now we're rejoined by our guest, ari denique. his. he's a research fellow at blue print for free speech, r e. tell us about your case. what did you do that made you blow the whistle? st. john well, in there, she says a new one. ah, it was invited to join the reserve police force. now to me that was a great opportunity. since i come from a family of 4 use officers. i mean, my brother was a police officer, my uncle, my causing so everybody was a will yourself. so now i was the geek of the family. i was think there was a computers. but in south africa that, that what you and your eyes and i joined the force now in 2004 i was, i witnessed a, the 1st torture of the units and it was horrific. it was terrible. i mean, i grew up in greece, up until 17, in the democratic country. and you know, thus of the well being brought up. so, when i saw an african suspect, he was a suspect of stunning laptop. the stripped naked place into a chair and then police officers putting a bag over his head and suffocate him. you know, that was at any point for m