elizabeth: well, look who's here, former deputy assistant attorney general tom dupree. s ab active, quote, ongoing investigation into bribery allegations against joe and hunter biden, what did you think? >> well, at first i was pleasantly surprised that this investigation is continuing. i think we had seen a lot of evidence, and when the charges against hunter biden were announced, a lot of us said, well, is that the end of it, is there more to come in it was good in that respect. but my concern is he's using that ongoing investigation now as an opportunity to decline to answer questions from the senate and from people in congress who are trying to exercise their oversight function. the letter that he sent to lindsey graham, in my opinion, really raised more questions than it answered, and i suspect we haven't heard the end of this. elizabeth: don't you feel like there should be full vetting and full disclosure with hearings? senator chuck grassley is saying perkily hundreds of doj -- potentially hundreds of doj and fbi officials knew about these bribery allegations. the

too bad tom dupree, thank you very much.e reading them. i'm david asman, and for elizabeth macdonald, time for the bottom line with dagen sean. >> thank you so much, david. ♪

. >>> joining us now, tom dupree. so tom, according to the "wall street journal," the target letter cites three statutes, deprivation of rights, conspiracy to commit an offense against the united states and tampering with a witness. first of all, you could explain the deprivation of rights charge? >> sure. that is a federal criminal at theu -- criminal statute that anyone under collar of law, means that they imbued with official action deprived someone of their constitutional rights. my best guess is what the special counsel is getting at, that right that was deprived is the right to vote. that is my best guess as to where the special counsel is going with this. president trump used his official authority to deprive americans of their constitutional right to vote. >> and what kind of punishment do these charges carry? are we talking fines or jail time? >> we're potentially talking jail time. the charges carry a range of penalties that range from what we're hearing about three years to ten or 20 years. keep in mind thes

. >>> let's expand the conversation with former deputy assistant general tom dupree, thank you for beingh us this afternoon. we know from our reporting that donald trump's legal team is trying to figure out if jack smith has witnesses or evidence they are not familiar with, they're not aware of. how critical is it to get a head start on this as an indictment can come down at any moment? >> i think it would be helpful preparing your defense to know what cards the special counsel has to play. i think they have a good sense between information leaked in the public domain, i'm sure trump's lawyers have been talking with witnesses because it's acceptable to ask other witnesses who have testified before the grand jury what they spoke about. so i think they have a fairly good sense of the cards the special counsel has to play. that said, i'm confident if and when an indictment drops it will contain new information we have not seen before. call in the mar-a-lago indictment, the special counsel filed a speaking indictment, which is rich in detail, a lot of evidence, photographs that told the stor

>>> let's expand the conversation on these investigations with tom dupree, he served as the principaly assistant attorney general under president george w. bush. tom, welcome. we're grateful to have your perspective on with us. we know this is not the only phone call that donald trump made to a state official after the 2020 election trying to find election fraud somewhere -- the other one obviously the recording of him speaking to brad raffensperger, the secretary of state in georgia, looking for 11,000, some odd votes. but do these calls amount to a considerable offense? -- criminal offense? in your perspective, is this a crime? >> well, it would be a crime if the president knew at the time that these votes didn't exist. so that when he raffensperger to find him the votes he wasn't simply saying i want you to make sure there was no evidence of fraud, i want to make sure this was a fair election and that ever vote was counted. he was asking the to say is manufacture votes, to find votes that don't exist. i think the special counsel will find it easier to prove fraud in connection with

karen magna flow, tom dupree, thank you both so much. what do you get when you invite a full-fledged conspiracy theorist, and presidential candidate, to testify on capitol hill? >> i have never been anti-vax. you are slandering may, congressman what you are saying is a lie. >> robert f. kennedy, on capitol hill. a wild hearing on free speech. are republicans regretting that invite? we'll talk about it next. now... ...and now too. get healthier, smoother feeling skin all day. ♪ don't let student loan debt hold you back. refi at sofi.com. you could save thousands and get to your goals faster. sofi. get your money right. why didn't we do this last year? before you were preventing migraine with qulipta®? remember the pain? cancelled plans? the worry? that was then. and look at me now. you'll never truly forget migraine. but qulipta® reduces attacks, making zero-migraine days possible. it's the only pill of its kind that blocks cgrp - and is approved to prevent migraine of any frequency. to help give you that forget-you-get migraine feeling.

joining me now on the legal ramifications, tom dupree. thanks for joining us, tom. biden came out and he promised there would be alternative measures or ways to get around it. it's so interesting to me. they never talk about it in term of legality. you just heard the clip. it's an investment. it's for working class. they use the key sound bites. are we making a mockery of the three-tiered government? >> if they would let more time go by, more than just days after the supreme court invalidates their plan, they're back with plan b. their attitude is it may or may not be legal but we're going to try to let the courts shooting this undo they'll have difficulty doing this in court. the supreme court's reasoning is that congress had to authorize the administration to enact a loan forgiveness program of this magn magnitude. even though whatter with seeing now, it could cost almost as if if not more than the original program would have. >> charles: i'm reading here from miguel cardona from the department of education. for far too long, borrowers fell through the cracks of a

and joining me is tom dupree, thank you for being here.get to the democrats to pack the court and other things, the social media decision by a lower court, a federal judge, do you think it makes it to the supreme court? could it be as explosive as the other supreme court decisions? >> well, if it does make it to the supreme court, david, i agree it will be as explosive as the other social media decisions we've seen lately. they have a ways to go before they get there. the first stop will be the united states court of appeals for the 5th circuit, which is the appeal court which oversees the trial judge in louisiana with this ruling. it's more than 100 pages and the judge dew points the evidence that he found that underlies his corns that the biden administration overstepped bounds to try and police and enforce the content that social media content allowed to be shared and posted. david: the white house wants to stop the injunction from them speaking to social media companies. do you think they'll be successful in doing that before it reache

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i want to go to tom dupree, nicole parker, former special fbi agent. tom, the judge said whatever you have that has not been fully shared, you have to start again. does that mean that some of these other issues that have come up like the foreign agents restoration act, whether he violated that and all the communication with foreign governments and all of that, that that now -- you can't exonerate yourself from anything that could come up on that matter? or where does it go? >> that's right. it seems like what the judge was saying is she had serious concerns that the deal that the justice department was offering would basically immunize hunter biden from my future prosecutions under fara or any statutes that might concern the conduct -- his business conduct that he's been engaged in. what is striking to me, the judge asked the justice department lawyers is there any precedent for this deal. the justice department lawyers said no, your honor, there isn't. to me, that really just punctures a hole in the just it's the department's argument that hunter biden

let's welcome to the show tom dupree and sam dewey. good to see to you, gentlemen. t to you, tom. irs whistleblowers, they look stunned. democrats kept trying to bring up trump. the whistleblowers testified they never saw such political interference in all their years at the irs, tom. >> liz, this is absolutely mesmerizing testimony to the, and i'm sure anyone who is watching it couldn't help but rifted. this kind of confirms what a lot of us suspected and were worried was going on behind the scenes. this investigation drugged -- dragged on for years, and to hear it personally from someone who was leading the investigation and said time and again he was blocked, he was stymied, prevented from pursuing the truth, that serious charges were downgraded to more moderate charges, it's so disheartening. and and the fact that this guy is a democrat makes his testimony all the more compelling. elizabeth: joe ziegler testified, a doj political appointee said you can't interview joe biden's grandchildren, until get us into hot water. that they had proof that hunter biden evaded

joining us is tom dupree and abby phillips as well as caitlin collins. caitlin, listening to desantis when i pushed him on the investigations into trump . >> jack smith has prosecuted democrats. he was part of the prosecution of senator menendez, senator john edwards. are you saying that if he finds evidence of criminality he should not charge donald trump? >> what i am saying is when you are going after somebody on the other side of the political spectrum, if you are stressing statutes to try to criminalize or maybe politicized lyrical disagreements, that is wrong. i think we have gone down the road in this country of trying to criminalize differences of politics rather than saying you don't like somebody? defeat them in the election rather than trying to use the justice system. we do not know what will happen. i can tell you with the bragg one that was stretching criminal law. the evidence was weak and even if it existed, other people would not have been charged under those circumstances and that is the problem. >> let me just repeat what he said. i sa

. >> tomorrow is taken from tom dupree shortly after midnight monday shot and killed in his car justlocks away from the u.s. capitol building. you can hear the words exchanged between the four young mail suspects as they fled. >> he was reaching for a quick's the him talking about was a legend of a man raised near the airfield it started assisting u.s. troops at the age of 10. later he officially served for a decade as an interpreter for the u.s. military. he was forced to flee the taliban after the u.s. chaotic 2021 withdrawal from afgha afghanistan. special forces veteran matthew beutler probably served. >> the time i met him in 2009 these stories were still almost like a folklorist so to speak of this kid that sort of wasn't raised by green berets projects but go fund me benefiting the family was set up two days ago by midday today if it already raised over 300 30,000 dollars. while no arrests have been made police say they are making progress on the case. 25000-dollar reward for information is being offered. support thank you. the goal for me page support family of murdered afgha

alyssa farrah griffin and tom dupree and bakari sellers. so i'm curious to get your response to the new reporting because you worked in the white house around this time. did you notice a shift in the former president's attitude from praising election security to all of a sudden doubting it just a few weeks later? >> this was remarkable to hear because i'm familiar with that meeting and i know there were others where former chris krebs have briefed how secure american elections were an the many steps taken to put us in a place where we could trust the institution of elections. but it was about i would say about april or may of 2020, the height of covid and also the former president's poll numbers began to plummet, that he started raising doubts about mail-in voting. and i actually remember being in an oval office meeting about that time where the campaign called the president and i was sitting there and he -- they basically said stop casting doubt on mail-in voting. you're going to -- so i don't try to get into the mind of donald trump but i

let's discuss with former deputy attorney general, tom dupree, and former chief assistant to the manhattanis being asked about what his attorney, sam woodward, who i should say is also representing other people in trump's orbit, said impeded on executive privilege. what does that signal to you? >> the executive privilege is a privilege that means the executive branch can't share information. doesn't have to share information with the other two branches. legislative branch or judicial branch. and it is interesting because jack smith is part of the department of justice. is within the executive branch. and the current president holds. it so joe biden. and he has said that there is a no executive privilege issue here. so bringing this, this is an argument that trump and his world has brought up many times. it doesn't hold, it doesn't take. what a tough means a jack smith wants to know what was trump saying. >> he will spark stage the morning of january 6th. you could see him here. he's obviously, to trump's right. he has gone before the grand jury three times now. what would warrant three app