hang mike pence! hang mike pence! >> they were saying, "hang mike pence. nothing but a traitor. he deserves to burn with the rest of them." >> well, i had -- i had no doubt that it would have the effect it had. >> over the course of several hours, you spoke with the acting defense secretary. you spoke with the joint chiefs of staff, general milley. >> i did. >> you spoke the acting attorney general, jeff rosen, with the chief of capitol police. where was the president in all this? >> david, i was at the capitol. i wasn't at the white house. >> and when you learned later that he was watching all this unfold on tv? >> i can't -- i can't account for what the president's doing that day. i was at a loading dock in the capitol where a riot was taking place. >> but why wasn't he making these calls? >> that'd be a good question for him. >> is there any excuse when you see the capitol is under attack, when you know that your loyal vice president is at the capitol with his wife, with lawmakers and their staff members, that you would wait until 4:17 p.m. to say, "go home." >> david, i don'

pence answered no, not scared, angry. >> hang mike pence. >> mike pence has betrayed this president and he has betrayed the people of the united states, and we will never, ever forget! >> of course, remember trump never called pence that day to check on him. an aide later testified trump approved of the hang mike pence chants. pence writes, quote, president trump retweeted an absecure article eluding to the theory i could alter the election on january 6th. i showed my wife and rolled my eyes. they were talking about a lawsuit aimed at forcing pence to overturn the election. but pence said he told trump he did oppose the suit. trump responded, quote, you're too honest. hundreds of thousands are going to hate your guts. people are going to think you're stupid. pence goes on to write that he challenged trump's attorney, j john eastman two days before january 6th happened saying eastman didn't believe his own advice. pence writes, i turned to the president and said do you hear that, even your own lawyer doesn't think i have authority to return electoral votes. and then pence said i had a fe

mike pence is not a movement leader.seems to remain one of the former president's biggest advantages. >> you're exactly right, anderson. that's what i was alluding to. the vice president spoke about that at the end of the town hall there saying -- he kind of made fun of it and said if you want a big crowd, send the president, if you want a small crowd, send me. mike pence, what decent, kind, human being. not a guy who is going to fill a 10,000 seat stadium with people chanting "lock her up." that's not who he is. you see the video of him being whisked down the stairs while you see shouts at the capitol of "hang mike pence," his wife and daughter, and i would have had some pretty strong words. i probably would have gotten in the car and gone back to the white house and gotten in a fist fight with the president. i'd be back there on the desk saying more than you let me down, mr. president. i think that's the issue. mike pence is a decent human being, great guy, i got to spend a lot of time with him. i think people want to

mike pence, david muir. >> the president tweets, mike pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done. >> mike pence on the president's words and the rioters who immediately reacted to the president. >> that was a direct reaction to the president's tweet. they were chanting, hang mike pence. what does that say about the president? >> the secret service rushing pence, his wife, and his daughter beneath the capitol. >> why wouldn't you get in the car? >> and now pence on his first conversation with the president five days after january 6th. >> what did he say to you? >> and tonight with donald trump set to make an announcement tomorrow -- >> do you believe that donald trump should ever be president again? >> the mike pence interview. breaking with the president. now, david muir reporting. >> it was the morning of january 6th. nine weeks after the election. president trump at the white house preparing to speak at a rally. vice president mike pence at the naval observatory, the vice president's residence. on his desk, several drafts of a statement he is about to send to con

it all came down to pence. he was the central fulcrum of what trump, what trump wanted, what trump wanted this entire thing to pivot on. you would want to hear from him, you would want to know what his accounts were of his meetings with trump. we know that at times trump had aides in the room. >> were there other interactions that trump had with pence in which there were other discussions about this? how does pence's accounts of these meetings hold up with other individuals that were around the white house at the time? are there differences between the two? what kind of witness would pence make? how cooperative will he be? these are all things that if you're an investigator and you're trying to look at everything that went on around january 6th, this is one of the most important people you would want to talk to. >> mike, talk us through how pence sees this request from the d.o.j. as legitimate, while not seeing the request from the 1/6 committee, how does it square up? >> well, i think that there are two things

we look at pence particularly. but all of the field, what exactly is the plan here to get around donald trump? particularly if you are mike pence. you are like trump. but without the insurrection is sort of the shake. but who is that being sold to. and it is the case, i think, that if the president were, like, convicted of a felony, that would change the field. [laughter] and if you're mike pence, you might be able to help bring that along. >> you know, look, i think you are absolutely right, chris, that anybody wants to seek the votes of the american people have to figure out, one, how are they running, who are they, who are they going to be. and who are they telling the american public they are. and which of that public are they trying to get on their side. you know, white suburban women, are someone everyone's trying to get on their side. i say that explicitly if you think about politics, because you are also thinking about white suburban women and something that trump -- i mean, pence actually said in his inter

pence, other than mr. pence.and mike pence was present during conversations about what jeffrey clark and john eastman were saying and doing, their plans and their proposals. and we know they're within the doj's cross hairs, as well. >> before i go back to hugo, a quick question, the fact that mike pence has written a book and put information within it about conversations, interactions he had vis-a-vie january 6th, does that help the doj in any way to boost legal arguments to make sure that they can get pence to testify? >> i think our viewers know you ore a lawyer. that's a smart question, katie. the answer is absolutely. because that means also there is a waiver of privilege. even to the extent there was privilege or wasn't here, you know, that will be overcome by the waiver. >> hugo, as we mentioned at the beginning of this segment, trump is angry with the supreme court, kind of ironic, because he hand picked at least three of those justices. let's listen to all the excuses as to why he was not going to turn ov

pence presidency. generally who he is but i think that for the american public it is going to be hard for him to really get a lot of enthusiasm on either side of this divide within the republican party. >> yeah. eric two of these point i want to play the moment where vice president pence addressed what happened on january 6th. >> take a look at the video over here. that, of course, with the noose hanging outside the capitol that day. rioters were calling for your execution chanting hang mike pence. almost two years later, is it still tough to see that and hear that i have? i >> jake, it saddens me. but that day, it angered me. i must tell you, when the secret service took us down to the loading dock, accompanied by my wife, and my daughter charlotte, and our secret service detail, i was determined to stay at my post. i told the secret service that i was not leaving the capital. i didn't want to give those people the site of a 16 car motorcade speeding away from the capitol that day. but frankly, when i

chanting, hang mike pence.t two years later, is it still tough to hear some of the video, of the hang mike pence, two years later, is it still tough to see that in here that? >> jake, it saddens me. but that day, it angered me. i must tell you, when the secret service took us down to the loading dock, accompanied by my wife and my daughter charlotte, our secret service detail, i was determined to stay at my post. i told the secret service, i was not leaving the capital. i didn't want to give those people the site of a six car motorcade the set of speeding away from the capitol that. frankly, when i saw those images, and when i read a tweet from president trump issued, saying that i lacked courage in that moment. it angered me greatly. but to be honest with you, i didn't have time for it. the president had decided in that moment to be a part of the problem, i have decided, and was determined to be part of the solution. >> joining me now, cnn political commentator -- former top aide to the mitt romney presidentia

david asks mike pence if trump should ever be president again, will pence run himself? he asked if president trump hurt republicans in the midterms. and what pence makes of those classified documents taken away from the white house. david muir's exclusive interview airs tomorrow night on "world news tonight" and across abc news and tomorrow night at 10:00 p.m. eastern, the primetime special, the david muir exclusive, the mike pence interview, no questions off limits. what mike pence witnessed on january 6th. mike pence's new book entitled "so help me god" comes out on tuesday. >>> now to that deadly midair disaster at a vintage air show in texas. six people were killed when two world war ii-era planes collided as thousands of horrified spectators looked on. rubble was seen raining down on a nearby highway. federal investigators just wrapped up a briefing. abc's mireya villarreal is on the scene. >> reporter: tonight, officials confirming six people dead after two historic planes collide in mid-air. no one on the ground was injured. >> we had an air collision. >> reporte

, chanting hang mike pence after trump berated pence for refusing to block joe biden's win. videos show secret service agents rushing pence to safety before he went into hiding for more than four hours. at times, rioters were only 40 ft. away pence is largely avoided criticizing his former boss until now president's words that day at the rally endangered me and my family and everyone at the capitol building. we are seeing a full throated condemnation from the vice president book. pence describes would not block biden's win the- president laid into me, pence writes, adding that trump responded by saying, you will go down as a wimp. if you do that. i made a big mistake five years ago. the full interview with pence airs on world news tonight, followed by more coverage on our streaming channel, abc news live and nightline breaking overnight. police are now investigating the deaths of four students at the university of idaho as homicides . the victims were found in a home near campus in the city of moscow. and as of last night, no suspects were in custody. police are not saying h

if mike pence does the right thing -- >> we win the election. >> reporting that mike pence is considering telling the doj when he wouldn't say to the january six committee. with >> another brutal mass shooting in virginia beach, columns on what we're learning about the club q shooter in colorado. in a runoff controversy for herschel walker. can a candidate hold a primary residence in texas all running for senate in georgia? and why tonight could be the most important thanksgiving eve for sale palin quite some time. all in starts right now. >> good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. the department of justice wants to talk to former vice president mike pence. they want to talk about a violent coup against united states. disrupting the peaceful transfer of power for the first time in modern history. new york times quotes that pence was present for some of the critical moments that they scheme to keep him on office. that reasoning is why this development doesn't really come as much of a surprise. we already know that there were many key moments when pence was the only person in the room

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pence's home state of indiana. please welcome former vice president mike pence.ause] >> good to see, sir. thank you for joining. [applause] so we are going to get to the audience in just a moment. i have to ask, you of course, about the elephant in the room, which is your former, boss donald trump, just announce he is running for president. will you support him? >> it's great to be here at cnn, jake. it really is. thank you for bringing together so many great americans, including, i heard, some people from my home state -- >> a lot of them, a lot of them. hoosiers in the house. >> let me just say that it was a great honor for me to be a part of the trump pence administration. in four short years we rebuilt our military, we revived our economy, we unleashed american energy. we appointed conservatives to our courts at every level. but in the end, our administration did not end well. and i write about that in my book. and as i've traveled across the country over the last year and a half, one thing i have heard over and over again, whether it's at the grocery store -

[applause] and please welcome karen pence, wife of vice president mike pence. [applause] president rated -- president reagan son, michael. where are you michael? [applause] i have to introduce my college roommate, mike and his wife betsy, and her father. [applause] i would like to begin with a brief history lesson. it is only appropriate that we find ourselves at a residential library. our constitution explicitly states the oath of office for the presidents of the united states. but for other officers of the government, including the vice president, the constitution offers no instruction whatsoever about the oath required. well, the first congress stated that only senators could administer the oath to the vice president. a few months later, they change their mind giving judges that ability. the oath itself has changed many times over the years. the oath in use today for the vice president has been around since 1884. you will be interested to know that our guest tonight took the oath as vice president, with his left hand resting on none other than president reag

alice, what about mike pence? what role do you think he wants in the republican party going forward? >> he wants to continue to have a big part in the party, as he already has. if you recall when donald trump was the nominee, mike pence was instrumental in galvanizing social evangelicals behind donald trump and encouraging him to look for scully like justices and really go all in on the pro life issue and issues that are important to social evangelicals that is mike pence's calling card, and whether he puts his hat in the ring for 2024, or he is advising someone else, he has a key role in keeping issues that are very important to a big part of the republican party front and center. look, it will take someone with a temperament of mike pence to do what needs to be done with the republican party. darting that needle with keeping donald trump's base on board and broadening the 10th to the republicans who are disaffected due to donald trump 's extremism. republicans across the country, john, speaking with them since t

in trump tweeted pence didn't have the courage to do what he said needed to be done referring to pence'sbroke. joe biden's presidential win. and angered me. but i turned to my daughter who was standing there by and i said, it doesn't take courage to break the law. it takes courage to uphold the law. the vice president was forced into hiding as writers entered the capitol in his new book pence goes into detail about trump's reaction the moment he told the president he would not block biden's win. you can watch pence's exclusive interview tonight at 10 o'clock right here on abc 7 tune in for that. but right now let's focus on the weather forecast as we started another week. chilly. that's right. nice day though. sandia turned out to be a gorgeous day although a cooler start this afternoon and this morning you felt the chills santa rosa down to 30. dananama 32 degrees at the napa airport. i want to show you a stunning view just look behind me from our santa cruz camera. it's a post sunset view sun went down at 4:58 tonight, and you can see just how clear it is on the coast not clear everywh

what is the likelihood of pence agreeing to this request? >> this is at the very least a starting point, and for the justice department, a lot would have to happen before they could get him to come in to testify. but we have been able to confirm that pence is open to the discussing a possibility agreement to speak with the justice department about what he knows about after the election in 2020 and the lead-up to january 6th. this is a watershed moment for this justice department investigation into january 6th. we know there's been a lot of interest in what exactly was said in the oval office in those days, especially on the 6th. the justice department has tried to nail down things, including direct conversations with donald trump. we know that there's a special counsel that's coming in. i should note this discussion, this request, it did happen before the special counsel was appointed. so now we're going to be watching to see how any negotiations behind the scenes may be playing out as jack smith, the new special counsel, comes in and leads

pence: john, thank you. when i wrote "so help me god" as a about lesson learned early in my life and challenges at this season of my public career. but i hope that people who take a look at this book see that it has also been described as the most wholesome defense of the record of the trump-penn's administration because i could not be more proud to have been vice president in an administration that rebuild our military, rolled back taxes and regulations, created 7 million good paying jobs, unemployment was at a 50 year low. we unleashed american energy and became a net exporter of energy for the first time in 70 years. we secured our southern border and reduce illegal immigration by 90%. [applause] and we appointed more than 300 conservatives to our federal courts at every level included justice neil gorsuch, brett kavanaugh and amy coney barrett. that conservative majority gave america a new beginning and -- in the right to life in the last six months. [applause] to me, it was a privilege to be a part of i

>> vice president pence: silence is deafening. congress in 2009 when the green revolution happened in iran, and when barack obama refused to speak in favor of people who had taken to the streets in iran for their own freedom, their own democracy. i offered a resolution with a democrat in the congress, the late john mccain authored it with joe lieberman. we passed it unanimously. two days later, finally, president obama spoke in favor of the people, the great revolution. it seemed like what happened in the obama/biden administration is happening now in the bid biden/harris administration. ostensibly, because of the lockdowns in china -- but what i am hearing and reading is that it's also people standing up for basic individual rights and freedom in china, and now more than ever, those people who are locked in that police state that is communist china, ought to know that from the president of the united states on down, we stand with freedom for people in china. >> martha: on tiktok, i think that's a colossal waste of time. i think w

president mike pence. i thought the article was interesting because it was difficult to tell where exactly this was coming from. it's hard to imagine that this is necessarily being linked by the doj. if it's by, you know, coming from pence's world, i know -- it noted that a number of people who are familiar with the former vice president's thinking said he may be open to talking to the doj. and so, ultimately i think that -- you're shaking your head. at pence for talking to the doj. but ultimately i really think this could be headed towards a subpoena. it's hard to imagine that pence is going to willingly talk to the doj without that being handed to him first. >> brianna, i wouldn't want to be mike pence. he made -- he cut a deal with the devil six years ago, and he just can't escape. every day, week, month, he's ensnared by trump and now he wants to run for president. he cannot escape. >> at this point, is talking to the doj going to really further hurt his political ambitions? if you're someone who suppo

when the mob stormed the capital, chanting hang mike pence after trump berated pence for refusing to block joe biden's win. videos show secret service agents rushing pence to safety before he went into hiding for more than four hours. at times, rioters were only 40 ft. away. pence is largely avoided criticizing his former boss until now president's words that day at the rally endange at the capitol building. we are seeing a full throated condemnation from the vice president in his new book, pence describes the moment he told trump that he would not block biden's win the president laid into me, pence writes, adding that trump responded by saying, you'll go down as a wimp. if you do that, i made a big mistake five years ago. that was just a preview. the full interview with pence airs on world news tonight, followed by more coverage on our streaming channel, abc news live and nightline. breaking overnight, a tragedy at the university of idaho, four students have been found dead near the campus. authorities have not revealed how the students died. but homicide is suspected. no suspect is

this was the first outreach that came from the department through the pence team, and pence had not been sort of the first step in trying to turn pence into a witness against trump in that investigation. this could take a long time to play out. trump has tried to invoke and use executive privilege to slow and stop former white house officials from testifying against him. that is probably something he would try to do here. he has not been successful in stopping that so far. i think among other aides, but he has been able to slow the process. pence is said to be considering the request from the department, looking at it differently than the congressional investigation of january 6th, which he had said, he said in interviews last week, for his book, that he does not have, congress does not have a right to his testimony. so he had rejected the overtures from the january 6th committee. it's much harder to reject the overtures from something like a criminal investigation where they could subpoena him. so that's sort of where it stands. obviously, pence, as a witness, against trump, would be ye

mike pence says remorseful. that maybe suggests that trump understood that he had engaged in bad behavior, if not illegal behavior. >> really quickly, we're just about out of time. do you think the appointment of the special counsel impacts this decision because he was asked prior? >> jack smith is the type of prosecutor that will resort to what legal authorities he has to bring mike pence to testify. and those legal authorities are subpoenaed. that's the key. if he subpoenas pence, i think it is basically game over. >> ryan goodman, good to see you. "outfront" next, exclusive reporting from a crucial city in ukraine. how resistance fighters hunted down and killed russian soldiers. >>> plus, police in idaho revealing more about the stabbing deaths of four college students as their families speak out, saying authorities aren't doing enough. i'm stuck! is that the new iphone? yup, i just got the new iphone 14 with its amazing camera at t-mobile. wow! at t-mobile, get four iphone 14's on us and four new lines for $

eastern for analysis of the town hall with jake tapper and mike pence. pence.s town hall with former vice president mike pence. i'm jake tapper. he is the man at the center of one of the most fateful days in american history, january 6, 2021. and tonight the former vice president will lay out the events of that day in detail, and his days in the trump presidency. mr. pence joins us just 24 hours after mr. trump announced he's running for president a third time. the questioners are republicans and independents and democrats from the new york area and from mr. pence's home state of indiana. please welcome former vice president mike pence. so, we're going to get to the audience in just a moment. but first i have

so it's no surprise that he went after mike pence. >> reporter: in these excerpts, pence gives new detail rioters inside the capitol and outside were looking for him. [ chanting: hang mike pence ] >> reporter: the secret service, pence writes, wanted to get him out of the building. pence said he argued with his lead agent. quote, i pointed my finger at his chest and said, iyou're not hearing me. i'm not leaving. i'm not giving those people the sight of a 16-car motorcade speeding away from the capitol. they agreed to move the vice president to a more secure spot at the loading dock. >> they were doing it in the blind. they didn't realize what was going on outside because the incident command structure had fallen apart at the u.s. capitol. pence's new book could be the opening salvo in a dual between the former allies for the 2024 republican presidential nomination. for months, they've been sparring from a distance. >> mike, and i say it sadly, because i like him, but mike did not have the courage to act. >> reporter: how might donald trump wage what will likely be a very personal battle?

so it's no surprise he went after mike pence. >> reporter: in these excerpts pence gives new detail whenrs inside the capitol and outside were looking for him. the secret service, pence writes, wanted to get him out of the building. pence says he argued with his lead agent. quote, i pointed my finger at his chest and said you're not hearing me, i'm not leaving. i'm not giving people the sight of a 16-car motorcade speeding away from the capitol. they agreed to move the vice president to a secure spot. >> they didn't realize what was going on outside because the incident command structure had fallen apart at the u.s. capitol. >> reporter: pence's new book could be the opening salvo in a dual between the former allies in the 2024 republican presidential nomination. for months they've been sparring from a distance. >> mike, and i say it sadly because i like him, but mike did not have the courage to act. >> reporter: how might donald trump wage what might likely be a very personal battle? >> he will use every private conversation the two of them ever had. he will use the accusation of disloy

hang mike pence! >> about the january 6th riots. >> it angered me, david. not this, not here, not in america. >> the tension with former president trump on that day. >> the president tweets "mike pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done. >> i turned to my daughter and said it didn't take courage to break the law. it takes courage to you hold the law. >> how he feels about the former president running again, and what he is saying about his own plans for the white house. this special edition of "nightline," "breaking with the president: the mike pence interview" will be right back. starting with your digestive system. metamucil's plant-based fiber forms a gel to trap and remove the waste that weighs you down, helps lower cholesterol and promotes healthy blood sugar levels. while its collagen peptides help support your joint structures. so, start feeling lighter and more energetic by taking metamucil every day. try metamucil fiber gummies made with a prebiotic, plant-based fiber ble

it's no surprise that he went after mike pence. >> reporter: in the excerpts, pence gives new detailside the capitol and outside, were looking for him. >> hang mike pence. >> reporter: the secret service, pence writes, wanted to get him out of the building. pence says he argued with his lead agent. quote, i pointed my finger at his chest and said, you're not hearing me. i'm not leaving. i'm not giving those people the sight of a 16-car motorcade speeding away from the capitol. they agreed to move the vice president to a secure spot at the loading dock. >> they were doing it in the blind. they didn't realize what was going on outside because the incident command structure had fallen apart at the capitol. >> reporter: his book could be the opening salvo in a duel for the 2024 nomination. for months, they have been sparring from a distance. >> mike, i say it sadly because i like him. mike didn't have the courage to act. >> reporter: how donald trump weighed what will be a personality battle. >> he will use every private conversation the two of them ever had. he will use the accusation o

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pence has not been subpoenaed and the process could take months, because mr.to block, or slow, his testimony, by trying to invoke executive privilege. trump trying to invoke executive privilege to stop two of pence's top aides from speaking to the justice department's grand jury. didn't work. both reportedly testified to the grand jury over the summer. is there former boss next? and will trump try to stand in the way of that testimony if pence is indeed willing? joining us now, former acting solicitor general of the united states, also with us, is glen kirsch ner, a former federal prosecutor, both are msnbc legal analysts. thank you both for being here. glen, starting with you, from a prosecutor standpoint, what's the benefit of speaking to pence, especially considering they've already spoken to his two top deputies? >> you want to get, you want to get it right out of the horse's mouth. let's remember, pence is not only a fact witness, to donald trump's pressure campaign, trying to get him to essentially violate the law, the electoral counteract, he's also a v

but if pence wants to talk he probably will be able to. alison? >> and that's just one of the things he said in his new book. we'll read more of the passages as well. kaitlan, thank you very much. we have cnn political commentator errol lewis tonight, joey jackson and scott jennings. legally this is in a different category, right? the department of justice is in a different category that the january 6th house committee. does mike pence have to answer doj prosecutors? >> he could stall it. he could prevent it. i think there will come a time where he will answer questions, so let's talk about the distinction. when you have a house committee of course congress has oversight responsibility and they're investigating for that purpose. we're talking about the department of justice we're talking about a department involved in criminality. when you're doing that the only effective way not to testify is assert some privilege or give an indication you shouldn't testify. i don't think the privilege -- i don't think he's looking to assert privilege. i don't th

as you, just a short time, ago cbs released its new interview with pence.hat he won't testify before the january 6th committee, listen. >> i served for 12 years in the congress, it is inconceivable to me that one party would appoint every member of the committee of congress. that is antithetical to the whole idea of the committee system. that being, said i never stood in the way of senior members of my team cooperating with the committee and testifying. but congress has no right to my testimony. we have separation of powers in the constitution of the united states. and i believe it would establish terrible precedent for the congress to summon a vice president of the united states to speak about deliberations that took place at the white house. >> you are closing the door on that? >> i am the closing the door on that. but i must say, again, the partisan nature of the january 6th committee has been a disappointment to me. it seemed to me in the beginning that there was an opportunity to examine every aspect of what happened on january 6th. and to do so more i

that is the case with pence.i feel compelled to point out that prosecutors don't go into these during pre-judging the guilt. they listen to the evidence, follow where it leads, sometimes it establishes, guilt sometimes it tends to provide some barriers that make it difficult for prosecutors to get their. but it's important for prosecutors that they have access to all of the evidence in this situation executive privilege is not something that will prevent that. >> let's talk about trump who has zero to be thankful this week. the house gets a look at his tax returns, and federal appeals looks like they're ready to end the review in the mar-a-lago documents case if. that happens, many believe an indictment of trump for unlawful possession could come soon thereafter. how far have viewers leave re-write these tea leaves, joyce, how important are these recent developments? >> they're incredibly important in two different ways. although this congress is one winding to a close, it's not clear the house will be able to ma

i asked pence whether, given hi own role as leader, that dr.as been so vilified on the right? >> i think in the early days of the coronavirus task force, dr. fauci was a great source of comfort to millions of americans. he had an easygoing bedside marine that he communicated at the podium. as i said, we always had a good rapport. dr. fauci, during mime time i. stayed in his lane. i'm the scientist at the table. i'm going to tell you -- he would almost invariably say, i know the president and you have a lot more to consider than that. you have to think of the broader impact on the american member and on the country as a whole. so for me, in those early days, he made an enormous difference of the development of a very balanced policy, lighting the entrepreneurial spirit of companies to development the supplies, the masks, ultimately the medicine and vaccine in record time, but i must tell you that, when the biden administration came in, essentially turned over the management of covid to dr. fauci, i was not surprised to see them put all of their

the discussions about questioning mister pence are said to be in their early stages, mister pence has not been subpoenaed and the process could take months because mr. trump can seek to block, or slow his testimony by trying to invoke executive privilege. he tried to invoke executive privilege, -- it didn't work. both reportedly testified to the grand jury over the summer. is the former boss next? and will trump try to stand in the way of the testimony if he is indeed willing? joining us now, nia catio, former acting solicitor general. also glenn kirschner, a former federal prosecutor, both are msnbc legal analysts. thank you for being here. i'll start with you, from a former prosecutors standpoint, what's the benefit of speaking to pence, especially considering that they've already spoken to his top two top deputies? >> you want to get it right out of the horse's mouth. let's remember, pence is not only a witness for donald trump 's pressure campaign, trying to get him to violate the law, the electoral count act. he is also a victim. i have to say, john, i heard mike pence say that h

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excerpts from former vice president mike pence upcoming book are out this morning. abc's injury, fuji reports the book sheds new light on january 6th and former president trump. this morning. our first look at former vice president mike pence's new book , so help me god due out next tuesday. much of it centers around the january 6th riot and his role in certifying the 2020 election results in excerpts obtained by the wall street journal, pence, writes that former president trump warned him he would go down as a wimp if you certified the election and told pence, you can be a historic figure, but if you wimp out you're just another somebody . pence writes that he followed his conscience and did not believe the constitution gave him the authority to override the voters. with that, he said, trump told him to honest hundreds of thousands are going to hate your guts. people are gonna think you're stupid. it may be no coincidence that on the same day pence's book is scheduled to be released, trump has now promised to make a big announcement, potentially launching his 2024

that pence didn't have the courage to overturn the election. in the book, pence called the tweet reckless, writing, the president had decided to be part of the problem. >> jon karl with us now from washington. jon, former president trump is still expected to announce he's running tuesday, even though some allies and advisers are urging him not to. >> reporter: whit, the former president plans to announce that 2024 campaign tuesday night in mar-a-lago, despite the fact that most of his current advisers and former advisers and members of his own family would hope he would delay until after the run-off election in georgia next month. trump has been adamant he'll announce his presidential campaign tuesday and expects republican leaders up and down the line to get on board and support his candidacy. >> jon, thanks to you. former vice president pence is sitting down with david for his first network interview, his role on january 6th, his duty, the riot in the capital and inside the trump white house. his new book "so help me god" comes out tuesday, n

but pence is disclosing that in his book. sort of thing that could get the justice department interested. and the justice department has a lot of power in a criminal probe like this. have used former presidents to testify invest to. geishas really they have no balance around them to use people like pence. as a witness. i have to go through a process to get executive privilege. wiped away in court. but really, they have been in the situation where he's in former president ronald reagan after leaving office testified about things going on. inside of his administration at the iran contra affair. so we are in an area that we just do not know what is going to happen here. but if pence wants to, talk he probably will be able to. alison? >> we will remove the passages as well. caitlin, thank you very much. we have cnn political commentator errol lewis with us tonight. and legal analyst joey jackson. and scott jennings, great to have you here. so joe, legally this isn't a different category. and the twin category that the january six

if pence were to run in 2024 is he an attractive candidate?think he's not sure and that's why he's deferring from directly attacking the former president. right now especially in the first few days after these mid-terms it's an open question how much of the gop has a rabid loyalty to the former president. pence knows as the former president's vice president and a member of the trumpian wing of the republican party, that his base when energized can be a very potent force. >> yes. >> so i think what we're seeing right now besides the fact that pence is not very confrontational in general is just sort of an attempt to try and survey the landscape until we have a better sense of whether the entire gop, just the donor class or none at all are really still with former president trump. >> it's interesting you say not confrontational. yesterday ron desantis, another potential competitor to trump, he was vintage desantis when asked about his rivalry. this is his response. >> we just finished this election, okay? people just need to chill out a little b