unlike utah they hadn't tested it out.n utah we've got these signature verification protocols and elaborate procedures for going through the voter registration roles to make sure they are the right people, people who died or moved out of state haven't voted. in other states there were open questions about that, about ballot harvesting and stuff things like that but what matters is the electoral college and the electoral college won. i would add it's absolutely essential the authority to conduct elections remain in state hands and never consolidated in federal hands where the risk of corruption is great. on this my opponent and i disagree. my opponent expressed support backed by the democrats called s-1 and would con consolidate excessive authority over elections in the federal government and would do so moreover in a way that would virtually cobble the states in their ability to enact voter security measures like voter i.d. this is a bad step. we should shun it like the plague. doug: mr. mcmullin? mr. mcmullin: it's import

. >> the utah debate commission welcomes you to the senate candidates' debate. ♪ >> the utah debate commissionelcomes you to the senate candidates' debate. ♪ >> good evening and welcome to a debate featuring candidates running for the united states senate, i'm doug wright from ksl radio and television and my pleasure to moderate tonight's exchange sponsored by the utah debate commission, an organization dedicated to educating voters and encouraging the civil exchange of ideas. the candidates who are invited to speak here tonight are the republican incumbent, mike lee, and independent candidate evan mcmullin. during this debate, the candidates will be answering my questions as well as those from a panel of journalists and from students, and you're welcome to participate in it, also. if you're watching or listening live, you can send your reaction and your questions on social media to the #utdebates. i'll fold in as many of those questions as the time will allow tonight. the format for this debate is as follows -- each candidate will have 90 seconds to respond to the questions along with the opp

that's the case with a significant segment of utah's voters. they are republicans. they have never truly supported trump. they are not going to vote for democratic candidates, but they are willing to support an independent who reflects most of their values or positions on issues, and that's why we're in a competitive race now with senator lee, because many of them have joined us. >> you served in the cia for over a decade. you went to wharton business school, you worked in the private sector. you worked for house republicans, running policy for them. and then in 2016, you ran for president as an independent candidate against donald trump. and senator mike lee voted for you in 2016 for president. now, i want to address your opponent's claims that you're a leftist and that you will be beholden to the democratic party. explain why he is wrong. >> well, it's ridiculous. i mean, anyone who knows me, and most of utah does know me, understands that i am no leftist. it's an absurd claim. but, look, the reason why senator lee makes that claim is that he can't run against a t

races in utah. a far left failure mcmullen who is pretending to be an independent, but he is a radical extreme ally of the democrats. look at this donor data: his donors are almost entirely democratic votes. mcmullen is a fraud. utah senator mike lee. this money coming in and all is coming from democratic groups. they are not running a democrat but a guy they say is an independent and using all democratic money. that's a democrat to me. >> yes. he is as much as an independent in the senate as i would be a socialist or a llama. this is a gad fly. backed by the liberal democratic elite on the coast. they are bringing in money. they decided they can buy a u.s. senate seat in utah. he has as much curve appeal as a stale tv dinner. i caught him in lies last night on the debate stage. the leftist media in utah doesn't call him out on it ever. he is getting million dollars in free advertising. as if under hypnosive of mcmullin's charm. the liberal media never questions him about anything. he relies on 2.5

mike lee of utah.n: how are you, senator? >> good. if things don't work out in utah, i think you have a home here. you know, what i don't like is the outright dishonesty. you have 49 republican colleagues. 48 of your colleagues have endorsed you, donated to your campaign. >> that's right. i'm grateful for their endorsement. that includes with people who agree with me a lot of the time, like rand paul and ted cruz, and tim scott, and people who don't always agree with me. i'm grateful for their support. >> sean: who has not endorsed you? >> there's one who hasn't. he made a decision based on the fact he has two friends in the race, from the same state that i am. >> sean: which i think is sad. i also think there's a level of dishonesty to this. that is, he says he's an independent. i've looked at where the money is coming from. where is evan mcmullen's money coming from? >> act blue. the people who are democrats, who want democrats to get elected, and rubber stamp joe biden's agenda in the congress. they

all roads will go through utah. now, the criticism at msn from the person that i was quoting, and by the way i should at least acknowledge who that person was. natasha noman is that, hey, it's a small state with population. why do we give so much power to utah or west virginia in the case of manchin? that's the system we have. it was set up for a reason. every state gets two votes. you would have to negotiate with him and i guess i'm tipping my hand here. but he's reasonable. remember, i want to know what you think. go to my website at smerconish.com and answer this question. which party will control the senate after the 2022 election, republican or democratic? cannot wait to see the result of that. >>> still to come, nearly eight months after putin invaded ukraine, as the battles rage on and the american economy worsens, has the support of americans begun to wane? and how to the ukrainians themselves feel? why they are keeping an eye on our midterm elections. >>> plus, will the young blood play in the basement? so

my assessment is that utah is not competitive.t evan mcmullen is going to win a state that trump carried with 58% of the vote in 2020 and by 20 points over joe biden. the fact that democrats have embraced evan mcmullen gives the signal to most utah voters that he is more sympathetic to the anti-trump portion of the electorate. now, betsy johnson in oregon is another story. i do think republicans have an excellent chance to win oregon's governorship in part because johnson is a former democrat, splitting that vote, and the republican is running on a hard message against crime and homelessness. and then in georgia where you have a libertarian chase oliver who could take enough of the vote to send georgia to a run-off. that could end up helping raphael warnock. keep in mind that if herschel walker doesn't get 50% of the vote the first round, we saw a shift toward democrats in between the general election in 2020 and the run-offs in 2021. so they are playing a significant role. >> you can imagine another situation where a run-off in g

essentially playing out right now and a key senate race and deeply conservative utah in just a minute. we are going to speak live with her publican senator mike lee of utah who is in a tight match up for reelection to a third term. but first i look at how senate race went from a sure thing to may be, not so sure. >> owe me an apology progress utah republican mike lee on defense on the debate stage. click senator lee has been doing this thing with his pocket constitution for the last several years. >> is not a prop and i do not care at the proper this is a reference manual. >> in a race it was once considered a lock for lee, polls have tightened. independent evan mcmullen is blasting lee over his actions after the 2020 election. >> if you are committed to the constitution, then to stand up for free and fair election presented for the peaceful transfer of power. there is absolutely nothing to the idea that i would ever have supported ever did support burst onto the scene as an independent i deeply believe donald trump harms the strength and prosperity of this country very. >> in utah i

utah is a conservative and republican state.ullen has the same world view as pete buttigieg, a liberal democrat. but he is not running as a liberal democrat and that's the key to his success. he is running as an independent. many voters appear to be under the impression he is independent. but he is not. that's a lie. mcmullen is as independent as kamala harris is. he is less independent than omar il ilhan. ilhan omar. he uses the democratic fund-raising program act blue -- co founded by a biden advisor. there are blueprint public affairs, all democratic party firms. in politics you pick a side in the consultants you hire. mcmullen picked his side, the democratic side. the creepy liberals at the lincoln project are pretending that mcmullen is not one of them. repub republicans, mcmullen represents your values. really? which values are those? did he oppose amnesty for illegal immigrants or oppose tony fauci? he can't acknowledge that roe v. wade was a bad decision. he is a liberty robot. nothing independent about him. watch him re

i look, i will be putting utah first. the i'll put utah first. decision-maker in everything by being the decision maker in everything. it's not putting utah first.h f. that's putting evan mcmullin first. there is a difference. we have a saying where i come from.a di if iffert walkences like a duc.k and quacks like a duck, if it l has webbed feet like a duck. >> in this case, it's a democrat. that's a pretty good saying. du, it wouldn't work in new york . ? >> what do how do you interpret that? questions we shoulse, i endorse and as a matter of fact, one oft the questions that we should answer right now is if you want to support mike lee, how do we do that? >> you go to leave for senate .com. that's lee for senate .com.win e and unlike evad,n mcmullin, lear for senate, .com is associatedwa with wind. reidy, we ar, which is forward,e way, we we are here for adam.e . >> you know, i'm sure he has a website that's going too 2020to that had john think about this at two thousande seai twenty , losing a single seat in georgia, costing s $4 tri american t

he eventually went back to utah, where he went to college, university, because his wife was from utahand hatch had a number of relatives who helped create portions of modern utah. the amazing thing is, in the late 1970's, he had never really thought of politics. but he suddenly was getting very dissatisfied with jimmy carter, with what he thought was disrespect for the military, disrespect for independence and hard work and a number of issues, and he quickly, being a small business person with a small law firm, and working for small business people in the legal realm, he suddenly realized wait a minute, the federal government he thought is overreaching, not making things easier, it is making things harder. one day he decided to run for the united states senate. think of it, he had never appeared in the salt lake city newspaper until the day he decided to run for senate. he was a blank slate, completely obscure in most ways. he decided he would do a good a job as anybody else a senator, which sounds like a hopeless quest, but he went to ronald reagan in 1976, who had just gotten beat b

actually playing out right now in a key senate race in deeply conservative utah. we'll speak live to senator mike lee of utah in a tight match up to a third term. his race went from a sure thing to not so sure. >> you owe me an apology. >> shannon senator not a prop, d and independent evan mcmullin is blasting lee overhis actions. >> stand up for free and fair election and for the peaceful transfer of power. >> there is nothing to the idea that i would have ever supported, ever did support a fake. >> thank you very much. >> evan mcmullin burst on to the scene in 2016, running for president as an independent hoping to peel away votes from donald trump. >> i believe donald trumps harms this country. >> this character nobody saw before, evan mcmuffin. >> evan mcmullin is still behind in the polls and has vowed not to caucus with either party. evan mcmullin might be a swing vote. senator lee is making 11th hour plea from fellow republican. >> mick, if you like to protect, give us a chance, get on board and help me win reelection. >> shannon: senator, welcome back, sen

the tacit assistance of my republican colleague from utah. 48 of my other republican colleagues are on board with me, have supported me in my campaign and of interest me. it's not too late, mitt. you can join the party. i welcome you to do though because otherwise you'll be stuck with two more years of chuck schumer being the leader and two more years of joe biden having unfettered rule over the united states senate. without any republican backstop. >> tucker: this is a guy who marched with black lives matter which hates nuclear family and endorse riots. like, i think he's gone insane. my view, not yours. senator mike lee, i appreciate you coming on. amazing story we were not aware of. thank you. the first thing y you here if yu complain about illegal immigration, shut up, illegal aliens have a lower crime rates than you do. that's not true. like a lot of things they say it's a flat out lying we have the numbers to prove it. straight ahead. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: john carter cash is the only son of jean carter and john carter. we just spoke to john c

by any standard, comparison to utah. love the guy, they are giving him free media, he is getting a huge influx of cash from the democratic donor networks. so, i would invite your viewers any who don't want joe biden's guy to get elected, from utah g to lee for senate.com, make sure we have enough ammunition to fight back. mark: a serious issue. you have some polls that show close. and some that don't. but you have to worry because this is a entire camouflage effort returning him as an independent, he is a democrat, a disgruntled republican and despises prior administration and despises conservative movement. and so he had a mid life crise, he is flipped. and they dressed this up as righteous and independence, he is not. he is the play thing of the democrat party. we have seen what the democrats have done to this country, do the folks in utah see that this is no time it play around? to time to be deceived or orel hor -- elow corrupt media and money to deter them, electing you helps to save the country. >> i believe most i

the reality is that most utah's -- mike lee. the challenges, were divided between republicans, democrats, independents, members of third parties like the united utah party. our strategy is to bring all these political rivals together to do something we agree needs to be done. in order to protect our constitution and our democratic republic. we need to replace mike lee. he did seek to overturn the will of the people in our democracy with fake electors. he told the white house that he had been working 14 hours a day to unravel this for the president. referring to the election. he betrayed the constitution, he took an oath to defend it. and when the barbarians read the, he was ready to let the man. and because of that, we must hold him accountable, most you tie and will come together to do that on november 8th. >> there was a new poll that found 81% of democrats, 79% of republicans believe the other party's agenda will quote, destroy america. you're in a unique position, you're running as an independent. how do you react to these n

here with reaction on the state of the race, utah senator mike lee. senator , i'm looking at this money that has been coming in and all of it is coming from democratic groups. now, they're not running a democrat, but they're running a guy they say is an independent and they're using all democratic money. >> so to me, that's a democrat. yeah, he's about as much of an independent and would function as as much of an independent in the senate as i would a socialist or a lomo. look, this is an opportunistic gadfly, one who is backed by the liberal democratic elite on the coasts. they're bringing in money. they've decided that they can they believe erroneously they can buy a us senate seat in utah. look, he's got about as much curb appeal as a stale tv dinner, and so they've resorted to some really devious tactics. he lies incessantly. i caught him in multiple lies last night on the debate stand. and yet the dutiful leftist media in utah doesn't dare call him out on it ever. so he's getting millions of dollars in free advertising, as if under hypnosis of ev

let's start with the utah senate race. we don't have a lot of polling out of utah to give a good sense of where that race truly stands. but the fact n independent candidate is making a real run for it in utah, what statement is that making about the republican party right now do you think? >> that is a fractured party. and that trump still remains a powerful figure but there are people in that state who have some skepticism about him, skepticism about mike lee who has in some ways carried water for donald trump. donald trump carried utah in 2020 by something like 20 points. this race seemed to be quite close. the polls, as you said, there vent been a lot of polls but maybe it is within the margin of error, two, three, four points or so. so it is certainly a race to watch. you've got a candidate in evan mcmullen is whoo is an independent, who ran in 2016. he got about 25% of the vote in utah when he ran in 2016. so they've got some familiarity with him there. so we'll see where this plays out. i think one of the stories abo

utah is really, it's a very different state. it's not just a typical red or blue state.dy like an independent candidate like evan mcmullin can actually, can win there. >> you've been around a minute or two, kids like to say, and seen a lot of midterm elections. a lot start to have a feel to them. does this one have a feel to it yet with gas prices inching up americans, latest poll saying economy and inflation are a problem? >> sure. you can feel how things are doing last weeks of a campaign where momentum is headed. this campaign three phases. spring was, you know, really tough for biden. no legislative accomplishments. win for republicans would be a huge wave. summer, dobbs decision, legislative accomplishments for biden. ah, democrats climbing back in. last week's inflation report and other economic news put the wind back at the republicans' back. looks now conventional outcome which will be significant republican gains in the house and perhaps in the senate as well. >> interesting moment, mark, from your show "the circus" you and former goch strategist tim miller are

that is utah senator mitt romney. neutral in this.are very good friends of mine. so i am not endorsing. and i could tell, you as i spoke to voters in utah. they are taking that not endorsement. at least some of them are as a tacit. a permission slip to support mcmullin. so this is a very interesting race, certainly one of the most unique in the country. but as for the balance of power, just 34 days before the midterm elections and certainly every race matters and if republicans. are going to win back control of the senate, they need all 50 senators to vote for the majority leader. mcmullen says that he will not caucus with either side and so that could leave them one short depending on how everything else plays out. that is why the math of this is so interesting. but he does pledge to be an independent senator and said he will vote for utah. anderson? >> jeff zeleny appreciate, coming up next, hurricane sanibel island. and what they saw on the first day back. listerine to your routine. new science shows it gets in between teeth to des

and utah suffered as a result.independents that have been growing over the course of the past year plus since we launched this campaign. we're rejecting this partisanship that we see dominating our politics in america, and offering an alternative. and that's why this is the most competitive race, the first competitive race in utah, the first competitive senate race in almost 50 years. but it's because we're rejecting the broken politics of division that unfortunately mike lee has embraced during his time in the senate. >> i know you have said that you will not caucus with either side if you're elected democrat or republican, but what if it comes down to you in terms of who will control the senate, don't you have to make a decision? >> i'm not going to washington to play the party power game. i've made a commitment to republicans, democrats, and independents in utah, as i invite them to join this coalition, that i will maintain my independence so i can represent all of them. that's an important commitment that i mad

joining us now, evan mcmullin, the independent utah senate candidate. mr.ow. >> great to be with you, hallie. >> sure. so let's start with this race and your platform here. you list strengthening our democracy and standing up to extremists as your number one focus. i wonder how that is resonating with voters in utah you're talking to considering that for republicans specifically jobs and the economy, the cost of living, rates as a more important issue to them. >> well, we're building a cross-partisan coalition of republicans, democrats, and independents. and yes, protecting our system of self-government and standing up to the extremes who want to tear it down is a priority of mine. my others are lowering inflation, getting our fiscal house in order, lowering the cost of health care and making sure that we protect our air and water. we've got some severe challenges on those fronts. and maintaining a strong national defense. those are my five priorities. but what i say out here and what i truly believe is that we can't solve any of the major challenges that f

i'm gonna put utah's interest first.ork with members of both parties to get things done on those priorities, my number one priority is defending american democracy and lowering health care costs, lowering inflation, and protecting our environment. and i'm going to be in coalition with other senators who are gonna allow me to get that done. and i will have conversations when i get there. if it comes down to, me i'll conversations and we'll which will allow -- me -- >> i'm pretty sure if you're number one issue -- evan mcmullin, i'm pretty sure if you number one issue is defending democracy, you won't be able to build a coalition with the republican senators. we'll have to leave it there. thank you so much for your time. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> still to come, we knew house minority leader mccarthy was a hack -- but now we're learning the extent to which mccarthy is willing to compromise any morals he might have. that is, next you don't want to miss it. ext you don't want t miss it. ♪♪ [coughing] hi, susan. honey.

from utah. we go on to missouri and kansas and iowa and ohio and pennsylvania. and asand virginia and north caa and tennessee. nnsylvaniaand georgia and flori. and then back up to michigan, we back up to wisconsin.e it o and we close it out back in the great state of texas. a allll in all, we're supporting thirty five candidates in twenty five stops in 17 states. and i got to tell ishaan, we're seeing energy, we're seeing passion. seeing ene are ready to throw te lunatics out who have done sohet much damage to the country.i thn i think we're going to see an historic election in november. l ted cruz will be checking in utah. thank you for bein g with . >> all right. and straight ahead tonight, reports say that investigators now have enough to charge zero experience biden. bu actually indict him? and why are they ignoringing the most part othf hunter's laptop from ? judge jeanine, congressman jim jordan. jim jordan. >> they give us their take that. straight ahead. yo rick, herhey, i just got a tm

then a jury in utah has acquitted two animal rights activist who faced prison time for rescuing two sick piglets from a farm. >> they did not deserve the suffering they were livi in. the jury thought that, too. on to the next rescue. amy: with midterm elections four weeks away, we look at the power grassroots movements and more with the legendary sociologist and political activist frances fox piven. she turned 90 on monday. >> i haveeen studying american social movements all omy adult life and particiting in them as well. i think ty are the key to derstanding why certain moments in the united states have become more humane, just society. amy: all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. in ukraine, at least 19 people were killed and dozens more left injured monday as russia's military continued to rain bombs and missiles down on cities. the kremlin said the long-range air strikes were aimed at ukraine's energy and military infrastructure in retribution for a weekend explosion that damaged a y bridge linking russia t

our next guest is running in a statistical tie in utah, against donald trump endorsed republican mike did something we've never seen before, he publicly begged the other senator from his state who's also republican to endorse him. >> if you like to protect the republican majority, give us any chance, get it away from the democrats who are facilitating this massive spending spree, and massive inflationary bench. please, get on board, help me win reelection. help us do that. >> wow, the host of that program could've not looked more confused by the idea of a republican senator from utah, begging another republican senator from utah to endorse him i've never seen anything like it either -- he's refused to endorse mike lee. evan mcmullin is running as an independent against mike lee, evan mcmullin has the support of the utah democratic party. tonight's debate in utah, evan mcmullin said this. >> for you to talk will -- i think you know exactly how important it is, and i think he knew how important was when you sought to urge the white house thought a lot of election time fake electors to o

now we are in utah. from utah we go on to missouri and kansas and iowa and ohio and pennsylvania and virginia and north carolina and tennessee and georgia and florida and then back up to michigan. back up to wisconsin and we close it out back in the great state of texas. all in all we are supporting 35 candidates in 25 stops in 17 states. i've got to tell you we are seeing energy. we are seeing passion. people are ready to throw these lunatics out who have done so much damage to the country. i think we are going to see an historic election in november. >> we will check in throughout your tour. thanks for being with us. >>> straight ahead tonight, reports say investigators have enough to charge zero experience hunter biden. but will bite and's doj indict him? why are they ignoring the most part of hunter's laptop from hell? we will get there take straight ahead. making time for the dentist isn't easy. but when your mouth says it's time, you listen. so do we. aspen dental was built around your life. so com

what is happening in utah? >> it is extraordinary to think that a republican incumbent senate candidate in utah could lose his re-election bid to an independent candidate, but mike lee is only five points ahead in the latest statewide poll that is a lead, and not really a safe lead and it is extraordinary to see mike lee begging, pleading with mitt romney with whom he does not have a good relationship, for his support, i think there is no sign that senator romney is about to endorse mike lee. he says he is also friends with mcmillan. and the independent candidates have been closer to romney's view on president trump and on the 2020 election than senator lee has been so that could be one. if you're looking for surprises to watch for, on election night, katy, this is one to watch. >> what do you think, dave? >> i think utah will be in play. i think if we're off in one direction, and it is more likely to be underestimating the size of the republican wave at this point. >> so why would mike lee go on tucker and beg

joel: water in the state of utah is a prior appropriation.used it first has the first right to to use it today. and a lot of those rights belong to farmers. stephanie: is it time for that to change? joel: well, no. i mean, we have we have laws and we have structure. so what is time for us to do is to implement more conservation measures. stephanie: bipartisan support for conserving water for the great salt lake led to a dozen laws enacted this year by the republican-dominated state government. the reforms, among many provisions, do away with use or lose water policies. joel: we passed legislation that me as a farmer, i can say, you know what, i'm going to take my water, i'm going to put it in the river and i'll receive a beneficial use, which totally changes the mindset of that use it or lose it. i might say, you know, wheat is not worth very much. i don't want it. i'm going to get some compensation if i leave it in the river. stephanie: one of the biggest worries is that the great salt lake will go the way others have gone before it -- not j

drying up -- utah's great salt lake shrinks to unsustainable levels amid a decades-long megadrought. >> this ishe foundation of the great salt lake ecosystem. and we're seeing it crash and die right before our eyes. amna: all that and more on tonight's pbs newshour. ♪ >> major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by -- >> for 25 years, consumer cellular has been offering no contract wireless plans to help people do more of what they like. our customer service team can find a plan that fits you. visit consumercellular.tv. >> and with the ongoing support of these individuals and institutions and friends of the newshour, including kathy and paul anderson and camilla and george smith. ♪ >> the john s and james l knight foundation. ♪ ♪ >> this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. stephanie: i'm stephanie sy with newshour west, we'll return to the full program after the latest headlines. ukraine is sounding new alarms tonight about russian attacks on its water and power supp

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here in utah, our inflation rate is worse more than other states. my family and most others here are being crushed by inflation. and we need leaders and need a senate who is going to focus on actually delivering more results to lower inflation. i did like the fact it started to allow medicare to negotiate on prescription drugs. we pay far more for prescription drugs than we need to in america. that comes as a result of people like my opponent, senator lee, taking lots of money from big pharma special interest groups, and preventing negotiating for lower prescription drugs. that's got to end, and again why i'm running to replace senator lee. >> in 2016, when you were running for president, you said you would want to see roe v. wade overturned. when you and i talked on a podcast a couple months ago, your concern was that the overturn was creating some extreme laws and you were worried about those. do you think there needs to be federal legislation that sets some sort of minimum standard, and would you support lindsey graham's bill that i guess one wou

in utah, it's the other way around.gher than expected battle for re-election against independent candidate evan mcmullen. >> it's time to start standing up to the broken politics of party bosses in washington, special interest groups. and extremist factions who have far too much influence got licker for donald trump or joe biden. >> to suggest that i'm beholden to either party that i have been a boot licker for either party is folly and contradicted by the plain facts. >> bret: results could have can will impact on control of the senate and implications for the balance of power in washington. senate candidate from utah evan mcmullin joins us tonight. thank you for being here. >> good to be with you, bret. >> we look at the nation and see a right track, wrong track and knew call is no different where the wrong track gets 70 plus percent of the polls if i are in utah and say the country is on the wrong track and the biden administration is in power. why does someone say i'm going to vote for this independent who make take

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>> to me, it is amazing we're talking about a utah senate race at all. there is no democratic candidate. the daemocrats didn't field a democrat. democrats figured that may be the best shot to dethrone mike lee from his seat, have at it, evan mcmullen. here is the reality. these two guys agree on probably most public policy issues, but this january 6th issue is the dividing line, it is the rational for mcmullen's campaign. you have former cia officer as you know. so this is what the campaign is about. whether or not mike lee, when you noticed through the text messages with mark meadows, through his actions to try and challenge the electoral college results initially, all of that is exactly what mcmullen is citing as to why your argument you're a constitutional conservative doesn't hold water. it is a very republican state, some polling out there limited -- has shown it closer than folks would expect. i still think in this political environment, this is probably an uphill battle for mcmullen. >> so interesting to watch, though. we are even talking about it

mcmull season doing pretty well in utah. he may not not win but very competitive there. >> yeah. it's much likely in senate races in a state like utah, actually, than it would be run for president where obviously you need to get 270 electoral votes, whatever party is in charge in the house is most likely -- if there's a three-way tie, going to whatever party is in power. so right now it seems a bit more difficult on the presidential level, i suspect, when it happens. you know, it will be like the moon shot or the iphone. but it will be -- the right person will come along, everything will line up, and, you know, they'll probably win overwhelmingly, but i don't know that that's going to happen for quite some time. i do want to follow up quickly on that debate, if you're watching the debate at home between mcmullen and lee, wondering who's telling the truth. >> wow. >> the answer is both of them. i did a quick search. luke broadwater from "the new york times" says about lee, "text messages with mr. meadows show pld lee tried several times to offer advice and support for the effort t

part of that is antipathy against trump in utah.hat's week mcmullin has focused so much on mike lee. take a listen to how he framed that in the debate last night. >> senator lee, it is a betrayal of the american republic. you were there to stand up for our constitution, but when the barbarians were at the gate, you were happy to let them in. >> there is absolutely nothing to the idea that i would have ever supported -- ever did support the fake electors. yes, there were people who behaved very badly on that day. i was not one of them. i was trying to dismantle the situation. >> the center of mcmullin's attacks were reporting from earlier in the year about texts that lee sent to mark meadows, sort of cheering on the efforts around the 2020 election. will this matter is an open question. utah is a difficult state for democrats to win in. the last time they elected a democratic senator was in 1970. so this is a long shot for any party outof the republican party to win in utah. we'll obviously keep track to see if it's even a shot with

he's running for senate inn utah the state of utah againsthe incumbent mike lee. >> and amazingly, he could win. he could actually win. now, if mcmellonif m does win, d vote could very wellgive give democrats control. >> the u.s. senate democrats cos how did this happen?it doe how is this possible, you wonder? it doesn't make sense. utah is a conservative, highly republican republican state. mcmullen evan mcmullin has the same politics and worldview as pete . >> but a judge, he is a liberal democrat are, but he's nots running as a liberal democrat. and that's the key to success. i this year.g as a >> evan mcmullin is running instead as an independent, e is and many voters appear to be under the impression that he actually is independent, but a he's not. that's a lie, a transparent lie. evan mcmullin is roughly as independent as kamala harris is . he's considerably less i independent than, say, ellen ohmar, evan mcmullen, is anything but independent. he is entirely controlledn. and has always been. >> mcmellon even uses the democratic party's fundraisinarg platform, actblue. his campai

utah is a republican state but everyone is watching this race without a doubt.mocrat but those who believe in democracy and those who simply question it. so one of the most interesting races. >> really interesting, great reporting. jeff zeleny, thanks so much. >>> well, just ahead, u.s. gas prices could soon shoot up after a major cut to the global oil supply. >>> plus, new surveillance video appears to capture the final moments of a young iranian protester. (burke) get farmers and you could save money with the safe driver discount just by having a clean driving record for three years. get a whole e lot of something with farmers policy perks. (dririver 3) come on! ♪ we are farmers. bumum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪ is that glitter? this table is on its last leg. find just what you need at wayfair! you need this. you're kelly clarkson! a whole new look for a whole lot le. ♪ wayfair, you've got just what i need♪ life is busy. so, come to shell and get three things done at once. first, fill up with shell v-power nitro+ to help keep your engine running like new. nice!

vance would love that prediction but let's talk about utah now.enate race has gone under the radar on a national level. it's between republican senator mike lee who is a national name and an independent candidate, his name is evan mcmullen and he's trailing by just a few points. who do you support in this race and why? >> carley, i tip my support and have to go with senator mike lee. he's done an exceptional job here utah and i find it interesting, where we have an independent running against mike lee, but what you will find being is that the democrats actually endorsed evan mcmullen and it's a simple solution here. it's an independent and appealing to democrats have put him in there in a situation where that's the only way he has a go to win. but if you look at your facts here, this is the closest race the last 50 years of the utah senate, is actually closer than i'd expected. i firmly believe likely, his views and what he said are very valid. mr. mcmullen was really going at him against the certification of donald trump's win of the president. a