now the i c j, i think that no more efforts can be done for palestinians, and that was the last step that could be done towards design to save the lives of fellow citizens and goes on to this madness. and we don't see at election. and unfortunately, they have to send a had very responsibilities because we wouldn't hit this one is the best. okay, in front of us on the history, it's in the body. what are the implications and for the as really political establishment on, on deciding whether to comply or not with the course professional orders. and as is israel ministry in lock step here with the government or is, or is there some on the use in the ministry are i'm sure there is a news at the level of both political and military leadership, a news about being put under scrutiny. and i think on these, at the tremendous moral and political loss that they have incurred by now being found to be plausibly committing genocide, particularly given that as real as so reliance on the good will of western public opinion. and much of that support comes from the image of israel as being somehow repar

the nation now the i c. j. i think that no more efforts can be done for palestinians, and that was the last step that could be done towards designed to save the lives of fat athenians and goes on to this madness. and we don't see at election, and unfortunately they have to send, had very sponsibility is because we went ahead and responsible. okay, in front of us on the history thing. what normal body, what are the implications then for the as really political establishment on, on deciding whether to comply or not with the course professional orders and as is israel ministry in lock step here with the government or is, or is there some on the east and the ministry i'm, i'm sure there is a news at the level of both the political and military leadership needs of all being put under scrutiny. and i think on these, at the tremendous moral and political loss that they have incurred by now being found to be plausibly committing genocide, particularly given that as real as so reliance on the goodwill of western public o

this could be a strong case for the i. c. c to prosecute is riley soldiers, officials for atrocities committed against the people of gaza. are you that you should that be a case to be prosecuted? i am, but we know that we know that the boss of the prosecutor has at the file opened. he is investigating the situation in palestine. sadly he's been taking a horribly long time in order to be so. but all of the events that we've seen on folding in the occupied gather stripping, indeed, and occupied palestinian territory since 7, october and before are now increasingly before his team in, in hague. and so there's no reason to not to believe that the matter is more no more urgent for the office, the prosecutor, which, which you should be moving, that as soon as possible. i think i'd like to also offer the following. um, there are about 7 border crossings. with you guys, a strip generally one into egypt and 6 others into israel. and the point that was raised by chris is an extremely important one. that is to say, these roommates are so

from a to a legal standpoint to determine yet whether israel is in breach of the orders issued by the i c, j, requiring it to take steps to protect palestinians rights and to cease or activities that could constitute genocide? i think it is possible. does claim what beth israel is in breach, but israel's also we are saying that his role is also preparing a legal defense. it's not as the 2 for speakers. no, it's not changing really. it's strategy off the ground. but it's actually instituting 3 know the, all the interventions to create a defense 1st. it's on check a series of investigations to particular instance where it says may be war cries were carried out. we, we know that from the cost of these investigations, usually target soldiers, not commanders, and surely about political leaders as if we look at 2014, after israel killed over 2000 pounds spent. yeah, there's only one investigation when rule and then the 2 soldiers were found guilty of the only $200.00 pounds. so i don't think these investigations are serious, legally their value for we also see how israel's a pack are united nat

so i think you're exactly right. whether the c, i a, is just advising the koreans or advising and helping to implement the tax on russian targets along with the ukrainians. then the c, i a has to take it to the responsibility from these attacks, especially when, when they're on civilian targets, accidentally or purposefully. yeah, they like to use the word find the file, not the they so oh yeah. and i also, when i read into the all, to go into a lot about how the c i had been involved in ukraine since 2014. and we thought about what we thought about the special moves overnight. and that started now coming into the, the, but the see i have been there for a long time. clearly, this would worry russia anyway. i'm sure they knew. they didn't really want so much, you know, influence on the board is, isn't this a red flag for any country? a listen, you recognize this as a problem. i recognize this as a problem. i have no idea why i know understanding why not everybody in washington recognizes this as a problem. it's like there's this in

c manager emission follows the i. c j is moving, the israel prevent genocide a while, and spies on forces. its time that the international community and the un itself understand that the owner of the mission has to bend under a sofa punctuating it is self perpetuating also. and it's the desire to keep alive the rescue, the palestinian refugee issue. there are other agencies in the way the other agencies in the world they have to replace on rock and roll is totally infiltrated and come us. it has been in the service of come us and it's schools. and in many other israel's war against under wall continues. now these really prime ministers calling for the closure of the agency, which is a crucial lifeline for desperate. how is teens and guides and you've just heard. prime minister netanyahu chose to speak about it after meeting with foreign and bassett, or as to the un during the visits to israel. and his speech prime minister attacked under the law, but also lashed out at the un itself, claiming it is unbelievably tilted w

it would be very difficult for the us to ignore the i c j's ruling. but i think it's important to keep in mind that these are views itself as an exceptional state is there is closest allies, the united states, and many european states. they agree with that assessment that these or is that exceptional state. and therefore, it can ignore united nations resolutions big can ignore and break international law and get awareness that the fact that the united states has repeatedly ignored un security council resolutions. the fact that the european union is defending the silence of the massacre of now more than 29000 palestinians, tells us that there is this assumption that this is somehow different that international norms, international law don't necessarily apply to it. i completely agree versus the other guests that this will increase the pressure on israel allies, but whether or not we will see some sure of compliance with this, i think remains to be seen my from a, how valid is washington's argument of the data is rails and it's, and it's written submissi

difficult for many european countries to break with precedent to break with their practice of upholding i. c. j will legs of respecting those rulings of at least not appearing to be in contradiction with them. and in that sense, i think we might have a south africa moment at our hand, where by the same countries that supported apartheid, had to india and joined the over welding majority of the world. that said, this is an illegal, immoral regime. and it has to be dismantled, it has to come to an out the front cover of a. do you agree with that? how might the court's opinion impact israel? staunchest allies, israel may be able to ignore the court's opinion, but politically could the us afford to do so. it would be very difficult for the us to ignore the i see j's ruling. but i think it's important to keep in mind that these are views itself as an exceptional state is the closest allies, the united states, and many european states. they agree with that assessment, that these are, is an exceptional state. and therefore, it can ignore united nations resolutions big can ignore and break internati

and against a contractor that the c, i a hired to gather the information. know, however, that the judge ruled against the plaintiffs on 2 other issues. the judge said that they could not sue the c. i a for wiretapping, the embassy, and for listening and on their conversations with besides, this was done with the ecuadorian governments approval. the plaintiff also could not sue for money, but if it is true that the c i received the contents of their phones that were accessed by the contractor, that would be a serious legal violation. the c, i a is not a law enforcement organization. and even if it was, it didn't have a warrant or a court order allowing it to violate the privacy of these americans were joined 1st today by jo loria. he's the editor in chief of consortium news founded by the late robert perry. and he's a former journalist for the boston girl. busy the wall street journal and the times of london. joe, thanks so much for being with us. no problem, john. good to see you. joe. i'd like to start by asking you to explain to our viewers what the proces

and we have out judges also here the i c. c. to make sure that there's no room for impunity protest as in south africa, i'm making that feelings clear right in front of a prominent german institute. it's all about bi limits has continued support, but have a read all of these steps we need to addressing the un security council revealing locals and don't have to know early to well the price they've had to pay for the failure of the middle east. the failure minutes, please. the so your nation's not united an account. so the present night's notice the cube. this is how the people on the ground seat when i spoke to the board, we are talking to pm on tuesday with a ton to talk about live from most of it. but it's a great to have you with us by the way. a police have deployed to a gas in northern india in a bit to stop thousands of protesting farmers from marching on new delhi demonstrate is on demanding minimum crop prices. among other issues. meantime, a ring of steel is also being thrown up all around the capital. the truck is all c

it's on local action and policies in the palestinian territories as a nation makes this case as the i c j the in the nation fall in minnesota. and i know my city stocks out to sierra the in the need just for one minutes, but i have no my so the thank you for talking to allison sierra. thank you for having me. and alicia is one of the countries on the forefront of the case at the international court of justice on the legality. okay. okay. patient on my listing, entire trust me. why is this case so important to indonesia? look at what happened in the last 70 years after. so with this put down, it is killing almost every day, especially currently in an in garza. so the question is, can we stay still the opposite of being this very worrying and sub situation? it is not an indonesia, in particular. our constitution monday about it, about the right to self determination. so it is monday at the end, in our constitution, in indonesian constitution. so there is no other way that indonesia has to be in the forefront for the palestinian because in this case is before the i c j basically have of co

everything that the south african legal team brought to the i c j. but with the i c, j supported a lot of that notion and of how it was that yours diction. it seems very coincidental that a day or that was the same day or day later that is wrong. comes with claims of how it's one rest off being involved with different mazda tech and funding stuff. stuffing it's, it's extremely coincidental owner as a release if it's in the cause of the main life blood and support for high is that right? they have over 13000 stuff and it's the main source of funds that are going into highs. yeah. and so the, to be 2000000 people in the highs are extremely dependent on, on girlfriends. and you know, if you're going to start funds like that, and you're not going to replace it with additional funds, that's going to have catastrophic impacts on the people of heads. but you're talking about a situation we, it's not even under normal circumstances. we humanitarian aid the need for a test for re doubled or tripled under normal circumstances and the full you would expect aid

but it was self africa that brought the case to the i c j, the international court of justice. why? i think we, you, most of remember that to we come from there a similar situation as the of the palestinians. we come from my part the where we went with class to a denial i basic lives in oral data. so the applied of, of by law students we, we, we, we can relate to, um, and that we are not able to be in different sites flight because it's just like i was, it's identical to, to, to apply them via a good me we, we can lead to we came to a conclusion that our struggles with c miller. and then we also came to the conclusion that to the people who are placed us with quite flimsy to i'm, i'm, i'm in the, i bought the side of africa to a very large extent, really timely and, and so on. was maintained by it is right. so so, so, so, so we had all of those covered 92 and we thought that would contact seats and doing that and watch them getting from bed to worse. and that to let us do something, something just to stop the, the every day, the sufferings last friday, the, i think a issue to provisi

eastern santa in gaza has been destroyed by signing the or tag for the support from brussels for the i. c j is decision and goals. israel to implement the runing in full belgium minutes. so i slammed as well from bombing but the actual area is the office building of the belgian agency for development, cooperation in gaza, has been bombed and is completely destroyed. attacking civilian buildings is and remains totally unacceptable. together with hodge, allow the belgian for administer, i will summon the as really ambassador him as her and i'm pro policy and as soon as i hear a, so i believe that often the reason i've seen j welding the deform you will not, is more than just a coincidence, it is wrong about the statements prior to i c j saying that they do not believe that i c j will be really in accordance with our prophetic dismissed everything that the south african legal team brought to the i c j. but with the i c, j supported a lot of that notion and of how it works. that yours diction. it seems very coincidental that a day or day, well the same day or day later, that is wrong, comes w

as you mentioned, there is the route before of the i c j. it did not. i mean the application is not there. and how many you end security considered a solution have already been adopted for the palestinian, including the mentioning of the 2 state solution. so again, the implementation is very important. n, i mean, so many countries saying about international law, international rules based order said implemented in a consistent manner. and that's what you made with double stand. that's why you're talking about come to select the united states or what, what are the, what are you feeling now or having to double spend? well, uh like literally the western countries to the quite often mention about the international law who based but again, at the pressure on it applies to when ever received police also do it in a consistent mentor. but not. and just because if it is big and just then what's happened is on uh, on the palestinian of people is just one of the very best example how double standard a price in our lives. but a new nation has a very close relationshi

last week's i. c. j decision which rule that the country must take all necessary steps to prevent a genocide in the palestinian enclave who was also ordered to allow the delivery of humanitarian aid into gaza. no party to an armed conflict as above international law and the binding decisions of the international court of justice must be complied with. the urgent un appeal comes as a humanitarian crisis and gaza spreads to unprecedented levels with thousands of civilians fleeing, then battle north and south. these displaced residence 1st. a sheltered in el rey law school in western does that, but were then forced to go to the office secondary up north idea of soldiers and vehicles surrounded the area, demolished the schools wall and told the women to move south the fleeting women said they don't know the fate of the men who were left behind and at the road to the camp was extremely dangerous. yeah. and the people were lying dead in the street and dogs were eating their flesh. i saw a dead man thrown on

i was involved at that time. now another point to mentioned really quick is in 2016, the c i a to begin training and it lead ukrainian commando force known as unit 2245 . they captured russian roads and communications gear. so that the c, i could actually reverse engineer this information and crack most because encryption system. they also then went onto train and use generation of ukrainians . fives, who operated inside russia, europe and cuba or other places that russians had a large presence. they train ukrainian intelligence officers out of spice, and assume fake persona is in garner information. this was called operation goldfish. we've seen a shift in the sentiment and us americans on the economic status of the united states while giving more money to ukraine. we've also seen russia succeed and it's military tactics of d, f got and also on the deal political stage. so what we're seeing is that, why is this happening now? perhaps they want to distraction, perhaps, or try to distance themselves from another failed proxy word. and the time is it full reveals watching his agents and he is not totally on the route.

in your speech a, d, i. c k in the nation has of course, also in the past some groups within the country asking for self determination, the popcorn people in the east and have to people in the locus or even some people protesting. what do you tell them about self determination? do you think that the case is similar? i'm telling you, i don't think i'm in comparing. the issue that you mention with power study issue is completely completely different things that is what i can see. and can you explain why? uh well, i mean if you look up from all the angles, all the reason it's, i mean we thought explaining in details different. here's why. gimme a quad is quite a is quite clear that comparing. i mean, we don't have to compare or we cannot compare to be more x or we cannot compare those 2 cases. you can't explain the bit for the y 2 of us one to know because i think they might not know. i just, i just give one example, they started school because that's it. so in the nation was also considering to support the case

i? c, j a genocide case against the country, but that support may help to owls to these wally parliament member who would be the 1st no make over as a to be expelled from parliament. we'll discuss the situation with the general secretary of the m p. 's policy in the connected. so do states you for more on the but your opinion has approved an additional $50000000000.00? your rose a package for ukraine, while domestic problems erupt around the union of thousands of farmers in europe, of protesting against on the payments. high taxes and stifling green agenda regulations. the dream and the european council delivered on our priorities supporting ukraine a good day for europe. we have a deal is us taking leadership and responsibility and support for ukraine. we know what is at stake during the latest somebody's in brussels schools of angry farmers have taken stage of the parliament building demanding action from the unions, officials of what they call a dye of states of the national agricultura

would you, would you expect, i guess the work of the i c j and potentially the i t c to actually have some sort of good effect for, for the palestinians. that is so the optics, the, it may some kind of, uh, it may have list road or something so that it good to have. and in fact our impact on the blog because the, the word right now it's not. and so that is really, is early, but it's to, you know, activities of the restaurant hemisphere at all of it. it is actually back in the extra that was the 1st time all that and it is that had started, it's offensive on drop off some of the, you know, your, the union of shows or, i don't know for sure. i would have started calling out and yahoo, but before that there was, it's all standing right next to you, nathan, yahoo, right next to his eyes and supporting it. so actions side of things so that it will have a kind of impact that we will be expecting from the actions or certainly. so if i say that is the, are you know, donations. so for the optics, the purpose of the media feeding the problems and have a kind of not active in the back, but it wo

go and the kind of the warm machine that is there as a mass is bearing down on them with what the i, c j has said, is genocidal intent. so, you know, despite what the other gets set about, you know, more aims targeting, how may i ask for battalions or hang there we, we can't do site that the i c j a few weeks ago. said that israel has, is, is plausibly perpetrating a genocide against the pallets and people. and if you look at it through that lens, then what they happens to. ready for the people of gaza is, is as much military as it is a psychological to break the, the will of the people that are hanging on for dear life that have a mass there that are starving. and that israel has, has demonstrated through which we. ready it's indeed its intention is to put push them into the sign i credential robots with scenes on will unfold for phases, really land plus bombardment or the northern part of, of, of guys. and then these wiley's move to was heine units. and each time that was saying, basically, the reason why they're doing this is to degrade the minutes. what capabilities of have my sons

we've seen the i c. j hearings playing out in a sense simply the 1st day of the hearing alone could be seen as a small but important political victory for the endeavor of palestinian rights. but in terms of practical steps on the ground, what do you think there needs to be? what, what do you want to see happen next? a look, i think nothing understands want to have the right recognize before the ends, the total end of to the occupation. i think the i c j is an important political platform. any international platform that we can get any tool in our toolbox to defend the rights is important. however, you know, we've seen it before, the i c j in 2004, they ruled against the side wall saying the, the, the wall is illegal. since then, the situation on the ground, as you said, has completed the worse since and the settlements and the colonization has, has moved forward. so i think it's about how can we use different tools, you know, in our box without them being solutions. we know that i send you the i, c, j wi

no, a no with a hearing in the i. c, j is history is attracted so many countries and institutions to offer the opinion on israel is occupation. most of the countries 51 i have given oral testimony, 3 international organizations. most of them so far have said that the court should rule that the occupation is illegal of the over 5 days as well as occupation of the palestinian territories has faced unprecedented scrutiny before the judges of the world's highest court is what it is acting and has been allowed to act in complete disregard of international law that cannot continue. it is clear that is what else you need an occupation is also being administered in breach of the prohibition of the time pop up. la tate is royal, has been consistently ups truck thing negotiated to spit solution for how much longer do the palestinian people need to wait before they're able to exercise their legitimate rights under international lawyers. and i'm positive from every corner of the world argue, but israel is deliberately preventing pa

when the south africans have gone back, are going back to the i. c. j to ask for, for, for the rulings further injunctions because of the situation being so urgent with what's happening on the board with the customer. so i think they have to take that into consideration. certainly we all hope that israel's enablers over the past 4 months, would have gotten the message from the i, c j and, and put pressure on israel to, to halt it's been barred, meant and to at least take seriously the 6 orders of the i, c, j, in terms of protecting a civilians, unfortunately that has not happened. i totally agree with have. so in terms of her analysis on all of this, but we have to take the by the administration's hand wringing when it comes to nothing. yahoo with the sense of disingenuousness because in spite of in spite of the rhetoric the u. s. has continued to enable and every in every way, i mean, just 2 days ago, the us senate passed, you know, if 14000000000 dollar aid package to israel. now it still needs to go to the house, but that should tell you a lot. in s

the, the i c, j set. it's opinion carry significant maureen, weight the size of the moral weight for israel to want to on it to do, i have to pay it any differently than it is not all. think of the think of the options of the united nations with then have, if the court rules that this isn't a legal occupation, several months time, this would go back to the general assembly who would ask for the advisory opinion. they would likely pass a resolution in favor of endorsing what the court has done and then either it or the security council would then be compelled to want to take action to decide what steps should be taken to compel israel to end the legal occupation. well, one last question, michael, is to us is always the most influential state when it comes to israel. could the us be persuaded to behave any differently if the core issues this opinion that the occupation is illegal? well, let's remember that the present and 5 minutes been talking about a 2 state solution since it became president that has been

the wall to be closed, saying the mission has to end the problem and estimate these marks off to the i. c j will. that is why i must take action to prevent students tied to violence. bias on forces its time that the international community into you in itself understand that only submission has to end under a sofa perpetuating it is self perpetuating also. and it's the desire to keep alive, or if you, the palestinian refugee issue. there are other agencies and the one the other agencies in the world they have to replace on rock and roll is totally infiltrated and come us. it has been in the service of commerce and schools, and in many other thing, that's close live now to the middle east bureau chief maria the notion of the way i get to see you again. that seems to be a drum base of harsh rhetoric coming off of as well about under was mission and gaza. could you tell us more about the situation please? a yes indeed. israel's war against another wall continues. now these rarely prime ministers, calling for the closure of the agency, which is a crucial lifeline for desperate powers, teens an

is wrong. came off with statements prior to i. c j saying that they do not believe that i c j will be really in accordance with the prophetic dismissed. everything that the south african legal team brought to the i c j. but with the i c, j supported a lot of that notion and of how was that? yours diction. it seems very coincidental that a day or day, well the same day or a day later that is wrong. comes with claims of how it's one rest off being involved with different mazda tech and funding stuff. stuffing it's, it's extremely coincidental. whereas a release, if it's in the cause of the main life blood and support for high is that right? they have over 13000 stuff and it's the main source of funds that are going to hide, sir. and so the to be 2000000 people in the highs. uh, uh, extremely dependent on, on draft funds. um and you know, if you're going to start funds like that, and you're not going to replace it with additional funds, that's going to have catastrophic impacts on the people of headsets. but you're talking about a situ

i was involved at that time. now another point to mentioned really quick is in 2016, the c i a student training and elite ukrainian commando force known as unit 2245. they captured russian roads and communications gear, so that the c, i a could actually, uh, reverse engineer this information and crack moscow's encryption system. they also then went onto train a new generation of ukrainians. 5 who operated inside russia, europe and cuba, or other places that russians had a large presence, the frame ukrainian intelligence officers. this is how this 5 and assume paper. so it is in garner information. this was called operation goldfish. now they since has been building upon this current program and it's interesting, of course, nothing new york times. we publish this report at this moment. the question we have to ask ourselves is why, why did they do that? we've seen a shift in the sentiment in us, americans on the economic status of the united states while giving more money to ukraine. we've also seen russia succeed and it's military tactics of d. f got and also on the deal political stage. so what we're seeing is tha

last week's i, c. j decision which will because we must take all necessary steps to prevent a genocide in the palace to be an end place. it was also ordered to allow the delivery of humanitarian agents into guns. no party to an armed conflict is above international law and the binding decisions of the international court of justice must be complied with. the agent un appeal comes as to humanitarian crisis and gaza spreads to unprecedented levels with thousands of civilians fleeing b and baffled north south. the cheese displaced, residence, the shell said in albert miles school in west thing does that. that would then forced to go to yes, the secondary of north id of soldiers and vehicles surrounded the area, demolished the school, and told the women to move south. the fleeing women related to the face of men left behind. it was on the end of the road to the comm, sports, extremely dangerous, and the people were lying dead in the street and dogs were eating their flesh. i saw a dead man thrown on the ro

s. lawyer who has regularly august the case is at the i c. j sat. it's clear israel has no intention to ever leave the land to man. the evidence is overwhelming and leaves no room for serious dispute about israel's actions or its intentions. in 2004, the court of firm the inalienable right of the palestinian people to self determination. in 2024. it is time for you to enables and finally, to exercise that right, this case is different to the one of genocide south africa filed. this one is brought by the un general assembly after passing a resolution with 8 to 7 votes in favor. to give an advisory opinion on as well as 57, he alone occupation. the hearings come at a time when the death, though, as far as military operation in gaza has the past 29000 last month. so you and highest court order. it's relative stopped. also time from genocidal x in gaza and other decisions i just poured. although non binding to stop the unlawful occupational specialist in line to carry morales or with no further increase international pressure on the government. benjamin

call be an individual faced by the i c. c, for example, in the near future. i'm a thank you, i'm, i think, and absolutely is the, the, the scale of destruction. as you mentioned, whether it is mosques, the hospital of the school, the underwater leaf agency is and, and then tell yeah, the infrastructure and there is no agency or organizations on the ground that has not been affected. and i think the scale of destruction, as i mentioned by kids and also by effort before it is definitely a, provide enough evidence and enough and things on the ground to be a base for the 4 cases, a genocide, different if, if nit cleansing, and we see that we see that not only ever prior to the routing of 26 of january, but also after the, the numbers after are also stagen. and you have what it 2000 per listing and can since then, and do have also if you 1000 injured as well. these are, these are the minimal number. that's where the fed another a statistics we have it. this is regarding the houses that we have demolished and destroyed over 44 squares of houses, which is you know, a