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. >> john: the former dhs secretary in the obama administration jay johnson said over the weekend if the numbers continue as they are, it's going to create a real mess, could hurt biden politically in the election next year. >> this needs to be all hands on deck issue for the federal government and purely political terms, you want to maximize donald trump's chance of re-election, fail to deal with this problem. this will turn our politics upside down. >> john: brandon, hold on that thought for a second, karine jean-pierre is answering a question about the border here, listen. >> you just mentioned, they issued a read-out of their conversation with the mexican government over the weekend so regarding their engagement, so certainly would have you reach out to them and they could lay out specifically how that engagement went and also refer you to the readout more specifically as well. >> thank you. so in a recent meeting with the prime minister of south korea, xi jinping expressed his support for resuming annual tri lateral summits, with -- >> john: the only thing she was asked. listen

she went back to jay johnson saying 4,000 is an untenable numbers. these guys and women are dealing with 10,000 and doing it in the most constructive humane way possible with no guidance, no leadership. now, i heard normer president trump said if he's re-elected, he would send u.s. troops to block the border to turn everyone back. you cannot come across. this is a crisis. do you think kellyanne, that that is what should happen and harold, i want to hear from you as well on that. if you were president, would you say, okay. we need the troops to secure the border. no one can come in. >> martha, we have sent u.s. troops and other american resources to protect the borders and the sovereignty of other nations for many decades. it's high time we did it for our own country. the reason president trump is saying that is some of the measures that harold ford is putting forthright now, we did in the trump-pence administration. we built a wall that sounds familiar. we recalled racist and xenophobes and horrible and couldn't get democrats to come to the table on

it was a bad day according to jay johnson when a thousand people were apprehended.ow we are averaging for almost the last two and a half years over 6,000 people today and we cannot get secretary mayorkas to say that's a crisis. when you say it's a problem. he calls it a challenge and i noted in the number of your testimonies you kept talking about efficiency. sitting here sedate hearing setting, it almost seems like you have this under control. it is completely out of control. what data to you have because they don't share with us in terms of number of people encountered, processed, dispersed, how many people do we know are known got aways, what's the estimate of known got aways? do you have that for the first two and a half years of the biden administration, to you have an estimate of that because i do. >> i don't have that broken right now. >> would it surprise you if it's 5 million people, encountered, processed and dispersed or are known or unknown got aways. 5 million people. the population of half the states 5 million or less. chief bemiller, do you believe th

address it we can't get the secretary to call this a crisis if you look back under obama secretary jay johnson said if we have 1 thousand encounters a day that is a crisis. we are not on average having 10,000 people cross a day. and do you whon secretary johnson deputy was? it was you in secretary may york us we had him in home land security appropriations and would not admit to this we gotta make this administration face the facts and stories like i heard is when he needs to hear the problem you have sean, i went to the border 3 times. my first 2 month in office. senator blackburn and cornin said have you to see it and hear it. unfortunately and president biden's 2-1/2 years in office he has been there 3 hours. you can tell where his priorities are, priors need to be request keeping americans safe and ending this disgusting and despicable crisis we see happening on our border every day. we need to know this. considering the level lies the border is closed. unbelievable. secure, secure. yesterday. no president in history ever done more to secure the border. flat out lies. my question is, you k

breaking point, and you look at the comments in the past by the former homeland security secretary jay johnson that these kind of numbers weren't sustainable. mayokas who has, you know, mischaracterized this is fair to say, has said at times these kinds of numbers aren't sustainable. my question is what would you expect the federal government to do when you have a border town in the united states that says that they are about to break? >> you know, that's a great point you bring up. secretary johnson mentioned it when it was 3,000. we did a report in 2019 sitting with 5,000 people in el paso and 10,000 people across the southwest border. now every day around 20,000 people in custody. the federal government needs to shut this down and send all the resources they need. they need to implement the poll seals we started and worked for for almost 25 years to get this border secure. most importantly they need to engage mexico again in the firmest way we can to include the source countries. not just mexican nationals and central americans. people all over the world coming to our border and we have to

jay johnson the head of homeland security in 2019 says we now know what a thousand illegals look likee get to 4,000 a day then we're not going to be able to handle it. right now we're at 10,000 a day and we cannot handle it. >> jesse: when the fires ripped through maui all the networks went, cnn went, msnbc went because that's a sexy location and they can stay at a nice place. it's very difficult to fly from new york and dc down to south texas down to the border. they don't want go there's nowhere nice to stay the back drop's not good. this has a lot to do with it harold >> harold: great to be with you. anyone has the right to go you know and anyone who says otherwise is just wrong. it reminds me when i listened to my friend congresswoman from massachusetts, and she's a friend. but when republicans, when guns, something has with a gun and some republican says there's no gun issue we don't have to react it toment i think that's wrong. and when a democrat says there's nothing going on at the border it's secure that's not credible. we have a challenge at our border and we've got to deal

former secretary under obama, jay johnson. partner at the law firm, weiss.lle, south carolina, where there will be a campaign event later today. there is new reporting, "republicans' anti-trump effort flounders as the former president cruises ahead." >> vaughn, i seem to hear two things from phone calls coming in, especially this weekend. one, republicans still trying to figure out how to get rid of donald trump and put somebody else, whether it's tim scott or nikki haley in his place, and democrats just fretting about joe biden. it's fascinating that you have sort of the, you know, establishment class both very unsettled about the candidates that their party is most likely going to be nominating. >> reporter: right. when we look at the republican side of this, joe, we've had this conversation for months now. dating back to november of last year, ten months ago, when donald trump first entered the race, what was the anti-trump effort going to look like within the republican party? fast forward ten months later. we are here in september of 2023. less than fou

we were having a proper debate about a fence, it was when we actually had individuals, including jay johnson, a democrat, who said 1,000 a week was an emergency, who actually wanted to try to enforce the law, and now says oh, no, we're just going to say if you come here on to this dirt and utter those magic words, i already conceded, a fence is only as good as the willingness of the people to enforce the law. so all i'm suggesting is that -- you asked for time back. mr. cuellar: so then the fence doesn't work. you proved my point. it's the repercussions. you've got to have repercussions. if you don't have repercussions a fence isn't going to work, with or without a fence. you have to have repercussions and have the right policy. we are in agreement. mr. roy: therefore the fence doesn't work because you open the doors and you say if you come up to the line and you welcome them in, the fence doesn't work? the fact is, fences, of course they work. the question is fences plus law plus enforcement. the fence at the white house is only good to know you will get your head blown off if you go over i

a backlash to that and and and some african-american critics and writers like jay saunders redding and james weldon johnson and dubois in his earlier years, who not later on. i don't know i've been wondering if is what what turns him but you start to see it by the forties actually, and then eventually and then eventually of course. i mean is it is it shirley graham who. yeah. turns them because eventually she writes this wonderful young adult book about him. so eventually you start to see a kind of a two sided figure. she still celebrated by some by some folks, especially women. but a lot a lot of black artists are see her as a negative example. she's not race conscious enough. she's not as in-your-face as she'd like to be her. and so there's been this continual tendency to call her, to call her an uncle tom or to call her or to say that she's really a negative a negative example. and so that then but then there's a push back to that starting in the seventies by by by black feminist critics and writers who reclaim her and henry louis gates wrote eloquently about that. and we're still in a kind of we're sti

jay hatfield. also with us all morning is adam johnson. adam, i want to kick things off with you.strials up 78, nasdaq up 28, you've got ipos we've been talking about recently, instacart debuted on nasdaq yesterday, closed up 12%, 33, 70 is where it finished the day. the stock reversed course this morning but you're still seeing some interest in ipos, this obviously comes right after another big one last week. do you see this as a good story for the markets? >> it's a wonderful story because it says that risk appetite is actually coming back. arm holdings, the semiconductor maker last week that shot up 40%, instacart now up, what, 10, 12%. what it's saying is there's appetite to own new companies. ipo activity is down 75% from the peak in 2021. that's amazing, right. maria: that is amazing. >> last year was the lowest in a decade. it had shut down. the fact we've got two back to back ipos is a very positive signal for the market. as far as instagram -- instagram -- instacart itself goes, they priced it right. it's trading at 26 times ratio and growing at 30%. they priced iterate.

benefits of the new conservation was one of president johnson's aims when he traveled to nashville, tennessee to dedicate the 50 million dollar jay percy priest dam. to the president the dam was a perfect example of the new conservation because it preserves without polluting and brings nature and recreation within an easy day's drive of tens of thousands of people. our new conservation must build on a new principle bringing nature closer to the people. that is not just my dream it is happening. it is happening right here today. in tennessee it is coming true all over this nation when i took office. we were losing hundreds of thousands of acres every year to the bulldozers. today we actually reclaiming more land than we're losing. that has been my goal since i became president. along with peace in the world and progress at home. there is no legacy that i would rather leave. than a permanent program of real conservation for this nation. everybody wants free. back in washington a new drama was unfolding at the campsite of the poor people's campaign resurrection city originally conceived by dr. martin luther king as a visible symbol

just as jay rolls with bleek, today, he's rolling with jason. professor johnsonart of our team, invaluable guest anchor on this program, and host of slate's podcast, a word with jason johnson. welcome to both of you. >> glad to be here. >> you're in good company. and i don't mean me. >> i'm humbled and flatters. i got to keep my flow right today. >> it is fallback. you are the regular jason, so what's on your fallback list? >> first, i need the entire gop to fall back from hip-hop. we got this brand-new video from some terrible rapper, whatever it is, that he's rapping how marjorie taylor greene is their mvp. not just that the republican party is anti-anything that hip-hop talks about. their flows are always terrible. he has the whole thing where he says marjorie taylor -- look, the game flow is right there. mtv, she's our mvp. you can get to know me. he was right there. he couldn't follow that. need to live hip-hop alone. i hate it. >> i'll tell you this, bleek may want to weigh in. i'm open to music crossing barriers. i'm open to it when it is genuine. but i do