and thank you to chatham house for hosting and for your resolute commitment to dialogue on this issuedespair. on this issue. an issue that so many people recoilfrom out of despair. a despair that in the last three weeks has arguably reached new depths. indeed, anyone who has followed this closely and seen images that can never be unseen. tiny bodies wrapped in bundles in israel and gaza. mothers and fathers shattered by the ultimate grief. the innocent dead. israeli, palestinian, muslim, jew. it is a tragedy where the facts on the ground are changing by the minute but where the consequences will last for decades. and the trauma might neverfade. a crisis where the search for solutions is shrouded notjust by the where the search for solutions is shrouded not just by the fog where the search for solutions is shrouded notjust by the fog of where the search for solutions is shrouded not just by the fog of war but by an ever darkening cloud of misinformation. but nonetheless, we must do what we can and we must explain what we do. democratic accountability matters, particularly in light of t

that was nomi bar—yaacov of chatham house talking to us there about the explosion at the gaza hospitaldied. an explosion that israel has blamed on the palestinian armed group islamicjihad, saying it was the misfiring of a rocket the group had aimed at israel. the palestinian authorities have blamed the explosion squarely on israel. this when joe the explosion squarely on israel. this whenjoe biden comes to the region to try and calm the situation. we see him there arriving in israel this morning. hello again. we've got some heavy rain and strong winds on the cards, notjust today, but as we go through the rest of this week. it's only through the weekend it gradually starts to turn drier, less windy and chillier. but at times across the north and also the east, we could have gusts of wind to gale force, even severe gales. now, storm bebet�*s coming our way today, pushing northwards as we go through tonight and tomorrow. we've got this next area of low pressure which could affect southern areas during the course of friday. but it's going to be windy throughout this period. so to take a lo

. >> the director of the middle east and north africa and chatham house is joining us.ear, israeli forces are in densely populated areas of gaza there is a question of ground invasion and if there is any headway made by israel will israel set up to meet that obje objective? >> i think the strategy of eliminating hamas is almost an impossibility. if they are success thful and o by one killing off hamas leadership, what they have done is transferred this conflict to another generation through the immense and enormous humanitarian catastrophe under way. over 8,000 have been killed and 3,000 of which have been children the flagrant issues with the international lawsunravel. >> in terms of how we view the conflict of how devastating an impact on gaza and various nations in the area, there is a border concern of the conflict spilling across lines here and that proxies for iran could get involved is that still a threat in your view >> it is a threat. we are really walking on a fragile tightrope. there have been incursions and escalations on the southern lebanese border with at

the impact director at the european leadership network and formerly covered the middle east at chatham houseconomist intelligence unit. she spoke to me a short while ago. the situation is a desperate one for all of these civilians. and so clearly there are many calls on egypt to open the crossing. the complicating factor is that this is a conflict where previously large numbers of palestinians have been displaced and have never been able to return to their homes. so egypt's concern is that potentially some 2 million palestinians could come into egypt and never be able to go back. it's not only that egypt doesn't want to integrate an extra 2 million people into its own quite poor economy. it's also a concern that the prospects for any future palestinian state would be much affected if palestinians no longer live in gaza. now, to be clear, that's not the stated intention of the israeli government, but there have been elements within that government who have said that they think palestinian transfer or expulsion is, as they see it, the solution to the conflict. so what more could israel, americ

the associa sossociate fellow f chatham house.na and i were discussing the immediate question for many people watching these events is what potential there is for the actions of the weekend to bring in a broader conflict? what is the potential for other actors to get involved as well? >> thank you for having me on the show. i think it is early days and we're not quite sure. we know that the head of the iranian forces is going to meet the head of hezbollah in lebanon today. hezbollah is clearly the main threat to israel from the north and northeast. i think they will calculate very carefully how they will play this. i think it is unlikely there will be a serious attack from the north and maybe until israel is deep into gaza. of course, there are many players. iran has the proxies. islamic jihad has declared they have more than 30 hostages and they are linked to iran. hamas declared they have more than 1 o00. they are linked to iran. we know the planning and knowledge and money and arms have come from iran. in terms of the north? th

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let's bring in the international fellow from chatham house. good morning.t's pick up with the biden visit to israel and speech yesterday out of the oval office professing steadfast support for israel. very welcome by the israeli government. to what extent is this going to change the calculus of how the situation pans out in the coming days? >> i think it is extremely important alongside the ironclad support that president biden is giving to give the floor to the arab regional actors. tomorrow, president el-sisi is convening a summit in egypt aimed at deescalation as you mentioned. i think whereas the u.s. has a leading role and the most leverage on israel, it is crucial at this time to involve the reegional arab actors. president el-sisi invited the leaders of iraq and qatar and alongside jordan european nations as well. many have confirmed. cyprus and greece have confirmed participation. of course, u.s. secretary-general gutierrez will be there. it is an international summit held tomorrow, the 21st of october, in egypt aimed at not only deescalation, but t

here is a correspondent from chatham house. . ,., . , ., , house.the house were any number of— house. recent politics in the house were any number of issues - house. recent politics in the house were any number of issues are i house. recent politics in the house i were any number of issues are coming up were any number of issues are coming upend— were any number of issues are coming up and certainly border security has been _ up and certainly border security has been a _ up and certainly border security has been a long—standing one. it is not because _ been a long—standing one. it is not because of— been a long—standing one. it is not because of that pressure to keep the government funded —— it is now because — government funded —— it is now because of— government funded —— it is now because of that pressure. government funded -- it is now because of that pressure. building the bulb is one _ because of that pressure. building the bulb is one of _ because of that pressure. building the bulb is one of a _ because of that pressure. building the bulb is

let's speak to the director of the middle east and north africa program at chatham house, a think tanke u.k. thank you for being with us and thank you for your patience. i know you have been standing by. this is story in the middle east wasn't really in the headlines just a week ago. the national security advisor at the white house was telling us that the middle east was taking less aes week on, we are on thek of what? >> we are on the brink of disaster, that is where we are. this speaks of the hubris of western governments, the inattentiveness to a crisis that those of us that work on the middle east and had been watching the middle east new has been simmering for so long, and it has been left unattended and this is where we are, on the brink of a catastrophe that is going to be passed down to further generations. christian: the israelis have the right and have made the point that they need to respond to hamas and to decapitate the leadership of hamas, and they will do that. but it is an extraordinary order to evacuate a million people, to put hos -- to put hospitals under such pressu

he is a fellow of chatham house and a middle east expert.ade the point, yossi, before the break, we hear about all these places on the news, but people's knowledge not that great. so knowledge is not that great. so take us to the very start, take us back to the very start, the formation of israel. >> good evening, >> all right. good evening, nigel. what do you look here in the map between the jordan river? you know, the dead sea, the and the the sea of galilee and the mediterranean sea all the way to the to the gaza strip. this is what used to be mandatory palestine . that was the british palestine. that was the british mandate. yes post 19, 1918, in 1947, the united nations decided on partition resolution 181 to for a jewish state and an arab state between the sides. there was disagreement eventually , in was disagreement eventually, in may 1948, israel declared independence . a war ensued. independence. a war ensued. israel expanded. if, according to the partition plan, israel should have had, the jewish state should have have a 65% of the

live now to dr leslie vinjamuri, head of the us and americas programme at chatham house. se and it is the pressure to keep the government funded and the politics around ukraine funding and border security are coming squarely into this, which is not to say migration is a very serious issue, the optic has been significant in recent months. the president has been working on this issue in a very concerted way for a very long time and unable to get immigration reform but has been trying to increase the incentives for migrants to stay in their own country but increase the pathways to legal migration so there are more people who enter legally. now i think he is facing a very serious crunch in real terms and facing very difficult politics in washington. can you stay with us because on the point you've been raising about funding for ukraine we can take it to granada and president zelensky is addressing this topic. this to granada and president zelensky is addressing this topic.— addressing this topic. this mutual su ort in addressing this topic. this mutual support in coming _ addr

he is a fellow of chatham house and a middle east expert.ade the point, yossi, before the break, we hear about all these places on the news, but people's knowledge not that great. so knowledge is not that great. so take us to the very start, take us back to the very start, the formation of israel. >> good evening, >> all right. good evening, nigel. what do you look here in the map between the jordan river? you know, the dead sea, the and the the sea of galilee and the mediterranean sea all the way to the to the gaza strip. this is what used to be mandatory palestine . that was the british palestine. that was the british mandate. yes post 19, 1918, in 1947, the united nations decided on partition resolution 181 to for a jewish state and an arab state between the sides. there was disagreement eventually , in was disagreement eventually, in may 1948, israel declared independence . a war ensued. independence. a war ensued. israel expanded. if, according to the partition plan, israel should have had, the jewish state should have have a 65% of the

he is associate fellow with the asia—pacific programme at chatham house.hip has been on the second thomas show since may 1999 and it is quite literally falling apart, so the philippines is under pressure to bring some construction materials or some kind of repair equipment in order to simply, you know, stop the ship wasting away. now about five or six philippines marines live on it, and they have these rotated resupply missions where they bring supplies and daily needs to the marines. i hear the chinese are trying to stop them bringing on extra things like steel or scaffolding poles to reinforce it, and that's what it's about. and china, you know, i'm not quite sure why they decided to make this such a big issue at this time, but it's been going on for some time where what is happening now that is new really, both sides are releasing videos to expose the actions of the other side. all this happening at a time when there is a major conflict in the middle east, where every i's attention is where much attention is there, the united states has released a state

he is associate fellow with the asia—pacific programme at chatham house.well as we know at the moment, both sides as expected, or blaming each otherfor the moment, both sides as expected, or blaming each other for the aggression in the area, how are you reading these developments? iretell reading these developments? well this ship has _ reading these developments? -ii this ship has been on the second thomas scholl since may 1999 and it's quite literally falling apart, so the philippines is under pressure to bring some construction materials or some kind of repair equipment in order to simply, you know, stop the ship wasting away. there are about five or six philippine marines that live on there, and they have these regulars that rotate resupply missions where they bring supplies, food supplies and daily needs to the marines. but the chinese are trying to stop them bringing on extra things, you know, like steel or scaffolding poles to reinforce it. and so that's what it's about. and china, i'm not quite sure why they tried to make this such a big issue at t

bronwen maddox runs london—based think—tank chatham house and is an expert on geopolitics.affects the whole region? it depends partly on iran and whether iran wants this to happen at the risk of a full—on war with israel. and that is properly the single greatest risk that could spread this beyond what is happening at the moment. at the other hand, also dependent on what other countries have been looking at, and just trying to pour as much reassurance or discouragement as they can in different directions — on hezbollah, on lebanon, and on israel itself. lebanon's border with israel, regularly patrolled by un peacekeepers, has been the location of cross—border fire with hezbollah since the attacks. we are seeing a kind of engagement and firefight between israel and militant groups working and operating out of lebanon, whether it's hezbollah or the other palestinian militant groups, in a way we haven't seen in previous wars in gaza. and that is something to keep in mind. we've also seen deterrent bombing by — by deterrent strikes by israel, against syria, to make sure that ano

she is a middle east advisor at the policy institute. chatham house, welcome to the program and thank you for joining us. now if we look at this attack, it clearly caught israel's military and intelligence apparatus completely off guard who's to blame for this failure and intelligence. i don't think this is a time to discuss who is to blame for the failure. i think this is a time to work out how to ensure that there isn't going to be a 2nd failure or any further thing is undoubtedly going to be a very high level of very serious investigation into the thing is as soon as the situation said, some of the stabilizes, but i think there's a consensus in israel not discussing who is to blame the amendment isn't shouldn't really be the folks this was such an unprecedented incursion. how much help to then come off got from outside of gaza. oh i think this is not as liberal ration that i'm awesome. could could it's carried out without external health. around said, meantime today that it had no role in the attacks. what, what do you make of that statement as well? i um, i think that the fingerpr

professor yossi mekelberg who is an associate fellow, at the middle east and north africa programme at chatham househim for his reactions to this morning's events. i think it's a difficult morning, no doubt, in israel. and israel was caught sleeping, literally, in this case. and i think both operationally and perceptually, they had the idea that something like this won't happen. for months, the assumption in israel, the perception is that since economic conditions in israel give money to hamas in gaza, hamas has no interest in breaking the impasse in gaza. but the conditions in gaza are so dire for many years, and it's the biggest open air prison in the world. now, obviously, nojustifying what's happening today. and, you know, it's a rolling event and it seems to be that there were civilian casualties and also possibly hostage situation, but i think we always need to look into the political situation and what the lack of any hope and political horizon that leads also to violence. and what do you think the israeli response is going to look like? because, as we mentioned there, israel's defence minist

now, here is leslie vinjamuri from chatham house. ny number of issues are coming up and certainly border security has been a long—standing one. it's now because of that pressure to keep the government funded. building a border wall was one of trump's signature policies, but for biden's administration, well, this move is a real first. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. let's look at some other stories making news. a group of 65 mps and peers is calling for a ban on the use of live facial recognition technology for public surveillance. the cameras, which were used by police at the king's coronation earlier this year, have been outlawed in the eu. it's understood the hs2 rail link to london euston won't go ahead unless the project secures enough private investment. although the prime minister announced that the leg from birmingham to manchester was being scrapped, he insisted the line would run to central london. if private funding is not secured, the line will only run from birmingham to old oak common. moderna says i

let's go 23, an associate fellow at chatham house. i think the quote was, when the time comes. rockets have been fired from syria. the us secretary of state is doing his diplomatic tour trying to stop regional powers getting involved. but what do you think in terms of the likelihood of this spreading? i think hezbollah is going to be very cautious about entering into a large—scale operation. we have seen rockets fired at the north, three hezbollah operators were killed by israel when they tried to infiltrate. there is definitely movement in the north, but israel has made it very clear it is going to hold the lebanese government, not just hezbollah, responsible for any serious attack and i think they will be very cautious. and i read the deputy leader of hezbollah's announcement yesterday, his press conference very clearly that they are willing to wait and they take a long view, long—term view on it and not necessarily a short—term view. so i don't necessarily think a massive front on the north is going to open up. i massive front on t

london, you'll see medical bug associate fellow in the middle east and north africa program at chatham house in birmingham, scott lucas, professor, the tents and institute at university college, dublin is also a founder and editor of a will view and use analysis sides. and also in london is rocks on from on for money on, profess of martin, at least politics at the university of cambridge hello to you all. thank you. very much for joining us. so let's talk about the possibility that israel is under pressure to delay its ground defensive. starting with you. you'll see i'm from what we see in a problem with discussing all of this military plans a secret, but from what we hear in the reports, we hear israel has already delayed this several times. the good in the way is, is we from this c, or was it might be actually a good use that those are the day in the ready to action because you know exactly what the consequences on, you know, the consequences of such. ready goals will send students, it's bound to cost many, many lice. and i think that all they send it, lisa, so there's a, there's a device

you'll see medical book associate fellow in the middle east and north africa program at chatham house in birmingham, scott lucas, professor, the tents and institute at university college. dublin. he's also a founder and editor of a, a will view, a news analysis site and also in london. is roxan farm on for money on profess of molten middle east politics at the university of cambridge hello to you all. thank you very much for joining us. oh, so let's talk about the possibility that israel is under pressure to delay its ground. defensive starting with you, you'll see from what we hear. no problem with discussing all of this military plans a secret, but from what we hear in the reports, we hear israel is already delayed the several times. a good in the way is, is we for this see, or was, it might be actually a good news that there was a day in there, maybe so that i should because you know exactly what the consequences on, you know, the consequences of such. ready gums will send students, it's bound to cost many, many lice, and i think that all they send it, lisa, so they're a lives on t

kinninmont, impact director at the european leadership network and formerly covering the middle east at chatham housentelligence unit. so good to have you on the programme, thank you for taking the time to speak to us. let me ask you about the rafah crossing in particular, we have been focusing very much on that today. he was at home might be wondering why each chapter is notjust opening the crossing and let those people who need to come out leave, and much—needed aid to go in. the much-needed aid to go in. the situation is _ much—needed aid to go in. tue: situation is desperate much—needed aid to go in. tte: situation is desperate for all of these civilians and clearly there are many calls for egypt to open the crossing. a complicating factor is this is a conflict where previously large numbers of palestinians have been displaced and have never been able to return to their homes. egypt's's concern is that potentially some 2 million palestinians could come into egypt and never be able to go back. it is not only that egypt does not want to integrate an extra 2 million people into its own quite poor ec

live now to dr tobias bock — senior research fellow for middle east security studies at chatham house what is happening now? tt is what is your assessment of what is happening now?— happening now? it is a dramatic escalation _ happening now? it is a dramatic escalation of— happening now? it is a dramatic escalation of the _ happening now? it is a dramatic escalation of the conflict, - happening now? it is a dramatic escalation of the conflict, a - escalation of the conflict, a conflict which i think many had more or less forgotten about or preferred not to think about too much because it is so intractable. so this is a massive escalation, i think the opening of a new chapter, and regionally too it does matter. quite a lot of analysis is immediately about how this conflict is all about regional issues, and i think we have to be a bit careful there to really see this as primarily a conflict thatis see this as primarily a conflict that is between palestinians and israelis but obviously it will have regional implications too. what israelis but obviously it will have regional implications

professor yossi mekelberg who is an associate fellow, at the middle east and north africa programme at chatham houseis reaction to the events in the region. i think it's a difficult morning, no doubt, in israel. and israel was caught sleeping, literally, in this case. and i think both operationally and perceptually, they had the idea that something like this won't happen. for months, the assumption in israel, the perception is that since economic conditions in israel, funneling money to hamas in gaza, hamas has no interest in breaking the impasse in gaza. but the conditions in gaza are so dire for many years, and it's the biggest open—air prison in the world. now, obviously, nojustifying what's happening today. and, you know, it's a rolling event and it seems to be that there were civilian casualties and also possibly hostage situation, but i think we always need to look into the political situation and what the lack of any hope and political horizon that in political horizon that leads also to violence. i think always this was the expectation to achieve, from a hamas point of view, even at this sta

. >> joining me now the director of the us and america's program at chatham house. thank you for joining us today leslie. first of all it's interesting isn't the way biden has tied in israel budget to the ukraine budget. what chances do you think he hasbeen getting them through together ? >> you know that's right, it is very interesting. the case for support for israel is strong in congress and we know that the case for supportive aid to ukraine has come under attack from various parts of the congress. so tying them together is a risky political move but a powerful speech at a time when again american support if you look at the polling is actually quite strong still for supporting a ukraine so that the pushback is coming really more from congress. but that support for israel is very strong. the president was taking the risk at making a case for democracy and for america's internationalist agenda at a time where we know that the much harder case to make. the president has link this to the 9/11attack and america's memory of trying to respond to terrorism . and of cour

i associate fellow, middle east and north africa programme at chatham house.poles have just finished casting their votes in what some have described as the most significant elections since the end of communism. the right—wing law and justice party is seeking to secure a third term in office, locked in a fierce battle with the liberal opposition led by former european council president donald tusk. according to the the first exit poll released in the last few minutes, the governing law &justice party might be short of a majority, opening the the possibility that opposition parties could take power in a coalition. let's go live now to warsaw. explain the background to this election because it has been a bitterly fought campaign, hasn't it? it has. it has revealed a very polarised, divided country here in poland where there have been a two camps battling it out to the very end, those who support the law and justice party, a right—wing party, and those who back the main opposition here, the civic coalition, whose headquarters we are at right now. they were battlin

dr sanam vakil she is the director of the middle east & north africa programme at chatham house, a thinkeen standing by. i was listening tojeremy you have been standing by. i was listening to jeremy there, it's extraordinary this story in the middle east was not really in the headlines a week ago, the national security adviser at the white house was telling us that the middle east was telling us that the middle east was taking less and less of his time. oh begone, we are on the brink of what? fin time. oh begone, we are on the brink of what? , ~' ., of what? on the brink of disaster. that is where _ of what? on the brink of disaster. that is where we _ of what? on the brink of disaster. that is where we are. _ of what? on the brink of disaster. that is where we are. this - of what? on the brink of disaster. that is where we are. this speaks j of what? on the brink of disaster. i that is where we are. this speaks of the hubris of western governments and the inattentiveness to a crisis that those of us that work on the middle east and have been watching new has been simmering for so long. a

she's also an associate fellow of the international security programme at the chatham house think tankut what is being called a hostage situation. do we know at this point how many people have been taken hostage? yes. this point how many people have been taken hostage?— taken hostage? yes, so we think it is around 150 _ taken hostage? yes, so we think it is around 150 hostages. _ taken hostage? yes, so we think it is around 150 hostages. i— taken hostage? yes, so we think it is around 150 hostages. i think i taken hostage? yes, so we think it| is around 150 hostages. i think that israel is saying they are doing a pretty good job of figuring out who is being taken and who is unaccounted for. it is great that they are now convening a situation room behind the scenes. they have clearly been bringing some of that together. in recent days have heard reports that the american sent in their best hostage expertise. the more folks they can get into that room and get working on this, the better. , , ., ., , room and get working on this, the better. , ._ p better. this is a really difficult situa

she's now an associate fellow at the international security programme at chatham house. someone who has experience of working at the united nations, and just listening to what our correspondent at the un said, how useful a body is the security council right and out it when comes to resolving this ongoing situation? i think the security council is quite a dated body, the five permanent members of the security council with the five states holding nuclear arsenals in 1945, at the end of the second world war. there has been much discussion of reform of the security council, but it hasn't happened yet, and as we can see, they are constantly at loggerheads, given that the five permanent members of the security council have veto power, it is unlikely they will be able to reach any resolution that will end the war. i be able to reach any resolution that will end the war.— will end the war. i think we are bein: will end the war. i think we are being told _ will end the war. i think we are being told that _ will end the war. i think we are being told that russia - will end the war

in a speech at chatham house in central london, he acknowledged "the rising temperature on british streetseak, that would leave hamas with the infrastructure and the capability to carry out the sort of attack we saw on october the 7th. attacks that are still ongoing. hostages who should be released still held. hamas would be emboldened, and start preparing for future violence immediately. but the scottish labour leader anas sarwar said sir keir had "hurt" muslim communities by suggesting israel had a right to withhold water and energy from the people of gaza. a comment he said that did not represent his "position" on the crisis. we are also desperate for peace, and desperate for the end of violence. access to humanitarian supplies', electricity, food supplies, into gaza. an immediate cessation of violence and the end to rocket fire into and out of gaza. that means a cease—fire right now. there is huge anger on the hard left that sir keir has suspended andy mcdonald, the mp for middlesbrough, after he made reference to a chant that is perceived by many to be anti—semitic while attending a p

the region with nomi bar—yaacov, associate fellow for the international security programme at chatham housest minister under theresa may. welcome, both of you. nomi, first of all, the views of rana, she thinks it is israeli soldiers, it is soldiers, that have been killed, and it's not civilians in southern israel. ., �* ~ ., , israel. so, i don't know if she really thinks _ israel. so, i don't know if she really thinks that _ israel. so, i don't know if she really thinks that or - israel. so, i don't know if she really thinks that or if - israel. so, i don't know if she really thinks that or if she i israel. so, i don't know if she i really thinks that or if she feels that she has to say that, because hamas is not ruling over the civilians in gaza in a democratic fashion, so they are not really free. and i am not in a position to judge whether she actually believes that but i suspect that she has seen the videos that they have been publicising on their estate, sorry, not state, on their television, hamas television channel, and they've been broadcasting their videos of the horrific atrociti

vinjamuri: you put a lot on the table and first of all, chatham house doesn't have a singular view onhis and there is a lot of contest about how the u.s. and the west and europe should engage with the broader question of israel and palestine in the u.s. support for israel is steadfast. there is a growing and enduring support for a two state solution but the second thing you put on the table is the question of history and i want to bring our attention to jake sullivan's magnificent audit -- article published yesterday. he said states have many things but it is not about history or power. it is about the choices you make and how you deploy them and what we see, people are lurching back into historical grievances when one needs to be done right now is to deal with the context as it is in this particular moment. with sensitivity towards the grievances but with a recognition that israel has a right to defend itself, there is a severe humanitarian crisis within gaza. there is an effort to get humanitarianism in, and the diplomacy that is at work is a short-term effort to avoid more people g

tom: you are the chatham house voice, transatlantic, and you have thought about it.here are the leaders meeting? jonathan: granada, spain. tom: people on fragile boats crossing th mediterranean and here crossing the rio grande. do you see any indication that the democrats will wake up? leslie: would president biden said yesterday, this is clearly a president who is looking and understanding that a lot of the electoral pressure -- if you look at the issues that americans care about, migration is high. it will play more and more as we move into primary season. i think that they will be increased sensitivity from the democrats. tom: it is not the bronx. what is he going to do down there? jonathan: we spoke with the governor -- leslie: i think this is a tricky calculation. there is a timing question. to your question about europe, the same thing. we had the conservative party conference in the u.k.. we have seen those point to the far right on migration. there is a desire by others to be more moderate. as the far right becomes more powerful and the numbers become more vi

now, here is leslie vinjamuri from chatham house. les taylor, formerly chief of staff at the us department of homeland security. miles, to you on the wall first. surprising or not? i miles, to you on the wall first. surprising or not?— surprising or not? i don't think it's surprising _ surprising or not? i don't think it's surprising at _ surprising or not? i don't think it's surprising at all. _ surprising or not? i don't think it's surprising at all. i - surprising or not? i don't think it's surprising at all. i think- surprising or not? i don't think i it's surprising at all. i think what is lost in this conversation is that with government appropriations timelines and contracting timelines, when these things happen, they don't happen because the president went to sleep one night and woke up is that i want to build more border wall. they happen because of multi—year planning about how to increase security in various sectors, but here is the important thing to note. there is a crisis at that us southern border, and joe biden has rea

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with me is bronwen maddox, the head of the security and foreign affairs think tank, chatham house.bout. we had yesterday hezbollah saying it is fully ready to get involved when the time comes —— we heard. can this be stopped and this conflict be contained? this -- we heard. can this be stopped and this conflict be contained?— this conflict be contained? this is one of the _ this conflict be contained? this is one of the big — this conflict be contained? this is one of the big risks, _ this conflict be contained? this is one of the big risks, that - this conflict be contained? this is one of the big risks, that it - one of the big risks, that it spreads into something much wider in the region and hezbollah is the big risk. it is a formidable fighting organisation, much stronger than hamas, has lots of rockets and technology and is sitting and waiting. there are lots of reasons why it might not want to do this. lebanon is in a state of upheaval itself. hezbollah, which is also involved in the government, has to consider that. involved in the government, has to considerthat. but invol

can speak now to nomi bar—yaacov, associate fellow in the international security programme at chatham houseit overcrowded, hit by an explosion yesterday in which hundreds of civilians died. that will have a big impact on the massive vip visit here today. joe biden the us president currently in talks with israel because �*s covenant and who had been hoping then to go on to amman in jordan with arab leaders in the hope of putting some garment of the situation. what does it look like now for him? i situation. what does it look like now for him?— situation. what does it look like now for him? ~ , , now for him? i think it is extremely complicated — now for him? i think it is extremely complicated for— now for him? i think it is extremely complicated for him. _ now for him? i think it is extremely complicated for him. it _ now for him? i think it is extremely complicated for him. it is _ now for him? i think it is extremely complicated for him. it is a - now for him? i think it is extremely complicated for him. it is a pivotal| complicated for him. it is a pivotal moment at the moment in the con

, and thatis program at chatham house, and that is professor yossi mekelberg, an and hello.you with us this morning. now, the world absolutely sympathises with israel after what happened last week . what happened last week. however, the question here is if lots of civilians is as a result of the israeli retaliation , die of the israeli retaliation, die or get injured , do you think or get injured, do you think that sympathy dodi from the international community will move on or stop? good morning. >> yes , there's no doubt what >> yes, there's no doubt what haiti is a last week created this kind of sympathy and empathy with the suffering of so many innocent people , the loss many innocent people, the loss of life of and so many taking hostages and we don't know what conditions are. but at the same time, this is not only about the sympathy , it's also about the sympathy, it's also about the solution heading. if it's heading to the killing of so many innocent palestinians and increase the suffering of people thatis increase the suffering of people that is already suffered so, s

general injerusalem, and is an associate fellow of the middle east and north africa programme at chatham housere we are now? facing a long war. we had an important _ where we are now? facing a long war. we had an important moment - where we are now? facing a long war. we had an important moment last - we had an important moment last night when the international community voted on what the un secretary—general and the regional arab powers are calling for, namely e humanitarian ceasefire or pause. for two purposes, to allow negotiations over hostages and also to get supplies into gaza to avert the imminent total disaster which faces the people of gaza, as the un have made clear repeatedly. but at that point, the atlantic community, with the us in the lead, chose to give priority to israeli war aims. but without at all being clear with their own citizens, certainly in the case of the uk, what war aims we are supposed to be supporting. so, yes, it is going to be much worse over the coming period than it has been even over the last couple of weeks. israel has clearly laid out its intention. the key

protests demanding an immediate ceasefire in gaza crowded the labour leader's car as he left chatham housebut in his speech, sir keir argued that could risk more violence in the region, giving hamas a chance to carry out more attacks . carry out more attacks. >> at every stage during this crisis, my approach has been dnven crisis, my approach has been driven by the need to respond to both of these tragedies , to both of these tragedies, to stand by the right to self—defence of any nation which suffers terrorism on this scale . suffers terrorism on this scale. alongside the basic human rights of innocent palestinians , caught of innocent palestinians, caught once again in in the crossfire plans to close ticket offices at train stations have been called off. >> the transport secretary asked train operators this morning to withdraw the controversial proposal to shut offices in england. a public consultation received the largest ever response with the rmt union, saying respondents ovennhelmingly oppose the closures. mark harper says the plan didn't meet the high threshold of serving rail passe