listen to what muammar gaddafi says: 4 months, 4 months you are bombing our country, everyone is afraidf condemnation, if there were still russia in the world, real russia, a united and great russia that protected the weak, you wouldn’t dare, but it doesn’t exist. it is gone, and you are triumphant, countries are being destroyed, thousands of people are being killed, look, this is a photograph taken during the bloody gaddafi regime, this is a photograph of the same place, after democracy collapsed on this country. concentrate, because we began to understand the conditions in which the atlantic expansion puts us, we find ourselves absolutely defenseless, defense systems are being installed along the borders of our country, what does this mean, this means that it becomes absolutely defenseless against other nuclear powers, which are defeated by noble intentions, but with what shepherd simplicity... usa, this was announced in 2017: being a force for good throughout its history, america will use its influence to advance our interests. of all humanity, be stunned, i repeat, listen carefully,

gaddafi killed. since gaddafi was then killed.w of migrants and complete anarchy in libya, which has destabilised the world. did we have a proper plan then? >> we had no plan . i mean, the >> we had no plan. i mean, the only plan at the time was just to pulverise lies. libya in the same way, we had no plan after iraq. um, and, and i think that that was apart from the west point of view, that was unconscionable that the idea you could go in and do those things, topple regimes, which is what happened in both places. and i have idea of aftermath, have no idea of the aftermath, um, causes all sorts of um, that causes all sorts of problems. i the syrian war problems. i mean, the syrian war wouldn't happened if it wouldn't have happened if it hadnt wouldn't have happened if it hadn't for iraq, or at hadn't been for iraq, or at least not happened in the same way that it did. because you wouldn't have had islamic state coming into the that coming into the vacuum that we left after toppling saddam. >> and paul , the thing about >> and paul

gaddafi killed. since gaddafi was then killed. a flow of migrants and complete anarchy in libya, which has destabilised the world. did we have a proper plan then? >> we had no plan . i mean, the >> we had no plan. i mean, the only plan at the time was just to pulverise lies. libya in the same way, we had no plan after iraq. um, and, and i think that that was apart from the west point of view, that was unconscionable that the idea you could go in and do those things, topple regimes, which is what happened in both places. and i have idea of aftermath, have no idea of the aftermath, um, causes all sorts of um, that causes all sorts of problems. i the syrian war problems. i mean, the syrian war wouldn't happened if it wouldn't have happened if it hadnt wouldn't have happened if it hadn't for iraq, or at hadn't been for iraq, or at least not happened in the same way that it did. because you wouldn't have had islamic state coming into the that coming into the vacuum that we left after toppling saddam. >> and paul , the thing about >> an

example , of bosnia or the allies of great britain and the united states in counteracting muammar gaddafiticular the de facto mi6 agent anas allibi, whom many years later the united states will try to kidnap from libya, he will die suddenly in an american prison, he was maintained by omi6 in order to destroy muammar gaddafi in the nineties, to counter shiite iran, which was their principle. opponents and to solve a variety of problems in different countries and regions of the world, most importantly, they helped these islamists master, managed to teach them all these modern means, internet and mobile, in order to organize these well- organized performances , then in one place, then in another, launch some kind of attacks, terrorist attacks using this sophisticated technology. it cannot always be found where the united states declares a military operation to combat international terrorism, i managed to meet with the ideological leader, so to speak, with the father of this hezbollah party, and he was just telling where the roots of this movement come from, and what it is not terror at all,

gaddafi killing his own people, it was right— gaddafi killing his own people, it was right to give thatto — that i take. can i move us to the other end, to morocco? - that i take. can i move us to the other end, to morocco? i - that i take. can i move us to the other end, to morocco? i will. other end, to morocco? i will declare my interest in that i was a guest of the moroccan parliament on a visit in october of 2022, refer to my member's declaration of interest. morocco is a stable country with a functioning democracy. it is of huge strategic importance to the uk and we have a long—standing relationship with it. would you agree, and what would you do as foreign secretary, to further the partnership that we have with this country that is so important geopolitically and can supply us with green energy and has just built this massive port that is doing so much to help international trade into africa? first doing so much to help international trade into africa?— trade into africa? first of all, i have spoken — trade into africa? first of all, i have spoken to _ trade into africa? first of

territories such as bosnia or allies of great britain , the united states in opposition to muammar gaddafiarticular a de facto agent. islamists, managed to teach them all these modern means, internet and mobile, in order to organize these well-organized performances. now in one place, now in another, to organize some kind of attacks, terrorist attacks, with the help of this sophisticated technology, which was not even so well used, including by official damascus, in this sense, this is also, now there is a war, as you you see, it is very multifaceted, this is what is called a hybrid war, one of its most important components is the impact on minds, today international terrorism has become such a universal bogeyman. although, of course, there really is a problem, it is much more complex, complex, and its roots cannot always be found where the united states declares a military operation to combat international terrorism. i managed to meet with the ideological leader, so to speak, with the father of this hezbollah party, and he was just telling me where the roots of this come from. we watch to

saddam hussein, muammar gaddafi, slobodan milosevic, did any of these guys get an arrest warrant, didy of them get charged? no, one even received the nobel peace prize, obama. wake up, my beloved midshipman krivoruchka told me during our discussions, sailor mikhalkov, look for fools in the mirror, he is instead fools said a different word, rougher, but more precise, and now i want to tell you, look in the mirror for those whom swordsman krivorochka suggested i look for, you know this joke, what is the similarity between piggy, macron. with wonderful music, painting , with wonderful cinema, with wonderful nature with wonderful people, musical, sympathetic, hospitable, this country was called georgia, in 1801 it joined russia, because it was on the verge of complete extermination by the persians and turks. i didn’t remember how he was, with what appetite, he ate his tie, gave an interview to the bbc tv channel, saakashvili unleashed a bloodbath against the little one. abkhazia and south ossetia, which did not want to live according to the laws that we proposed to them, like donbass, by

council, interpreted them in their own way, carried out strikes, having previously disarmed muammar gaddafi, now they are striking at yemen, at syria, the israelis are also striking at syria, and in december they carried out a strike, as a result of which iranian general mousavi died, and 4 years ago the americans killed qasim soleimani with the help of a drone and that’s all. they thought it was on iraqi territory at baghdad international airport, and the iranian delegation was then met by iraqi officials, who also died. the americans kept thinking that this supposed order would last forever, but no, and even america’s closest allies have long called it disorder. saudi arabia objected to the us war in iraq in 2003, saying it would be a complete disorder and chaos. turned out to be right, because they live in this region, but now a retaliatory strike is coming, the iranians looked at this, looked, and now struck three states at once, and in one case this was agreed with the syrian government and the strikes were carried out on the northern the syrian province of idlip, which the assad gover

that's what and this is what other people they destroy so many they see how they destroy libya. kill gaddafi and destroy the whole country, the whole country is now a mess, you see how they destroy so many countries, so for fear of that, others have to you know to to succump, not because they want, and that's how they post them also to these arab countries you to to normalize with israel at the same time they were killing palestinians, see how the the the the president of the illegal state of israel was in in united arab emirates, you know, attending a conference and shaking hand with their kings, at the same time they were, this uh atrocities have been committed against palestinians, what does it mean uh, you talked about uh the western countries when we're talking about palestine earlier and their silence, but but we look at the muslim countries, the arab countries, especially those... um near occupied palestine, and nothing is being said, the muslim ummah and others, as we see during the situation in gaza right now, are very upset, they want things done, they want a cease fire, they want

society and the libyan government by using british jihadis to go to fight their holy war against gaddafi, so i have no doubt that no matter who claims this, this goes back to the people, we also killed the lutenant general at damascus, killed sh aluri in uh and killed the pmu commanders in baghdad. and this is a signal from the west uh to to to continue to threaten through violence, the sovereign nations uh within the region, but also i felt it was an opportunity to try and drag the access of resistance into a food scale war, which would be to the benefit of israel and at this moment in time to the detriment of the access of resistance. thank you for like to also welcome mr. mustafa faturi, libyaan academic and journalist joining us from uh triple, hello, mr. faturi, welcome to the conversation here, your initial thoughts on fraud mentioned how there's been a calculated targeting in the region of resistance figures, and then this, this very peculiar timing of the suspicious timing, i should say, this act of terrorism in kermon, iran, what do you make of it sir? well, it's uh pleasure to

that he has met with yasir arafat that he is meeting with the iranian, they meeting with the with gaddafi and with al-asad in syria and those are considered as terrorists in in in in in the united states and as he said in the world he said if you know that those country and those leaders of those country they are the one who supported our fight against apartide and it was the united states and countries like israel and other european country who are actually were supporting the the apartite government in south africa and he ended his uh his answer by one man terrorism is another man freedom fighter and this is actually what kasim sulaimani is for all muslim for all resistance across the world he is a freedom fighter. for the resistant iraq's former prime minister nurial maliki has praised the lady iranian general assam sulaimani for the role he played in the anti-terrorism fight uh in iraq he said that iraq would have failed to defeat daj terrorists if it was not for general suleimani's assistance so what does that speak about uh the the position that uh general sulaimoni has as being an

so on, we saw that with the treatment of saddam hussein in iraq, we saw that with the treatment of gaddafi in libya, we saw it in in ukraine, and we've seen it over and over and over, now the problem with that is that that was based a flawed conception that the rest of the world wanted the us to be the soul superpower, in fact there's a total rebellion against that today, "and the spearhead of that is the bricks and i would say today it's the palestinian movement in uh israel in gaza and in the west bank, which is saying no to imperial arrogance, so the the problem for the the us is that this has nothing to do with us security, in fact us policy has been to increase terrorism, we saw it in afghanistan, we've seen it elsewhere, so the the question that has to be posed to the american..." is when will you learn the lesson? and as you point out, the lack of accountability has destroyed the credibility of the united states. how can blincan go around the world talking about the rules-based order? when the us is the largest violator of of international law. forget the idea of rules, the us makes

frankie, gaddafi you with us.deal looks like. the you be describing it as not perfect, but one that gets them back around the table —— ddu p. what do you make of the detail that we had today and what difference do they make day—to—day —— dup. goad they make day-to-day -- dup. good evenina. they make day-to-day -- dup. good evening- as — they make day-to-day -- dup. good evening- as a — they make day-to-day -- dup. good evening. as a community, _ they make day—to—day —— dup. (13mm evening. as a community, we're delighted that a deal has been reached, no functioning executive can get back hopefully in the next couple of days, which is really important for public services. in terms of what's in the deal itself, where working our way through the that sets out the main issues and some legislation which has been released. essentially, it should reduce certain checks in relation to retail goods coming into northern ireland and stay in northern ireland, and we've been for some time in the business community, but thatis ti

that much money colonel gaddafi.h money he's got, like, you know, hippopotamus and flamingo money. that money, pablo that level of money, pablo escobar people like that. >> they like the powder. that's how you get have billion. how you get to have 5 billion. yeah. don't get to have, yeah. you don't get to have, like, 1 billion. then just yeah. you don't get to have, like, a billion. then just yeah. you don't get to have, like, a day)n. then just yeah. you don't get to have, like, a day off. then just yeah. you don't get to have, like, a day off. do then just yeah. you don't get to have, like, a day off. do you1 just yeah. you don't get to have, like, a day off. do you enjoy it? take a day off. do you enjoy it? it's the mindset . it's not the mindset. >> did how did >> yeah. and how did how did they this money i wonder they get this money i wonder where comes you where this money comes from. you know, all donations know, all all these donations that gaza. sure know, all all these donations thatsure gaza. sure know, al

council, interpreted them in their own way, attacked strikes, having previously disarmed muammar gaddafis are being carried out on yemen, syria and... iraq at the international airport of baghdad, and the iranian delegation was then met by iraqi officials, who also died. the americans kept thinking that this supposed order would work. basharad, they were betting on someone, on radicals, on islamists in syria, just a few days ago, the israelis launched another strike on syria, which surprised me, because this time the strike was not on pro-iranian groups, one of the members of the syrian leadership was killed liberation army, this is an opposition group that... was led by the americans, i looked, and why did the israelis suddenly hit one of the representatives, but because the israelis discovered that this group and some of its militants maintained ties with the radical hamas movement in palestine, so why did you in washington rely on the islamic radicals who negotiated with the taliban in afghanistan, considered by... the un definition according to our terrorist lists, is still considere

. >> we get rid of gaddafi again, not a good guy . >> we get rid of gaddafi again, not a good guy.et rid of gaddafi again, not a good guy . but libya then not a good guy. but libya then becomes the launch pad 1.5 becomes the launch pad for 1.5 million enter europe. million people to enter europe. so i worry that actually a rush towards war with yemen or in yemen , um, is not being thought yemen, um, is not being thought through. and that's not a good thing. >> okay. what do you make of this? what else? what else could we being the americans and the british and the other ten countries that are involved in what else could we do? >> well, i think that firstly, you're not going to be able to secure more sustainable stability in the region unless there is over time, the striking of a peace settlement in relation to israel—palestine. i think that's what it truly boils down to. i agree with much of what aaron said. actually i know that that's not something that you may not want to hear. >> dawn, the other other stories , the is, i think , but the reality is, i think that people who questi

boots on ground but i think trace think of 1986, going way back, when ronald reagan struck muammar gaddafie from him for a long time, a message was sent deterrence established. a similar forceful message needs to be sent to the houthis and their masters in tehran. >> trace: i want to play this sound bite john kirby talking about timing. watch. >> we're not looking for a war. we're not looking to expand this. houthis have a choice to make and they still have time to make the right choice which is to stop these reckless attacks. >> trace: they have time. how much time do we give them? it's been a hundred plus days eric. your final thoughts on this. >> yeah, this is my eve ta trace. the houthis aren't going to suddenly change their spots and the iranian regime isn't going to change its spots so the only message the houthis will understand and grasp is one of force i'm sad to say but that's the only thing a truly decisive forceful action, not defensive but going on the offense against the houthis will be the only thing that gets the message across. >> trace: it appears that way. eric stackle b

muammar gaddafi , the past. muammar gaddafi, amongst others.w it's deepening relationship with the iranian regime . so with the iranian regime. so support for terrorism is nothing new. the reason that the united states condemnation of this is so critical is because what south africa is applying for is essentially a provisional measure that the court order israel to stop its defence, its actions, military campaign against some 40,000 hamas terrorists . and that has terrorists. and that has implications for all law abiding states , the us. the uk included . states, the us. the uk included. and we should be hearing more from those law abiding countries against this initiative . against this initiative. >> thank you very much , natasha >> thank you very much, natasha hausdorf. well that concludes the first hour of sunday with michael portillo. i will be back in a few minutes to discuss whether the west should take military action against the houthis yemen , and i'll be houthis of yemen, and i'll be discussing the resignation of the harvard presiden

isis didn't even exist before we were promised by gaddafi that if we got rid of him, 5 million people cross the mediterranean . would cross the mediterranean. it's not quite been 5 million, but the general direction of travel right. and cameron travel is right. and cameron today we were trying today says we were trying to provide this provide a brighter future. this was policy. was a catastrophic policy. >> the great tragedy of the west is , is, is they haven't realised is, is, is they haven't realised you can't intervene a little and the lesson is you have to intervene a lot. but we no longer have the capacity, the energy or the political vision to intervene at scale. look at the intervention by the western powers in afghanistan and then biden hurried and bloody, uh , biden hurried and bloody, uh, evacuation. we don't have a choice, unfortunately , charlie, choice, unfortunately, charlie, the choice isn't to retreat because because the destabilisation abroad will visit us at home, not just through migration , but through through migration, but through terror acts . so we've got to, i

i held a candlelit vigil for him as he left after he was sacked for taking £1.5 million from the gaddafithat would say something about his judgement howard judgement, but no. so howard davies great advantage in life is that he was born in the 1950s because when he was getting on the housing ladder, the average home in this country cost four times the average income. so if he had a wife at the time, that's a pretty good deal. how much do you think it is today? well, in most of the country it's 8 or 9 times the average income for a house in a city like london, it's 12 times times the average salary. but to put that in context , it the average salary. but to put that in context, it is as difficult now for the average earner to buy a house as it was in the 1870s. that is how far back we've got. and yet you still hear people, old boomers , still hear people, old boomers, rich boomers like sir howard davies saying that if only you forfeited that netflix account or you didn't have that cheeky latte, then you'd be on the housing ladder. the truth is that our housing market is totally broken. we

. >> it didn't have it didn't have you as a big gaddafi fan. >> no. we credit where credit is due . where credit is due. >> you don't have to be a fan to acknowledge is performing. >> you don't think it >> you know, i don't think it was uh , missed by was entirely, uh, missed by people knew they were people who knew what they were talking the time. and talking about at the time. and they to isis. but they gifted libya to isis. but that's another for another that's another story for another night. have in the night. but now we have in the centre of the page, we have a picture of donald trump, quite cheerful, understandably, with boxes of pizza. this is the iowa caucus tonight, officially , caucus tonight, officially, republican primaries start right. and as if donald trump needed any help, which he doesn't because he is miles ahead of his two chasers. it's going to be minus nine degrees celsius, which favours the sort of ardent supporters who would get out to vote, which donald trump. that's true. >> although when it comes to the actual election, you n

people said the same thing about libyans barbaric libyans who hated the barbaric regime of colonel gaddafi asylum seeker kyrees abdallah from killing three men and seriously injuring three men and seriously injuring three other people in a raiding park, people said. syrians hated the barbaric regime of bashar al—assad, but it didn't stop islamic extremist emad al swealmeen , who claimed to be a swealmeen, who claimed to be a christian fleeing persecution in syria from bombing a maternal hospital in liverpool. this pastor was only averted when his bombed detonated prematurely. people said iraqis hated the barbaric regime of saddam hussein, but it didn't stop . hussein, but it didn't stop. extremist iraqi asylum seeker ahmad hassan from attempting mass murder in the parsons green bombing and across the middle east and africa, people sought refuge from persecution by isis, but it didn't stop eritrean asylum seeker muktar said. ibrahim attempts mass murder as one of the failed london underground bombers. of course i'm not suggesting that every asylum seeker or muslim hates the west or wants to

it's where the pilots who attacked, um, gaddafi's libya took off from.h fighter, 48th fighter wing. thank you. steve, they've got the world's best pilots there. and if you put the best pilots and the best planes with ability to put with the ability to put a nuclear weapon on the end of a missile, that must worry that madman putin and all the other people who have declared war against the west . against the west. >> and do you think there would be slightly different, um , be a slightly different, um, approach if putin wasn't in power? i mean , there's been power? i mean, there's been a security expert today, a security expert today, a security intelligence expert, intelligence expert . sorry. intelligence expert. sorry. professor anthony glees , who's professor anthony glees, who's saying that the nation should be prepared for conscription within six years unless putin is defeated now, six years from now. what's that? beginning of 2030? look, i think not very long. >> i think this is all madness about you know, war with russia and all that kind of stuff.