staff at the time. in her opening statement to the committee yesterday, she dead -- she said -- justice thomas was completely unaware of my texts with mark meadows until the committee leaked them to the press. her attorney also issued a statement yesterday arguing that her activities relating to the 2020 election were "minimal." a jury has been seated in the truly of oath keepers leader stewart rhodes. rhodes and the other members face he is dishs conspiracy and other charges in the january 6th attack on the capitol. the 16-member jury will be sworn in on monday when opening statements set to begin. the judge also ordered several perspective jurors to appear on monday and n. case they needed to be added to the jury. meanwhile, the senate has passed a stopgap bill to prevent a government sh

the national guard is handing out bottled water, but congressman bennie thompson who represents jackson, on msnbc last night, pleading for additional help. >> we need help. our water system is antiquated. there's no doubt about it. in order to do it and get it right, we have to have help. president biden, as you know, signed a disaster declaration that will help us tremendously. he won't fix the -- it won't fix the entire problem. >> how are people coping? >> reporter: andrea, i should mention the congressman says they need help because of the system issues, because there's two things happening here. people are trying to cope with the day to day needs. there's distribution centers where the state is helping sending out more water. the national guard is expected to begin those operations today. we saw them line up the vehicles yesterday, including tankers. that's to get the immediate needs taken care of. imagine how difficult it is to bring in water for an entire city. drinking water and non-potable water for things around the house. that's what they are focusing on. the state government

the chairman, benny thompson said, ginni thomas is sticking to her misguided claim that the 2020 electionlen. we'll go one step forward will. go one step further, it's not stolen, it's flat out lie. members say it will not be next week but will happen before the election. joining me now to discuss former federal prosecutor glenn kirschner, has tried hundreds of cases in his career including murder, organized crime, and president set it in places. glenn, what was hope the committee hoping to hear from ginni thomas? we both know. she wasn't gonna say anything. >> no. she wasn't interested in being forthcoming and being candid. i think it actually turned out worse than we had expected because in part, she was kind of a short for her husband, saying things we would never hear from justice thomas because he's not going to be asked to testify. so she got to say whatever she wanted about how we never discuss cases and we really didn't discuss election fraud, and if people believe that, well, there are any number of bridges for sale. then she also stuck with the big lie. she said, you know, she b

house homeland committee chairman bennie thompson is calling the biden administration, calling on themngressman: look, this is all pock ticks for the midterm. i'm not worried about 50 people who get off bus in martha's vineyard. i'm worried about the 50 people that rose to the death in trailer in texas. 2,000 people a month encountered. it's the largest open border in 20 years and this too was greenlighted on inauguration day by joe biden when he stopped all the trump-border policies, said the border was open, america was not going to follow president trump's policies any longer and that's created this crisis at the border by his own decisions he's taken. maria: yeah, it's unbelievable what martha's vineyard leadership did. they put them all on a jet and sent them to cape cod. you can't write this, congressman. they say they are sanctuary cities until it's in their backyard. french hill joining us, thank you, sir. we will be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪ or whatever this is. but the things that last a lifetime like happiness, love and confidence... you can't buy those. but you can invest in them.

mean, they've put -- i think the most alarming thing that happened today on this story is that bennie thompson thomas still believes the lie. she believes the 2020 election was stolen from donald trump. >> nicolle, that is why i wrote the book. you know, it's in the data, right? it's a great parable to say slow and steady wins the race. great. we're in a new battle space now, and two years ago was the election more or less. so with the speed of data, with people changing their tactics and their procedures, we have to right now start looking at this in a very different way, and that's the tiny iest little bits of data. we did a thousand interviews. our piece with the millions of lines of data, called detail records and open source intelligence materials where we're looking at people in the deep, dark and open web, that's it. but looking at that, there's millions of links, right, or tens of thousands of links. you get this idea that the command and control was very good, right? they came very close, and now they've learned the lessons. it's two years. we better look forward, and nicolle, that i

today benny thompson committee members aloft are revealed that the panel has got a hold of thousandse secret service including text messages from january 5th and six. yes, those messages. the ones that we thought were intimacy in irrevocably loss. the part on him before january six 2021. that those messages had been erased. it vanished in a three-month system migration. they said it was not related maliciously and was planned well before the watchdog preserve data. big if true. there is a criminal investigation of how these got erased and it is worth noting that the washington post previously reported that the staff at the watchdog office had planned to use a forensic data specialist to retrieve a lost message. the top watchdog shut that down. if you missed that part of the story here, it is again. when the senior forensic analyst took steps together the phones, cuffari's office told investigators to stop what they were doing. we don't know why but apparently they did. we also the texas just from january six that could offer important insight with what happened with the president vic

benny thompson said he make accommodations eventually. has that been resolved your knowledge? >> it hasn't been resolved. the committee still has a tremendous amount of information they haven't shared with the justice department. it's really odd when you think about it because as we go back in time to the mueller investigation, you have the national security division, now the mueller team, they were working with congress to pass documents back and forth and they were working with the congress controlled by a republican, and the process was a lot more amicable. so this is really strange, but i think it also speaks to how the committee has conducted its work. there is a need to know about some of these things, we know from past reporting that cassidy hutchinson her testimony was closely held by vice chair liz hany. she did not want people have that, she'd have not even what people in the committee to have a. so it's no surprise that the committees not being forthcoming with information beyond its walls, and it's even swallowing it information within its walls. >> that's a great

after committee chair bennie thompson said the committee has received new information from the u.s.service. thousands of exhibits including text messages, email communications and radio traffic. the texts do not, however, include missing texts from specific individuals on the 6th that were permanently deleted, weirdly enough. joining me now is tally weinstein, legal analyst and former state and federal prosecutor who clerked for then judge merrick garland and curt bar dello, adviser to the dnc and dccc. i'm going to go to you first. your thoughts on this decision by the judge. our understanding is that judge deary is seems to be a straight up, stand-up guy. he was a fisa court judge, so he has this security clearance you would need. what do you make of her denial of the request to have access to those records? >> well, joy, you're right. judge deary is a very fine judge. i actually appeared before him many times when i was a prosecutor in the eastern district of new york. but the assignment that he has been given makes no sense because the issues that judge cannon has passed on to h

we're not for the january six committee hearings, cultured by cheney and democratic congressman bennie thompsonighting the threat to american democracy, which is the number one issue for voters, according to a recent nbc news survey. higher cost of living and the economy. there's at least one more hearing in the docket as we head towards election day. this wednesday afternoon, we expect to hear more about donald trump's actions and inaction during the capitol riot. perhaps, a result of new interviews conducted and investigatory leads followed since the last he leads back in july. members have said there's still a large amount of evidence to display, but there has been no witness list provided for this hearing. you can of course watch the hearing live on msnbc, and special coverage, starting at eight eastern. and wednesday night, right here at 8 pm eastern, it's the latest edition of our primetime coverage of the hearings, breaking down what we learned and what may come next. rachel maddow hosts an all-star table of analysts, featuring nicole wallace, joy reid, alex wagner, ari melber, and of co

and chairman bennie thompson is hinting that it may not be the last time that we hear from them. quote, it's not and stone because things happen. we've got the cnn exclusive tell you about. sources telling cnn that homeland security turned out a multi million dollar plan to protect election officials from harassment, with the midterms just 49 days away. and that says election workers across the country are facing a wave of violent threats like they have never seen before. a lot of it inspired by election lies. a lot more coming up on that. plus this, a class action lawsuit filed tonight against florida governor ron desantis and other state officials over those flights to martha's vineyard, dropping off desperate migrants seeking asylum. and desantis is threatening to keep it up. >> we have other things that we can do. and i will tell you this. it has already made more of an impact that anybody thought it could possibly make. but we're going to continue to make more of an impact. >> well, there is no doubt there is an immigration crisis in this country, no doubt. but what will all

. >> the chairman of the january 6th committee, bennie thompson, said that the goal is to have the january 6th committee's next hearing on september 28th. what should we expect to learn? do you have new testimony, new witnesses, any shocking new information? >> well, as you know, shake, the rules don't allow me to go into the evidence, but we've been working throughout the summer, we do have new information, we have had additional witnesses. so it's not for me to say what's block busting, but i think we'll have useful information to present to the public. and we're working on our recommendations for changes in the law, changes in procedure that would make our country safer, as well as putting together the report that we will be issuing before the end of the year. >> i know your committee is also debating whether or not to ask extending formal invitations to donald trump or mike pence to formally appear before the committee. it seems pretty clear that trump is a "no," but former vice president pence has not ruled it out, at least publicly. so why have you not yet made that request. >> well,

that's according to committee chairman bennie thompson he says the secret service has turned over a significantnche of text messages, primarily from the day of the capitol riot and the day before. they could potentially provide insight on former president trump's actions and planning on january 6th. the secret service has been under intense scrutiny since it emerged that the agency erased its employees text messages from the day of the riot. the secret service insisted it was not malicious, and they were deleted in a preplanned agency wide replacement of cell phones. >>> nfl quarterback brett favre, former quarterback, caught in the snare of a welfare scandal the text messages that show the hall of famer may have been more involved in the scheme than he's let on >>> and queen elizabeth's death was heard around the world in fact, you have to be hiding under a rock to miss it. or perhaps in a beehive. coming up, how the queen's bees got the buzz that she was gone, and why the tradition goes back centuries. ♪ ♪ how's he still playin'? aspercreme arthritis. full prescription-strength. reduces infla

, i've never understood what the tension was, but i did feel that we got a big clue from what benny thompson and said now that they seem like they are doing their job, maybe we can share some information with them. was a pretty striking thing for him to say, and it connects to the fact that we have actually learned that in some cases the doj has subpoenaed information witnesses have already provided the committee instead of getting it directly from the committee. how important is it for them to get on the same page? >> i think this is a huge development. we talked before chris that the congressional committee and the doj have different purposes and goals and timelines with regards to investigations and that if they are not really in coordination they can even work at cross purposes. we've seen this before with before with the iran catcher. but if they are in tandem, they become the legal wonder twins. they can really leverage some of the benefits of both institutions. and i think one thing here is that the department of justice is coming late to the game quite frankly. the january six commit

committee chairman bennie thompson revealing today the postponed hearing, excuse me, will be held before the november elections, although not next week and will most likely not rely on witness testimony. >> well, the hearing will -- the next hearing we have will be before the november 8th election. it won't be next week but you can for all intents and purposes expect one more hearing. we're not looking at bringing witnesses before the committee in the next hearing. we still have significant information that we've not shown to the public that's available to us. >> that quote is pretty intreeging, significant information that we've not shown to the public. this announcement coming on the heels of a brand-new interview with ginni thomas, the right wing activist and wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas. she supported trump's coup and repeatedly pushed to overturn the election. even personally pressing lawmakers in arizona and wisconsin to overturn biden's victory in those states. the committee saying she told them she still believes the 2020 election was stolen. yet, clarence thomas

meanwhile, committee chair bennie thompson has said the panel has substantial footage and significantness testimony that have not been seen yet in the hearing so far. the hearing set to get under way wednesday, 1:00 eastern time. of course, we will bring you those. >>> new this morning text messages obtained by cnn revealed that a key figure in the plot to overturn the 2020 election briefed white house chief of staff mark meadows about his attempts to gain access to voting machines in battle ground states. joining me now cnn national security reporter zachary cohen. zach, this shows the president's chief of staff knew about these efforts. >> jim, it's remarkable. these are texts between meadows and phil waldron. he was behind some of the most outlandish proposals of overturning the elections and getting access to voting machines. he was hung on this idea that foreign adversaries had hacked into voting machines through outlandish ways. >> based on nothing. >> based on nothing, satellites, thermostats, he was on a mission to prove it. this shows that mark meadows was talking to phil wal

bennie thompson weighed in on theter yesterday. take a loo -- >>> the texts, e-mails, radio traffic, all kinds of information. teams meetings. so we're going through everything that's been provided and more is coming in. as i say, some of it is not relevant. some of it is. and it's a huge deal to go through it. but we're going go through it. the members of the committee themselves have been involved in this. and we hope to have that completed, you know, soon. >> you recall, of course, the major controversy when text messages from the secret service agents around january 6th disappeared. it's unclear whether the messages the committee has are among those previously believed to be missing or erased. the special counsel probe into the so-called origins of the investigation into ties between former president trump's 2016 campaign and russia appears to be winding down with no further charges expected. trump appointed special counsel recently used to hear evidence in the case, well that, grand jury has now expired. the times cites three