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charlie sykes is here to discuss what it means. and downgrade. why the political instability magnified by january 6th helped trigger a u.s. credit downgrade and what that could mean for you. i am jonathan capehart. this is the saturday show. >> this morning, and donald trump. the twice impeached former president of the united states remains out on bond after his arraignment thursday for his alleged efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election. the twice impeached former president already hit with two other criminal indictments, pleading not guilty. when it comes to the second federal indictment, trump refuses to remain silent. in a social media post yesterday trump threatened, in all caps, if you go after me, i'm coming after you. which got a response from the special counsel's office. overnight, attorneys asked the federal judge overseeing the case to issue a protective order on trump and his legal team to limit the information they can share publicly about the case. all of this comes as trump faces a trial on four felony counts laid out i

bank is for. >>> we are back with andrew weissman and charlie sykes. nses should this arrive at the supreme court that there would be no conviction for his conduct i'm thinking of the proposal to push this trial up to to 246 and all of the plates pushing against each other, the speedy trial, adjudicating the alleged crimes ahead of the election and there couldn't be any more pressure, couldn't be any more tension between these two forces. what do you make of charlie's argument that if trump isn't accused of these crimes it may not prevail in front of the supreme court? >> well, it might even go further which is he's not accused of it and he is not convicted of it, just being accused may not carry the day. that's just -- you know, that's an accusation remaining to the proved. all of this is uncharted territory. the argument that judge luttig and larry tribe and other conservative scholars have made is that you have to separate what might happen in a criminal case which has to do with whether someone goes to jail, that's one thing, and the provision in th

my former party, i will say, charlie sykes, for me, this is feeling a lot like june of 1974 leading up to nixon's resignation in august, trump will not back out, but i tell the story repeatedly of my father, what i'm trying to get my arms around this, i remember my dad staying with nixon until the very end and then reading the transcripts of the tapes and saying, that guy is unworthy to be president. you look at these numbers. i mean, 64% of americans saying they're not going to support trump, his approval rating at 33%, 54% saying he threatened democracy itself. 18% saying maybe he strengthened it. his unfavorable views exploding in -- you know, continuing to go up, and then you look at these actions, classified documents, majority say what he did was illegal, and georgia election interference, 51% say it was illegal, 13% say unethical. only 15%, only 15% of americans, let's underline this, agree with donald trump that he did nothing wrong. only 15% of americans agree with donald trump that he did nothing wrong in the classified documents case. only 14% of americans say he did nothing

joining us now founder of the conservative website the bulwark, our friend charlie sykes. at to see you. we just mentioned officer dunn called this indictment a mile marker in the road to justice, to holding donald trump accountable. tell us if you agree and what is so significant about this particular indictment. >> well, first of all, i mean these officers are great americans and great american heroes. and i'm glad they were there. in fact, i woke up this morning "way too early" thinking about this. after several years of dealing with donald trump and the fire hose of news and one outrage after another, you know, we do need to take a pause and realize what happened yesterday, the former president of the united states was in a federal courtroom. he was arrested, booked. he had to make a plea. he is -- he's not personal recognizance mail. this is a historic moment not just in the trump years, and it is this extraordinary moment where he's now facing felony charges from a government he used to run. i don't think it's possible to overstate the significance of this. this is th

joining us now, founder of the conservative website, the bulwark, our dear friend charlie sykes. because i know you're not. instead, i'm just going to say, i'm just going to tee you up and say that this is now, of course, the third indictment, which most observers say is the most serious, the one about trying to subvert our very democracy. and it had zero effect on what republican voters think about donald trump. >> it does feel like polling groundhog day, doesn't it? by the way, it's not going to change after the fourth indictment. look, i think the republican field has been deep inside the magical thinking that something, something, something unicorn would happen, and donald trump would go away. they did not need to go at him. they didn't need to run negative ads. they didn't even need, until yesterday, to make it clear that he'd lost the 2020 election. look, that poll tells us really what seven years of the trumpification of the republican party has led to. i think it's unambiguous that, right now, the strategy of all of the rest of the field has not been ssuccessful. if repub

we're also joined by charlie sykes, editor at large from the bulwark and an msnbc columnist. poll is a result of a new partnership with ann seltzer. this is the gold standard. what does it tell us. >> it's a great partnership. this is the iowa poll that everyone in politics has been waiting for, the first read from ann seltzer, "the des moines register," nbc news sponsoring this poll. trump with a better than 2-1 advantage over his rival, ron desantis. nobody else in double digits yet. tim scott at 9. a scattering for the rest of them. this poll was conducted a week ago as that indictment of donald trump in georgia was playing out. basically part of the poll was conducted before the news of that indictment, and in that portion of the poll, trump's lead over desantis was 18. and then part of this poll was conducted after the indictment, when that news had broken, and in that portion of the poll when it was conducted, trump's lead swelled to 25 points. a little bit of evidence there of a rally around trump effect among republicans when you get these indictments, these various l

joining me now is charlie sykes, msnbc contributor at editor at large of the bulwark.r evaluation, desantis' strategy is now defend trump. >> real man of political genius. you're running against a guy who has just been indicted for the fourth time, facing 90 criminal felony charges and you're behind 39 points in the polls. you need a breakout if you're going to win the nomination, and what do they come up with? defend donald trump and attack vivek. i mean, i don't know whether this is a slow rolling surrender on ron desantis' part or whether he's just sort of trapped in his loop of knowing he has to keep pandering to what he thinks the base wants. he's got this memo, you attack the media, attack joe biden. you spend like two seconds talking about your vision for the future. and then you defend donald trump against chris christie's attacks because that will accomplish what? it is interesting hearing the reaction among even some of his fans who are going, you know, why are you wasting our time and our money? if that is your big strategy to beat donald trump, is to go out

and charlie sykes is here, editor at large for the -- and lucky, austin is a messy contributor and columnistt's just talk probability and statistics here. okay, everything about this is unprecedented. what happens if donald trump is convicted of one or more of these charges after he gets the nomination? if you are the republican party, how do you think this is a safe or responsible move to make? >> well it's obviously not. neither safe nor responsible. i think the odds are quite high that he shows up in my town of waukee to accept the rookie nomination wearing an ankle bracelets. and obviously the new york times story is correct, if you look at the calendar it's very likely that if he wins in iowa and wins in new hampshire and then runs the table on super tuesday, it will all be over before there is a single guilty verdict. but there is no reason to believe that the republicans would not nominate him even if they knew he was a felon. because they basically baked that into the cake. so it is unprecedented, is extraordinary, and i think we need to maintain our capacity to realize just how extr

with me now to discuss, charlie sykes, msnbc columnist and editor at large of the bulwark, and jason state university. gentlemen, what is your reaction, charlie, to you first. >> it's a very impressive indictment. it's impressive for its clarity and its breads. it tells a very compelling story. i was thinking about, before we came on, just in terms of the politics, and i guess the default setting is to assume that nothing matters. but it's hard to imagine that something this graphic and detailed lays out the lies, the fraud, the conspiracies, the obstruction, the attempts to overthrow the democratic process that don't trump in gauged in, is going to be a political asset for donald trump in 2024. republicans are desperate to talk about inflation, the border, crime, hunter biden, but the reality is is that if this goes to trial this is going to suck up all the oxygen. we're going to be talking about january 6th, we're gonna be talking about the insurrection, we're gonna be talking about sedition. and the american people are going to see the pictures of that attack on the capital over an

we also pulled over founder of the conservative website, the bulwark, charlie psyc sykes froy too early". >> i want to talk to charlie, but, ken, we have a confused judge this morning. confused two grand juries could be going at the same time. baffling decisions coming out of a judge who has already been excoriated by the 11th circuit in previous cases for being out of her depth. can you explain what happened with those fort pierce filings? >> well, in her latest order, judge cannon is essentially -- first of all, she granted the government's request to have a hearing on whether walt nauta's lawyer, stanley woodoodward, ha conflict of interest that needs to be explored, because he is representing walt nauta and other witnesses in the case that he may have to cross-examine. she denied the special counsel's effort to file part of something under seal, saying he didn't justify that. then she questioned why he was using two grand juries to continue to investigate whether there had been obstruction of justice in this case. now, you know, there are some rules about continuing to investigate a

joining us now, ali vitali and charlie sykes.he tweeted a picture sitting with mitch i look forward to working with him on issues confronting our bordering states. republicans circling the wagons. what's the level of concern about his health? >> reporter: you have to imagine that it's high, andrea, especially the fact that this is not the first time we have seen the leader in this position. before the senate went on the august recess, we saw the top republican freeze in similar fashion before reporters. he ultimately was able to come back and continue with a q&a. the explanation from aides was similar to what we are getting now, which is that -- the first time this happened, he felt a moment of dizziness. they say it was a moment of light-headedness. similar to what we heard yesterday, that would he would consult a physician. that's what they told us the last time. there have been few details from the leader himself when he has been asked about this by the press corps and also from his staff about what is going on with his health

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and charlie sykes, thank you as well. and still ahead on morning joe, house speaker, kevin mccarthy, falsely compares donald trump stolen election claims. to actions taken by ellery clinton, and al gore. after they lost their own presidential case. >> why do they lie through their teeth, when they know there is video to show their lying? >> because they have platforms that they can go on, where nobody holds them accountable. that's why. >> they let them lie? >> yes, they let them life. they don't have any questions. they can specialize as long as they want to millions of people. they have a platform to do it. >> and they'll play a video game that shows that they lived through their teeth? >> now, they're not held accountable. that's where we're at. district attorney, funny, willis weighs in on the status of her years long investigation into election interference in georgia. what she is saying about any possible impact from the special counsel's probe. also ahead, as former president trump was in court, president biden was

plus charlie sykes is still here.ics podcast and "vanity fair" spreshl correspondent molly is here. and veterans of america and host of the independent americans podcast paul reickhoff is here. renel, let's take this sort of piece by piece. rudy giuliani feels like is in the same place fox arrived at with dominion where the facts are not in dispute. a jury is just going to have to decide what the appropriate damages or punishment is. is that right? >> you're right that this case is one and in fact was among the first of the suits filed trying to take advantage of defamation law as a tool for combatting 2020 election disinformation. it means that it's been in the court for a long while, which is part of the source of the judge's frustration here. the plaintiffs in these cases have been arguing not just that these knowing lies damaged democracy as a whole, but also that they caused targeted specific damage to them, that they turned their lives upside down and were the source of pretty significant harassment both online

along with jonathan lemire and joe and me, we have elysor dan, and also charlie sykes and also chuck rosenberg. and as we were just mentioning, as he awaits possible charges in georgia, which could happen this week, trump is already testing the limits of a new protective order put in place in the federal election interference case against him. this is the one of course playing out in washington, d.c. now, in court on friday, judge tanya chutkan ruled that going forward trump's lawyers must review any notes he takes while looking at sensitive materials to make sure that he is not copying down personal information about witnesses. she also prohibited him from having a phone out while reviewing those materials for the same reason. prosecutors requested the order after trump started attacking potential witnesses, special counsel jack smith and even the judge herself on social media. friday judge chutkan warned that while he has a first amendment right to free speech, that right is not absolute. shed a the more a party makes inflammatory statements, greater you are against city that we pr

founder of the conservative website, the bulwark, charlie sykes is with us. attorney and contributing columnist at "the washington post," george conway is with us. and there's a lot of reasons why george is here today. former president trump is set to surrender to authorities at the fulton county jail tonight. trump will travel to georgia later today and will reportedly wait until primetime tv hours to officially turn himself in. here's a look at his co-conspirators who have already been booked. we have rudy giuliani, kenneth cheese borrow, sidney powell, jenna ellis. they all surrendered, and they have mug shots. it is quite something, that this so-called enterprise is beginning to turn itself in, joe. >> yeah. >> some of them in these mug shots, they did not seem to be taking the moment quite seriously. it is a very serious moment. >> well, they all understand, as we look at these mug shots, they all understand it is a very serious moment. george, let me go to you. i think you probably like me, unlike what rudy giuliani did, unlike people watching, look wha

and founder of the conservative website the bulwark, charlie sykes. ken, you were at the courthouse in an adjoining overflow room. tell us what took place inside the courtroom and the relationship 20 feet or so apart between jack smith and donald trump in that room. >> good morning, willie. yeah, that was my one advantage from watching on video in the media overflow room, is that i could see jack smith's face. the reporters in the courtroom were behind him. i watched jack smith, who was sitting behind his prosecution team in the first row as donald trump entered the courtroom. every other face turned to point toward the former president, of course, but jack smith did not. he stared straight ahead. he made a point of not looking at donald trump as he moved his way toward the defense table and sat down with his lawyers. i thought that was very interesting. because there was a lot of observations that smith seemed to stare down trump at the arraignment in miami. he, of course, looked at trump at other times in the proceeding when he was talking. just in

i'm sorry, nick and charlie sykes.gan is both conary in the coal mine and ground zero for this particular battle that we've seen play out in arizona and in pennsylvania, and in georgia to some degree. but in michigan, it has been a complete wipeout. the pro-trump election denying crowd runs the whole scene. >> yeah, i think when you look at state parties across the country, they have been overrun since the 2020 election with some right wing activists. but nowhere has it been more acute in michigan where they've kind of clung to this idea of election denialism so much so to their detriment. if there was mixed results in the 2022 midterms kind of across the country, say florida was possibly the red wave in 2022, michigan was the blue wave. this is a legitimate swing state where democrats took control of every statewide election, and they won back both chambers of the state legislature in a way they haven't had for over two decades. in the wake of that, the state party did an autopsy and they found themselves constantly c

joining me, jackie alemany, sam stein, and charlie sykes. all three are msnbc contributors. you. donald trump is on the attack. he is trying to convince his supporters he is being charged because of the gop frontrunner. what does trump using his legal troubles reveal about the current state of the republican party? >> nothing new. this is very much on brand for donald trump to portray himself as a victim and to use this in order to raise money. the reality is, he is asking the republicans to buy their ticket that will suck up a lot of time, a lot of money, and a lot of attention. a lot of republicans would love to run on the economy, on inflation, on crime, on the border, on hunter biden. what donald trump is making absolutely clear is that he is going to make the re-litigation of the 2020 campaign and the big lie central to his campaign. these trials will dominate the campaign. there's a rally around the flag issue. the question is whether any of the other republican candidates are able to point out, do you want to buy this? do you want to have 2024 take place frankly in a s

with me now to discuss charlie sykes, editor at large of the bulwark, and jason johnson, professor ofolitics. gentleman, what is your reaction? you heard from jack smith. >> well, it's a very impressive indictment. it's impressive for its clarity and for its breadth. it tells a very compelling story. i was thinking about before we came on just in terms of the politics and i guess the default is to assume nothing matters, but it's hard to imagine something this graphic and detailed lays out the lies, the fraud, the conspiracies, the obstruction, the attempts to overthrow the democratic process that donald trump ingamed in. it's going to be a political asset for donald trump in 2024. republicans are desperate to talk about inflation, the border, crime, hunter biden, but the reality is if this goes to trial, this is going to suck up all the oxygen, and we're going to be talking about january 6th. we're going to be talking about the insurrection. we're going to be talking about sedition. and the american people are going to see the pictures of that attack on the capitol over and over and

my thanks on this friday to the rev al sharpton, charlie sykes and jon hoil man.bate. rev will join his colleagues this sunday night at 8:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. up next for us the second hour of "deadline: white house." harry dunn will be our guest. you don't want to miss that. be t you don't want to miss that. . i needed more from my antidepressant. vraylar helped give it a lift. adding vraylar to an antidepressant... ...is clinically proven to help relieve overall depression symptoms... ...better than an antidepressant alone. and in vraylar clinical studies, most saw no substantial impact on weight. elderly dementia patients have increased risk of death or stroke. report unusual changes in behavior or suicidal thoughts. antidepressants can increase these in children and young adults. report fever, stiff muscles, or confusion, as these may be life-threatening, or uncontrolled muscle movements, which may be permanent. high blood sugar, which can lead to coma or death, weight gain, and high cholesterol may occur. movement dysfunction and restlessness

. >> i want to bring in blaine alexander and charlie sykes. lisa ruben is an msnbc legal analyst. there's a difference, lisa, between coordinating and communicating. what do you think is going on between jack smith and fani willis? >> i agree there's a difference between coordinating and communicating but in this case, i actually don't think either one is happening. i really do think that fani willis and the department of justice are pursuing their investigations on separate tracks. once either one of them or both indicts, do i think there will be some sort of communication? probably. i do think there will be communications between and among the various prosecutors here to try and determine a schedule. in particular, alvin bragg, manhattan d.a., last week said to a new york public radio show host that just because he was the first to charge doesn't necessarily mean he'll stand on ceremony and insist that his case be first to be tried. that's the order in which it is now. it sounds to me like he'd welcome a call from the department of justice or at least be open to it. my sense is

. >>> now we have garrett haake in milwaukee for all of the excitement joining us along with charlie sykesrrett, tell us the latest on governor doug burgum's condition with a leg injury. is he going to be able to stand and be in the debate tonight? >> reporter: we don't know. neither does his campaign. a source telling nbc news that the governor will do the walk through this afternoon. usually the last chance, sometimes first chance to get a lay of the land on the stage and then make a call about whether or not he can go through with the debate, which would require him to stand at a podium for two hours. they will try to make that decision this afternoon. his campaign trying to make a little light of the situation. they tweeted out a photo of a younger doug burgum playing basketball. this is not the first time he has had a basketball injury. it's the first time he has ended up in the e.r. from a pickup game. not being able to participate tonight would be a blow to this campaign, which has been trying to get attention, trying to get itself off the ground. had to use a creative way of gettin

editor at large for the bulwark charlie sykes. the president of the leadership conference on civil and human rights. and just to start off, you know, we are getting this document just a few minutes ago. we were expecting it to be on time. i guess courts operate that way. so we got it a little bit early. but right before it struck 5:00. i know we're still going through the document but i don't know if you've had a chance to kind of glance at the it and the conclusion, the summary of what the argument the trump team -- that trump's team is making here in terms of why they don't want this protective order. >> yeah. and look, i haven't been all the way through this document, as you point out, ayman. but what is clear is first of all they're conceding there can be a protective order. this is not a blanket response that says you can't stop him from talking at all about -- you know, so we agree that there can be some -- thank you. some protection. but at the same time they're arguing that it should be limited to what they're calling sens

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joining me is charlie sykes, editor at large of the bulwark, and steven hassan, founder of the freedom resource center, and author of "the cult of trump." i do want to start with you about this, because that poll, that response that trump is trusted as the source of true information more than conservative media, friends and family, and even religious leaders, is shocking but not vising to me. i wonder what you think of it. >> well, you know, the members are programmed to distrust mainstream media, so i'm not surprised at all about that. that those numbers, but from my point of view as a former cult member myself, who has been working for 47 years hoping people to get out of cults, i think we could change our messaging dramatically, and actually maybe get a third away from trump if we're smart with the messaging that we do. >> do tell. how? >> well, so the thing is, when you're dealing with an authoritarian pyramid structured cult that used deception and mind control, one has to assume that people had a life before they ever heard of trump. so the idea is to reconnect with who they were

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charlie sykes is here to discuss what it means. and downgrade.ical instability magnified by january 6th helped trigger a u.s. credit downgrade and what that could mean for you. i am jonathan capehart. this is the saturday show. >> this morning, and donald trump. the twice impeached former president of the united states remains out on bond after his arraignment

democracy and our news business, facts matter. >> bob woodward, joyce vance, paul schmitt, and charlie sykes newscasters that lied repeatedly about the big lie, and news network that had to pay a billion, and will have to pay another billion probably, and so facts do matter. the journey over the last few years, people lie repeatedly and never thought there was a consequence to it. we have seen time and again over the past six months the laws of gravity are returning to this society, to this republic, and this is just the latest and maybe the most dramatic of that. >>> still ahead on "morning joe," should president biden be speaking about president trump's indictment? we are going to ask jen psaki about that just ahead. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. [ tires screeching ] director: cut! jordana, easy on the gas. force of habit. i gotta wrap this commercial, i think i'm late on my payment. it's okay, the general gives you a break when you need it. yeah, we let you pick your own due date so you can pay your car insurance when it's best for you. well that's good to know, beca

charlie sykes. used to talk, let's win, let's look forward. we need you to help us. like, that was so rational. and republican. >> i didn't recognize it. >> well, georgia is kind of ground zero of the trump effect, they've lived through what happens when you allow trump to take precedent. they lost two senate seats on january 5th. failed to get it back again in a state where brian kemp wins easily for governor, they've seen this upclose and personal, they've also experienced the consequences of donald trump's lies, i do find it interesting how different the georgia republican party is from the arizona republican party, which has been taken over by the wingnuts, but brian kemp is basically saying, guys, we don't need to go down this particular path, georgia is always going to be interesting to watch particularly this week when we see donald trump doing his perp walk. what a commentary on a modern political party where the fourth indictment of this guy, the fourth indictment, the fourth arraignment wi

here on msnbc, the reverend al sharpton and msnbc contributor and editor at large for the bulwark charlie sykesyou both. reverend al, i am old enough to remember when presidential campaigns for both parties were about america's better days, best days being ahead, a bright future, looking forward the horizon. what does it tell you that donald trump's best idea is to look back to an election he lost? >> it tells me that we are in a very, very serious, in my opinion, political dilemma in this country on what is acceptable and what is not accept presidential or even presidential contender behavior. i have never seen any presidential election in my lifetime or in history where the person that is raising the questions of trying to disassemble an american election was the president or former president of the united states. you know, some people tried to distort it, but i said, you know, when i was growing up and going to school and we learned about the founding fathers, they fought an american revolution to have an election. they were not arguing about i need 11,000 more votes in this colony or that c

i will say that charlie sykes, for me, this is feeling a lot like june of 1974 leading up to nixon'sstory repeatedly. what i'm trying to get my arms around, how are they staying with donald trump? i remember my own dad staying with nixon into the very end and that reading the transcript of the tapes and saying that guy is unworthy to be president. and you look at these numbers, 64% of americans say that they are not going to support trump. his approval rating at 33%, 54% saying he threatened democracy itself. 18% saying maybe he strengthened it. is a favorable views exploding it continue to go up, and then you look at these actions, classified documents, majority say what he did was illegal. georgia election interference, 51% say it was illegal. 13% say unethical. only 15%, only 15%, let's underline this agreed with donald trump that he did nothing wrong. only 15% of americans agreed with donald trump that he did nothing wrong and the classified documents case. only 14% of americans say he did nothing wrong and the hush money case. of course that is by far for good reason the weakest

charlie sykes is back with with us and betsy woodruff. swann is here. pete, what would jack smith be looking for? >> nicole, a lot. i've served i don't know how many search warrants on twitter over the years and investigations. we need to put our investigator's hat on. twitter gathers a lot of information. they don't just have your tweets, they have your draft tweetss are in some cases they have deleted tweets, they have dms which are not encrypted, the ip address on which you logged on to the time, sometimes the location at which you accessed the count amongst other data. so there's a lot there. now, in terms of the wave the fbi or jack smith would get this informations are it appears that well before jack smith was appointed, early on there's a law, 2703, which allows the government to request that carrier providers preserve data. in this case an investigator would say, hey, look, trump engaged in something relevant to our investigation, in this case, twitter, here is a letter and we're asking you to take a snapshot of everything in that account right

acting assistant attorney general for national security, editor at large charlie sykes, and with me at the table, the director of the public policy program, welcome to all of you. thanks for being with us. let's start with you and what happened in that court today. it got happened heated where he said, you are not getting the extension you are hoping for. in the end, they got two months. >> did get heated at times. it was coming from just one side of the war room. from the defense counsel table. the lead defense attorney for donald trump started loud and only got louder and he asked twice to take the temperature down. he was arguing passionately about why he contended that he needed two years to prepare the case for trial. he opened with, neither of the two trial dates that have been proposed, january by the prosecution or april 2026 proposed by the defense. neither are appropriate. i was expecting a splitting of the difference. here is how it sort of played out. she gave the defense team several opportunities to come up with a more realistic proposed to trial date. he refused to budge

charlie sykes has noticed, there's an exhaustion that set in. not saying 55% or 60% of republicans, but a lot of republicans who have been with trump, from the beginning, say i'm exhausted, i'm tired of him attacking other republicans. we have to find somebody else because i want to win. >> yeah. that's the problem, right? you can't beat something with nothing. this field of candidates has been showing us nothing. ron desantis, nikki haley, all of them decided they are not going to go hard at trump. they're going to defend him when the charges come out. as a result, donald trump continues to dominate this primary and all of these other candidates have become bit players around the drama of donald trump. there's no opportunity for somebody else to break through. i talk to the republicans, every week. the two-time trump voters. there's a chunk of them that want to move on. i did a group just this week. and i was asking them, if donald trump isn't the nominee, who would you like to see? well, i like tim scott. he seems nice. i like swami. nobody ev