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david plouffe and political strategist chai komanduri, veteran of several campaigns, including the obama campaign. david, you will not be directly supervising chai in this segment, but you outranking him is established. welcome to both of you. we love it when we have the alumni together. david, the first question, the most straight forward. turnout way up. i mentioned that's beating the first trump midterm, which is something. but what to you make of it? is it possible to glean anything from the mobilization? >> i think it's a little early. if you're a democrat it's good news, but a lot more people are going to vote early now than did in 2018. probably going to have more democrats voting early than 2018. all things being equal, we're probably in a moment in american history when turnouts are going to be higher than we've seen. 2018 wasn't just high, it was the highest in a century. certainly i never thought we'd see numbers like that. i don't know whether we're going to approach that in 2022 but clearly we're going to have very strong turnout, so what matters there is does one party have

david plouffe, to donny's point, what do we do about that?se. the documents you or i would see, any adversary in the world would love to look at those documents. donald trump things our adversaries are his friends. we all had burn bags. can't even shred this stuff it's so sensitive. they're not going to be innocent. listen, '24 is going to be a seminal moment because whether it's donald trump who ends up getting nominated and ultimately you know, winning or one of his acolytes, we're not sure we're still going to be a democracy. what's frightening is two third of the country thinks whoever gets the most votes should win yet all these races around the country are 50/50. so there are people who don't think it's that serious. yet we see all over the country, governors, candidates, senate candidates. secretary of states candidates, who are going to have responsibility for elections saying openly if i win this office, i will decide who wins. not you. so that is the question, which is and i know rick's team and others are trying to really do this,

. >> and joining us now, david plouffe, the former campaign manager and white house senior adviser to he is an msnbc political analyst, and ritual hourly, the chief of -- thanks to both of you for being with us, david, let me start with you. so, that add that we just played there from the trump aligned super pac, it did not actually feature any of the clips from the debate, but it is certainly playing on something that you have heard in the wake of that debate, concerns about john fetterman, his recovery from the stroke, and the performance that he delivered in that debate. i am curious how you look at that as a factor in this race. over the summer it was nine points, now it is one. you think that slippage had something to do with his performance on the campaign trail? and how do you think what voters saw in the debate this week, when they will see an act like this, do you think that will affect how they vote in this race? >> my sense is that the tightening that we have seen, i would say the same thing for georgia, both walker and oz were well below what they were ever going to get on