bacon. >> kevin mccarthy. >> mccarthy. baird. >> kevin mccarthy. >> mccarthy.nt. >> jeffries. >> jeffries. banks. >> mccarthy. >> mccarthy. barr. >> mccarthy. >> mccarthy. barrigan. >> jeffries. >> jeffries. -- of florida. >> mccarthy. >> beatty. >> i proudly cast my historic vote for hakeem jeffries. >> jeffries. bentz. >> kevin mccarthy. >> mccarthy. >> bera. >> hakeem jeffries. >> jeffries. >> bergman. >> mccarthy. >> mccarthy. buyer. beyer. >> hakeem jeffries. >> jeffries. bice. >> kevin mccarthy. >> mccarthy. >> biggs. >> biggs. >> biggs . bilirakis. >> mccarthy. >> mccarthy. bishop of georgia. >> hakeem jeffries. >> jeffries. bishop of north carolina. >> biggs. >> biggs. blumenauer. >> jeffries. >> jeffries. blunt rochester. >> hakeem jeffries. >> jeffries. boebert. >> my cast for vote for jordan. >> jordan. >> bonamici. -- hakeem jeffries. >> sdpref fries. bost. >> kevin mccarthy. >> mccarthy. >> bowman. >> hakeem jeffries. >> jeffries. boyle of pennsylvania. >> hakeem jeffries. >> jeffries. brakim. >> banks. >> banks. >> brown. >> hakeem jeffries. >> je

. >> they're sort of the only kevin-ish folks. >> maybe kevin. >> right. >> goes from -- >> morally kevin. >> you kind of agree with alyssa this is kind of -- there's a strategy here. >> i think there is a strategy here. i think the idea that jim jordan and others who are ideologically aligned with him did not know how this would pan out defies common sense and, you know, it's not clear to me who the alternative will be. scalise is probably the best bet because i think so much of this is personal but the irony is that kevin mccarthy has done everything that these people have asked of him over the past two years, to the point of really diminishing himself in the eyes of not only his colleagues on both sides of the aisle especially moderates on the republican side and democrats, of course, but also i think in the eyes of the public and he's still not going to get it? >> it was actually -- the core of gaetz's speech was that mccarthy had, what did he say -- >> selling shares of himself. >> and one of the people i assume he tried to sell shares of himself to was matt gaetz. >> yes, i mean, th

i don't know if kevin mccarthy or anybody else is going to do that. >> in 2015 when kevin went down, and then ryan was not ready to ascend, i had the democrats approach me who were sent over by the leaders to say, well, if you can get some votes, we will help you to find the rest, and we started to have those conversations so i can see a coalition speaker, and it is not likely or probable, but if you can't get 218, you could get a coalition speaker. >> or get enough concessions to get rid of mccarthy so that enough of the far right comes with you. >> i wanted to focus on the dynamics of the modern day republican party which would make it difficult for anyone who had been the minority leader for this past 117th congress to emerge unscathed from this experience and keep the coalition enough to become speaker in the 118th congress. so you either have to side with the people like marjorie taylor greene and upset the moderate members or you have to go with the moderates and upset people like marjorie taylor greene, and you can't have it both ways. >> well, mondaire, to the way they make c

i want only kevin mccarthy. so i will only vote for kevin mccarthy. so maybe they can garner some folks and start getting off kevin mccarthy's bandwagon. i don't think so. but there's some of us that will stick it out. as long as kevin sticks it out, all we need the 10 people, 15 people saying we're only going to vote for kevin mccarthy and we're back in the same boat. we need to find a solution. the conference, the republican conference, elected kevin mccarthy by overwhelming majority and we need to elect kevin mccarthy as a speaker. we need to move on with america's business. the business that america and americans voted us to do to reduce inflation, to take care of the energy crisis, to also solve the crisis at the southern border, to stop the flow of fentanyl killing tens of thousands of americans every year. that's the business that we came here to do, not fight with each o'er this. it's unfortunate we have a small percentage of republicans that are stopping us from doing america's work right now. >> neil: it's a fascinating process. you mentione

why are they with kevin? he was the one traveling the country purity was the one raising millions of millions of dollars. he is the one that secured republican majority in the house. i think a lot of us did that together. he is the one who did the work. i think a lot of these members are very, very loyal to him on top of the fact he will be a bold leader as speaker. he will do the things that republican voters want to republican leadership to do. >> john: you know, ronna, i mentioned all of these opponents and kevin mccarthy can't articulate what they want. we had on fox, "fox & friends" this morning chrissy said we can't keep doing things the way we have been doing them and without pointing to specific details they have some details. one of the things is they want the threshold to vacate the chair that is to bring to a vote to change the speaker to a threshold of one member of congress, mccarthy offered five down from 50% of the caucus. when you take a look at demands like that, do they seem reasonable to yo

and kevin mccarthy tried. he courted these folks for years and years but they've never really believed that he was one of them, and that is -- >> why? >> because he's not. he's not and we could go through the history of the, you know, the young guns and the previous iteration of kevin mccarthy but he's not and he never will be and for that reason they may never come around and i'm not sure who else is going to really give them what they claim they want. >> one thing he did that you're seeing the result of in a way that he did not expect, after january 6th going down and meeting with donald trump and giving him the oxygen that could have been sort of snuffed out and he made that gamble, not because he thought donald trump was right in any way, even though he would never admit that in public now, he made that gamble because he wanted the people who are voting no to be on his side and the gamble didn't pay off. >> yes. >> what is trump about? he's about grievance politics. right now these members are airing their

four people close to kevin mccarthy.er parts of the republican congress and four people who are part of this 20 group block of members denying kevin mccarthy the path to the speakership. have them sit down in the room, negotiate, see what agreement they could be reached or at least get some sort of proposal on the table in writing and present that to the rest of the conference and the rest of the members of the republican conference. that's been a big challenge for people close to kevin mccarthy over last day sore so. they're trying to get in writing what these detractors want. that's been vague according to the members part of this discussion. they're saying they've not gotten any clear sense of the members of what exactly they could do in order to get to a yes. there are signs at least that the talks are continuing, which is a positive sign, at least, the mccarthy folks believe this is a positive sign that perhaps they could break the stale mate. chip roy, one of the 20 no votes tells me he is not against kevin mccarth

i'm telling you, there is nobody back home saying kevin, kevin, we want more kevin. who says that? so these 20 are looking at that saying, i don't have a single person that i report to that says i want more kevin mccarthy. >> martha: it's a great point. every one of them believes what they're doing right now will get them re-elected. >> they think this is helping them. they have the youtube videos and things that say, i said we are not going to continue to perpetuate the status quo. kevin mccarthy personifies the status quo. he's been in leadership for 14 years. we've got to make a change. that's what i promised to do. that's what i'm fighting for. that gets them re-elected. >> martha: you look at the things that mccarthy said he wants to do. certainly securing the border is on that list. making the country more energy dependent is on that list. the fiscal responsibility piece is the one that is a question mark. it appears that on both sides, you can go back decades in this. on both sides, people seem to be happy to go from budgets that are millions and trillions and not care about

kevin mccarthy. that's it.ou know, lauren boebert laid it out when she said we want the rules changed but we want a different kind of leader, what kind of leader, he suggested this might be the last time that he supports kevin mccarthy for speaker. may be, he was either the last time or may be he'll do it again, but, he's clearly open to changing, pete sessions has been on our air, essentially saying the same thing, saying what does the 20 want in terms of who would they accept as a speaker? because it's clear they're not accepting kevin mccarthy. >> we have evidence that they're not serious about getting to a place on kevin mccarthy because donalds was a kevin mccarthy supporter. >> let's listen to the end of the roll call? >> mccarthy? >> zinke? >> mccarthy. >> the reading clerk will now call the names of the members elect who did not answer the first call of the roll. armstrong? >> mccarthy. >> byce? >> mccarthy. >> buck? >> mccarthy. >> cloud? >> donalds. >> crenshaw? >> mccarthy. >> davidson? >> mccarthy.

it not an anti kevin statement. it's part of the police call process here in washington d.c.: i think it's possible. a lot of work needs to be done. >> things are beginning to get testy. there's heckling from one side of the aisle to the other. the question is how much longer does mccarthy stay in the race. what is interesting is that there are no talks behind the scenes to convince mccarthy opponents to support him. neil? >> neil: what is interesting, there's 434 members voting, right? >> that's consistent. >> neil: we're moving at a pace that shows others have running potentially higher than even the prior vote. so rather than cushioning things and showing signs, maybe he's making some small gains, but gains, but it's just the opposite. >> that's right. that's where we thought earlier today they might go into recess because mccarthy may not be able to show any progress on the floor. certainly what happened with president trump putting out the mess sink of support in favor of robert mueller. keep in mind the former

carey. >> kevin mccarthy. >> mccarthy. carl. >> kevin mccarthy. >> mccarthy. carson. >> hakeem jeffries. >> jeffries. carter of georgia. >> kevin mccarthy. >> mccarthy. carter of louisiana. >> i cast vote for hakeem jeffries. >> jeffries. carter of texas. >> kevin mccarthy. >> mccarthy. cartwright. >> jeffries. >> jeffries. casar. >> jeffries. >> jeffries. case. >> jeffries. >> jeffries. casten. >> jeffries. >> jeffries. castor of florida. >> jeffries. >> jeffries. castro of texas. >> jeffries. >> jeffries. chavez-deremer. >> kevin mccarthy. >> mccarthy. cherfilus-mccormick. >> jeffries. >> jeffries. chu. >> jeffries. >> jeffries. cicilline. >> jeffries. >> jeffries. ciscomani. >> kevin mccarthy. >> mccarthy. clark of massachusetts. >> hakeem jeffries. >> jeffries. clarke of new york. >> hakeem jeffries. >> jeffries. cleaver. >> jeffries. >> jeffries. cline. >> mccarthy. >> mccarthy. cloud. >> byron donalds. >> donalds. clyburn. >> jeffries. >> so, at this point congressman byron donalds, republican of florida, has received five votes. we do not know how many

kevin mccarthy. let's watch. let's watch. >> yeah, he's standing right over here. we'll try to grab him. he is a few steps away from me. >> the camera is moving over. get in there, buddy. get in there. >> unfortunately, the cord doesn't allow that. let me see if i can get closer and i'm clipped from here so you'll lose some audio. >> thanks, sir. >> reporter: we'll have to wait here, jake. i'm not able to get any closer here, but the bottom line is that kevin mccarthy at the moment does not have the votes to become elected speaker. we do expect the fourth ballot or another ballot vote likely going to happen here because they've -- mr. leader, do you have the votes now? do you have the votes. >> i think what you'll find is the votes will improve. we have a couple people out for personal reasons but -- >> reporter: you don't have a deal yet, right? so, jake, i have lost my audio so i'll toss right back to you. if you heard what he said is that i think what you're going to see is some progress. he said

mccarthy. >> carl. >> kevin mccarthy. >> carson. >> hakeem jeffries. >> carter of georgia. >> kevinccarthy. >> carter of louisiana. >> hakeem jeffries. >> carter of texas? >> mccarthy. >> cartwright. >> jeffries. >> casar. >> hakeem jeffries. >> case. >> jeffries. >> cas ton. >> jeffries. >> castro of florida. >> jeffries. >> castro of texas. >> jeffries. >> chavez. >> kevin mccarthy. >> mccormack? >> jeffries? we should note here that maybe a couple dozen votes ago, ken buck's name was called in the role, congressman buck, he's a critical vote for kevin mccarthy. he was due back into town. he was out of town. we don't know exactly his whereabouts at this moment, but that is a critical vote for mccarthy in this 14th vote so we'll be monitoring this and we're going to know one way or another by the end of this. he's now on the floor we just understand. things are happening moment by moment. so he is on the floor. let's dip back in >> cliburn? cliburn? >> jeffries. >> clyde. >> mccarthy. >> cohen. >> jeffries. >> cole. >> kevin mccarthy. >> collins. >> mccarthy. >> comer. >> mccarthy.

kevin mccarthy.private, he and his allying claim there is progress. manu described what a critical moment this is right now, to see a potentially deal on paper and for people to see if there's actually something to move for. whatever momentum exists is whatever is going on behind the door. >> this is disfunction at the highest degree, and to your point there's a deal in the works. there was supposed to be a deal earlier today. chip roy said he had ten votes. we're still at 20 plus 1. the concessions that kevin mccarthy has made, at least publicly, have not made a difference thus far. let's assume for a moment there is now some real progress being male behind the scenes. again, the question is, will that extend to the never-kevins? the people who are not interested in rules changes or committee assignments. they don't like kevin mccarthy. it's personal. >> you mentioned how shocking it is, wolf, but it shouldn't be surprising. remember, back after the 2010 election, the 2014 election, a lot of people

is there a point that you say, i love you, kevin, we love you, kevin. you're just not getting to the 218. no way, no how. good-bye. >> kevin has done the things that are necessary -- >> neil: i understand that. but he's not getting it done. he's not getting it done. >> i get what you're saying, neil. he deserves the opportunity. if he wants to withdraw, we'll have a discussion. at this point it's kevin. >> neil: so it would have to depends on him drawing. after nine rounds, it up to him to bough out. not for you to force him out. >> we're not going to force somebody out because they did their job correctly because these other people don't like him. it's important that we stay with the man because he stayed with us and helped produce the majority that we're squandering. >> neil: i understand what you're saying because he's did his job and well. but that ain't enough to close the deal. if it looks like he's not closing the deal, i don't want to put words in your mouth but you're saying we'll let him close that deal, not us. we'll let him decide if this is

steve scalise is supporting kevin. jim jordan is supporting kevin. as a matter of fact, every member of the leadership team including every ranking member now becoming a chairman is supporting kevin. so we are in a situation in which the 19 have to explain what they want. right now they haven't done a very good job of explaining it to the conference, which is why there's quite a bit of angst in the conference. i'll say this. until we had this vote, people didn't have people to talk to. we now have 19 people to talk to. after we come out of what i suspect will be a conference break, i think that number will shrink, not grow. >> so you think after this vote is fully tallied, are they going to go to a third vote or do some arm wrestling behind the scenes? >> my hope is they take a break. if they don't do this, they go to a third. it remains 19, that will signal that you have to take the break and have the discussion. you have to give the 19 a chance to sit in a room with the basically 200 and have a discussion. the fact is that everyone on both sides of

i believe that kevin hern is a unifier. he just received the chairman of the republican study committee by unanimous consent. this is the largest caucus in our conference. look how many people have already put their trust in kevin hern to lead them. i get asked by my constituents, where does this go? who can unify the unify the par? who can deliver results? representative kevin hern can do just that, and i am proud to enter his name into the nomination. and i hope that some of you join me. thank you and i yield back. round with no candidate for speaker elected. kevin mccarthy received 200 votes. hakeem jeffries received 212, and byron donalds 13. oklahoma republican kevin hern received 7 votes for speaker and indiana republican latoya sparks again voted present. here are the nominating speeches to those candidates. rise to nominate kevin mccarthy as speaker of the house. the clerk of the house: the gentleman is recognized. >> thank you, madam clerk. the american dream is a dream -- >> order. the house is not in order. the >

kevin mccarthy cannot get 218. what is the secret to getting some of these republicans to rally behind? caller: i think we are kind of going through the process and that's what has to happen. i think people have to stand up for what they believe in. ultimately, mccarthy is either going to have to step down, because he is not going to get those votes, and maybe they go back to the table. but him thinking they are going to give in, nobody is giving in. you cannot change somebody's mind with a political ad. people know what they want and i am tired of what is happening in washington. i am tired of hearing all the things going on wrong with the states and i am in a democratic state. i would really like to see donalds get it. i think he could be a good change and if the rest of the congress does not want to go with it, they are going to have to keep going and keep opposing. there is nothing else that can be done. host: also on the oppose line is james in katy, texas. caller: how are you doing? host: doing great. caller:

kevin mccarthy voted for kevin mccarthy. jim is voting for kevin.ink until people come with a clear sense of what is it going the take for us to get to 218, we're going to be in this sort of round-robin. that's what i think, is cooler heads will prevail tonight to clear people up on where we are and what it's going to talk. >> congressman sessions, good to see you. thank you for joining us. let's talk about this with the panel. it sounded to me, if i can bring out my politician-to english, english-to-politician dictionary. it sounded like he was saying i'm waiting for jim jordan to throw his hat into the ring. >> well, to quote the tall mutt, if i'm not going to be for myself, who will be for me. if even jim jordan is voting for kevin mccarthy, it's kind of weird to expect everyone else to vote for jim jordan. i think that was his point. mick mulvaney made the point earlier. there's literally no way you'll get enough votes for jim jordan tore speaker. this feels very government shutdown, circa 2013 where you had all the republicans saying you can re

again, i have no personal animus towards kevin. i've worked for the past two months to try to get the rules to make this place better, and we've made progress. but we do not have the tools or the leadership yet to stop the swamp from rolling over the american people. jim has been doing it, he has a track record for doing that. for those reasons i'm nominating jim jordan for speaker of the house of the representatives. >> the reading clerk will call the roll. >> adams. >> adams. >> jeffries. >> jeffries. aderholt. >> mccarthy. aguilar. >> jeffries. >> alford. >> mccarthy. >> allen. >> mccarthy. >> alred. jeffries. >> smodei. >> mccarthy. armstrong. mccarthy. arrington. mccarthy. ca automatic en closs. >> jeffries. babin, mccarthy, bacon. mccarthy. >> baird mccarthy. >> balderson, mccarthy. >> balint, jeffries. >> banks. mccarthy. >> barr. mccarthy. >> barragin. jeffries. >> bean of florida. mccarthy. beatty. >> -- for the third time i'm proud to offer my historic vote for hakeem jeffries. >> jeffries. >> bentz. mccarthy. >> bera, je

mccarthy not being -- kevin mccarthy moved into the speaker's office, kevin mccarthy thought kevin mccarthy was going to be the next speaker. how do you feel about somebody else? >> well, you know, i'm a sucker for the kind of west wing thinking that is starting to verbal up there which is could you put together a bipartisan coalition that maybe the democrats would trade certain votes, certain committee membership, you know, co-chairs of committees in favor of supporting somebody who you hear fred upton's mentioning, a very moderate republican. i really do believe in bipartisanship, and mccarthy has not distinguished himself by bipartisanship. i'll tell you this, i know i speak to each and every last one of us democrats, not a single one of us are breaking to help kevin mccarthy or any other republicans until our leader, hakeem jeffries negotiates something that is consistent with the values and the progress that we've made over these last couple of years. don't hold your breath for that until the republicans come to us and say, you know, we need you guys and here's what we're willing to ne

no, kevin, we're not going that way. we made a commitment to america and we're going to resolve the energy crisis and resolve the crisis at the border and solve the run away spending and give parents the rights for school choice to parents and children and those are the things we ran on and we committed to and we'll hold you accountable and the idea that they don't trust him. the proof is in the pudding and i'm sure -- pudding and i'm sure kevin will deliver and if he doesn't, he has a whole bunch more problems than the 20 not voting for him now. neil: if it remains like this, congressman-elect, do you think that an overture from democrats and republicans to democrats is in order that that might close that and make democrats change in some way shape or form? >> i don't see that and it's not a possibility and i won't accept it right now. we'll get our house in order and have kevin mccarthy as our speaker and move forward and the republican agenda will move forward. >> as you know the last eight go rounds the congresswoman

so kevin mccarthy did that.ck of respect of what happened in those hallowed halls on january 6. we said this many times over the years, he didn't really seem to live up to the title of minority leader. you know, his actual title as leader. he seemed to be more of a follower. i think that is fully on display this week as to why this was not locked down. why you're seeing what kaitlyn is describing a frantic process right now. it is a failure of leadership, the actual position he is seeking, he's already shown this week even if he ends up with the gavel just the way this process is going that he doesn't have the credentials for that in terms of being able to effectively run this place. >> let's not forget one of the reasons he went to mar-a-lago was exactly for today. because he wants donald trump's blessing because he thought he wouldn't be in this position with donald trump's blessing, it would take him over the top. i just want to talk about some texts i've been getting from members who are either allies of kev

>> kevin mccarthy is failing. and i think that if you're -- if you're in the 20, he's not doing himself any favors every single time this goes on failing to get the first set of votes that he needs to get in order to be able to do anything at all. it just -- it erodes i think even perhaps some of the people in the 201. it's eroding confidence he can even do any basic things if he can't get -- >> big picture, he has now lost four ballots. >> yep. he was -- big picture he's lost four ballots but also his vote total is going no the wrong direction. remember, because donalds voted for him on the first two ballots. and then switched to jim jordan and now switched to himself. manu raju, kevin mccarthy is losing votes. >> reporter: yeah, this is certainly not a good sign for him. the concern had been that this essentially would happen. that he would go in the opposite direction here. one of his supporters now voting present. that is not the direction that they needed to go. in fact, last night when mccarthy was talking t

lieutenants is the ns neh-kevin voters who are better with him, but unenthusiastic kevin voters will supporter, and so what effect are these negotiations having on the 201 republicans who continue to vote for mccarthy and on the core group who is enthusiastically for him? >> the core group of those who are enthusiastically for kevin is actually growing, and that is why there is no one who can get to 218 right now. you are seeing in the 20 right now, jake, they are scrambling, and talking about negotiating, and maybe ken buck is right, they do have a plan to stick together, but i would hope that a few of them are negotiating in good faith, because they are getting a lot of things that they are asking for, but in the end, the end, the pro-kevin forces that could keep it going for days and days if the 20 continue to not accept the deal, they are growing in numbers, and growing in strength, and as i talked to one of my good friends who's in the democrat leadership team today, and they said that the dems are enjoying it, so it is not going to end soon unless we see a break. >> how long ca

is kevin giving too much? i don't think he has to this point, but he's very, very close, and i think he knows that he's very close. in fact, some of these individuals said there's really nothing more he can give or us to ask for, and i do believe we're at the point now where we would so weaken the leadership if we were to concede any more that it would be in the very difficult leadership position anyway, it would make it nearly impossible to lead. i think that's why people on both sides recognize we're probably at that point, and there's very little negotiation that'll take place over those issues which is why i think we're going to near an impasse where we can break through and have some positive movement. >> and so what is your bottom line? you say that you're at a point where he cannot give anymore, and does that mean this ends with speaker mccarthy still in your view? >> i'm sorry, the question? >> does this mean we end with a speaker mccarthy? >> no, i really do, and i'm not just saying that for the publi

i believe that kevin hern is a unifier. he just received the chairman of the republican study committee by unanimous consent. this is the largest caucus in our conference. look how many people have already put their trust in kevin hern, to lead them. i get asked by my constituents, where does this go? who can unify the party? who can deliver results? representative kevin hern can do just that. and i am proud to enter his name into the nomination and i hope that some of you join me. thank you. and i yield back. [ applause ] >> the reading clerk will call the roll. >> aderholt? mccarthy. aguilar? jeffries. alford? mccarthy. allen? mccarthy. amodei? mccarthy. armstrong? mccarthy. arrington? bacon? mccarthy. baird? mccarthy. mccarthy. barragan? barragan? jeffries. bean of bentz? mccarthy. bera? jeffries. mccarthy. biggs? bilirakis? mccarthy. bishop of georgia? jeffries. bishop of north carolina? donalds. blumenauer? jeffries. blunt bonamici? jeffries. bost? mccarthy. bowman? jeffries. boyle of pennsylvania? jeffries. brecheen?

kevins. congratulations to the new speaker of the house, i didn't think he could get to 218 votes, he did it. get the 2:16 but he got enough to be speaker and we all watched out how this played out which was kevin mccarthy completely out ruled by 21 members of the house and i would suggest the other people that got ruled by this 21 where the 200 colleagues who have had to give up stuff because kevin did their dealing for them. if matt gates gets gavel, he takes it from somebody. if for members of the caucus going the rules committee, that's four and less slots for the other 200 that sat silently with kevin. what you saw him do though was beat kevin mccarthy which is all things to all people. can he maintain that is the big question tonight. i can tell you what i'm watching for, ayman, in this. there is no way that the debt ceiling will be raised without cooperating with the democrats. democrats in the house simply because the republican majority is too thin, but also democrats in the senate a

david scott, jeffries. >> kevin mccarthy walks off the -- >> he does not look happy. >> kevin mccarthy walks off the floor -- i'm sorry, walks up the floor rather. matt gaetz, he needed him to vote yes not present. >> he's trying to convince him. he appears to be trying to convince matt gaetz to vote yes and not present. >> also, right, if he could get lauren boebert to change from present -- >> we haven't seen him doing this personally on the floor. he's obviously been doing it behind closed doors, but until this moment we've seen his deputies do this. this is it. this is do or die for him. >> that doesn't look like a guy saying yes to kevin mccarthy. >> what a sight to see. >> incredible. >> this is quite a sight to behold. kevin mccarthy needs one vote to become speaker of the house. matt gaetz does not look like he is willing to aqueous and change his vote from present. >> there was some guy in the back to yell at gaetz in a pink tie and another member pulled him back. >> mchenry seems to be trying to talk kevin mccarthy down a little bit here. mchenry of course a key ally who made

it certainly isn't kevin mccarthy. by that i mean, somebody who can unify the party and be feared. >> yeah. nancy pelosi certainly was feared and was able to instill fear in others and get results based on that. i want to check in with melanie who is getting more information about who kevin mccarthy was meeting with. what do we know? >> in addition to the negotiations involving chip roy and some of mccarthy's allies, i'm told kevin mccarthy has met with a group of freshmen republicans who voted against him. during this meeting, just reiterated some of the promises he made and walked through some of the concessions in greater detail. really, it was an opportunity for face time with the freshmen. they have not had the opportunity to be in negotiations with kevin mccarthy like other members have. a lot of the notegotiations wer taking place prior to now, especially in the last few weeks. for mccarthy, it was another opportunity to try to win over some of the holdouts. it offers a window into mccarthy's thinking and into h

we have 85% who voted for kevin and now 91%. and the right thing to do is to pull us around a single person and be a team. teams win. teams in combat, if you're not unified, you get defeated. and so it is incumbent upon this group to come together. one thing to point out. we could have passed three major pieces of legislation and have our committees filled, all on hold right now, because of this 9% of our conference. >> congressman, where does this go from here? i mean what are you hearing from kevin mccarthy? do you just keep doing vote after vote after vote? if you're not going to change the minds of 20 people, or you're not going to change the minds of 15 people, what is the next step here, congressman? >> well, there's two prongs. i think he has to continue working with these 20-some-odd votes and hopefully over time, will succeed, 201, 202 have just as much power as they, do and.it is a small group and work across the area and find areas that we can compromise with the democrats, positions on committees, and motions to reco

i do think whoever -- if it's not kevin mccarthy, whoever emerges next has to come after kevin mccarthy makes a decision he can no longer do this. it seems like that could be awhile. but steve scalise is high on that list if he comes to that realization. >> could you see kevin mccarthy coming to the decision after several roll calls that it's not going to work and he has to back someone else or take himself out? >> anything is possible. i just think it's too early to speculate. one interesting things about where we are is that in buy goner ra, there would have been replacementes floating themselves, viable replace thes. it used to be the competition for leadership was fierce and intense and you could tick off a dozen or so members that wanted it at the very at least, that were theoretically capable of doing the job. in the era we're in, it's much more pleasing to go on social media or cable news and agitate and not put yourself in a position where tough govern and compromise. so i think at least for the time being, this is all kevin mccarthy's to give away. at the appointment in which h

so, kevin mccarthy had an opportunity january 2nd. i brought some of these never kevin voters.ee of us that we're in a room. and one of whom worked very very hard to make sure we are all to get people to get to this place where kevin can get the gavel on the very first ballot. and then kevin laughed us out of the room, and then lied about the negotiations that were taking place. so here we are. we are 20 strong against kevin mccarthy. and as the constitution reads, he does not have 218, so he is not speaker. >> but most republicans are with him. i mean, half the freedom caucus is. it wasn't like he came out of nowhere. he got the nomination from republicans resoundingly in november. why wouldn't you take the route of say, marjorie taylor greene, who shares much of your ideology, take the win, get practical, get yourself on a bunch of committees, and actually do something to set policy? >> we are absolutely in the works of doing something to set policy. >> how? >> we want a secure border. we're working with people who will come together and accept this rules package. kevin mccar

>> i would find it very tough for kevin to do that. i feel sorry, kevin is my friend. i have known kevin a long time. this is heart breaking to watch. this is something in the process if you're honest about assessment of republican congress last 10 years, this was something bound to happen, this was a wreck bound to happen. for kevin having to do this, leader, raising money, do everything, to drop back i don't see it this time. he did it once. i don't see it again. like deciding going head coach of football team to be put in charge of the equipment. that is very hard to do. neil: you know, can everyone make up after all of this and get along? we've seen divisive intra-party squabbles in the past. i don't know, how this ranks, too early to tell, you have a lot of raw nerves, a lot of anger. to your point, as you said they have to get stuff done, how do you see all of this working out? >> 80% of stuff no problem. 80% of the stuff members don't pay attention, normal bills, real process. where this will come back, especially two weeks, committee assignments next week or tw

kevin mccarthy is a strong conservative. he is proudly pro-life, a supporter of our second amendment rights, and he's committed to stopping wasteful government spending and shrinking the size of government. when republicans last held the majority, kevin helped to reduce domestic spending and lower the tax burden on hardworking american families. and as our republican leader over the past several years, kevin has taken the fight to one-party democrat rule on behalf of the american people. he helped bring this historic border crisis to the national consciousness, a crisis kevin made sure democrats could no longer ignore. he fought for and succeeded in repealing the ill-advised military covid vaccine mandate and he stood on this very floor and spoke for a record eight hours and 35 minutes to not only delay the vote in the house but to make the case that ultimately defeated joe biden and house democrats' dangerous built back broke legislation. no one, no one in this body has worked harder for this republican majority than kevin

well, then kevin mccarthy will be sworn i kevin mccarthy will be sworn in. adopted for this new session of congress. and things will be set about —— rolls. the wheels will turn in the way they should have, starting four days ago. we haven't seen such a battle to secure a speaker since the 18005, secure a speaker since the 1800s, just around the time of slavery. in the debate surrounding that. and this really has been completely unprecedented. it has weakened mr mccarthy, of course, as well, who i mentioned concessions, he has had to yield a lot to this 20 or so stronger block of donald trump supporters. these are far—right conservatives who did not want to see kevin mccarthy get the speakership. they see him as being too mainstream, he is too aligned with the old style of republicanism which they believe that they voted in, were voted into upturn. indie believe that they voted in, were voted into upturn. we can see now pictures _ were voted into upturn. we can see now pictures are _ were voted into upturn. we can see now pictures are mccarthyl see now pictur

he's never going to be for kevin mccarthy.ike manu noted it's very important today to watch whether or not kevin mccarthy loses additional vote, whether he's able to even peel off one of those hard-liners in his direction. if he can't, there's a real risk that he begins to start to lose even the support of allies. jake. >> yeah, you're seeing some of the hell no caucus on the floor of the congress right there. lauren boebert and matt gaetz. people who say they will never vote for kevin mccarthy. i love these free-wheeling c-span cameras. until legislation business begins they control the camera, the government does not. let's go to melanie have sonia. the house remains paralyzed and dysfunction has real ramifications on u.s. national security. how so? >> jake, top republicans are raising concerns if there is a national security risk until the house elects a speaker. remember, the house cannot conduct any other legislative business, any business at all until they elect a speaker so they can't legislate. they can't investigate a

it looks like kevin mccarthy will be the next speaker.t for more budget reforms. as you heard the congressman talking about, we have to get back to a balanced budget. i believe and i think that conservatives that revolted against mccarthy at least temporarily are saying we can't have business as usual on capitol hill. this isn't working. they have succeeded, neil. there's new measures in the new agreement that are going to make it easier for republicans to move forward with a balanced budget plan in seven or eight years because let's face it, neil, we can't go on as a nation borrowing $1 to 2 trillion a year. that will bankrupt the country. >> neil: nice tie, steve. this is a little too blue that i have on. meantime, we told you about how wall street reacts to this craziness, etch what's going on on the hill. tomorrow on or cavuto live show, bernie marcus is dropping by. he helped start home depot. he's been worried about the dysfunction. we'll have special guests and those that put it together for you. live tomorrow, 10:00 a.m. eastern t

kevin mccarthy needs every vote. he cannot criticize and has not criticized george santos, the republican elected from long island who fabricated his resume. he is under investigation from different officials. i think we are seeing him on the floor right now as we speak. the fact is that he is now -- they have reopened the investigation into his behavior in brazil. there's an early federal investigation of him. he is standing behind dan crenshaw. earlier today we saw him -- we will roll the tape in a bit. we saw him trying to find his way amidst a crush of reporters and cameras, not being able to find his office. no one could be less qualified to be sworn in potentially, as soon as there's a speaker. he will be because kevin mccarthy can't criticize him. >> it's a quirk. he will be voting for who the next speaker is before he actually gets sworn in. it's the first thing that congress does. they can't -- they don't have rules in place for how the house operates. george santos will have a vote because he is qualified u

they do not like kevin mccarthy.sounds like kevin mccarthy might be very willing to make 17 individual concessions to get these 17 people on board. fair? >> reporter: it might be what they have to do. 17 individual concessions, but maybe it's like ten real concessions and smaller ones to get people to vote present. again, each of these people have different things that they want. what chip roy wants is tons of procedural changes to the rules. what byron donald wants is different. yesterday, he was the last person to change his vote to make him the last person on this full screen of 20 people. he was just saying, it's clear there's no consensus here and you're not going to wear us down. because that was the mccarthy strategy yesterday. just keep doing the votes and eventually the magic of being on the floor will make it that these members have to vote. they did vote and it wasn't the way that mccarthy wanted them to. but for donald, his calculus is different than chip roy. certainly different than scott perry, differe

it is what is kevin willing to give up.ecause i think what we're seeing in some of these, we don't even know what a lot of these rule changes are, but for instance, one person to vacate the chair, it's going to create chaos, as we've been talking about. here is the thing. when you talk about the five or six that are never kevins, what's their motivation? so of the 21 that are voting against kevin, a significant number of those, they really believe -- i would disagree with it, but they believe this is way to get to whatever their end goal is. there are a number of people, particularly these five or six that enjoy being in this position. they relish being the one standing up, being the ones kind of throwing a wrench in this. and that's what i think the concern. if they end up being only five, that's probably for them even a better situation, because they can get more attention. look at matt gaetz, nominating donald trump. and i think i know some of those folks. and i can tell you, they enjoyed being the five and the six peopl

they're waiting for kevin to cave. you know the american people are certainly frustrated. >> sean: i'm trusted with you not answering a direct question. you said to president trump, you said ear leaver today that -- >> kevin mccarthy does haven't the votes. we need a candidate to elect as speaker of the house. >> sean: can i finish. you don't have the votes. it's time to withdraw. he has 203. your side has 206789 why is it time for him to withdraw and not you? >> he needs 218. he doesn't have 218. >> sean: either do you. >> we have tried to work it out in private for months. kevin mccarthy didn't want to listen to us until his disa pointing midterms this. isn't chaos. it's a functioning constitutional republic. when everything is said and done house republicans will be stronger and better to lead than ever before. i believe our founding fathers intended. this shows our votes are working. >> sean: congress woman i ask you not to filibuster. yesterday you voted for jim jordan. today byron donald. tomorrow i don't know wh

kevins.ations to the new speaker of the house, i didn't think he could get to 218 votes, he did it. get the 2:16 but he got enough to be speaker and we all watched out how this played out which was kevin mccarthy completely out ruled by 21 members of the house and i would suggest the other people that got ruled by this 21 where the 200 colleagues who have had to give up stuff because kevin did their dealing for them. if matt gates gets gavel, he takes it from somebody. if for members of the caucus going the rules committee, that's four and less slots for the other 200 that sat silently with kevin. what you saw him do though was beat kevin mccarthy which is all things to all people. can he maintain that is the big question tonight. i can tell you what i'm watching for, ayman, in this. there is no way that the debt ceiling will be raised without cooperating with the democrats. democrats in the house simply because the republican majority is too thin, but also democrats in the senate and the bid

but you have members who no's against kevin. they need to have meetings with him and hammer this stuff out. i don't know if that's happened, but from what i'm hearing, that's farther apart than it needs to be. >> so why does donalds have 20 votes? are we getting to the point where republicans might just throw out names and see what sticks? how do you see this right now? >> right now, it appears the only names we'll see thrown out there is a fifth vote that this group of 20 may vote for somebody else. then if there's a sixth vote, somebody else after that. we'll see the name changes at least in the short-term. obviously, this is a very difficult situation for healthcare car thi and his team. what we're seeing here is essentially it you go back to the 2016 primaries, where there was a consensus among the candidates still in there, that somebody had to drop out or trump would be the nominee. the answer is you should drop out. what we're seeing is republicans defactions are playing a game of chicken. moderates are flexing their musc

so now what does kevin mccarthy do. they have tried the trump card just mentioned a moment ago, that has not worked to get him the support that he needs. so he's in a very tough spot right now, and they are going to have to make some decisions. when you think about the things he has wanted to put through, one of them was removing metal detectors from entrance to the house of representatives, that has already happened, sort of a symbolic thing, a sign of change from what nancy pelosi's leadership showed. dig down into some other policies like not having 87,000 new irs agents as one of the things they are pushing for, domestic energy regulations loosened up to start to regain our independence in the energy field. all of these things that really matter to voters, really matter to people across the country during all of this campaigning that they want to start to see enacted. and you see the frustration on the editorial pages at the "wall street journal," "washington post," and people are wondering what the heck is going on

kevin mccarthy has proved that he can get things done. he has proven that he is willing to stand up in the face of critics. and not only prove them wrong, but work with them. the only thing sovereign in this republic are its people and they have deemed it right to place a check on the biden administration and put our party, the republican party, in control of this chamber. now is the time that we take control. i understand a lock of trust amongst some of our colleagues. i do. [ gavel ]. >> will the house be in order. >> i understand a lack of trust among some of our colleagues. but what i am asking, what am i asking is that we all trust the american people who sent our colleagues here. this house is the only part of the federal government that stands for election every two years. therefore, this chamber is an instrument of the people's will. and the people have overwhelmingly voted for kevin mccarthy. [ applause ] >> if we continue down this road, if we continue with the actions of yesterday and today, we stifle the will of the american p

that's a real thing for kevin mccarthy. and i think that the fact he had to go there is something that he probably needed to figure out about what it would take to -- to wrangle, you know, with a four-seat majority. and he needed to go through this process, too, and now he'll see whether the speakership if he gets it is worth all the effort that he put into it. >> dana bash, another thing matt gaetz said -- i've never quoted matt gaetz so many times in my life. >> seriously, he's getting a lot of airtime. exactly what he wanted. >> sure, of course. but another thing he said was that the chair of the house freedom caucus, this group of conservatives some of whom have been with mccarthy but a lot of them haven't as well will have power than the speaker of the house. and he's right in some ways. >> yeah, but you know what they kind of did during paul eyeren, they kind of did during john boehner which is why john boehner said i'm out of here, which is why paul ryan said i'm out of here. and, you know, we talk about the freedom

i think trump talks to kevin.appen at some point anyway, but on the floor who has that concerned of push to get him to stand down? i don't think it's a scalise or anybody like that. i think it has to be a trump. >>> i'm going to be back in a few hours at 8:00 p.m. eastern for more of cnn's special coverage of this dysfunctional, historic fight for house speaker. the folks here will keep going. our special coverage begins with one mr. wolf blitzer and one mess aaron -- ms. erin burnett. i'll be back in a few hours. well, we fell in love through gaming. but now the internet lags and it throws the whole thing off. when did you first discover this lag? i signed us up for t-mobile home internet. ugh! but, we found other interests. i guess we have. [both] finch! let's go! oh yeah! it's not the same. what could you do to solve the problem? we could get xfinity? that's actually super adult of you to suggest. i can't wait to squad up. i love it when you talk nerdy to me. guy, guys, guys, we're still in session. and i don't

mccarthy, 5 others have voted for kevin mccarthy. whether it is a result of the negotiations that went late into the night between the two bickering sides we don't know. what we do know is going into this we had 432 members, democrats and republicans, who were going to decide this account. count. we need 15%, if it was the 432 figure i mentioned, you would need 216 votes. six others saying they have not voted, doesn't mean it is not won. i'm going by the older map but would still say technically at this point he has not closed the deal. but one thing is clear, this process, by 270 into this, right now, more than halfway through. only six going against kevin mccarthy. something has moved here. whether this could conceivably represent the actual vote that puts kevin mccarthy over the top, at the very least it would show momentum. if there's a follow-up it is the momentum colleagues will respond to. you break the ice or break a moment where everyone was stiffly in their own columns, they start moving. this movement appears to have begun

eric kanter, evan kevin mccarthy, paul ryan.e young guns. >> well, they were supposed to lead the republican party to greatness. unfortunately, the curse of the young guns has claimed a third victim. eric kanter, once the house majority leader, was primaried from the right in 2014 and booted from congress unceremoniously. paul ryan quit under two nightmarish terms as speaker trying to manage the ultra maga republicans. and today, many of those same ultra maga's are trying to stick a fork in the last young gun stand, and kevin mccarthy. how did this happen to the three men once touted as the future of the republican party? with me now is matt fuller and jen psaki. matt, let me start with you. you cover the house of congress, and including the republican congress for years, and know these people -- and you know -- i was just thinking, all day, what is matt fuller making of all this -- who has watched this -- and it feels like this was the moment it was all headed towards. like it was feted -- why did today happen? >> yeah. the you