barry goldwater and bill buckley and brant senior and falwell robertson recently all did you know so i'm a i'm an active at the national level longer than everybody except dr. lee edwards. so lee is a dear friend i've known since 1961. and he calls me on the phone one day and says, let's have lunch with this young conservative of you need to know him. he doesn't know you. you don't know him. so we had nice lunch at the mayflower and so i liked the lunch money. so well invited. morton back ten days later for another lunch as he and i. and at the end the lunch, morton said, i spoke magic words to it and the magic words i spoke to him. i said, morton, i want you to come work with and help me build the movement. and he said at that he would taking a pay cut. i gave him a little pay increase. but anyway after some years he left and they ended up working for ronald reagan in the white house. and then that he left and started something the leadership institute and it's in there almost no i can think of as more important the conservative movement didn't leadership institute they've trained w

very goldwater and bill buckley and -- and falwell, all dead. so i'm an active at the national level longer than everybody except for naturally edwards. lee is different, i've known him since 1961. he called on the phone monday and says let's have lunch with this young conservative, you need to know him. he doesn't know you, you don't know him. so we had a nice lunch at the mayflower hotel. and the lunch went so well i invited morton back ten days later for another lunch, and the end of the lunch, morton said, i spoke magic words to him. and the magic court spoke to him were, i said morton, i want you to come work with me and help me move the conservative movement. he said at that point he would've taken a pay cut. i gave mueller will increase. after some years, anyway, he left. ended up working for ronald reagan in the white house. and then after that, he left and started something called the leadership institute. almost no organizations i can think of that are more important to the conservative movement than that one, trained over a quarter of

i you to think about your favorite barry goldwater moment. so, mr. corn, i'm wondering if i could have do also a little bit of a two parter and give us a bit about of history. the fact free extremism of john birch society and then maybe connect a little bit to the failed 1964 presidential campaign of barry goldwater and give us some back historical background to what we might be seeing today. thanks, alex. it's great to be in arizona after having covered mark finchem from afar for a lot of last year. nice to be here for that. let me ask you, how many people in the audience had some sort of director indirect connection with goldwater way or the other? a few hands still go up are good. okay. you know, i would my quite my answer follows up on what tim said although i set the at a much earlier point than he does. my book american psychosis you know makes the argument think proves the argument that republican republican relationship with extremism goes back seven decades it's waxed its waned but that for that time period throughout that time period the go

goldwater shown never again the republican party has been decimated as fringe radical extremism. years later, who won the election for governor, ronald reagan. i played out again and again with both working with pat robinson and the fundamental right and jerry falwell. they've thrown the red meat to the far right and like mitt romney a nice decent man tried to keep assistance from it about and braced donald trump in 2011 who was the number one promoting far right extremism so it's always been there going back to barry goldwater into the circle was complete if you look at arizona in the last couple of years. it's an ongoing fight it's not a pendulum that swings back and forth but it's something that's always been there in american politics. if the other three could pitch in and this is a bigger question so i want to quote lincoln in 1938 about the destruction not from without but from within. it would be the author and finisher so what i would like you to address if you could in your own way will the current gop republican psychosis lead to the end of the great american experiment

so he a approached barry goldwater and knowing that goldwater was considering running for president in4 said to goldwater, look, we should do this together and push back on these people. if if we do so together, think we could have a real impact on the party. so let's -- i'll write the first editorial in the national review, andna then you write a letter to the ed editor to the national review supporting the editorial.wa goldwater agrees. and buckley writes a 4,000-word itorial --at editorial in the national review about why the john birch society is so bad for america and so bad for the republican party, talked in depth about the anti-semitism and why that's so bad. goldwater wusses out, no other way to put it. he starts to get pressure back from john birchers inside the republican party. east worried that if he does this -- he's worried that if he does this, he won't win the nomination in 1964. and so he writes pack a very, very -- back a very, very short, weak letter to buckley which is nothing like whatin they had agreed upon. so buckley decides that he's not going to publish it at

he approached barry goldwater and knowing the goldwater was considering running for president he said we should do this together and push back on this and if we do so together they think we could have a real impact on the party. so i will write the first editorial for the national review and you write a letter to the national review to support it. goldwater agreed and buckley writes a 4000 word editorial on the national review about whyty the john birch society is bad for america and bad for the republican party and anti-semitism and why it's so bad. goldwater took us out. there's no other way to put it. we said if he does this he won't win the nomination in 1964. we write back a very short letter to buckley which is nothing like the agreed-upon buckley decided not going to publish it at first and he goes to somebody else to see who has credibility in the conservative movement. he went to ronald reagan who at that time was not even elected official. he did give a speech in 1964 home to half of goldwater early on. it was a speech entitled rendezvous with destiny and reagan have become

that is it for the far right spirit goldwater has shown never again. the republican party has been decimated as have the conservative friends radical extremists. two years later, who won the election in california for governor? ronald reagan working with the the jon birx society. so i point out again and again to reagan, the 1970s with the new rates the religious rates working with pat roberson the fundamental right to his was preachingall kinds of hatres needed to has reached out his throne the red meat to the far rates. sometimes mitt romney very polite nice decent man but when he needed to he embraced donald trump in 2011 who was the number one promoting far right extremism. it's always been there going back to barry goldwater the circle is complete if you look at arizona in the last couple of years. to good job inay november, as i say carry it lake i got elected governor. as an ongoing fights. it's not quite a pendulum that swings back and forth. it is something that's always been there in the american politics in the republican a pay has always so

there goldwater, and roberson recently all dead.e been active at the national level long then everyone except doctor edwards. lee is a different i've known since 1961. he calls another phone bases let's have lunch with that young conservative you need to know him. he doesn't know you we had a nice lunch. i liked him so well i invite them back 10 days later jesse and i. the end of the lunch morton said i spoke magic words to him the d magic words i spoke to him morton i want you to come work with me and help me build the conservative movement. and atki that point he would tae it a pay cut i gave him a pay increase. [laughter] after some years he left and ended up working for ronald reagan in the white house. and then after that he left and started something called the leadership institute. there's almost no organization i can think of of the conservative movement than leadership inserted that trained well over quarter of a million young sepeople, many, many governors, senators, congressmen, legislators too numerous to mention. right

barry goldwater and william buckley and brent bozell senior, robertson recently, all dead. at the national level longer than everybody except edwards, since 1960 one, on the phone one day said let's have lunch with this younger conservative, nice lunch at the mayflower, and invited morton back, 10 days later for another lunch. at the end of the lunch morton said i spoke magic words and the magic words i spoke to him was morton, i want you to come work with me and help me build the conservative movement and taking a pay cut. after some years, and up working for ronald reagan in the white house. after that, he left and started the leadership institute and almost no organizations in the conservative movement, they trained well over 1/4 of a million young people, many senators, congressmen and numerous conventions, he gives that as we speak, my president of my company, kathleen patton, national conservative marketers and teaching a couple hundred people in europe how to be effective conservatives. he has maybe 500 more classes all over the country the leadership institute teach

one thing that i needed was names and addresses, i got over 12 thousand barry goldwater donors by end of the first year, i started my company in 1965, i had 100 thousand republicans goldwater donors now we're past 10 million. and i recognize early on that was be that we were in i wasn't in fundraising or marketing, i was in the name acquisition. >> have you gotten rich in your business? >> i have not, i have lived comfortably, to this day my team will testify, that i put everything possible back into the company, i am at every fiber of my being i am a entrepreneur. the definition of a entrepreneur is a risk taker. to this day, i put everything that i have available in company, the reasons is 1965, i started my company in january, i went to various conservative organizations, and i said, i have goldwater donors let's do a test of 5,000, they agreed we would spend a dollar, and now you send a dollar 50% of your money comes back, in those days, two or 5 dollars would come back this great. now wild mail 50 thousand letters. and those results come in we'll mail 500 thousand, everyone says

and and barry goldwater does this as well to a certain degree. so i wonder, you know, how did they do that? well, so what did they say? yeah, well, yeah. so one of the things i argue is that, you know, buckley, is that totally a myth. but it's mostly, you know, no one person had the ability to to keep the gatekeeper, you know, the birchers were first. there are 60 to 100000 of them. a lot of them very wealthy. and buckley just as an example, he had a lot of ties to a lot of birch leaders and some of his readers were either in the society or they were in in the members, but they were supportive of it and so it was very hard to kind of disentangle. so buckley wrote a couple of editorials in the early sixties denouncing robert welch's conspiracy theories. right. welch had argued that eisenhower was a commie, and buckley said, you know, you know, that's too much, too far. and then later in five, especially as the birchers really kind of went more radical on the vietnam war, buckley did a bigger thing against him. he really kind of denounced him. but,

and and barry goldwater does this as well to a certain degree. so i wonder, you know, how did they do that? well, so what did they say? yeah, well, yeah. so one of the things i argue is that, you know, buckley, is that totally a myth. but it's mostly, you know, no one person had the ability to to keep the gatekeeper, you know, the birchers were first. there are 60 to 100000 of them. a lot of them very wealthy. and buckley just as an example, he had a lot of ties to a lot of birch leaders and some of his readers were either in the society or they were in in the members, but they were supportive of it and so it was very hard to kind of disentangle. so buckley wrote a couple of editorials in the early sixties denouncing robert welch's conspiracy theories. right. welch had argued that eisenhower was a commie, and buckley said, you know, you know, that's too much, too far. and then later in five, especially as the birchers really kind of went more radical on the vietnam war, buckley did a bigger thing against him. he really kind of denounced him. but,

robert welch on his influence and very goldwater does this as well. how did they do that? or did they do it? >> one of the things i argue is that it's not totally ate meth but no not one person had the ability to be the gatekeeper. birchers there are 60 to 100,000 of them a lot of them were very wealthy. and buckley as an example had a lot of ties to a lot of birch leaders. and some of his readers were either in the society they weren't members but they weree supportive of it. and so it was a very hard to disentangle sub buckley wrote a couple editorials in the early 60s denouncing the conspiracy theories. should argued that eisenhower is a commie and buckley said that is too far. and later in 65 especially as birchers got more radical on the vietnam war buckley did a bigger thing against them. he denounced them. but when he ran for mayor of new york city in 1965, even though a lot were angry atst him he still had some who supported his mayor run. so it was very hard. what i was interested in though was the mainstream of the goldwater types they both wooed theth birchers t

from 64 to 2020 they rejected goldwater and rejected trump in 2020 and there's an interesting. i think it says something about the comparison it's an interesting chapter to place the chapters that follow into context. i hate when i hear this. we are in the most dangerous time in the history of the country. we are more divided than we've ever been in our history. i have someone say george came to me and said i don't know. it seems to be the civil war was probably a time that we were more divided than we are now, just a random thought. but maybe we can inject a little common sense and the hyperbole. to tell you we've been here before and remember what happened after that. after that we won the presidency between 1968 and 1992. so the party recovered. they became once again a national force at the presidential level because we got back to basics and that's part of what the book is all about. >> along the same lines as history repeats itself i loved when you were doing debate prep with the president and youit wet in with examples of articles from previous presidents, incumbent pres

and wahlberg walch and barry goldwater does this as well to a certain degree. i wonder, you know, how do they do that? >> one of the things that i argue, buckley, mostly, no one person had the ability to keep the gatekeeper. the berkshires were 16 -- a lot of them were very wealthy. buckley, just an example, he had a lot of ties to first leaders. some of his readers were either in the society, they were not members, but they were supportive of it. it was very hard to kind of disentangle. so he wrote a couple of editorials in the 60s denouncing welch's conspiracy theories. welch had argued and buckley said, youou know, too far. and then later in 65 especially as they were more radical on the vietnam war he did a bigger thing. when buckley ran for mayor of new york city in 1965, even though a lot were angry at him, he still had some so society, some that supported his mirror run. it was very hard, what i was interested in, though, the main stream, they bothan kind of wood and they tried to bring them into the fold at times but then they did not want -- they wante

first generation about clay, barry goldwater et cetera. 100 percent of second generation conservatives, jerry falwell, myself et cetera, before we were conservatives, first we were anti communist. i love the glue that held a conservative movement together in those days back in the 60s, 70s 80s. >> what was the moment, that burning bush moment for you when it came to direct mail and mailing lists. you are visiting the national office in new york city? >> look, i was fortunate i had two-week summer camp national guard and a basal side of chicago. the first and only saturday we were there for the two weeks everybody goes into chicago, which is stays in the barracks and state reads national review. small out about an inch to two for four field directors for americans for constitutional action. in no longer exists, but i had a friend who worked for national vehicle, a journalist there. i can hear the cannons and the guns going off in new york and washington. the war was starting and i was desperate to get into the battle and fight the political left here in america. so i called my friend da

you know, senator goldwater got he decided to vote against it all, which was the same reason that he decided to when he when he won the nomination. and that same summer, just a month later in san francisco, with a republican convention, when he decided he was going to vote against it, it was a watershed for his whole career. and he consulted two lawyers on on on how to make the the how to defend a vote against the civil rights bill. robert bork and william rehnquist. those were his advisers on opposing the civil rights bill, which is a pivotal moment for the republican party. turning it from the party of lincoln into the party of strom thurmond and so it entered it opened a battle in congress that that went for a long, long time. but a lot of people don't know that all during the filibuster in the senate. senator russell, my senator from georgia, who i met several times, was the leader of the southern democrats, and he a big easel in the back of the senate explaining. his bill, the racial relocation act, which said that the civil rights bill unfairly targeted the south because most b

well it was barry goldwater and a senator from utah. but isn't this great, you got confirmed.ou got confirmed. there was silence and then be. you told me that we couldn't get these two republican nominees yet, at this point bolton told me he got a little irritated and he said concentrating, you know, you have just been confirmed 98-0, goldwater had gone home sick on the night of the vote, and the utah senator was donating his kidney to his daughter. and finally scalia says that's right, thank you. >> this is part of how we talked about that he suffers losses he carries us with him. talk about that later. >> and when i came back to washington as a reporter in 1999, the first thing i did was right to justice antonin scalia and request an interview on fox news. in 1999, fox news was not as well-known as it would later become. it was not the industry leader. we got confused for but i went out and said that i was offended fox news, -- he said that he was a fan, but he said that he will -- does not make himself a spectacle. and i wrote back and i said thank you. but what else could

goldwater is a warmonger. nixon says, i'm not going to send american boys to go fight wars in asia and. he goes on to win the election. this is particularly important for vietnam. it convinces the north vietnamese leadership that now they have a president in office who said he's not going to fight here in vietnam. so at the same time, they're seeing the south vietnamese government in turmoil. so they decide to launch a decisive in the spring of 1965, moving entire north vietnamese army divisions into south vietnam and this offensive well for the north vietnamese such that by june of 1965 the american commander, general westmoreland, is telling the white house that if the u.s. doesn't put its own troops into, the ground war quickly, that south vietnam is going to fall. so president johnson, then has to look at all the strategic stakes and he is focused on the same issue, really, that had concerned eisenhower and kennedy, which is the so-called domino theory. the idea that if south vietnam falls, you'll see othe

it is a goldwater nichols type moment, it is a remap -- around active 1862 where we created rotc type moment. we want to borrow that moment later on. i'm bullish on the fact that everything we do runs through this conversation around k-12, we don't get it right and i'm happy you use the term workforce because pcs are great but technicians are even more important. i'm happy to talk about it. >> we need a lot more of them. >> the pandemic has put a spotlight on k-12 education that is changing the conversation and i think it's really important to just back up and take a look at what the system is experiencing right now. the pandemic erased two decades of progress in math and literacy . math levels in this country are the lowest they have been since 1990. so, this is an urgent moment and you are hearing from this illustrious panel that this is a moment for urgency, it is a moment for operation warp speed type response to addressing what is a what i am optimistic about, like my fellow panelists, is that coalitions are coming together in new ways to solve this problem. and i want to think o

passing in front of our vantage point, governor of iowa harold hughes, behind him senator barry goldwaterthe family. and military escort. proceeding slowly to the green with its canopy of trees at the ridge looking out over the valley on which rests the hoover library, and the cottage where this man was born. funeral procession slowly filing in to place. >> we shall begin this service with a period of reference silence in which we ask youall to join. let us pray, o lord. who does work through the lives of men we thank ye this day for life of herb ert hoover for his compassion, deep humility and his -- unchallenged integrity, for his family life, for his abiding faith in jesus christ. make us to rejoice, because nothing can separate us or him from theus love of christ. amen. it would be suitable at this time to read the passages of the new testament which are concerned with the resurrecttion in christ. there is one floor glory of the -- glory of the the sun and glory of the moon and the stars. stars differ from stars in glory, glory is with the resurrection of the dead. what is raised is i

and now passing in front of our vantage point, the governor of iowa, behind him senator barry goldwaterhe family, and military escort proceeding slowly to the green with its canopy of trees. looking out over the valley on which rests the hoover library and the cottage where this man was born. the funeral procession slowly filing into place. >> in accordance with heritage, which president hoover new and cherished, we shall begin this service with the period of reverent silence into which we ask you all to join let us pray, oh lord who works through the lives of men, we thank you this day for the life of herbert hoover, we thank you. for his compassion, his deep humility. his integrity, his family life his abiding faith in jesus christ, make this a time of rejoicing. along and uncorrupted life and the hope into which our friend has now entered. make us to rejoice because nothing can separate us or him from the love of christ. amen. it would be suitable at this time, the noblest passage of the new testament which are concerned with the resurrection in christ. there is one glory of the sun

then, you saw goldwater and other things that appealed more to the southern whites. you saw a shift in that. it is understandable. i do not see a lot of work by republicans to win over african-americans these days. a lot of what they are saying out there is racially divisive. that said, i think there is probably need in political parties to have the best interest of african-americans at heart. i think they are more concerned with preserving the status quo than making real change. host: scott calling from seattle. hi there. caller: good morning. i have a couple comments. out here in seattle, we have got this horrible sprawl going on. a lot of people are taking a look at what kind of neighborhoods they want to live in, if they want green space, you know. i just do not think lowering the standards of how many houses you can build on a lot or whatever, it has caused a lot of density. i do not think it has made the neighborhoods any nicer. there is no parking in some of these cases. another thing we have going for us out here is, we have traditionally low interest rates g

goldwater's mistake of 1964. the original southern strategy was the democratic party.was the party of northern liberals and southern confederates. republicans have been out of power for a long time. they were frustrated. how do we break through this lock on the electoral college in congress that democrats have created by having this alliance of southern democrats in northern progressive? some republican said the way we are going to breakthroughs attract southern democrats and make them republican. that was a tragic choice. the whole point of the southern strategy was to take people who were democrats and convert them to republicans. i hope and i think a lot of americans hope we can move past that tragic history and have a country where we all believe in equal opportunity. host: how do you gauge success in your efforts when it comes to the freedom conservative effort? guest: there are a lot of wage -- ways to gauge success. i could not be more thrilled by the caliber and quantity and quality of the people who have signed onto this statement. a lot of people have been ta

goldwater's mistake of 1964. the original southern strategy was the democratic party.was the party of northern liberals and southern confederates. republicans have been out of power for a long time. they were frustrated. how do we break through this lock on the electoral college in congress that democrats have created by having this alliance of southern democrats in northern progressive? some republican said the way we are going to breakthroughs attract southern democrats and make them republican. that was a tragic choice. the whole point of the southern strategy was to take people who were democrats and convert them to republicans. i hope and i think a lot of americans hope we can move past that tragic history and have a country where we all believe in equal opportunity. host: how do you gauge success in your efforts when it comes to the freedom conservative effort? guest: there are a lot of wage -- ways to gauge success. i could not be more thrilled by the caliber and quantity and quality of the people who have signed onto this statement. a lot of people have been ta

movement has been trying to get the courts changed, the direction of the courts changed since the barry goldwater060s, it's been a constant thing to change the court. who has done more to accomplish that alive today who can say that other than mitch mcconnell? mitch mcconnell delivered and people on the left are horrified by what they see. it has contributed to the polarization and poisoned their politics but nonetheless, the court has spoken in a way they never would have spoken years ago. this is a much, much more conservative court and mitch mcconnell is one of the chief authors of that change. >> david gergen, always great to talk to you. thank you for being with us this sunday. >> thank you, fredricka. good to be here. >> nearly a hundred asylum seekers have funneled into new york since a migrant surge began last spring. how is the city responding? we'll have details next. i-cloud services that enable digital innovation and enterprise control,, vmware helps you keeeep your cloud options open. this is your summer to smile. to raise your glass and reconnect. to reel in the fun and savor every

to impeach president nixon, then the members of the senate leading republican senators was barry goldwater, howard baker and hugh scott went to see president nixon and said, this was a bipartisan vote. you need to resign. that is almost impossible to imagine today because of what has happened and what they have allowed to happen to themselves. i hope that we won't have accountability just for donald trump and if there are others named in the indictments along with him for their behavior, but we will also have accountability for political party that has thrown in with all of the lies and divisiveness and lack of any conscience about what was being done to the country. >> in terms of getting out of this and coming out of this crisis stronger for having confronted very dark prospects in terms of what this means, it does feel like the republican party as a whole is not ready to make that turn. i'm thinking about ron desantis as the guy who is running second to donald trump in the primary right now. he is promising that there shouldn't be an independent department of justice. >> he is promising