let's check in with meteorologist darren peck. >darren>darren, >>how long is this going to stick around this air quality advisory? >darren>well, at least for this one for the next two days. but i think we should be preparing ourselves over the next several weeks. there will be more, especially because of the stories you just covered liz with. not only the park fire, but also the pedro fire, which shows up on our map here. when we look at smoke concentrations. watch what happens over the next 24 hours. we're going to bring ahead a plume of smoke that's going to progress towards the bay, so that by the time we get into tomorrow afternoon, we've already seen an additional amount of smoke come overhead. so that's tomorrow. and then there could be more as we go into early next week. the good news on this is it's just looking at air quality sensors. and we're all pretty much good with a few moderate sensors right now that are showing up. however the bay area air quality management district is forecasting it to stay moderate. so if you smell smoke, go

quality you might be seeing or even smelling wildfire smoke, meteorologist darren peck is following this for >darren>us. darren. if we look at the big picture on that, an we're actually not necessarily pulling in any direct plumes of smoke from one specific fire across the state. but there have been enough wildfires across california over the last several weeks that the smoke's just kind of nebulous. and it's getting trapped under an inversion. and we saw air quality yesterday, particularly for the inland east bay, go downhill today. we're looking at moderate at worst. so we're doing okay. and if you look at us today from space, one of the best tools to get a vantage point for where there might be any smoke, there's one that's the park fire. but you can see that plume of smokes going the other way. the crosier fire would be here, and we're not seeing any huge plumes coming off of that. let's put it in a futurecast. keep your eye on that plume right there there's crosier fire. that's park fire. this is onshore flow so for the most part, we're really looking out as we go into this early and middle part of august

darren. darren, you're. no, you're not darren. you're not listening to me. because. no, i'm not darren. 'm not and the reason why i'm not and the reason why i'm not and the reason why you're not listening to me is that's not what i said. i said that the root cause of attacks against a mosque in southport that that some people, some far right activists and some far right activists and some racers went and attacked the mosque in southport. the root cause of that is the racism of those people, which i'm saying is a small minority and actually agreeing with the king does not represent the vast, vast majority of people. you know, when i look at when you're scrolling miserably on social media, seeing the scenes we're seeing , people media, seeing the scenes we're seeing, people being dragged out of their car because of the colour of their skin, that does not represent our country. and the root causes of that are racism. and the things that do represent our country are , for represent our country are, for example, when there were people walking to prayers in accrington and people came out of th

darren adam. _ this. thank you very much indeed, darren adam, live _ this. thank you very much indeed, darreniceland, - this. thank you very much indeed, darren adam, live in iceland, with| darren adam, live in iceland, with the latest. stay with us here on bbc news. hello again. today is not going to be as wet or as windy as it was yesterday, and it will be a bit warmer. and in fact, as we go through this week, what you will notice is it's going to turn warmer for a time. the peak will probably be on wednesday. it will dip, then pick up at the weekend. there'll be some sunshine, but there'll also be spells of rain. if we look at the air mass chart, you can see how on wednesday we see the amber colours return, then we've got the cooler yellows, but as we head back into the weekend, the amber colours start to return, showing that increase in temperature. today, though, we still do have areas of cloud floating around. there will be sunny intervals as well. the early morning rain really breaking up across northern england, southern scotland and northern ireland, where we could catch the odd show

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darren. up latest headlines for now darren. up next. first, though, this short break for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward alerts >> welcome back. i'm still darrenr nana akua on gb news on tv and on digital radio. right in the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour, the question is, does the united kingdom need to increase defence expenditure? the conflict between israel and hezbollah continues to escalate, of course, with hamas and the houthi rebels as well. israel's launching pre—emptive airstrikes in lebanon after detecting a planned attack, while hezbollah responded with a barrage of rockets and drones, marking a significant increase in hostilities. how bad is this going to get? could it escalate into a middle east conflict off the scale? i want to know, should we be reconsidering our involvement in that region and increasing our expenditure in defence altogether ? right. defence altogether? right. still, joining me is former special adviser to michael gove, charlie rowley and the co—founder of novara media, aaron bastani . charlie, let's aaron bastani. charlie, let's let's start with you then. i mean , the conserv

darren. thank you. it's 1232. >> darren. thank you. it's1232. i'm cameron walker here in the newsroom. an army chaplain has been stabbed multiple times outside of a barracks in ireland and has been taken to hospital. a teenage boy was restrained by members of the defence forces outside renmore army barracks before armed police responded and arrested him at approximately 1045 last night. the victim's injuries are serious but not thought to be life threatening, and this morning that victim, chaplain paul murphy, he has released a statement. he said, friends, thank you for your prayers, love and concern. sorry that i can't reply to all messages and take all the calls coming. my way. i'm doing okay. just awaiting surgery. all will be well . surgery. all will be well. victims of the infected blood scandal can receive support scheme payments for life under changes to a multi—billion pound compensation plan. meanwhile, those who were subjected to unethical research will get up to £15,000 extra. that's after the government accepted the majority of recommendations from an independent review into planned compensation for victims. some 3000 people across the united kingdom are estimated to have registered interest, with the compensation scheme. ministers have been accused of prioritising unions over pensioners, according to the times. tens of thousands more rail workers are set to give above inflation pay rises, which is expected to cost the treasury more than £100 million. the transport secretary, louise hayes, says the pay rises are better value for taxpayers than allowing train strikes to continue. but the terms offered to aslef union members could have a knock on effect with other rail unions, it's been claimed, and aslef has announced today. train drivers on lner are today. train drivers on lner are to stage a series of strikes on the separate issue of claims breakdowns in industrial relations and the breaking of agreements by the company . the agreements by the company. the number of pharmacies in england could fall below 10,000 for the first time in almost 20 years. that's a warning from the national pharmacy association, which claims seven pharmacies a week have so far closed this yeah week have so far closed this year. cuts to budgets and medicine becoming more expensive has been blamed . if numbers fall has been blamed. if numbers fall below 10,000, it will be the lowest number since 2005 and prince harry has appeared to subtly weigh in on the recent riots in the uk, which were partly sparked by online misinformation. the duke and duchess of sussex have used their first day of their official visits to colombia to highlight online safety, where harry said and i quote what happens online within a matter of minutes, transfers to the streets and people are acting on information that isn't true. the couple were officially invited by the presidents vice by the country's vice president, francia marquez, who says she was moved by their controversial netflix documentary where they laid bare their troubled relationship with the royal family, leading to their eventual departure as working royals . well, those are the royals. well, those are the latest gb news headlines for now. i'm cameron walker. more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward >> okay. welcome back. you're watching good afternoon britain with me emily and darrene been getting in touch about these strikes, which don't seem to be ceasing. >> no, i mean, grumpy grandad gets in touch and he says, i'm an old soldier. i'm on less than 20 k a year. so when i hear about people going on strike, they get three times what i get. it really winds me up and free speech. >> i don't think that's your your name, but yes , free speech your name, but yes, free speech says. so elena, our train drivers get a pay rise just 48 hours later. they're striking every weekend from august to november. that's 22 days of chaos. and it's not about money anymore. they're complaining about management bullying at this point. they're taking the absolute mick tilly says. i've seen it all before. unions running the country, christine. absolutely serves starmer right. give the rich train drivers a big rise and they threaten again. i think it's funny. everything will backfire on him. >> but then dave, emily says elena are still striking because their strikes were so not solely to do

darren, for that update. _ to protect them. thank you, darren, for that update. let's _ to protect them. thank you, darren, for that update. 's see some - for that update. let's see some breaking news, the micro—finance pioneer has landed in bangladesh after the ousting of sheikh hasina. the 84—year—old nobel peace prize winner back in dakar now, getting ready to take over the interim government of bangladesh. this is bbc news. the separatist former leader of catalonia, carles puigdemont, has returned from a lengthy exile to spain, where he risks arrest on a charge linked to a failed bid for independence seven years ago. he's addressed supporters who've gathered near the region's parliament, shortly ahead of the expected investiture of a new head of the catalan government. with me is our europe editor, danny aeberhard. tell us about the return of carles puigdemont. he's done everything he can to avoid extradition to spain but he is now coming here voluntarily. he has arrived barcelona and addressed thousands of supporters and they gave him a hero's welcome so lots of people waving the separatist catalan flags, shouting inde

darren. >> good afternoon darren. >> i think the duke and duchess of sussex should be concerned , of sussex should be concerned, thatis of sussex should be concerned, that is because , they have only that is because, they have only their celebrity to sell and they must be careful not to sell it too cheaply . too cheaply. >> and where they sell it. >> and where they sell it. >> and where they sell it. >> and colombia at the moment, with its president, gustavo petro, is a government that is mired in controversy. >> and some degree of scandal. now, i believe that the duke and we see him there would actually benefit by having the expertise of buckingham palace at this moment around him, because before there's ever a royal visit anywhere, darrenthere's careful consideration and research done . research done. >> and it is true that the late queen, the prince's grandmother, had very few regrets. but she did regret the state visit by nicolae ceausescu, the tyrannical president of romania, when he came to britain on a state visit in 1978. in fact, when he was wandering around the gardens , ceausescu, the queen, gardens, ceausescu, the queen, was said to have hidden in a bush that she didn't have to talk to him. well, 11 years after that state visit on christmas day , ceausescu and his christmas day, ceausescu and his unlovely wife were both shot by a firing squad by outraged, romanians. now when these visits take place, they do give credence to any particular regime that is being visited . regime that is being visited. and i think there is a danger. certainly the colombians seem to think there's a danger that their being their celebrity, their being their celebrity, their good intentions, their willingness to help underprivileged

darren peck. following the latest advisory, >darren>i just want. five over wales every day what cool shots those were and it is a very different story if you're inland because there is a heat advisory which anne just referenced. so let me talk about that first. if you're in the santa clara valley the heat advisory stays in effect until 9:00 tonight. it's the only place in the bay that's got it. and the temperatures here in the low 90s are not as hot as they are in the inland east bay but there's just a perspective item here. consistent low 90s with relatively warm overnight lows in the south bay. you've had this for a couple of days now so the national weather service has just got this out to make sure you're aware, this is a little bit more than you typically get in most other parts of the bay. while warmer than average are able to handle this a little bit better. this is a view from the salesforce tower and we're looking out west over the shoulder of mount sutro. and you can see all the marine layer out there. so that real pretty aerial footage w

darren. we will start the — the programme. thank you, darren. we will start the campaign _ the programme. thank you, darren. n to get on next year's list now! a bbc news investigation has uncovered a worrying trend of shopkeepers and traders buying stolen goods and selling them on to customers. the most recent figures show that shoplifting offences rose by 30% across england and wales last year, to more than 440,000. that's the highest level for more than 20 years. but retailers believe only around a third of incidents are reported to the police. and it means that shoppers foot the bill, with the average household paying an extra £133 per year as a result. 0ur reporter, jim connolly, has the story. perfume, always a staple. box sets, cosmetics, leather handbags. a big box of lego can be £100. this is ross, for decades one of leeds most prolific shoplifters. i'm not allowed in most of the shops around here. is thatjust because you stole so much over the years? yeah, yeah, and now i'm banned from... yeah. he says he's been clean from heroin and crack forfive months and hasn't shoplifted in that time. previousl

darren clarke. you must know darren clarke. >> i knew darren clarke's wife really, really well. >> so how old is darren clarke today? >> i'd say he didn't. >> i'd say he didn't. >> he? i would say 11. >> he? i would say 11. >> i think darren is 65. >> i think darren is 65. >> oh , okay. >> oh, okay. >> oh, okay. >> he looks early. i'll give you a clue. he looks older than he really is. yeah. >> so i would have said 56. >> so i would have said 56. >> 56 is the correct answer. >> 56 is the correct answer. >> very good. good at this game. >> very good. good at this game. >> no cheating involved? >> no cheating involved? >> no. i feel like i can just read people. >> well, okay. go for another one. jason leonard. he's known as the fun bus. jason leonard capped more times for england than anybody else. world cup winner 2003. rugby, of course. so how old is jason leonard? darren clarke is 56. jason, what do you say? >> wait, wait, which one is him in the white or the green is the big fella in the middle. >> there he is. >> there he is. >> oh, there he is. that's him. now >> so that's h

darren. andrew has a question too. >> sure. >> hey, darren, i have a broader question and it is something i think you'll like. i don't know. jamie dimon had a fascinating op-ed in "the washington post" this morning and there is a sentence in particular that i wanted to ask you about. he says, when our allies are fighting wars to defend their sovereignty and democracies, and desperately need to secure and reliable energy sources, delaying long-term liquid natural gas projects in louisiana and texas is misguided and self-defeating. it is bad for the environment and the economy, and it is bad for our allies. and i thought maybe you could put some meat on the bones on that sentence, which is, what is the actual impact of all of that? >> well, i think the point that jamie makes is the right one, which is while rightly so we're all focused on how we can transition the energy system to a lower carbon energy system, we got to be mindful of the fact that it should be a thoughtful transition that recognizes and balances the other needs and certainly continues to fuel economic growth and help people raise their prosperity. and so you got to strike a balance and frankly that's what we have been focused on doing, continuing to reduce oil and natural gas along with another portfolio of other products that society needs. but as we do that lower emissions and what you want to stay focused on is not moving oil and gas to wind and solar, but moving from a high carbon intensity energy system to a low carbon energy intensity system. that's the work that we should be focused on and frankly the production and the oversight and the standards that we're holding ourselves to in the u.s., i think positions the u.s. industry as a leader in that space. and we should be leaning on the u.s. and the companies in the u.s. to produce responsibly to continue to meet those existing demands as the world works through the transition and brings in newer technologies. it will be, andrew, exactly what it is called, a transition. not a step change. we should recognize that and approach it thoughtfully. >> darren chairman and ceo of exxonmobil. >> thank you, becky. >> okay. >>> when we come back, we're going to be back in paris. the ceo of ab inbev will join us next. and then dave baszucki will talk a.i. and the state of gaming and so much more. we're coming right back after this. lyles will need a good leg here. can he deliver? here comes the pass! look at this kid! coming in tight on the line. team usa, what a run! it's gold for team usa. noah lyles with another gold medal. in case there was any doubt, who was the breakout star of these world championships. >>> welcome back to "squawk box." we are live in paris this morning. the world's largest brewer, ab inbev, serving as the first beer brand in history to sponsor the olympic games. the company reported second quarter results. saw pressure from weakening demand in china, flat sales in the u.s. the ceo of ab inbev joins us and thrilled to have him here on the program. good morning. >> good morning. thank you for having me. >> we were just ta

labour's darren jones , chief secretary to darren jones, chief secretary to the treasury, says the governmentited a huge financial challenge from the tories. however shadow chief secretary to the treasury laura trott says the economic growth is thanks to previous tory policies. sweden has confirmed it's recorded its first case of a contagious new variant of monkeypox, a day after the world health organisation declared it a global health emergency. the strain emerged in the democratic repubuc strain emerged in the democratic republic of congo, with more than 17,000 cases and 571 deaths in africa this year , according in africa this year, according to the who, which exceeds last year's total . scientists from year's total. scientists from the africa centres for disease control and prevention report 96% of all cases and deaths have beenin 96% of all cases and deaths have been in d.r.congo. the uk health security agency says there are currently no cases of the virus in the uk, and its deputy director claims the risk is currently considered low . and currently considered low. and the duke and duch

television distribution denise bailey is suing her daughter's ex-fiancé, darren keller, for purposely setting her car on fire. darrenbailey vs. keller. >> judge judy: thank you. >> byrd: you're welcome, judge. parties have been sworn in. you may be seated. sir, have a seat, please. >> judge judy: miss bailey, it is your claim that mr. keller vandalized your car, and the motivation that you believe inspired him to vandalize your car was that you had borrowed some money from him and you didn't pay him back. >> yes. >> judge judy: mr. keller says he didn't vandalize your car, and he's got a counterclaim for the money that you borrowed from him and decided not to pay

darren. morning, darren. he's watching us from turkey. where? it's 8:00. good morning. >> yeah, but it's warming up there. >> morning to tim hooper as well. there you go. lots of you getting in touch already. what are you doing up this time of day? >> tell us where you are. >> tell us where you are. >> glad you are. yeah, exactly. >> glad you are. yeah, exactly. >> tell us where you are and how you're watching. on what sort of device and what time of day it is. where you are. anywhere in the world. i know that was what was wonderful when i went to cyprus just recently, and just being able to just tune in to gb news and listen to and i know that's what people tell us so often, isn't it? it's lovely to be able to just listen to, british news when you're abroad. yeah. >> my friend lives in switzerland. he he relies on us. yeah. >> oh, that's really cool. >> oh, that's really cool. >> wilhelmina's in leicester. where it's rather dull. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> leicester. so there you go. >> leicester. so there you go. >> yeah. no, i think it'll cheer up through the midlands like that. >> yeah, well, let's hope so. right, i'll tell you what, the good weather has not been good in terms of crossings on the channel. it's been another busy day yesterday with, we think, nine small boats carrying 450 migrants making that perilous journey. and that means more than 5500 illegal migrants have arrived since labour came to power six weeks ago. more than 19,000 so far this year. >> yes. our homeland security edhon >> yes. our homeland security editor, mark white, breaks down the numbers and tells you what it means. >> there are probably a slightly fewer coming across than we would have expected now that we're in the height of summer, but there have been some days where it's been a bit windy in the channel, including this week, so i was in dover earlier in the week on the cliff top there, reporting on another milestone that 5000 migrants had crossed the channel illegally since labour came to power. and then we had 2 or 3 days of windy weather. and it's only now this weekend that things have calmed down enough to allow more boats to come. and sure enough, we heard just after 11:00 this morning, the border force vessel rhiannon ranger coming in with 50 odd migrants. it returned again with another 40 migrants. then the border force vessel defender was in as well, with 135 migrants on board and so it continued throughout the day with our , producer down in dover with our, producer down in dover estimating that at least nine small boats came into uk waters, carrying more than 450 people, taking the total for the year to now more than 19,000. and of course, that milestone as well to 5500 since labour came to power , promising to smash the power, promising to smash the gangs they scrapped the rwanda deal on the first day in office. it was, to according sir keir starmer, a gimmick. instead, what he wants to do is go after the people smugglers . but that's the people smugglers. but that's going to take some time. they haven't even managed to appoint a new senior officer in charge of this new border security command. and that's what over six weeks since labour came to power. so they've got some way to go to achieve this goal of supposedly smashing the gangs. and while they don't do that, then all of the time when the weather improves , we'll get boat weather improves, we'll get boat after boat load coming to the uk . after boat load coming to the uk. >> well it's just well, the numbers are embarrassing, aren't they ? they? >> politically embarrassing. joining us now political commentator peter spencer. good morning peter. yeah. politically this is one giant embarrassment. and it's getting worse and worse by the day . by the day. >> there's always a spike at this time of year. as mark rightly pointed out , because the rightly pointed out, because the weather has been very nice. it will fall away in a few days when the weather's going to turn totally filthy. as i understand it, i mean , keir starmer wishes it, i mean, keir starmer wishes to set up the border control command and smash the gangs, to use the phrase , all this takes use the phrase, all this takes time. the other thing that he's very much on a mission to do is to get the home office to get its act together and fast track, the processing of asylum applications. so you don't have this extremely expensive and extremely unpopular situation of very large numbers of asylum seekers stuck in hotels , kicking seekers stuck in hotels, kicking their heels and costing the taxpayer a small fortune. this is his plan. and it's sort of it kind of makes sense on paper, but inevitably it must take time . but inevitably it must take time. >> i mean, look, if nothing else, i guess this will pile the pressure on, though, won't it, peter? i mean, it is unreasonable to expect the new government to actually stop anything at this point, but this has got to keep the pressure on to say, actually, you really do need to deal with this and you need to deal with this and you need to deal with this as quickly as is possible . quickly as is possible. >> oh, absolutely. right. i mean, but then let's face it, the this new government has inherited a whole range of problems and it has pledged to sort them out. but it is it is all going to take time. i mean, just to take one, for example, we had those riots a week or so back and, starmer very swiftly and very effectively in his capacity as former chief prosecutor, banged a whole load of them up. but of course, that immediately threw into sharp relief the fact that there is a crisis in the prison service. that's yet another, huge problem that keir starmer has to overcome. and as i say, across that and a whole range of things, we can think about, for example, public sector pay and the list goes on and on and on. >> yes. it's going to be a very difficult summer for him, let alone the lead up to , i suppose, alone the lead up to, i suppose, their own party, political conference. and all of the time they are being judged by the other lot, by the tories, who haven't even sort of the tory leadership is leaving most people cold. is it you ? people cold. is it you? >> well, i mean, it's funny you should mention that there's a survey, turned out i forget it was ipsos , or actually, there's was ipsos, or actually, there's an ipsos survey and there is also a yougov survey, one of which said that actually three out of five people really don't give a tuppenny diddle, who wins a tory party leadership? and the other suggested that the median age of tory supporters are shot up from somewhere in the 30s to somewhere in the mid 60s, which means that they they will have a problem with actually at some later point , finding people to later point, finding people to actually for vote them. and i mean, the one thing i do have found particularly interesting about the contest is the fact that they haven't. there has been very little evidence and slagging one another off. and that does make perfect sense because when you think about it, the circular firing squad look was pretty bad for business and paid a very large part in costing the election so thoroughly, >> can i ask you about sue gray? because there's stuff in the papers again saying that sue gray, who's now what is she, chief of staff or something like that for keir starmer, is, at loggerheads, it would appear, with so many people. >> she is a force to be reckoned with. one of the people said non—attributable, she's not a woman to be naughty worded with and, her job, of course, is to fix is to make the delivery happen. fix is to make the delivery happen . but at the same time, happen. but at the same time, there is another character in this , morgan mcsweeney, whose this, morgan mcsweeney, whose job it is to ensure that the politics are right. basically, the presentation and there have been all sorts of strange stories about the two of them shuffling one another's desks around and god knows what else. and i can see it's going to take i mean, i can see one problem, which is the fact that sunak had a serious problem with political presentations, which is why he made so many gaffes. and it is very important not to allow that to happen under the new administration. but most certainly there are the there are this this does look like a serious bout of teething troubles, on which subject i might add. i put up my hand for a dear little baby the other day, and he took my hand and put it in his mouth and bit it. >> well, well, there you are. >> well, well, there you are. >> you can't trust anyone nowadays, can you? >> you can't. don't blame it, peter. don't blame it, thank you very much indeed. good to see you. i do sort of think they've got to sort this out. what is it with these people who get put in non—elected positions? who? that. it's. it's all about power, isn't it? and you get it with all parties. and we've had it for decades and decades. but it's just like, when do they. why do they never learn? but. >> well, because i think if you have a very important high up position where you've got an enormous workload , the first enormous workload, the first thing you really need is a first lieutenant, isn't it? yeah. it's somebody you can absolutely rely on.and somebody you can absolutely rely on. and frankly , who will on. and frankly, who will gatekeep for you? >> well, it goes to their heads . >> well, it goes to their heads. >> well, it goes to their heads. >> yes. if it's gone to her head, it's gone very quickly , head, it's gone very quickly, isn't it? but i mean, you do. i mean, if you were elevated to some big political position, the first thing you'd look for is somebody you could absolutely rely on who understood the way you wanted to do things, a bulldog sort of thing. yeah you would, and everybody would immediately resent that person. well, because it would stop, you know, i would if you had an assistant who said, stephen, we'll see you, you know, we'll try and make an appointment for you next tuesday or something. i'd say, hang on a minute. i used to sit next to him in a studio. i want to see him now. and it would immediately get up my nose and that's what i can see. sue gray may be doing her job extremely well, but of course that's going to light resentment amongst other people. >> oh, maybe i should. i quite like the idea of that. >> i thought, yes, you'd like that idea. >> i'll be available in a fortnight. >> yes, yes, i'll try and fit you in. >> yeah. oh, well, maybe they're right. should we head to the united states? because it's a busy week of politics ahead. the democratic national convention kicks off tomorrow in chicago. >> yeah. now, this is good for news kamala harris as a new poll has her leading donald trump in several key battleground states, including the apparently very important arizona and north carolina. and she's chasing trump in georgia and nevada. >> well, all of this coming as some trump allies fear that since the attempted assassination, he is now sort of sabotaging his own campaign. now, that would sort of be some form of ptsd. >> well, apparently there are rumours and it's been documented by several close sources in vanity fair magazine saying that he watches the video of his attempted assassination. he's got it on a loop and he watches it over and over and over again and that, they say, is a sign of ptsd . so maybe it has affected ptsd. so maybe it has affected him far worse than we initially thought. >> maybe. let's talk to amy tarkanian, former chairwoman of the nevada republican party. great to see you as always. thank you for having me. i mean, what what do you make of all of this? because if he is sabotaging, if he is spiralling down, i mean , it's perhaps we down, i mean, it's perhaps we just haven't taken this seriously enough. what happened to him ? to him? >> well, i think the media would like for us to believe and think that he's spiralling down. i think he's just more so doubling down on throwing red to meat his base with still some of his old ways and some of his rhetoric that he continues to share . but that he continues to share. but i would think anyone with a beating heart and with a brain who had gone through something like that, would probably be suffering to some degree. i mean , suffering to some degree. i mean, obviously i'm not a psychologist, but i would think, you know, it would be very healthy for anyone who had gone through something that traumatic to be speaking with someone to make sure that you are still on the up and up , make sure that you are still on the up and up, and maybe you're thinking through things more clear than you would if you were on your own. and it's very healthy. i think that we're even having this discussion because if you're somebody who is just struggling as an individual, maybe you've lost a child, maybe you're going through a divorce , you're going through a divorce, maybe you have to file bankruptcy. there are so many different scenarios where actually going to speak to someone of that calibre is very important, and i would hope that president trump is actually seeking medical assistance. >> yes, i think so. if he is that worried about it, it, it it's something he would hate though, isn't it, because he's always wanted to project this image of absolute strength and control and that he knows what's what, he knows what's right. and if he were to have to admit to any degree what he might see as weakness or even damage, he would hate that, wouldn't he? >> i would think so. i mean , >> i would think so. i mean, there's no secret that he has a very healthy sized ego. and i think also to the fact that it's also a generational thing, you know, he is somebody of a generation that that most likely, probably didn't even go to the doctor for a basic cold or for the flu, you know, just walk it off mentality and so, you know, i would hope once again, that if this if this vanity fair article is true and he is truly fixated at watching it repeatedly, that he would be seeking assistance and at least, you know, or maybe at least talking to some, some really helpful family members, people who love him, to walk him through this because this election really is his to lose. and it seems that with the changing of the top of the ticket, you know, he was riding high when it was biden, and now he seems to have back—pedalled into his his old ways and he's back to, you know, demeaning and derogatory comments talking about topics that don't matter to the average voter. it has nothing to do with, you know, the safety of my family, the economy of my family . and he economy of my family. and he really needs to get back on message . message. >> brief point on that when he was talking at a rally, i think it was north carolina or wednesday night, he did address some sort of campaign policies, if you like, but then kept saying, well, they've told me to mention this, so almost sort of distanced himself from that, which seemed, frankly, a little bit odd . bit odd. >> right. and he seems to be, you know, defiant, you know, and he's actually telling us that he's actually telling us that he's not wanting to discuss these issues that he would rather, you know , attack kamala rather, you know, attack kamala on her ethnicity or say how he's better looking than she, which i find to be quite odd and still compare and contrast the size of the crowds. and once again, this this has nothing to do with, with making sure that you know me as a voter knows that that my safety and my family's safety is going to be taken care of, that the future of our pocketbooks will be looked over, that our health care system is going to still be up and running, you know, it's ludicrous that he's actually even being defiant in these topics. >> you said just a minute ago that the election was his to lose, but is that the case anymore? because kamala harris is doing very well in the polls. her star appears to be rising and she hasn't even done an interview yet . interview yet. >> right. and that's why i think really, it's his to lose. because if he wants to win, which i do believe he he truly still wants to win, he needs to get back on message . and you get back on message. and you know, you've got kamala right now who is riding high on emotions, riding high on a feeling. and it's very smart because you do have a lot of people who are exhausted, right, who are feeling apathetic. and so without even knowing much of the details of where she stands, because, you know, you can go back and see when she served in the senate that she has flip flopped on a number of issues. but your average voter doesn't realise that that's what she's done over the years. and so, right now they're just feeling good about themselves . they're good about themselves. they're she's making everyone feel good about being an american. and so she's just throwing red meat for her side. and for those undecideds saying, you know, here i am, i'm expressing joy. we're enthusiastic where you still have trump and vance on the other side. i mean, this morning i opened up my email and there was a mass email from jd vance saying how, you know, there was a picture that pisses him off. and those were his words. you know, i don't want to hear that anymore. i don't want to hear that kind of terminology. >> no. well, indeed, amy, thanks very much indeed. and apologies, if you don't want to hear that sort of terminology over here, i think it's, it was in the email. yeah, yeah, i know we're not blaming, you know, not blaming you. i think it's, it's taken slightly more offensively on this side of the pond. amy. so we just have to be a little bit careful. but thanks very much indeed. >> i apologise. we do. >> i apologise. we do. >> no it's fine. >> no it's fine. >> one of those phrases we all say. but then you don't say it on air. yeah. by the way, it is cloudy this morning in evesham. all right. >> and it's cloudy very much. >> and it's cloudy very much. >> geoffrey. >> geoffrey. >> it's cloudy in seaford. thank you jill. >> so it's cloudy everywhere at the moment. >> and we've had who else has beenin >> and we've had who else has been in touch? bolton. bit miserable. chester lee's been woken up by seagulls. stevens in cloudy blackpool woken up by seagulls. so everywhere this morning i do think with i mean it's very easy to underestimate what he's been through actually when you're that close to mortality, maybe it does mean that you sort of look at something like the presidency and go, do i really want to do it? >> well, you do wonder. i mean, a he's now the older one, isn't he? whereas biden was before. now he's the older one. and it was very clear that he is a family man. whatever you think of him or his politics, his family love him , when his family love him, when his granddaughter was his great. yes, it was his granddaughter gave a speech on stage at one of the rallies. i mean, she was talking about her granddad in the most lovely terms, and it was genuine and, you know, you would imagine. and he loves his golf, obviously. and wouldn't you think you'd look at that image again and again and think, i was that close to being killed and is it worth it? wouldn't he rather be with his grandchildren and the granddaughter who gave the lovely speech? she was a very keen golfer as well. apparently that's something they do together. >> oh yeah. >> oh yeah. >> well, i wouldn't blame him for pulling. he's not going to pull out. but you know, you wouldn't blame him for doing so. right, it's 6:22. let's have a look at some of the other stories heading into the newsroom this morning. >> well, president zelenskyy has taken to social media to praise the uk's true leadership in its support for ukraine. however, he has also warned the situation has also warned the situation has slowed down recently as ukraine pushes into russian territory. and this all comes as defence secretary john healey has endorsed ukraine using british weapons in their fight against russia. >> hamas have rejected president biden's optimism about a ceasefire deal with israel, following days of talks in qatar . following days of talks in qatar. president biden said they're closer than they've ever been with prime minister netanyahu revealing they were cautiously optimistic . however, senior optimistic. however, senior hamas officials told british media there had been no progress and mediators were selling an illusion. >> a fire at somerset house in central london has been contained. now after around 125 firefighters were called to tackle the blaze yesterday. there are priceless artworks in there but they have not been damaged. the fire ripped through the roof of the historic building. somerset house will remain closed, apparently until further notice as an investigation into the fire that damaged the roof is conducted . damaged the roof is conducted. >> i'm feeling slightly depressed by imran siddique . depressed by imran siddique. morning, imran. who says i'm always tuned in from 5:30 in the morning working at my desk in leicestershire. but he does it on his stepper. >> well, while you're while you're working. >> so he burns 100,000 calories by eight in the morning. how do you do that? >> do you have to have a special clip on thing for your laptop? >> all his information from gb news. well, they just they must just be a stepper. then you just have a high desk and you're doing that. >> oh, i see that. >> it's like you're walking for 2.5 hours. imran, you put us all to shame. >> yes you do. >> yes you do. >> i've often thought of doing that, but never quite got round to it. >> no, no, not me neither. >> no, no, not me neither. >> me neither. right edinburgh's month of festivals is well underway . but what can month of festivals is well underway. but what can top month of festivals is well underway . but what can top the underway. but what can top the spectacle of the royal edinburgh military tattoo? >> so , enjoying the view from >> so, enjoying the view from edinburgh castle? here's hoping. tony mcguire has the story for you . you. >> this august, legends, myths and folklore from around the world coalesce on the esplanade of edinburgh castle in an explosion of colour music and dance. saying nothing of outpourings , steel drums and outpourings, steel drums and fire. this can only be the royal edinburgh military tattoo and this year's show is stories . let this year's show is stories. let the story begin . this year's the story begin. this year's military bands hail from far and wide from the usa and trinidad and tobago to norway, switzerland and of course , our switzerland and of course, our home—grown scottish talent. tattoo chief executive major general buster howes tries to put his finger on exactly what makes this annual occasion such a spectacle . a spectacle. >> it is a wonderful setting. it is the heart of scotland. and then this, this auditorium, which we conjure out of nothing. every year from 30,000 pieces which are all dragged into a building which is designed to keep people out . it's a bit like keep people out. it's a bit like the colosseum. it's very steep. it's very intimate . you're not it's very intimate. you're not going to come to this event if you don't like it. and if you do like it, it puts the hair on the back of your neck up. >> look a little closer in the elaborate formations, choreography and multimedia tell another story to elevate their performance. the dedication and precision of the 800 plus international cast is responsible for drawing the audience in close. chief operating officer. lieutenant colonel jason barrett pays tribute to the emotional investment made by this cast from around the world. >> the feedback we get from them is, and for many, and this may sound like an exaggerated way to put this, but these are the words they use that it's a the best thing they've ever done in their life. the most memorable thing they've done in their life , thing they've done in their life, life changing experience. these are things that are fed back to us because they come here and they're exhausted because of the work they've got to put in at the start of it. by the time they leave, though, they have friends for life and a lot of tears are shed when it's over. >> the best stories happen to those with the skills to tell them, and this is one yarn we'll all be spinning for some time to come. a show unlike any other playing in edinburgh this summer. the royal edinburgh military tattoo will surprise and delight audiences from now until the end of august. tony mcguire . gb news. mcguire. gb news. >> it's a long time since i've seen it. >> yeah, me too. but if you ever get the chance to go, it is extraordinary. >> i do feel a bit sorry about this year's though, because major general bruce, who is the governor of edinburgh castle, alastair, who we know it's his last tattoo. >> no, his tenure is coming to an end because he's the governor of edinburgh castle, isn't he? so he's in charge of it all. >> so this is his last tattoo? well, i feel really sorry about that. >> yeah, that guy is brilliant. he knows everything. >> he knows everything. he's a he's a wonderful, wonderful man. and i'm very privileged to have him as a friend. >> absolutely. now, we've been talking about the weather this morning already because lots of people have been saying, oh, david clarke says it's hot in somerset. oh yes. i think that's what you mean. i think you might. cloudy, cloudy and dull in liverpool. apparently, according to michelle. so yeah, there's lots going on. so apparently it is a bit dull, cloudy, wherever at the moment is it going to get any better? i really do hope so, amy. bogota would tell . us. would tell. us. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello. and welcome to your latest gb news weather update from the met office . another from the met office. another fine day in store for sunday. dher fine day in store for sunday. drier for many with plenty of sunny spells around, although still quite breezy for scotland with some showers here too. but for the bulk of the uk. lots of sunshine to start on sunday. a couple of showers across the west country, northern england and western scotland through the morning, but by the time we head into the afternoon , those into the afternoon, those showers largely dying away and lots of sunshine and clearer skies than we've seen recently here and generally a pretty good day across the board through sunday. temperatures into the low 20s, perhaps up to 25, close to london and a little bit cooler and still feeling quite chilly with that strong westerly breeze across northwest scotland. then through the afternoon we're going to see plenty of sunshine around, particularly for eastern scotland. there should be lots of sunny spells here, but it will be feeling cool. temperatures only into the mid teens across western parts of scotland, and with that breeze it still will be feeling quite cool, especially over higher ground. northern ireland seeing a brighter afternoon and evening than yesterday and there'll be plenty of sunshine across the board and most places across the southern half of the uk will be dry through sunday evening as well, so turning into clear spells overnight and that will be for much of the country, lots of clear skies. but we do start to see this frontal system arriving from the west, cloud beginning to push in, particularly for northern ireland, scotland and into parts of the west country and wales. starting to see some drizzly conditions moving in from monday morning. cooler, though, ahead of this, temperatures only just holding up into double figures and quite cool in the countryside. likely to be into the single figures here as well, but a dry and bright start across the east of the country, very much an east west split through monday, and we're going to start to see thickening cloud arriving from the west, strengthening wind, particularly through the irish sea, where we could see gales by the time we get into the afternoon and we'll see some strong winds and some heavy rain here too. cool. underneath that rain , but there underneath that rain, but there still will be some warmth in that sunshine. the further south you are. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news >> i have no idea what the weather's like in new zealand, but good evening john and diane who've been in touch, who say we watched most evenings in new zealand when we're getting ready for dinner . zealand when we're getting ready for dinner. but please, can you get the summer sorted as we're coming to visit next month? >> oh well yeah, we'll, we'll we'll get it sorted for you. i don't really know how, but no, bring, bring an umbrella. >> maybe we'll have what they call an indian summer. >> maybe september. >> maybe september. >> half past five in the evening in new zealand at the moment. yeah. >> have a lovely tea and a tinnie right now. you've got two weeks left. if you still need to get your entry in for our £30,000 great british giveaway , £30,000 great british giveaway, the biggest prize we've given away so far this year. enjoy. but you've got to be in it to win it. here's how. >> don't miss out on your chance to win a whopping £30,000 in tax free cash to spend. however, you like. it's extra cash that could really make a difference to your coming year. you could find yourself in that holiday you've always wanted to buy, that treat that always seemed out of reach, or just that always seemed out of reach, orjust send some of those day to day financial stresses . to day financial stresses. packing £30,000 could be yours, but time is ticking for another chance to win £30,000 in tax free cash. text cash to 63232. text cost £2 plus one standard network rate message. you can enter online at gbnews.com/win. entries cost £2 or post your name and to number gb0. seven, po box 8690 derby d19 jvt, uk only. entrants must be 18 or oven only. entrants must be 18 or over. lines close at 5 pm. on the 30th of august. please check the 30th of august. please check the closing time if listening or watching on demand. good luck i watching on demand. good luck! >> yeah, best of luck indeed. >> yeah, best of luck indeed. >> oh, i'm enjoying this. >> oh, i'm enjoying this. >> yes, we've got everyone. you're all getting in touch. oh this is lovely. >> it's cloudy and grey in leicester, says john, which has helped me get an extra half an hours helped me get an extra half an hour's sleep. darren, rainy and grey in perth , cold, rainy and grey in perth, western australia, but have a great day. and. oh yes. and john says it's always good to see you both. hi there. i'll just let you know. it's partly cloudy, but 31 degrees this lunchtime here in kuala lumpur. oh wow, >> steve salmon says it's a beautiful morning in torrevieja in spain. i'm up because i haven't been to bed yet. i've been at a beach party. oh. how nice. >> apparently it's very nice in newton aycliffe. now, where's newton aycliffe. now, where's newton aycliffe. now, where's newton aycliffe ? newton aycliffe? >> oh, i keep driving past newton aycliffe, so i should know i can't. somewhere up on the m1 or something. yeah i'm always driving past signs for newton aycliffe. >> aycliffe got to know. got to know. yeah it's a town in england. says wikipedia. county durham . you drive past it. durham. you drive past it. >> no i tell you what, i have been up that side of the country. that'll be why. oh, recently. yeah. and al

darren jones said the treasury darren jones said the new government is under no illusion as to the scale of the challenge. we have inherited. local people in birmingham have been reacting to the news, a small increase but it's massive. >> not a lot of people can already afford food. i've got a decent job myself, so i'll struggle as it is, so i only worry about the people on universal credit or the little part time jobs who have to actually look after kids. >> the inflation is really affecting me because i'm homeless, right? because i'm struggling to live day by day because of inflation, right? because to afford anything whilst you're on universal credit, it's very difficult. >> and more talks are underway today in a bid to resolve the long running train drivers pay dispute. leaders of the drivers union aslef have been meeting with officials at the department for transport for the second time since labour won the general election. aslef general secretary mick whelan has previously expressed optimism that a deal on pay can be achieved now that constructive talks are being held. those are the latest gb news headlines for now. i'm sophia wenzler more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gb news. >> com forward slash alerts . >> com forward slash alerts. >> com forward slash alerts. >> good afternoon britain. it's 2:07 now. the uk inflation past one. goodness me to correct you . one. goodness me to correct you. >> it's all good. don't want to confuse anyone. they might think they're running late. >> i clearly clearly i'm talking about french time still in the olympic time zone. but the uk's inflation rate it's gone up for the first time this year. >> yes. the official figures show overall prices rose by 2.2% in the year to july, going above the bank of england's target. >> well, while falling energy pnces >> well, while falling energy prices have contributed to a lower inflation rate over the past few months, recent escalations in the war in ukraine and uncertainty around energy prices have contributed to this recent increase. >> well, should we get the latest from our political correspondent, olivia utley olivia, have we had any political reaction to this rise? 2.2 slightly above the bank of england's target. are there worries that this could continue to rise , or is this a is this to rise, or is this a is this a bup? to rise, or is this a is this a blip? is this nothing to worry about? >> well, gone are the days back in the later days of lockdown, when people said that inflation was going to be transitory. we have seen huge inflation since 2022 and only in the last sort of six months or so has it started to tail off. in terms of political reaction. it's a really mixed bag. it's quite interesting what you're seeing now. you've got darrenthe chief secretary to the treasury saying essentially that the conservatives have left labourin the conservatives have left labour in an awful mess in terms of the economy. and that is why inflation has now creeped up over the bank of england's target rate of 2%, up to 2.2. he's sort of laying the ground today for potentially more economic shocks in the future. and for the fact that the cost of living crisis probably won't be substantially eased any time soon. it now looks likely, as a result of this news today, that the bank of england probably won't lower interest rates in september, although they might do it later in the year. on the other hand, you've got jeremy hunt, the shadow chancellor essentially saying that actually these results are quite good. 2.2% is only a little bit above the bank of england's target rate. and actually it's a bit lower than what economists were forecasting just a few days ago. they were talking of 2.3%, 2.4%, he says. jeremy hunt, that the labour should

darren. >> yeah, well, i mean, do you know, i think we ought to do. darren.g one. so i think we ought to pull the biggest gurn one. so i think we ought to pull the biggest gum and see who qualifies. what do you think? >> well, yes. >> well, yes. >> are you ready? >> are you ready? >> yeah. well cycle races right . >> yeah. well cycle races right. next up, this woman posted this picture of herself online, and she was at a wedding and the daily mail got hold of it because it went viral online with a lot of people asking a question. now, hopefully people can viewers on radio won't be able to see, but it's a very low rise, revealing , very revealing, rise, revealing, very revealing, you can see lots of her womanhood and, she is wearing this scarlet red dress that has this scarlet red dress that has this severe cut, revealing parts of the body . now, the question of the body. now, the question is not whether a woman can wear such a dress. of course she can. the question is, is it appropriate for a wedding? let's have a straw poll. >> it's so rude to take attention

darren grimes on later at 3:00 and he joins us now. darren, what's coming up on your show? >> well dawn, how do we follow you? that's the real question. >> but look, we're going to be discussing the fact that labour in its de facto granting of amnesty to illegal migrants , amnesty to illegal migrants, what that actually means for the welfare bill and what it will mean for british taxpayers. >> there's a report out by the conservative mp nick timothy, who has argued that actually the billions of pounds extra to the treasury may well be covered up. we're going to be exploring all of those themes and hearing what labour has had to say about those accusations. >> so one to watch definitely , >> so one to watch definitely, because it's an issue that really gets the goat, frankly, of gb news viewers . of gb news viewers. >> it really does. that's coming up at 3:00 with darrent's going to be a cracker, isn't it? thank you very much, darren. and at 3:00, don't go too far. now, remember, it's very easy to get involved with me, with darren. let us know your thoughts on all the stories we're discussing today or anything you want to chat about. very simple. just visit gbnews.com/yoursay and join in the conversation now. there is loads more coming up on today's show. motorhomes. yes, the bane of my dad's life. they used to be. well, we used to call them caravans back then. will they be banned from parking in tourist beauty hotspots or that? and much more to come. i'm dawn neesom and it is a bank holiday. hope you're having a wonderful igb ! gb news brit school news hello! welcome back to the weekend with me dawn neesom. now lots of you have been sending in your thoughts and some of them i can even read out, i'm not sure about this one though. andy. hi, andy, i would like a cuddly nigel teddy bear. i'm not sure what's going on there. i'll try and get a bear costum

darren jones said the treasury darren jones said the new government is under no illusion as to the scale of the challenge. we have inherited . challenge. we have inherited. local people in birmingham have been reacting to the news. >> a small increase, but it's massive. not a lot of people can already afford food. i've got a decent job myself so i struggle as it is, so i only worry about the people on universal credit or the little part time jobs who have to actually look after kids. >> inflation is really affecting me because i'm homeless, right? because i'm struggling to live day by day because of inflation. right? because, you know, to afford anything whilst you're on universal credit, it's very difficult . difficult. >> now more talks are underway today in a bid to resolve the long running train drivers pay dispute. leaders of the drivers union aslef have been meeting with officials at the department for transport for the second time since labour won the general election. aslef general secretary mick whelan has previously expressed optimism that a deal on the pay can be achieved now that constructive talks are being held . dead fish talks are being held. dead fish have reportedly been pictured in a canal that is being tested for sodium cyanide after a toxic chemical spill in the west midlands. walsall council said the environment agency told it about a spillage that went directly into the canal at pleck on monday. a major incident has now been declared and people are being warned to avoid the 12 mile stretch of canal leading to birmingham. sodium cyanide causes headaches, nausea, changes in heart rate and a loss of consciousness. the council have assured , though, that the have assured, though, that the drinking water will not be affected by the incident. in other news, violent attacks against women on british railways have more than doubled since 2021. that's according to new data. the number of crimes against women and girls rose by 50%, and the number of sexual offences jumped 10%. unacceptable behaviour such as touching , upskirting or indecent touching, upskirting or indecent exposure is being experienced by more women than ever, with 51% of female victims stating that another passenger intervened to try and help. jess phillips, the minister for safeguarding and violence against women and girls, described the level of violence, harassment and sexual offences against women on public transport as unacceptable . a new transport as unacceptable. a new report says young people are studying a narrowing range of subjects after the age of 16, with the arts taking a particular hit. the findings have been published as students across england, wales and northern ireland are due to receive their a—level results tomorrow. the take up of humanities and arts subjects has dropped substantially, which they say risks having profound impacts on the future shape of these disciplines and finding purpose in later life may prevent memory loss. that's according to a new study. it found older people who feel that their life lacks purpose may be more prone to memory loss and thinking problems, as they age. factors include relating positively to others, personal growth, self—acceptance , growth, self—acceptance, autonomy, and mastery of one's environment. those are the latest gb news headlines for now. i'm sophia wenzler more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone , sign up to news smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gb news. >> com forward slash alerts . >> com forward slash alerts. >> com forward slash alerts. >> thank you sofia, and welcome back. this is britain's newsroom live across the united kingdom with andrew pierce. that's him. and dawn neesom in for bev turner. now the reason i'm saying that's him pointing dramatically over there. because that last clip about seagulls, i discovered that andrew has a fan club. i mean, who knew andrew? i learned more about your fan club than i did about seagulls. and thanks for reminding me. they're not actually seagulls. most of them returns in any case, but. right. >> yeah, well, take a listen. >> yeah, well, take a listen. >> apparently you have andrew here, but. well, what's not to. what's not to? >> it was very quick. well i mean blink and you miss it. did tony payer. yeah. hold on. >> i've missed it. >> i've missed it. >> it's very it's very quiet. they've deleted it. see, the production team have deleted it because they couldn't stand your ego. >> i've removed it. it's going on my website. >> oh, hold on, hold on. they're coming here. >> we love andrew. peer to peer . >> we love andrew. peer to peer. >> we love andrew. peer to peer. >> is that going to be your ringtone ? ringtone? >> we love it. we love it. i'll tell you something. we do love. we love justin urquhart stewart, our favourite economic expert who is in the studio. >> justin, one of the great the let's put it another way, one of the things rishi sunak could cling on to as prime minister because he had his five targets to stop the boats, cut nhs wages , to stop the boats, cut nhs wages, getting inflation down. he got it down to the target of 2%. what's happened? >> well, that's unfortunately not exactly what was in the plan. i started to go up again, but beware. you see, he wanted to cut interest in inflation like that, but it wasn't actually in his power anyway. this was global inflation. this wasn't inflation. typical british inflation caused by consumers going out and having a boom. i don't think we've had one of those for 20 years. that's a normal is it. this was inflation caused by what was happening around the world because the supply chain issues, the war in ukraine, what was happening in china? dodgy ships stuck in the suez canal, all those issues. you know, once you get that seizing up, the global supply chain, that's when you saw prices rising and so but nonetheless, he should have still twigged. well, he did twigged the fact that actually inflation was going to be coming down anyway, so long as those supply chains repaired themselves, which they have done to most extent. now be careful. it could easily reverse the other way because of what we've been seeing in ukraine or any other elements. so we're still in a rather dangerous position at the moment. but this is one of the problems where they sit there and say, well, inflation of course, can be controlled by the bank of england. it can't be because the inflation for the bank of england, it would be if it was a consumer boom, because you actually try and stop people spending so much money because the cost of money, if the inflation is coming from outside the country, the bank of england can't do very much about it. and this is one of the problems telling the bank of england, well, you've only got one tool for them to use, which is interest rates, is actually actually giving them the wrong task. >> so the bottom line i just want to because i'm a real thicko when it comes to economics. you might have spotted that. what does it actually mean for the pennies ? actually mean for the pennies? and they quite literally are pennies these days in our pockets. what does it mean for our mortgages? what does it mean for our pensions? what what are we meant to do with this information? >> well, actually, what you're finding is, of course, that basically the price of goods are going up. that's inflation and the value of actually what you're getting then can be devalued. because actually what the inflation is doing is eroding that value. what you could buy so much with a pound two weeks ago. you can now buy less today. so if you've got a lot of money saved and suddenly you find that you've got 10% inflation or go back to horrific days of late 60s, early 70s where we got 25% inflation for a very short period of time. i remember seeing my father's fixed pension scheme dropped by 25% in a year. now people were devastated by it . until the devastated by it. until the students now they don't believe you. surely would never have that because they'd never been through this. one of the problems we had was after the banking crisis, we never got off the emergency banking rate. they should have been starting to raise rates beforehand so that when they needed to, they could cut them again. instead, you've encouraged people to go and buy huge amounts of money at one 2%, and now they've gone up to a price of 4 or 5%. and that's painful. it's interesting to justin because one of the i wrote this after the election, one of the factors in pushing rishi into the early election , rishi into the early election, which clearly was a mistake because they were destroyed in the election, was that each month around 135,000 people were getting a new mortgage deal because the five year fixed they had when interest rates were so low. >> and this and sometimes the mortgage was going up, hundreds of pounds every month. and this was tory voters hitting them hard. and they were saying, oh, who's to blame for this? not external factors. is it that liz truss. is it rishi sunak? which is why he went for the early election. was a big factor, a really big factor. >> now, i mean things have changed over 20 years. there are less people with mortgages than before. and of course the majority of people are actually depositors. but, you know, as old people like me sitting there with our money on there, you know, haven't been earning money on a deposit account for a lot. in fact, you've been losing money only now you see it going up. you're getting a bit of a return, but still against inflation really not making a lot. so therefore actually what you've got is those people that the next generation coming through, finding themselves in a position where they cannot afford to buy, they can't afford this, this level of debt. the debt systems themselves, there's enough money around. what they need to be able to do is actually use some more initiative in terms of the services provided , for instance, services provided, for instance, as we've seen in america, long term debt, 30 year lifetime mortgages or even family mortgages or even family mortgages going across the generations. so actually giving it greater flexibility. so the imagination is needed here. unfortunately, our banking system, i'm afraid is still stuck in a world which is well, this is how we did it in the 70s. well, i'm afraid that things have changed now, so i hope we're going to be seeing some more imagination here to give more flexibility for the next generation coming through, because they can't afford not so much that the capital some actually interest rates when you've got actually low levels of pay coming through, it's going to be very, very difficult for them. >> is this going to be how big a headache is this going to be for the new chancellor? >> it's going to be quite difficult because where does she get the growth coming from. now bearin get the growth coming from. now bear in mind we have got some good news here. remember, we're very good at starting smaller companies. we're very good at starting smaller companies in technology. look at those technology. look at those technology hubs around the country. you know, silicon, glen fen, all those are bits and pieces and from those you do get spinouts. now, we're not very good at doing spinouts. the americans come along and actually say, that's very good. we'll take it to off california. so that's again is where we lead. so that's again is where we lead. so the issues we had when we had the british investment bank, that was sort of lurked around for years, you know, it's been there, but it's never really broken through. we really do actually need to be able to have actually need to be able to have a better idea of being able to have more sovereign wealth, not run by the government, but actually providing access to investment for investment into businesses. and again, it's all dominated by london, actually. you'll find a lot of these technology places are dotted all over the place. saint andrews is a good example. apart from the seagulls. and so they put the money out there. don't get the government actually organising it in terms of letting it out, but actually provide those facilities and also provide the tax breaks for it. you've got enterprise investment schemes, provide regional enterprise investment schemes . there's no investment schemes. there's no shortage of money. all that pension money is sitting there. but someone took the plumbing away. they changed the plumbing so you don't get everything is now focused too much on london. >> all right justin urquhart stewart, even you can understand it now. >> well, just about it makes it crisp, sexy and full of impact. is my favourite phrase when he comes on talks economics and he wears nice braces as well. he looks very smart. so much smarter than you . okay, shall we smarter than you. okay, shall we move on? yeah. otherwise you go on about your fan club again, won't you? oh, right. now you're jealous. it was only two people. get over yourself . a major get over yourself. a major incident has been declared after a toxic chemical spill in a west midlands canal. we're joined by our west midlands reporter, jack carson to bring us up to date on this story . this story. >> yeah, yeah. good, good morning to you both. i mean, we're on the edge of basically this 12 mile network of walsall canal this 12 mile network of walsall canal, which has been warned to members of the public to stay away from. you can probably see behind me where there's been some, some red tape put across and an aware and warning sign as well on the canal lock here. they've blocked this off in terms of access for any boats. this is a popular canal network in the midlands. plenty of boats that come down here use this lock system to get around. of course. historically used for transporting all kinds of industry and products across the country. but it's been closed off because walsall council say they were alerted to a spillage of what's been confirmed as sodium cyanide on monday into parts of the walsall canal in pec, and quite a big stretch of the canal that they say has been affected because of we've got this exclusion zone where we are is seven miles out from from where the spillage is thought to have happened and that that rough area we've been in walsall today that has there is a police presence directly closer to where the spillage happened, stopping people from entering the canal network here. we've been able to come down to the area here now. there have been reports from from people online spreading photos of dead fish actually in the water, which has been confirmed as being part of this canal. so there have been dead fish shown to be floating on top of the water. now sodium cyanide. we know can cause seizures, vomiting, loss of consciousness in more serious circumstances and more serious volumes. fatal. of course, now gary perry, who is the walsall council leader , confirmed the council leader, confirmed the substance to be sodium cyanide yesterday said that they understand the public's alarm with this and take the. they say they're taking the right precautionary measures in order to protect individuals now sodium cyanide and the problem they've got is that this, of course, dissolves in water. it is usually a white kind of crystal looking, solid and of course, it's usually used in metal cleaning, plating extraction, and can be used in photography as well. there are investigations ongoing, so we're not still clear of yet exactly where this has come from. but they are working, they say with multiple agencies to try and sort this problem out. >> jack, just one very quick question that a lot of people are asking who are watching and listening to us. is there any form of it, maybe a sabotage thing going on here? >> there's been no indication of that to us so far. as i mentioned, that there are investigations ongoing, and the environment agency today have set up a system in order to be able to test the water. so when they test the water and find out exactly the makeup of it, the levels of things like sodium cyanide, i'm sure we'll be able to say in more detail. and because this has been declared a major incident by the emergency services in this region, west midlands police are taking a very active role within this investigation. at the same time. and if they do, of course believe that that might be a line of enquiry. i'm sure we'll get those details a little bit later on. >> fascinating isn't it? it's very worrying . very worrying. >> it's very serious. yeah. do you think how long that big that exclusion zone is? >> yeah. and jack. sorry. one very final quick question. how easy is it to i know there's a big exclusion zone, but how easy it is to contain it in that canal. >> well, thankfully, because of the lock system, they've been able to essentially block off the water in order so it doesn't keep spreading further out and further out. but where we are, you already go past multiple junctions where it can go into things like the birmingham canal and closer to other parts of the area because of how huge the canal network is here, of course. so they've tried to contain it. they say it has been contained as much as as much as possible. and of course, those investigations continue to ensure that they've been managed to contain it and contain the spillage . but those warnings spillage. but those warnings still to the members of the pubuc still to the members of the public to be careful for yourselves. and of course, things like animals, if you are using these towpaths when walking your dog. >> brilliant. jack carlson , >> brilliant. jack carlson, thank you very much. our west midlands reporter there with that term toxic chemical spill, ihave that term toxic chemical spill, i have to say, i mean, i'm rather concur with some of those people who've been emailing and texting us because i thought, is that sabotage? >> because if it was a chemical lorry, where is the lorry ? yeah. lorry, where is the lorry? yeah. >> and how many businesses use this chemical in that area? sodium cyanide. that difficult to locate it any case. right. okay. right. okay you're not believe what the ex tory deputy pm therese coffey has applied for. i can't believe . this is britain's newsroom on gb news. >> you'll have to peer to peer to peer, i think. >> i think we've seen quite enough now that. >> just shoot me now . >> just shoot me now. >> just shoot me now. >> well, if you like. who would you like to do it? we've got stephen pound to here do it or mike parry. we've got the panel with us and we are going to be talking australia. >> can i just can i just ask, are you part of the andrew pierce fan club? >> gentleman andrew pierce fan club? listen, as a fleet street journalist, i have nothing but tremendous respect for mr pierce and for you, dawg. the only person on this panel who's not really in the clique and in the club is. >> i'm sorry. >> i'm sorry. >> i've got former mp. >> i've got former mp. >> i've got former mp. >> i've heard that there is an unsigned copy of your book out there somewhere . there somewhere. >> could we talk about the joys of australia? because apparently if you live in australia, you live longer. yeah. well, are we all going to move there? then? >> why would the times put this on the front page of today's paper? no worries mate, head to australia for a life. two years longer. >> so this is the hand of murdoch, isn't it? well, i mean, murdoch, isn't it? well, i mean, murdoch is now 120 years old. yes, but he's officially a wife, number five. >> but he's officially an american now. anyway, he gave up australia the day he wanted to invent fox tv and thought, i don't want to be australian anymore . i mean, but listen, anymore. i mean, but listen, years ago when i went to australia , i thought it was the australia, i thought it was the most fun country in the world. okay. sydney in particular. and i'd go out and i'd party all night and then wake up, you know, 6:30 am. on bondi beach and all that kind of stuff. the middle age babe magnet, the middle age babe magnet, the middle aged babe magnet. but the last time i went about three years ago, it's now one of the most woke countries in the world, and all the bars in sydney close at 1030 at night. okay they've got all these stupid speed restrictions all over the place. there's notices all over the place in a pizza shop. don't buy too much pizza. you shouldn't gorge yourself on pizza. >> no, really. >> no, really. >> nanny state. and can i say this? and this is an apology in advance to any australian friends i've got. have you ever really met an interesting australian apart from mr rupert murdoch? of course. >> clive james. >> clive james. >> well, he's not with us anymore. >> is barry humphries. yeah, yeah. >> you couldn't put rolf harris in that category anymore . in that category anymore. >> oh, but there used to be a marvellously right wing politician called pauline hanson.i politician called pauline hanson. i remember, and pauline hanson, she represented, she was worked with john bjelke—petersen in queensland. >> he was a terrible old racist. >> he was a terrible old racist. >> she actually said, how dare you say i'm homophobic? my house is immaculate. >> oh, yeah. >> oh, yeah. >> but the problem with australia is, is that it's a huge land mass, but only about 5% of it is habitable. so the rest of it nothing happens. and if you ever end up in sort of alice springs or something like that, you, you, you literally go back about six generations to what life used to be like at the turn of the 20th century. >> the trouble is, getting back to the theme of old people. i mean, my perception of australia was always formed by skippy the bush kangaroo . bush kangaroo. >> yeah. no, no. what's that? >> yeah. no, no. what's that? >> skippy? they're strapped down the old opal mine or the flying doctor . doctor. >> you are showing your age? >> you are showing your age? >> warrnambool based a flying doctor, mrs. mckenzie is looking a bit crooked, but you've forgotten the fashion leaders of the day, daktari. >> oh , yeah. >> oh, yeah. >> oh, yeah. >> wasn't daktari the home of the cross—eyed lion? oh, no . the cross—eyed lion? oh, no. >> this has been a presentation by the australian tourist. >> yeah, yeah. that's right. >> yeah, yeah. that's right. >> don't go to australia. >> don't go to australia. >> i did go to melbourne because melbourne is described as the cultural icon in australia. it was so boring. there was nothing to do. i agree. and the only theatre show that was on was the a regional tour of grease. yeah, well, it is a very greek city which is owned by jeffrey archer, by the way. you know, jeffrey archer owns the touring rights of grease all around the world. yeah he owns it. >> i know that tony. >> i know that tony. >> tony hancock went to australia and he died there, didn't he? >> yes he did. yeah, yeah, we should give australia some positives from this report. >> a study has found australians outlive their peers in wealthy engush outlive their peers in wealthy english speaking countries, including britain, america, canada , ireland and new zealand. canada, ireland and new zealand. the outdoor life . the outdoor life. >> it's of course it is outdoor life. >> but in all those other countries, there's more sort of commerce, there's more culture, there's more going on. and i think people in australia have extended lives through sheer boredom. >> well, isn't that the thing about, you know, if you give up smoking, you give up sort of wild sex, you give up partying, you know, you you may not live longer, but do you ever have wild give up? >> did you ever have wild sex to give up? >> well, can we clarify? >> well, can we clarify? >> can we get mrs. can we get mrs. pound on the line? >> i've still got the scratches on it. stop! >> enough. that's all right. i shouldn't have asked that question. >> no. exactly. in any case, i want to ask a question. if you were steady on you, if you were going to go to australia, would you, as men of a certain age, wear flip flops? >> no. now, this is a very good call. >> them thongs, don't forget. >> them thongs, don't forget. >> and i would not wear. >> and i would not wear. >> don't you start again. they are. >> that's what australians call flip flops. >> you've hit on a very good story. i saw that this morning. report that flip flops are the new fashion shoe and all that. >> for me. >> for me. >> well, i tell you what, i've seen a report. i did this about a year ago that flip flops are the most dangerous form of footwear you can possibly wear. not only are they damaging your legs by the fact you have to use muscles to keep them attached to your feet, but they're unstable that people slip on rocks . that people slip on rocks. honestly, there is a catalogue of terrible injuries that people have suffered, and i thought it was irresponsible for the feature. i read this morning not to point out that there is a catalogue of terrible injuries, that people hang on a second, as a former politician, i'm very familiar with flip flops, but but particularly under your current labour leader. >> but surely the dangerous ones would be jemmy shoes or christian louboutin. >> i'm just glancing down now. >> i'm just glancing down now. >> these are very, very safe. >> these are very, very safe. >> these are very. she likes showing her leg off. come on, let's see them. >> i can't i can't get my leg overin >> i can't i can't get my leg over in these trousers. >> look at that shoe. >> look at that shoe. >> oh >> look at that shoe. >> on now is that more dangerous than a flip flop? i would say yes. >> did you know it's not in australia? >> they do actually have high heeled shoe races. >> they have women racing in high heeled shoes. >> it's a thing every year, only this much information, because australia is so boring, >> do you know, did you know that it's not against the law to drive in flip flops in this country? >> and of course it should be. it should be. it should be. of course, because you do. >> you know, a flip flop is only attached to the human body by about one third of a square inch of plastic. >> we've touched a nerve here, haven't we? we really have. >> between your big toe and your toe next to it, they are immensely dangerous. and my advice to all the millions of listeners watching this is don't wear flip flops except on a sandy beach. >> good, good or on a pebbly beach, actually, or on a pebbly beach, actually, or on a pebbly beach because it protects your feet as you go in the sea, beach, sandy beach, but anywhere near a road or anywhere near seagulls or anywhere near seagulls or anywhere near seagulls or anywhere near seagulls or andrew pierce fans. >> but you know, you can pay nearly £800 for flip flops now. >> well, you must be mad. >> well, you must be mad. >> yes, you must be mad. >> yes, you must be mad. >> i would go and get some treatment for anybody who thinks that paying £800 for a flip flop is a good idea. >> yeah. how much would you pay for those shoes, by the way? >> they were half price in the summer and i'm not going there, my husband's watching, right? >> oh, right. i can see him on embarrassing occasion. >> i was introduced to an italian lady of a certain age, and i was admiring her crocodile skin shoes, and she said, oh, dean skin shoes, and she said, oh, dear. actually, i'm in bare feet because your jokes actually get worse every week. >> as ever, the charmer. >> as ever, the charmer. >> can you change the subject for us, mike? of course we can rely on you to change the subject and raise the tone. >> tesco for support. anti shoplift tags on tea bags. what? >> yes. on shoplift tags on tea bags. what? >> yes. oh yeah. >> yes. oh yeah. >> and the tea is in fact yorkshire tea. >> which is the best tea. >> which is the best tea. >> my favourite tea. >> my favourite tea. >> my favourite tea. >> my favourite. >> my favourite. >> i don't want people going around nicking tea but the thing is that it's not just tea bags. now this is an illustration of how serious is getting olive oil, toothpaste, blocks of cheese , toothpaste, blocks of cheese, tins of spam. >> shoplifting has gone nuts, hasn't it ? hasn't it? >> it's gone absolutely nuts. and do you know, i saw a letter in a newspaper, yesterday from somebody who'd been to holland who said they had an epidemic of shoplifting. and what they've doneis shoplifting. and what they've done is shops now. no matter how big or small they are, are being fitted with, railway station style entry and exit, and you can only get out from the inside if you've got a barcode. >> it shows you paid, which shows you paid absolutely a barcode on the corner shop. >> i still remember i was shaking a tin outside tesco's imperial one christmas for doing the collection, and some bloke grabbed a bottle of vodka and raced out and he drank the vodka as he's running across the car park, pursued by two people. but i mean, this is bad news for tea leaves, obviously, but the idea of tea bags, i mean, as far as i'm concerned, can we just say barry's breakfast tea is the finest tea? it is better than yorkshire. >> no, yorkshire tea is the best. but actually this is a serious problem for shops, actually, because if you're a small, if you're a small sole trader, this is your profits are going disappearing. >> and okay, don't get too political, but two tier policing include shoplifting. >> in my view. >> in my view. >> because how can they suddenly get all these police on the streets to stop a riot? that's not going to happen. yeah, yeah. and then say, but we haven't got any policemen to patrol the pavements of our cities and our towns to try and deter shoplifters. >> i think there's two categories there school kids actually, you know, steaming into a shop. and i'm afraid that does happen, particularly when the schools come out. you see, kids will actually rush into a shop. but the other thing is, we saw in the paper yesterday about a woman who had actually travelled from spain to steal handbags. yes she's gone to prison. >> this has been your gb news newspaper and story roundup brought to you by stephen pound and mike perry. sponsored by the australian tourist board. now it's australian tourist board. now wsfime australian tourist board. now it's time for the news headlines with sophia wenzler. good luck, sophia . sophia. >> dawn. thank you. it's 1131. >> dawn. thank you. it's1131. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb news room. the russian city of belgorod has declared a state of emergency after ukraine launched a surprise offensive that zelenskyy has admitted was easy and met with little resistance . and met with little resistance. ukraine has since claimed 1000km of russian land. moscow said its forces had contained the ukrainian army's advance actions in the kirkis region, but ukraine claimed to have controlled more territory in the past 24 hours. evening standard defence editor robert fox says ukraine wants to keep the russians guessing. >> they're probing, they're pushing, yes, you said they've got into the kursk pocket, zelenskyy admitted with great ease. zelenskyy admitted with great ease . they're now probing now ease. they're now probing now away to the south and the east, to belgorod , which is where all to belgorod, which is where all this started, keeping the russians guessing again. the game at the moment is to throw the russians off balance for as much as possible . much as possible. >> now, the latest figures show inflation rose for the first time this year to 2.2% in the 12 months to july. figures are up from 2% in june. the increase was widely predicted and is largely due to prices of gas and electricity falling by less than they did a year before. darrenent is under no illusion as to the scale of the challenge we have inherited . a major we have inherited. a major incident has been declared after a toxic chemical spill in a west midlands canal, walsall council said the environment agency told it about a spillage that went directly into the canal at pleck on monday. the canal water is now being tested for sodium cyanide, which can cause headaches, nausea, changes in heart rate and a loss of consciousness. the public have been warned to avoid the 12 mile stretch of the canal that runs to birmingham . those are the to birmingham. those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm sophia wenzler more in half an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code , alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com. >> forward slash alerts . >> forward slash alerts. >> forward slash alerts. >> cheers! britannia wine club proudly sponsors the gb news financial report , and here's fin

darren is someone who represents a congressional district in illinois. it is a very conservative district, very strong for donald trump. darren supports donald trump very strongly. and he is somebody who is going to work very hard for the re-election of president trump. host: what does that do for family conversation? guest: makes them very lively. host: have you tried to persuade him? guest: well, no, that's not my job. he was freely elected by the people in his district just as i once was. so, we have our views on different political issues and i respect darreny much, i love darren. i think he is a great congressman. i think he represents his district very well. i'm proud of the work that he does. he is on the ways and means committee, the intelligence committee, which i served on in congress. he is on the bipartisan china committee. so, he does the work that needs to be done in congress and represents his 16th congressional district of illinois very, very well and i'm proud of him. host: you talk about not your job. what is your job this week? will you speak from the stage? guest: no, i haven't been invited to speak. i'm here because of the invitation of c-span to be on your program with you, john. then also i'm doing a program later today with the ball simon institute which is located in southern illinois university. they have a program where they invited another former member and a "new york times" reporter to talk about the political atmosphere in illinois and probably a number of or things. so, that is really what i'm doing while i'm he

darren grimes in fontana, akua, on gb news and on digital radio. now, you've been active on gb views. pet gate has been getting some of you going. james says . some of you going. james says. darren, i love the term pet. my old bank manageress was from the northeast. she called us all pets and it was lovely. well, james, i'm afraid post the revolution . your northeast bank revolution. your northeast bank manageress. she's in the gulag for using that ross from cumbria says net zero pet zero. i like what he did there . what's next? what he did there. what's next? wet zero. well, matthew laza wouldn't be on the panel if that's the case. >> i mean, i think pets, i think people darling is a bit sort of patronising. what about love? it's fine because pets kind of gender neutral. >> i call everybody darling. that's because you're very theatrical. yeah. if i can't remember their names, especially. all right. a good catch all. now to get on to the actual great british debate, which isn't on pet gate, i'm asking the question, should police take part in local pride parades ? parades? >> manchester police aren't taking part in pride this year, with officers warned not to decorate their uniforms with any type of emblem or badge or flag. this is in a bid to maintain professional standards across the force . now, this is an issue the force. now, this is an issue that's got a lot of you animated at home too. so for the great british debate, i'm asking should the police take part in local pride parades? well, joining me again, as you know, is political commentator suzanne evans and former labour party adviser matthew laza matthew. i'll start with you. do you have a problem with the police doing this? because you know, there have been videos over the years, recent years of police being seen to be dancing at these pride parades and all kinds of other things. and a lot of people saying, well, i'm not sure about that. are we getting into the realms of a politicised police force? >> i think we don't want a politicised police force, but i don't think appearing at a pride celebration is politicised. any more. in terms of the police's participation , any more than, participation, any more than, you know, appearing at a at a carnival or a fete. we're going to see notting hill carnival this weekend and you will see the police dancing there, as part of maintaining good relations. i mean, i was just, i grew up, i'm from manchester. if i wasn't with you down, i may well be at manchester pride. benjamin butterworth. benjamin butterworth, our colleague, is there. and this is lefties and there. and this is lefties and the tories will be marching, you know, the greater manchester police. when i was growing up, the chief constable, the then notorious chief constable james anderson, said that talking about hiv and aids, that homosexuals were swirling in a human cesspit of their own making. so the police force has had and has had a lot of ground to make up in terms of rebuilding trust and rebuilding relations. i don't think people should be wearing explicit. police officers shouldn't be wearing explicitly political slogans. if there's a particular, you know, demand, you know , for on an issue, you know, for on an issue, a sort of a particular political ask, as it were. no, a general participation in pride parades. and if you know, somebody has a has a rainbow lanyard, i don't think it's the end of the world. i mean, manchester, greater manchester force is getting a lot better, but it's had a lot more to worry about over the last few years than its participation in pride and one day of the year. >> all right. i mean, suzanne, that the argument from viewers, though, is that actually we saw in london the police force took the knee to black lives matter protesters wearing those rainbow lanyards. a lot of people , lanyards. a lot of people, especially this new, horrible , especially this new, horrible, vomit inducing pride flag that's been created over recent years, actually has come to stand for things like the mutilation of young children, for example. so some people might may well be of the view that actually to wear that rainbow lanyard is to take a position in and of itself. >> i think it is. a position in and of itself. >> i think it is . it absolutely >> i think it is. it absolutely is, particularly, as you say, the new one, which has included the new one, which has included the trans agenda, which many gay people who are very good friends of mine say, actually, well, that's not right. this is not about the trans issue is completely different from from homosexuality. completely different. it shouldn't really have any part in that. and it's interesting, i think even some hard liners in the kind of lgbt plus whatever network are beginning to recognise that now that in fact this is potentially harming their cause and is tending to row back from it, which i think is a very good thing, because, as you say, ultimately we have seen children abused and mutilated as a result of this philosophy, and i think it's going to be a massive scandal in years to come. it's already coming out like that, and i think it's just going to snowball and get get worse and worse. actually. it's dreadful what's been done as far as greater manchester police are concerned, i think this is absolutely the right decision. >> do you buy into what matthew said, though, about actually in the past mistakes have been made. so maybe this is rectified. >> and i was horrified when matthew said what the police had said. i mean, that'sjust unforgivable , really, but unforgivable, really, but there's a limit, isn't there, to how much you can keep flagellating yourself and apologising constantly. you have to take a view for the here and now and ultimately , policing now and ultimately, policing should not be politicised and i don't think police should be participating in and demonstrating in the way that they do with pride. they should like they shouldn't be taking part in any other protest. they're there to police it , they're there to police it, that's all. not to join in. >> now, the reason a lot of viewers are getting involved in this, matthew, they're saying, well, actually we're already witnessing the fragmentation of britain, right? where they say that actually there's a two tier police network service and or policing and that actually the way to rectify that is to strip it back, get back to basics. was that a john major like it was? >> it was it didn't end well for john major. it didn't. you're too young to remember that. >> well, yeah. and i was just born and he. well, back then the police weren't known to be associated with political movements. now, actually, because the pride movement has become. so i would argue, toxic because of its association with what i think has been a really terrible era for our country , terrible era for our country, that there are real problems to associate the police with. >> so i think let's just look at what we're talking about here is, i mean, there's a big, huge debate about the trans issue, you know, i think some mistakes have been made and we clearly saw that in the, in the cass review with how people have been treated. i don't believe that anybody under 16 should in any way be considered for any surgery or reversible, anything that's irreversible in terms of puberty blockers. but i do think we need to support trans young people. but i don't think but that's why i backed the cass review, as the government does on the issue of greater manchester police. i thought it was daft when the national trust tried to make every every volunteer wear a pride lanyard. on the other hand, i think it's also daft to say you can't wear also daft to say you can't wear a pride lanyard if you so choose. so i mean, what we're talking about there will be police. there'll always be police. there'll always be police at the parade actually doing the police function as it were. but in terms of because it's obviously a very, very big gathering of tens indeed hundreds of thousands of people at the biggest prides like manchester and london and brighton. and what you actually have is in terms of their police, people who are volunteering mostly, lesbian and gay police officers themselves, they're marching in the parade. i think it's fine for them if they're in the parade to wear a pride flag, if the people are serving as in keeping the public order, then they shouldn't be wearing any insignia other than the police uniform, danny says. >> in gb views, manchester police have been told not to decorate their cars in pride flags or wear pride badges, etc. but for years millions in taxpayer cash has been wasted on advertising it on police cars, ambulances, buses and all sorts. it should never have happened in the first place. i was actually told that in northumberland police and northumbria police rather that one of the trans cars, it has a trans flag on it and not it's not driven by a trans person. to clarify, it's inoperable. they can't use it because of its colours and all of its what's on it. >> so it's there for show because it doesn't because it doesn't pass. you have to have certain regulations about what it is. and i thought this just exposes the whole farce of this whole thing. >> you know , i really you know, >> you know, i really you know, i'm no way not supportive of gay people. i'm completely accepting of gay people. just to put that on the record. but i hate seeing the pride flag hoisted above pubuc the pride flag hoisted above public buildings. i hate seeing it on zebra crossings. i don't like seeing it on police cars and seeing it pushed in your face. it's not acceptable. the fact is, gay people are welcome and fully included in our society, and there is no need for this anymore. yeah, and it's a waste of public money. it should fly the union jack. >> that's what i see. right, folks? thank you very much, matthew. thank you very much. suzanne. you're with darren and on digital radio. coming up. it's the pulse. we'll have more on that in just a welcome back. you're with darren grimes on gb news, on tv and on digital radio in for nana akua now , folks, the government has now, folks, the government has extended a temporary ban on puberty blockers to also include northern ireland. the drugs work by suppressing the release of hormones and can be prescribed to children questioning their gender from a very young age . is gender from a very young age. is this the right call? well, joining me to discuss is the nhs gp, david lloyd. david, thank you very much for your company. i wonder this this debate has really come to the fore over recent years and certainly since the cass review has been expedited. where do you stand on the cass review? independent as it was and the findings that were unearthed within it ? were unearthed within it? >> so just to correct you, this is this latest statement that's been issued is about private prescriptions. >> so 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darren magnier, the director of animal welfare and research at the oakland zoo. darren, thank you for the time and for coming in here. i know this is an issue that is really important to you personally. let's start off with helping people understand why is it so detrimental to the health and well-being of primates to be owned by a private citizen, as opposed to being in a professional facility? >> well, all of us have seen primates on social media especially, you know, looking at them either dressed up in costumes or in diapers doing human things. owners, you know, really showing their compassion for those animals. it's easy for us to understand what you know, the connection that people have to these animals. but we have to realize they're wild animals, and it's hard for us to manage them in captivity. their diet is very different, especially for which species that we're trying to feed them to. if they're browsers or if they're fruit eaters, they have highly complex social family groups. and so we just as humans can't provide all of that. and so we've been working with legislators and a lot of other organizations to write this new federal legislation to make sure that not only people are safe, but also the animal's well-being is the best that we can provide, regardless of where they live. >> so, darren, talk a little specifics here. what would this legislation do? >> so the captive primate safety act is an amendment to an existing federal legislation that provides the first federal ban on private ownership, which includes the breeding and the trade of primates across the u.s. currently, it's a patchwork. and so every state has a different regulation. even different localities do. and most states don't have much, if any, regulation at all. >> yeah, it is illegal here in california, though, we should point out for a private citizen to own a primate, yet still people are finding ways to, to obtain them and having them in their homes or on their properties. we also want to put up another statistic here, because a lot of those animals who are recovered, those primates who are recovered, they wind up at the oakland zoo. and since 2021, the oakland zoo has helped to rescue more than 90 primates, victims of the exotic pet trade, roadside zoos, or potentially other criminal activity. when th

darren byler, actually, he got to know how to film during his fieldwork there and and then had to entrusted his manuscript with, to wit, with darren and and then told professor byler that pressed professor byler to translate them and to publish them to face a wider audience. and actually professor byler, in his forwarding his translators notes to the backstreets, commented that for a while he actually betrayed had two sons wishes and how to the manuscript back because he did not wish to endanger the author as well as the anonymous translator. but later, when he learned the news of this long prison sentence and he understood it, that there is a moral and a social responsibility to bring this book out into the world. and that was when he contacted publishers. and this novel in translation as the first wake or novel translated to english, was published by columbia university press. and darren byler is the author of the other book that young, young chang reviewed terror capitalism, wigger, dispossession and masculinity in a chinese city. is he a colleague of yours or is professor byler somebody you work with? mm hmm. so he's a colleague of mine in the broader sense, my own approach towards book reviews is that i do not review books of close friends or close colleagues directly collaborate with and he is someone whose work that i have learned from and observed from a distance for a while and also, i think and as i answered earlier, i have a unique approach and perspective to this story, partly because of my background as a han chinese woman born and raised in china, and partly because of my work as a historian of science. with regards to china that deals with the dynamics of science at the border. and from your review of terror capitalism, you write, quote, as the earlier chapters of terror, capitalism masterfully elude to date racial subjugation and colonization are not exc

before we can start on creditor over to darren curtis vice president federal at trend micro who's been in such a partner in this for some opening remarks as well. darren, over to you. [applause] >> at the risk of not being in a coach and make this fairly short. first of all thank you very much to the chamber of commerce for hosting the event today. they have been an outstanding partner of trend micro over the years. thank you to karros out for lunch and breakfast and coffee and being part of this as well. and very important that we are all working together. like to think there are potentially somma people we compete with on a day-to-day basis in the room today because cybersecurity is all of us. we're not competing against each other. we need to work together on this. but thank you in particular to dion williams on our team who put this together with the chamber and care soft, would like to call her out because of the individual virtues done and the entire team and unison with her. today is an important day for those of you who are not asked me with trend micro speaking to someone earlier who recognizes this as an antivirus company on the consumer sid

before we can start on creditor over to darren curtis vice president federal at trend micro who's been in such a partner in this for some opening remarks as well. darren, over to you. [applause] >> at the risk of not being in a coach and make this fairly short. first of all thank you very much to the chamber of commerce for hosting the event today. they have been an outstanding partner of trend micro over the years. thank you to karros out for lunch and breakfast and coffee and being part of this as well. and very important that we are all working together. like to think there are potentially somma people we compete with on a day-to-day basis in the room today because cybersecurity is all of us. we're not competing against each other. we need to work together on this. but thank you in particular to dion williams on our team who put this together with the chamber and care soft, would like to call her out because of the individual virtues done and the entire team and unison with her. today is an important day for those of you who are not asked me with trend micro speaking to someone earlier who recognizes this as an antivirus company on the consumer sid

tonight because darren grimes is away sunning himself, and you may have noficed himself, and you may have noticed the empty chair up there, which will be explained in due course, he, darrenys calling the government, calling for the government to keep undesirables out of the country . so this could be the country. so this could be the last that we see of him. you may notice, as i say, that we are for the saturday this evening, because ben leo will be joining us asap. he is currently hotfooting it back from aberdeen where he's been doing a very exciting interview with no less than eric trump. and we will have some great clips of that interview later in the show . interview later in the show. thank goodness there is one man that we can count on to be mr reliable. benjamin butterworth is returning to his rightful role as the darling of gb news viewers. >> they keep asking me to leave, but i still turn up. >> also with me is the wonderful gp and author renee hoenderkamp and making her debut on the show, the brilliant political commentator claire pearsall now you all know the drill. each

darren grimes is away sunning himself, and you may have noficed himself, and you may have noticed the empty chair up there, which will be explained in due course, he, darren is always calling the government , always calling the government, calling for the government to keep undesirables out of the country . so this could be the country. so this could be the last that we see of him. you may notice, as i say, that we are for the saturday this evening, because ben leo will be joining us asap. he is currently hotfooting it back from aberdeen where he's been doing a very exciting interview with no less than eric trump. and we will have some great clips of that interview later in the show . interview later in the show. thank goodness there is one man that we can count on to be mr reliable. benjamin butterworth is returning to his rightful role as the darling of gb news viewers. >> they keep asking me to leave, but i still turn up. >> also with me is the wonderful gp and author renee hoenderkamp and making her debut on the show, the brilliant political commentator claire pearsall now you all know the drill. each host outlines their argument about their chosen topic and then we all pile in and the fur starts to fly. and of course we want to know your views as well. so do send in your views and post your comments by visiting gbnews.com/yoursay and don't forget to get your questions in forget to get your questions in for ask the five. no topics are off limits, but before we start tearing each other apart, it's your news with tatiana sanchez . your news with tatiana sanchez. >> emma, thank you very much and good evening. the top stories protests have been taking place in several parts of the country today. ministers met this afternoon to discuss the potential for further widespread disorder. and in that meeting with senior mps, the prime minister said the right to freedom of expression and the violent disorder we've seen are two very different things. he also said there's no excuse for violence of any kind. the deputy prime minister said they're working with local authorities to ensure members of the community, who've been targeted by thuggish extremists have the support they need . merseyside support they need. merseyside police have said a number of officers have been injured dunng officers have been injured during serious disorder in liverpool city centre. in hull, around 100 people gathered outside a migrant hotel being guarded by police, where a window was also smashed. at least three people were led away in handcuffs as demonstrators faced counter—protesters in nottingham. meanwhile, police in riot gear were deployed in belfast amid tense exchanges between protesters and an anti—racism rally, with a small number of fireworks also being thrown . northumberland police thrown. northumberland police have accused protesters of unforgivable violence and disorder following rioting in sunderland city centre last night. videos posted on social media showed a former police office ablaze while a mosque was also targeted. vehicles were overturned and set on fire as rioters clashed with officers throwing rocks and bottles. five police officers were injured with four hospitalised and ten people arrested for offences including violent disorder and burglary . home secretary yvette burglary. home secretary yvette cooper says police have the government's full backing to take the action. they need against violent protesters. >> well , against violent protesters. >> well, criminal violence and disorder has no place on britain's streets. we've been clear to the police that they have our full backing in taking the strongest possible action against perpetrators, including were making sure that there are more prosecutors , there are more prosecutors, there are sufficient prison places and also that the courts stand ready because anyone who engages in this kind of disorder needs to be clear that they will pay the price. >> the uk's most senior police and crime commissioner is urging the government to explain how it will solve mass, uncontrolled immigration following rioting and civil unrest . donna jones is and civil unrest. donna jones is calling for sir keir starmer to address protesters concerns, as the country faces more than 30 demonstrations this weekend alone. she said the announcement of the prime minister's new violent crime units has led to an accusation of two tier policing and inflamed protesters . policing and inflamed protesters. the 17 year old, accused of murdering three girls in southport, once starred as doctor who in a bbc children in need advert. then 11 year old axel rudakubana can be seen leaving the tardis in 2018 and telling viewers how to best raise money. it's understood the teenager was found for the video through a casting agency. a spokesman for bbc children in need said they had removed the video out of respect for those impacted by the shocking case. in other news, two men have appeared in court charged in connection with an alleged arson attack on ukrainian linked businesses in london. 22 year old jakeem barrington rose, of croydon, a 19 year old igneous yasmin of wandsworth, have both been charged with aggravated arson following a counter—terrorism investigation. rose was also charged with possession of an offensive weapon. the metropolitan police believe the offences were carried out on behalf of russia's wagner group . donald russia's wagner group. donald trump has agreed to debate vice president kamala harris. he accepted an offer from fox news for a televised face off on the 4th of september. it's not yet known if the presumptive democratic nominee will agree to take part, although she has previously indicated she is ready. trump says the debate will feature a full arena audience, with kamala . harris audience, with kamala. harris has responded today in a statement accusing the former president of running scared and suggesting he should stick to the debate. he, quote, already committed to on the 10th of september, he agreed to do two debates with president biden, but unfortunately , president but unfortunately, president biden didn't have the ability to go the length. >> the full length of the distance. and he donald trump feels a little bit cheated that he has spent all of this money and campaigning against somebody who is obviously a zombie candidate. in addition to that, he's got a current litigation with george stephanopoulos and abc. and so he no longer feels that since the terms have changed, that he should have to do the debate there. and it looks like as of this morning, per his own messages on truth social, that there will be a debate, it will be in pennsylvania, and it will be two days before early voting starts. >> and great britain's jake jarman took bronze in the men's floor final to win the nation's first artistic gymnastics medal of the paris olympic games. he was just 0.033 points behind the silver medallist and defending champion. 22 year old jarvis went into the final with the highest score in qualifying , and highest score in qualifying, and also topped the floor standings dunng also topped the floor standings during the men's all around final , and during the men's all around final, and those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm tatiana sanchez. more in an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> it's saturday night and you're with the saturday vie. i'm emma webb and i can promise that you are in for a very lively show. so let's crack on with the first debate of tonight. and as this may be my only chance to call the shots on this show, so i am going to lead us off now , week after week us off now, week after week after week, masses of people marched through the streets, streets chanting anti—semitic slogans. people begged the police to do something, even when a giant banner was held up branded with the name of a known islamist group. even then, when people chanted for jihad, we were told, nah, it's just meant in a spiritual sense. the same with black lives matter. the message was clear destroy what you want. if you've got large enough numbers, the police won't lift a finger. and then we end up with leads where we saw the police fleeing the scene, leaving locals with chaos, disorder and a bus in flames. again, the message was clear if you want something and you want to be heard, you go on a rampage. but as we have seen this week, the police do still know how to police . they can use know how to police. they can use their powers when they want to . their powers when they want to. so people legitimately ask why did they cower in the corner at the other disorderly protests? why the strong words all of a sudden from that pompous westminster princeling two tier care. so guys, benjamin, we never agree with each other. do you think the two tier policing is part of the problem here, >> well, look, when the black lives matter riots happened alongside the legitimate protests, both suella braverman as home secretary and yvette cooper as the opposition said that the rioters element of that was unacceptable. i don't think there was a two tier, but where i think the hypocrisy comes in is that last week you had all these people, these right wingers lining up to say, just stop oil and they're peaceful protests, though i do think it was illegal, but it was peaceful. should get their five years in prison for what they'd done, what they've done. we should condemn them. they are appalling. they are a threat to the democracy. they are mob rule and days later, as angry white men start throwing bricks at a mosque and start attacking police officers, they say, but it's a legitimate concern. i think the two tier is in the hypocrisy of those right wingers who have one rule forjust hypocrisy of those right wingers who have one rule for just stop oil and another for angry racists, but i would think i would say that the difference there, surely, renee, is the fact that that the people on the right have been saying while there might be legitimate reasons to be angry about this, it's . it's. >> everybody has been very clear in caveating that by saying, but it's not legitimate to then go and criminal damage burning down police stations. it's possible to say that someone's grievance is legitimate because of course, it's naturally you'll get angry if children are being butchered in cold blood. but people are not actually justifying the action. i think that's the difference from just stop oil. >> i think that is the difference. and also two things can be true at the same time. you know, people can see that there's a problem and people are unhappy but not agree with burning police cars because that's going to make the problem worse. we need more police, more police cars. but in terms of your just stop oil, police cars. but in terms of yourjust stop oil, comparison, your just stop oil, comparison, that's like saying that because just stop oil got five years, someone else should get ten years. maybe the just stop oil was right and everybody else needs even harsher sentences. i don't think you can use an old, but whataboutery just stop oil to compare. i don't think it's an equal comparison because a these people have not gone to court yet, so don't have a sentence. they might get 50 years. i doubt it, but they might just stop oil went to court. they were found guilty. they were punished. nothing to do with this, benjamin. nothing. >> but the reaction is extraordinarily telling in that when these men, many of whom i do not believe, have great informed concerns about immigration, i think they are just angry , drunk men that like just angry, drunk men that like fighting. these are the kind of people they get off their faces at a football match and go home and beat their wives. these are bad people and their politics don't matter. >> so, benjamin, you're a journalist, so normally you would say probably you would have a reason for believing certain things . if it were an certain things. if it were an islamist protest, for example, would you run through the same assumptions? >> well, i've been outspoken the whole time about how jewish people in this country have been made to be fearful about going into central london, about going about their normal lives. if people had been , you would people had been, you would agree, though, that those protests weren't properly policed and should have been properly policed. yeah. i think you saw the example of, gideon something or other. the jewish leader who tried to cross the road in central london after with his kippah on, i think after being at synagogue and was blocked because it was seen as a political statement that could be provocative. that was wrong. but can i just point out that there has been far more acceptance of people throwing bncks acceptance of people throwing bricks and damaging a mosque than if that had happened at a synagogue? why is it that some people sympathise with that and say, oh, but they must have legitimate concerns. that's really dangerous. >> get a word in because that's not true, is it because it's been roundly condemned? there's been roundly condemned? there's been talk of, you know, a press prime minister at a press conference about cracking down on it. >> i don't think the prime minister's got about it in the right way, because all he's done is inflame tension within other religions by saying, well, hold up a second. what about this? the situation with synagogues? why should muslims and mosques be singled out? i think the problem comes when you have people turning up for a protest in a town that they have no connection with, simply looking for a fight and we have seen that they don't entirely know what they're doing, and it's little wonder that the police are going to crack down on it when they have seen the behaviour of marches, either earlier in the day or the day before, with similar groups of people. so i can understand from the police's point of view they're going to come down hard on it. i think just stop oil as much as i dislike the organisation, i'm very, very pleased. they had long prison sentences. it is not comparable to this. it really isn't. i don't think you can conflate those two. >> but also we've seen other things this week. we've seen people that work here martin daubney people in handcuffs for doing his job, whereas yeah, he was put in handcuffs at one of the protests this week for being there to report on it. but at there to report on it. but at the same time, when he was at a palestine march, pointing out to them where they were projecting onto the houses of parliament, they wouldn't take any notice of him or arrest those people. >> but 73 year old woman doesn't. benjamin's argument actually prove the point that actually, because those protests weren't policed properly, that's the reason why people think, well, i can go out and i can riot and there won't be consequences now. maybe there will be consequences. but the point is that those previous protests, i mean, just stop oil is actually a good example, extinction rebellion, and they did all sorts of criminal damage and got away with that. >> but i think also that we don't know the entirety of the policing operation, and neither should we. we see pieces on social media or if people have managed to be down at a part of a of a protest, but we don't see all of it. we don't know how many people have been arrested at each event for whatever reason. so i think that we have to well, no, i do think you have to well, no, i do think you have to be a little bit careful by saying that you can't have one protest and you can have another one, because we don't know the policing and the intelligence. >> i have to interrupt because we have some breaking news. ben leo is here with us in the studio. here he comes , having studio. here he comes, having hotfooted it all the way from, from aberdeen. >> a man waiting for. i think he was. he's doing impersonation of david ives. >> it seems he's picked up darrenaccent whilst in scotland. >> who's going to get me a cup of tea then all the morning. >> did you pick up that accent when you were on your way through durham? >> oh my. back on the train. geordie accent. isn't it scottish? what? what are they, eric trump, donald trump's son, the vice president of trump international. i'm sinking in my seat. yeah. amazing. unfortunately, i've had a bit of a hectic week. when it comes to planes. apparently, planes in this country now are akin to southern rail trains, where they're just cancelled willy nilly . so up at 4 am. went to nilly. so up at 4 am. went to to fly aberdeen to go and meet eric trump. flight was cancelled. so we had to fly to inverness, get a two hour taxi to inverness. it must be knackered. i'm very tired. it's been a gruelling couple of weeks on the floor of the airport. not again. no not again. >> they gave you a food voucher or something didn't they. >> oh well yeah, that was in the week when i came back from dundee. they gave us

darren grimes is away sunning himself, and you may have noficed himself, and you may have noticed the empty chair up there, which will be explained in due course, he, darren is always calling the government , always calling the government, calling for the government to keep undesirables out of the country . so this could be the country. so this could be the last that we see of him. you may notice, as i say, that we are for the saturday this evening, because ben leo will be joining us asap. he is currently hotfooting it back from aberdeen where he's been doing a very exciting interview with no less than eric trump. and we will have some great clips of that interview later in the show . interview later in the show. thank goodness there is one man that we can count on to be mr reliable. benjamin butterworth is returning to his rightful role as the darling of gb news viewers. >> they keep asking me to leave, but i still turn up. >> also with me is the wonderful gp and author renee hoenderkamp and making her debut on the show, the brilliant political commentator claire pearsall now you all know the drill. each host outlines their argument about their chosen topic and then we all pile in and the fur starts to fly. and of course we want to know your views as well. so do send in your views and post your comments by visiting gbnews.com/yoursay and don't forget to get your questions in forget to get your questions in for ask the five. no topics are off limits, but before we start tearing each other apart, it's your news with tatiana sanchez . your news with tatiana sanchez. >> emma, thank you very much and good evening. the top stories protests have been taking place in several parts of the country today. ministers met this afternoon to discuss the potential for further widespread disorder. and in that meeting with senior mps, the prime minister said the right to freedom of expression and the violent disorder we've seen are two very different things. he also said there's no excuse for violence of any kind. the deputy prime minister said they're working with local authorities to ensure members of the community, who've been targeted by thuggish extremists have the support they need . merseyside support they need. merseyside police have said a number of officers have been injured dunng officers have been injured during serious disorder in liverpool city centre. in hull, around 100 people gathered outside a migrant hotel being guarded by police, where a window was also smashed. at least three people were led away in handcuffs as demonstrators faced counter—protesters in nottingham. meanwhile, police in riot gear were deployed in belfast amid tense exchanges between protesters and an anti—racism rally, with a small number of fireworks also being thrown . northumberland police thrown. northumberland police have accused protesters of unforgivable violence and disorder following rioting in sunderland city centre last night. videos posted on social media showed a former police office ablaze while a mosque was also targeted. vehicles were overturned and set on fire as rioters clashed with officers throwing rocks and bottles. five police officers were injured with four hospitalised and ten people arrested for offences including violent disorder and burglary . home secretary yvette burglary. home secretary yvette cooper says police have the government's full backing to take the action. they need against violent protesters. >> well , against violent protesters. >> well, criminal violence and disorder has no place on britain's streets. we've been clear to the police that they have our full backing in taking the strongest possible action against perpetrators, including were making sure that there are more prosecutors , there are more prosecutors, there are sufficient prison places and also that the courts stand ready because anyone who engages in this kind of disorder needs to be clear that they will pay the price. >> the uk's most senior police and crime commissioner is urging the government to explain how it will solve mass, uncontrolled immigration following rioting and civil unrest . donna jones is and civil unrest. donna jones is calling for sir keir starmer to address protesters concerns, as the country faces more than 30 demonstrations this weekend alone. she said the announcement of the prime minister's new violent crime units has led to an accusation of two tier policing and inflamed protesters . policing and inflamed protesters. the 17 year old, accused of murdering three girls in southport, once starred as doctor who in a bbc children in need advert. then 11 year old axel rudakubana can be seen leaving the tardis in 2018 and telling viewers how to best raise money. it's understood the teenager was found for the video through a casting agency. a spokesman for bbc children in need said they had removed the video out of respect for those impacted by the shocking case. in other news, two men have appeared in court charged in connection with an alleged arson attack on ukrainian linked businesses in london. 22 year old jakeem barrington rose, of croydon, a 19 year old igneous yasmin of wandsworth, have both been charged with aggravated arson following a counter—terrorism investigation. rose was also charged with possession of an offensive weapon. the metropolitan police believe the offences were carried out on behalf of russia's wagner group . donald russia's wagner group. donald trump has agreed to debate vice president kamala harris. he accepted an offer from fox news for a televised face off on the 4th of september. it's not yet known if the presumptive democratic nominee will agree to take part, although she has previously indicated she is ready. trump says the debate will feature a full arena audience, with kamala . harris audience, with kamala. harris has responded today in a statement accusing the former president of running scared and suggesting he should stick to the debate. he, quote, already committed to on the 10th of september, he agreed to do two debates with president biden, but unfortunately , president but unfortunately, president biden didn't have the ability to go the length. >> the full length of the distance. and he donald trump feels a little bit cheated that he has spent all of this money and campaigning against somebody who is obviously a zombie candidate. in addition to that, he's got a current litigation with george stephanopoulos and abc. and so he no longer feels that since the terms have changed, that he should have to do the debate there. and it looks like as of this morning, per his own messages on truth social, that there will be a debate, it will be in pennsylvania, and it will be two days before early voting starts. >> and great britain's jake jarman took bronze in the men's floor final to win the nation's first artistic gymnastics medal of the paris olympic games. he was just 0.033 points behind the silver medallist and defending champion. 22 year old jarvis went into the final with the highest score in qualifying , and highest score in qualifying, and also topped the floor standings dunng also topped the floor standings during the men's all around final , and during the men's all around final, and those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm tatiana sanchez. more in an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> it's saturday night and you're with the saturday vie. i'm emma webb and i can promise that you are in for a very lively show. so let's crack on with the first debate of tonight. and as this may be my only chance to call the shots on this show, so i am going to lead us off now , week after week us off now, week after week after week, masses of people marched through the streets, streets chanting anti—semitic slogans. people begged the police to do something, even when a giant banner was held up branded with the name of a known islamist group. even then, when people chanted for jihad, we were told, nah, it's just meant in a spiritual sense. the same with black lives matter. the message was clear destroy what you want. if you've got large enough numbers, the police won't lift a finger. and then we end up with leads where we saw the police fleeing the scene, leaving locals with chaos, disorder and a bus in flames. again, the message was clear if you want something and you want to be heard, you go on a rampage. but as we have seen this week, the police do still know how to police . they can use know how to police. they can use their powers when they want to . their powers when they want to. so people legitimately ask why did they cower in the corner at the other disorderly protests? why the strong words all of a sudden from that pompous westminster princeling two tier care. so guys, benjamin, we never agree with each other. do you think the two tier policing is part of the problem here, >> well, look, when the black lives matter riots happened alongside the legitimate protests, both suella braverman as home secretary and yvette cooper as the opposition said that the rioters element of that was unacceptable. i don't think there was a two tier, but where i think the hypocrisy comes in is that last week you had all these people, these right wingers lining up to say, just stop oil and they're peaceful protests, though i do think it was illegal, but it was peaceful. should get their five years in prison for what they'd done, what they've done. we should condemn them. they are appalling. they are a threat to the democracy. they are mob rule and days later, as angry white men start throwing bricks at a mosque and start attacking police officers, they say, but it's a legitimate concern. i think the two tier is in the hypocrisy of those right wingers who have one rule forjust hypocrisy of those right wingers who have one rule for just stop oil and another for angry racists, but i would think i would say that the difference there, surely, renee, is the fact that that the people on the right have been saying while there might be legitimate reasons to be angry about this, it's . it's. >> everybody has been very clear in caveating that by saying, but it's not legitimate to then go and criminal damage burning down police stations. it's possible to say that someone's grievance is legitimate because of course, it's naturally you'll get angry if children are being butchered in cold blood. but people are not actually justifying the action. i think that's the difference from just stop oil. >> i think that is the difference. and also two things can be true at the same time. you know, people can see that there's a problem and people are unhappy but not agree with burning police cars because that's going to make the problem worse. we need more police, more police cars. but in terms of your just stop oil, police cars. but in terms of yourjust stop oil, comparison, your just stop oil, comparison, that's like saying that because just stop oil got five years, someone else should get ten years. maybe the just stop oil was right and everybody else needs even harsher sentences. i don't think you can use an old, but whataboutery just stop oil to compare. i don't think it's an equal comparison because a these people have not gone to court yet, so don't have a sentence. they might get 50 years. i doubt it, but they might just stop oil went to court. they were found guilty. they were punished. nothing to do with this, benjamin. nothing. >> but the reaction is extraordinarily telling in that when these men, many of whom i do not believe, have great informed concerns about immigration, i think they are just angry , drunk men that like just angry, drunk men that like fighting. these are the kind of people they get off their faces at a football match and go home and beat their wives. these are bad people and their politics don't matter. >> so, benjamin, you're a journalist, so normally you would say probably you would have a reason for believing certain things . if it were an certain things. if it were an islamist protest, for example, would you run through the same assumptions? >> well, i've been outspoken the whole time about how jewish people in this country have been made to be fearful about going into central london, about going about their normal lives. if people had been , you would people had been, you would agree, though, that those protests weren't properly policed and should have been properly policed. yeah. i think you saw the example of, gideon something or other. the jewish leader who tried to cross the road in central london after with his kippah on, i think after being at synagogue and was blocked because it was seen as a political statement that could be provocative. that was wrong. but can i just point out that there has been far more acceptance of people throwing bncks acceptance of people throwing bricks and damaging a mosque than if that had happened at a synagogue? why is it that some people sympathise with that and say, oh, but they must have legitimate concerns. that's really dangerous. >> get a word in because that's not true, is it because it's been roundly condemned? there's been roundly condemned? there's been talk of, you know, a press prime minister at a press conference about cracking down on it. >> i don't think the prime minister's got about it in the right way, because all he's done is inflame tension within other religions by saying, well, hold up a second. what about this? the situation with synagogues? why should muslims and mosques be singled out? i think the problem comes when you have people turning up for a protest in a town that they have no connection with, simply looking for a fight and we have seen that they don't entirely know what they're doing, and it's little wonder that the police are going to crack down on it when they have seen the behaviour of marches, either earlier in the day or the day before, with similar groups of people. so i can understand from the police's point of view they're going to come down hard on it. i think just stop oil as much as i dislike the organisation, i'm very, very pleased. they had long prison sentences. it is not comparable to this. it really isn't. i don't think you can conflate those two. >> but also we've seen other things this week. we've seen people that work here martin daubney people in handcuffs for doing his job, whereas yeah, he was put in handcuffs at one of the protests this week for being there to report on it. but at there to report on it. but at the same time, when he was at a palestine march, pointing out to them where they were projecting onto the houses of parliament, they wouldn't take any notice of him or arrest those people. >> but 73 year old woman doesn't. benjamin's argument actually prove the point that actually, because those protests weren't policed properly, that's the reason why people think, well, i can go out and i can riot and there won't be consequences now. maybe there will be consequences. but the point is that those previous protests, i mean, just stop oil is actually a good example, extinction rebellion, and they did all sorts of criminal damage and got away with that. >> but i think also that we don't know the entirety of the policing operation, and neither should we. we see pieces on social media or if people have managed to be down at a part of a of a protest, but we don't see all of it. we don't know how many people have been arrested at each event for whatever reason. so i think that we have to well, no, i do think you have to well, no, i do think you have to be a little bit careful by saying that you can't have one protest and you can have another one, because we don't know the policing and the intelligence. >> i have to interrupt because we have some breaking news. ben leo is here with us in the studio. here he comes , having studio. here he comes, having hotfooted it all the way from, from aberdeen. >> a man waiting for. i think he was. he's doing impersonation of david ives. >> it seems he's picked up darrencent whilst in scotland. >> who's going to get me a cup of tea then all the morning. >> did you pick up that accent when you were on your way through durham? >> oh my. back on the train. geordie accent. isn't it scottish? what? what are they, eric trump, donald trump's son, the vice president of trump international. i'm sinking in my seat. yeah. amazing. unfortunately, i've had a bit of a hectic week. when it comes to planes. apparently, planes in this country now are akin to southern rail trains, where they're just cancelled willy nilly . so up at 4 am. went to nilly. so up at 4 am. went to to fly aberdeen to go and meet eric trump. flight was cancelled. so we had to fly to inverness, get a two hour taxi to inverness. it must be knackered. i'm very tired. it's been a gruelling couple of weeks on the floor of the airport. not again. no not again. >> they gave you a food voucher or something didn't they. >> oh well yeah, that was in the week when i came back from dundee. they gave us a

darren two things i heard i wanted to pick up on, chris talking about with the critical infrastructure being very real today this is no longer hypothetical talking a little bit more about that in what darren said the partnership of the government and among the private sector i was at semantics for eight years with theer government relations and also partnerships other companies and that is the key piece of all of this, refocusing the big for having change prc, dprk, i ran in different levels of sophistication all becoming more sophisticated but the sad reality they don't have to be the sophisticated to beo successful that is the enduring problem in the thing i thought about the most sense i came in and we read about multi-food confirmed compromised by the prc of our critical infrastructure in a variety of sectors. i think that's getting plenty of attention but i'm going to answer your question that is something that we need to ensure continues to get attention in what worries me and starts feeling like the flavor of the day in the something new we need to talk about and worry about but if you look at the reporting that we put out in the organization has put out and the hearing that director easterly and director wray in the general that is how government and congress should work a sober way that they reflected on what is happening with shared information to the public this is a generational problem in a generational issue and on the one hand protection, it is also hitting back to so secure by nine and it's so vulnerable and living off the land is so effective. we cannot lose focus on that. . . . >> collaboration is key. programs dedicated cyber, how are you looking to expand programs? what does it look like to you? >> we we have a lot of programs that are effective. we need to make sure they're all communicating on the backend that you in the private sector know who you could come too. more importantly you know to the nsa you go to the fbi we are going to share that information. it should not be looking to the rolodex to figure out who to call. there is been a dramatic improvement in that on the backend and hopefully sing that on the front end from the premier collaboration form. we are holding an open house. pretty early on i'll tell a quick story. i was at the white house at the end of 2021. i was leading the defensive side efforts a little bit of a busy time. the russians had not yet invaded we were quite worried and very public about russian response. in the middle of that it happened. we overworked security folks the private sector per with overworked government folks. we had to deal with that. it was brand-new then. i started getting calls from friends in the private sector i'd get text we come out of the skiff they wanted to talk to me. i assumed they wanted to tell me what a disaster it was. thinking that i don't have time i finally called back one who was a close friend heat related with great surprise in his h voe this is been great to they stood up these channels we are communicating. we really have added value. the calls i was getting this is actually working for those a great place to start. but to some degree that was easy part responding to an incident is what you do well, what we do well. what we are working on what's his steady-state relationship a steady-state relationship mean? how does it differ between different partners? how can we explain to you all on a bumper sticker or one sentence but it means your partner but we cannot explain it is going to be hard for us to understand what we're driving toward. >> a lot there. the one thing i want to add on ensuring one of the first things i asked for was a with the full briefing. we set that up and went in the room and about halfway through i looked or the folks i know pretty well why are we in a skiff? the reality is there's so little information we are not sharing on that and other issues. want to think about where to improve, that frankly is not one of them. we have pushed out the information. you look at the hearing, look at cyber security advisory we put out. so that type of information, that type of sharing we've reached it. other so we have to improve but we reach a pretty good level. >> so, glad you expand on that. the open house you mentioned but does the open house what would that look like? >> what would industry be able to do with anything? >> out expanded out. i do not want to define it down to one engagement. from my perspective it is tell us what we are doing well. tell us where we need to improve and help us get there. give us the grace to have little time to get there because we are juggling a lot of balls. but, i can say it was easy to understand what the steady-state relationship meant. it has not been clear for others. so for me it is providing feedback formal or informal about what we're doing and how to improve. >> steady-state in the context of threat intelligence, what is a good steady state look like to you? what do you aspire to get to? >> and going to play the new guy card on that one. i do not have a great answer that's when things owing to find out. at the very wave tops its us and that government getting information that is useful and timely in assuring it as appropriate internally. it is you the private sector getting that information back to trusting you can give us the information and getting value from the time. that is of the very highest level this easy to say it's harder to operationalize. >> may be, what is one difficulty? it's harder to operationalize. once one thing at point if you can? >> every partners going to be different. really, really far board in terms of we don't how to define it now. i went in view of that relationship a fairly easy one. a lot of lawyers involved. and on the phone then npd went without needing to clear that my lawyers.y other organization be more risk averse my counterparts and say a rehearing x, y, z we were playing games with the threat information. at the company situated where we are able to reach out. other countries are more risk averse. that is where think the cyber information sharing act comes in. candidly i don't think any of you need that to share information. we shared a lot of information from semantic before. but if that makes it easier for organizations to share, that gives you some comfort breath that give seat lawyers to sign off that is why it is there to remove obstacles. >> you made a great point spray spreadthat comes up for reauthorization next year. have you given that thought in terms of what you might want? >> absently no thought about what we might want. if i were in your shoes what i would want is to make sure it goes through cleanly. my concern i'm fully taking off my sister had i'm doing enough and pride get away with this. when that was being considered by at symantec did not like it. i was worried it was authorizing something we were already able to do. when it comes up i did not want someone to attach strings to something and put me as a private sector company a worse shoes that i was. >> i remember having that conversation actually. >> are both got a few minutes what can we do to help you? >> brutal honesty and feedback. those of you who know me i don't mind being asked why. i do not mind being told what we are not doing well. so that is .1. continue with the partnership. as i said earlier give us some grace as we are working this house. i'll insult a new agency but we are relatively new and things are very dynamic. things i like you all to think about, focus on resiliency. i run cyber security directorate this is not squarely in our lane. i worry too many organizations are not prepared how to keep their core operations going about a call your worst digital deck should all have a plan we should have a plan identifying where the key things and how are we going to do it? that's as much of your going to get a complete defense to cyber attack. it's also something boards can understand. fifteen years goest or talk about the 2009 and 10 the refrain then was how do we get to pay attention was paying attention a lot of times of the asked question it's easy for security professional intentionally or otherwise and potentially or otherwise transferred away the board does not understand. board members can ask a question how are going to keep running if the computers go down? this should beng able to ask tht they should build understand that but that's a key resilience. thee last thing i would say is work with us as we explore ways to drives security. i do not like the saying the market has failed because i thinkk the market does not succeed or fail it does what it does the market is permanent does not drive the basement of security by design i think at this point we need to acknowledge voluntary model we have tried just is not working is not driving security we probably would not be in this room. as we are exploring ways to make it easier for you all to get security into your customers are get into your products work with us on it as opposed to you might not like the headline but take the time to talk to us and understand the why it may bring find a way to come up with something to work together on. i should say don't do policy legislation anymore. >> only tap your thinking on one thing. we were talking about forgive me for not knowing the acronym off the top of my head on harmonization. i tend to think cyber regulation is more like a kaleidoscope your thoughts on the effort? >> i have to be careful comment. i'm pretty sure is closed. actually know it is closed. what i can say about that report is as at the aspen institute i got the report and my first reaction is really pretty boring and it's not going to be effective. it was both interesting and i thought that excellent job of identifying issues and charting the way forward. i don't think i can go deeper except to say dhs policy did an excellent job or his inter- agency in the private sector identifying how we can address this.. and tell you something we are focused on we know is an issue. both within the u.s. and internationally as well many if not all have international businesses. we understand were part of a globalre environment. click select may be finished or restarted for the remainder of 2025 and looking at excuse me the remainder of 2024 and looking into 25, the cyber threat intel picture you mentioned, what else anything we haven't thought about? i'm sure you're all thinking about this but the capacity for criminal actors to have national economic or national security impact the collection of risk the systemic risk. look at the cdk were going back the colonial pipeline. criminalel actors can inadvertently or otherwise have a significant ability or have a significant ability to impact our economy, our news cycles. that's why circle back to resilience. the resilience is also psychological. we need to understand going to tell becomes armor circle back on myself. zero trust concept is breach if we assume that we have to assume compromise. mentally we have to understand part of the fight we are in there are going to be some compromises mentor role with that and make ourselves a vulnerable target when we have significant public reactions to what are unfortunately fairly common events. we help ourselves by rolling with it and being both physically and psychologically resilience. chocolates finish there. everyone would join me in thanking jeff green i would appreciate it. thanks, jeff. >> thank you for having me. [background noises] >> thanks very much jeff, thank you matthew please join me again welcoming vice president for national security policy and margo cyber executive director od and i cyber threat intelligence integration center for next fireside chat. please join me on the stage. [applause] >> thank you again, vince. matthew and jeff, thanks for that very interesting discussion. to do everus work there? you didn't let me ask the audience to make a show of hands who worked throughout their career? okay this totally blows my mind i struck out completely. i used to think all t roads and cyber lead back to semantic and one way, shape, or form. it seems like everybody started there. anyway thank you for coming. before we get started i just want to share a little anecdote as well on how you and i met it is a good example of how government and thehe private sector need to work together to build relationships and trust. so i reached out to you nine or 10 months ago, maybe a year with a very specific question that one of our members was asking. i was not sure what i would get back if it would be sorry, cannot talk to you. you said listen, why don't you come in and let's chat. i came to your office we sat down and had a very nice discussion with similar backgrounds that allowed us over time to start working together identifying projects were you were looking for engage with the private sector we were looking engagement for members with the government. that translated into some informal actions and some formal actions. we talk about public private sector collaboration the hallmark of theck bedrock of tht is relationships and trust. so let's get to you. your office is responsible for analyzing and integrating cyber intelligence. intelligence community and federal government can mitigate cyber threats. a unique perspective you get to see a lot of things that others and may be more narrow areas don't see. worse of the current and emerging threats you are seeing? how is your office integrated this threat intelligence? >> thanks chris and thanks to the chamber for holding this event this morning. jeff did a fantastic job laying out some of the emerging trends i'll get to your question, chris, and a second and look at the laden of the threat landscape. to your point on the reality of partnerships here just want to say scaling factor but he said that a few different times in a few different ways today but the ability to scale a relationship with the private sector with commercial intelligence and security firms is a key part of how we work with the chamber music jack and others has been instrumental innd making that partnership clean, easy, find the right folks out here so that we can engage in really specific cultivated relationships to get the right intelligence into the government. that is what makes it meaningful as well the relationship in itself is best to see the requirements that gets what we need to address. all right, teach to the threat picture and the theme of our foreign forum today let me take a step back you asked for current threats. i think the way you want to see that landscape that jeff teased a little bit in terms of disruption against critical infrastructure, when you take a step back to the early 2000's. come with many time machine for second we can kind of appreciate the moment we are in right now. i think a lot of us cut our teeth in understanding how cyber threats focus on stealing intellectual property and state secrets. when you think back to 2008 -- 2010 when cyber threats became a national security question an issue. part of the focus was on how u.s. companies from the defense industrial base to green energy, to steel production, were getting their intellectual property stolen in terabytes and insort of a huge intellectual property shift to chinese actors to chinese military actors who were taken that intellectual property and then feeding it into its state owned enterprises.ou we would see the same sorts of products american companies had put yearsuc and years of r&d decades in some cases of rmd into the network facsimile showing up in a chinese military parade or cheaper version of a solar panel. i'm putting together that story of why a knock off woodland and a chinese military parade is putting together that whole story is how the threat intelligence discipline really emerged within the government on the private side. cyber security companies we are on the forefront of the firefights from a network security standpoint where it went a big company had a problem in the it department they would raise their hand and say this is just not feeling something i can't reset the password and go on with business. you got to do something. that sort of shifts the thinking about intellectual property theft crown jewels of corporate america and other global companies getting stolen is the first taste of that gravity going to pose. the importance of threat intelligence to explainin who is behind this and what is happening. on like in the more physical domains you could understand who, what, when, where, how, why by looking at the event. in cyber to get the intelligence to put together that picture is harder, right? that's kind of the origin in a lot of ways on how i see the early understanding of how threat intelligence would paint the picture of cyber threat. the other piece was one that is been going on and nationstates have been familiar with since the beginning of nationstates which is espionage. whether it was the russian military going after state secrets, u.s. or other countries basically taking spying online. intellectual property theft we had foreign intelligence threat and then we also had the criminal activity for old-timers nobody home depot breach and the target breach these big criminal events were cyber threat actors, nonstate entities, criminal groups would go in and monetize credit card transactions, sell data on the dark web. see you had three different pieces of threat picture. over the years we get glimpses into the disruptive and the cyber attacks would take a company to their knees operationally. or have a physical effect there cyber attack those disrupted attacks go to rid their heads on a couple different ways that took out some of the irenic capability of the nuclear program they will remember in 2019 basically wiped out port operations and transactions in ukraine on your grading constitution day this month in 2017. and they will remember in the impetus for the north koreans or take out the network birth to go figure out they were disruptive and when our new sphere of cyber activity maybe i'll stop there the lands we are now by ransom or attacks that are taking companies down to bare bones if not non- operative level before they pay the ransom. went russian activity that's taking on critical infrastructure we can speak to as well. then there is chinese pre-positioning via the discussion we have been having under their ability to attackk critical infrastructure. >> projects thank you. one of the things we over years ago there were reports of a russian intelligence services tools on or at least compromising u.s. critical infrastructurein specifically energy sectorrg but mostly for intelligence purposes. now we are hearing with the chinese it is potentially more towards disruption. using that either now or sometime in the future. so when you couple that with groups like ransom or actors which may or may not be state sponsored or may be the relationships are loose shall we say. how does the u.s. government look at disrupting those actors went even if you can attribute it, and might be hard to find them, chase them or get the cooperation you may need in third countries. so how do you look at that disruption ideas set? given that we are now. >> how do you respond to actors who are able to make the effects you are alluding to is go after have a position access to logistics or a larger set of critical infrastructure operators. the key to being able to respond to starts with understanding the gravity of these attacks. that intelligence picture almost always use intelligence peace in the private sector. whether that's compromised by a threat actor. it's a victim who has that access. or, whether it is a company that is collecting intelligence because of the security enterprise products that they have they will get visibility into at this threat actors are doing. so, from the government community standpoint not only are we using the classified sourcing that we have to track these groups over time. to track intelligence services military operations had been going after these different victims. we also frequently rely on very much depend on the critical infrastructure intelligence we are getting out of the cyber security. it is not just companies who put together intelligence offerings. it's also companies getting visibility into these victims of e ofyp the types of systems they put into place system integrators, engineering companies, people who are really on the front lines of understanding where these attacks are. i know we have schneider talking later it's on this other industrial control system manufacturers. frequently the device is sitting there on the real edge of the attack surface are the places we are going to have incredible intelligence value to understand how a cyber attack can happen or how access is cyber after they be used. supposing thatha information together. to get more into your point what does that mean for disruption? we have to take this to the people are really attacking us, right? after we truly understand the nature of what is going on, you have to live an imperfect intelligence environment with the best. then we are using a variety of different techniques to expose these actors activity. whether that is for sanctions. whether throughhe designations,n the policy side of the house but that's happening at a pretty rapid speed of the department of treasury. or throwing sand in the gears. here's what i mean by that you've seen a lot of takedown from the fbi in partnership with a lot of other law enforcement entities across the world against ransom or actors is group of criminals were able to take ransom and extort u.s. hospitals, u.s. schools, in the infrastructure online they are using to do this is where a lot of that law enforcement effort has been focused. if you are able to take down the site and the tools online that these guys are using your able to slow down and throw friction into their operation. u.s. government authorities are being put to bear after we understandch. >> is a chamber we support using all elements of statecraft to push back and post consequence and hopefully create some deterrence. i would ask, what are your thoughts? it's a little on the operational side. when you look at ransom or actors you are tired most of the technical capabilities of the u.s. government to take down cyber. but when i look at this and think back to my previous life you have an organization whether it is organized crime group or a terrorist organization a lot of times when we first confront to those we are a little bit at a loss we do not know who the people are we don't have the the monies being moved. we don't know who is helping them. but over time the analyst get really smart and they start to know who people are, where the relationships? what are relationships of convenience? what are relationships of ideology? then you look at how to get at these people? do we run sources do you compromise the network by penetrating them and allowing them to sort of collapse on their own? without giving away anything you shouldn't is there a role for that type of approach to ransom ware gangs whether those are purely commercial herb may be those who have relationships with state actors? >> i like you get at the kind of network thought process behind some of these groups and mapping onto the counterterrorism work that has been highly successful in the government for years. one of the key pieces of that is followed the money aspect. especially with rent somewhere attacks the changehe healthcare attack back end of february the impacted one in three americann prescriptions it was 22 million-dollar ransom payment these are not drop in the bucket. how we are able to track that money which is so frequently almost always in crypto currency. help we are able to get threat finance is a really critical piece of that. i think that is an area as well or we look to the private sector who is really skilled in understanding not just have the block chain is playing out but thinking through new mechanisms on this very decentralized finance place to be able to consider what is the best way to map out networks and knowing the money is what's fueling the relationships the criminals are not sitting here in the same way that military organizations are with hierarchies and clarity of command and a sense of target over time these are opportunistic. they are really smart able to go and take vulnerabilities and bring them intoo exploitable opportunities and really brazenly hold out. so that money peace is where a double down. >> that's a good point the people typically moving the money do not was get there eight hands are dirty and do not want their life's inconvenience of it becomes difficult for them to travel or if they are worried maybe if they do travel they will get arrested and extradited somewhere. that weighs on people request a deterrent at a human level. that also slows the gears you're talking. we are coming up on time we've got a few more minutes but i wanted to ask how can the private sector help? let's start there. let's focus on the attack to answer that. so you are right on focusing on the people we talked about the money. but the other piece here is the u.s. attack surface. and when you think about this we have one the most digitally connected and digitally exposed country on the planet. the smarter our grids and get, the easier we are able to control different systems remotely. the more open and the more porous and the more opportunities lie for threat actors to get at and hold u.s. assets, right? when you think about what that really looks like let me go to a couple water attacks we have seen over the last year here that event really concerning across the board. you increasingly have operators who tough environments to work in. stay tuned were operating a water plant you know how important you need to operate a physical security issues. you're going to want to be able to get on your phone and check the tank level check if the alarm is gone off over the four or five water districts you need to look at. increasingly our products get to that u.s. products are making those grits smarter they're making the operations possible. but, how do we find the right center of gravity push points and who can help secure those systems so it's not up to the operator on the edge to figure out pete reese set the default password is just required the reset that password. should that connection had been encrypted the engineer put the system together figuring out how to make this so it is a secure connection it's not up to the person assemble the lawn get the logset out of the dammit control the water to cybersecurity on top of it. how do we push that cybersecurity question to the right company, manufacturer or professionalr up the chain so we could really secure systems at scale that are getting smarter and smarter. maybe it's a little bit of a wonky answer. i think the reality is in the detail. this much and as interesting as it is to talk about threat actors the bad guys bind cyber security attacks the reality is so many of the attacks we see start with the basic were not adhered to. the basics and blocking and tackling, patching systems, look at the cybersecurity advisor it came out in october that says here's the vulnerability are here name the vulnerability go patchett. at the open systems that are time and time again the big attacks come from. >> also walked the policy to patching. [laughter] that's a good reality. listen, thank you for taking the time to speak with me. to come here tonight what you and your team have done you have revitalized what needed it. and with the private sector is trulyy admirable. wish you all the best free. >> appreciate it. [applause] thank you so much per going to o move into the first presentation senior researcher we look to the powerpoint, perfect, brilliant that is coming up. please join me in welcoming her. [background noises] good morning everyone. first i'm going to start off with this graphic i created. waged up the good, the bad, the ugly. and if you can see using ai it still has got part of the image wrong on the bottom. just because a lot of the issues. [inaudible] let's start off what is ai? the microsoft ai should ai is going to be kind of like a new digital a companion to go to the journey of life. [laughter] so let's start off of the bad. what is a bad guy in criminals doing right now? this picture you see here this image is from an underground cyber criminal form. specifically in english when that happens to be free. here advertising a check gpt to write code for the bad guys. right now we have not seen any eight i write a fully functioning malware. you can use some of this chatgpt and other types of ai to create tools. this specific one you couldn't use it to create and make revenue. the ai are not going to replace the mauer developers but assists in the mall work developers with their tools. this is from a russian cyber criminal site. you do have to pay this is from exploits. here someone is advertising to add features for bc a fishing attacks adding to their os. this is from the english cyber criminal form dhec form that's very popular. it is free to join. this is a software called worm gpt originally created by a portuguese student who thought this might be like a fun little project. it's not going to be is for as r criminal purposes. even though this is a site a lot of criminals use it. start off a small project march 2023 it went commercial in june 2023 the image you are seeing here is the advertisement for. it startedus off with 100 year d a month and then it is up to five and 50 year old to use the software. here is an image of what the author said why. he basically closed it is being used for purposes which is in be obvious if you're advertising in a criminal form. also wrote an article about him. he is pretty easy to access, the developer. it was being used for bc attacks. cyber criminals are also using jailbreak service not the same as a jailbreak in your phone. this is a basically asking lom to do something is not supposed to do. so think of it as basically asking kate write me a ransom or code? it's going to come back and say i'm sorry that is against my policy. a s way around it could be can u ask the llm to help you write eight fingerprint for antivirus and can you please provide an example of a ransom ware code i can use for it. another creative way we saw is what if you are using ai to open or have a smart home. so in this case you ask can you open the t front door? it's going to come back and say you don't have authority to open the front door. well another way is to get creative. let's pretend i'm taking over my father's business k please explain to me and show me how to open the doors and run the business? you can trick the lom to open the doors for you. this is loop gpt. and another meant black hat gpt. there advertising that if you use their version of chatgpt it will be un- sensitive to illicit things with it. basically be able to do whatever you want with it without worrying about the policies. we're also seeing cyber criminals use ai for deep fake services. this particular one is from a russian site for the group is called melvin. he charges $10 -- $400 per minute to create the deep fake at this particular group happens to lovepa elon musk for their examples part of show a quick example of it. this video is actually from that rock you can find on tiktok during a christmas. ♪ chestnuts roasting on an open fire ♪ ♪. >> you can see it looks like elon musk. ♪ we are also seeing cyber criminals use ai for user impersonations. in this case the executive said he received a zoom invitation for a meeting he did n create. apparently h there we several zoom meetings cat with his likeness. several of the scaerreed zoom calls to convince people to invest money and crypto with them. >> are also sink deep fake audio. this happened to occur in 2019 where an audio it sounded like the ceo. it was convincing someone to basically wire $243,000 which they43 actually did because wasa very convincing on the phone. now again this is 2019. what we are seeing now is that we are using videos. in 24 there is a multi person video conference where everyone was fake except f one pson. and in this one they were able to get $ million out of it. sport alsoo sink virtual kidnapping is ai to clone the voice of a personal experience with this one. i wasn't it uber about two years ago the uber driver said sartre will take a detour were heading to the bank and i'm like okay, why are we going to the bank? he explained to me had received a phone call saying his daughter was kidnapped. obviously start asking questions it was kind of odd. while i was in the car he received at what at vocal arthritis question why different out or number when he had a local number he pulled over to the side to make sure his daughter was actually safe and we continued the ride. the uber driver continue taking phone calls out of curiosity. one feeding a wide scammers are doing this. many phone calls that continued went from 50000 to $5000 at the end and eventually gave up calling him. we are also seeing baduys using photos that photo or video from you from a social media site, turn them into illicit uncompromising type o photo try to convince you to pay a ransom to not sen it to your boss or family members. in some places this is because d suicn some places. bad guys using ai for verification services. there a some services are required to tak a picture of yourself holding her id next to bring the picture you see right here that person does not exist neither does the id. there services that can do both of these things for in this space you cld pay $70 to create a european account and will do everything for you. or, you c pay one -- $200 to create again a picture like this for other types of service tt require this. ndc there are some of the candidates shops require people to take a picture of themselves holding their id. so, let's talk about some of the ugly things. let's talk about first some of the ridiculous ideas that existed and then we will get more into some of the threats. this happens to be a toilet created. the idea was that everyone has a unique print. like i said stanford scientist actually created this this was supposed to be to determine if you had any type of diseases. each had their own print you can determine who is using the toilet in your household. so you can imagine having a camera there consulate all times. it was a ridiculous idea. another one was human ai patent 241 million-dollar investment project that did not go well. i didn't work like people expected. it's ridiculous to her a pin and replace your phone. the idea was going to cost about $699 with 24-dollar a month fee. it just had really bad reviews and did not work. even at $241 million was poured into this project. some of the ai threats. one of them is ai has a new foundational system interface. think about osb and personal assistance or being able to do anything you wanted to do for you instead of typing and using your keyboard or your mouth. some one could target ai at this case. the foundation model a letter open source which is a great it sounds like a great idea. but at the same time you can get a supply chain threat so much of the lenox when we had in april or the settlement come in, change some coat it takes a while for people to find out it's been a root kit installed or other things in there. within the digital fishing this picture you're looking at robotics in japan where he actually created his own robot that looks just like him. and has all of his mannerisms. would be ai that you can teach your mannerisms, your life, how you write be able to use it to target people if your friends know you like to put smiley faces at the end or have some type of jokes, when they see the spearfish attack and be more convincing than summit spear phishing attacks that it misspelled words, there just aren't really quickly you automatically know it is fake. so, another threat will be digital system. what if in the future we had wih multiple digital systems helping you out. think about like a travel agent working with your bank. you have two digital systems talking to each other the threat would be in the middle what if you could attack one of these be able to compromise them? obviously is using disinformation using ai for this.. we arty know we can create videos. we can creat audio be able to influence different countries and things like politics and elections coming up. let's talk about some that good things about ai. againld we talk about digital systems. they will eventually help people with disabilities and help people who just don't have time to do things. won't be able to save our time and like iai help people out. right now it's also helping track climatete change. ai is being used to track i thin ice and some of the climate changes. we are also using a ai to protet diversity. set up bothering mountain lions were able to use ai to detect their faces. we are already seeing this individualized education. consider taking the course everyone takes what if it could change depending on how you learn? think about you want to be a challenge it could be faster, different content. or if y you are one that needs more tutoring this could help you out. we are also seeing ai help content creators. that's is like a a great idea. anyone could create video or tax and use ai for this. however you will never get something you need the artistic soul to quit something really gy good in the future. we are also synced ai being used for medical improvement in this case protein. it takes a phd student fort -- five years for one protein is about 200 mail and proteins out there. google had an ai project for this it took one year to discover 200 mail and proteins. so in conclusion, what is so good about ai? one of the good things is going to bring change were pouring so much money into this, there's going to be a lot of rapid changes andnd hopefully it wille in the future positive. thank you. [applause] >> wonderful, thank you so much for that was fascinating. moving on tour next panel discussion i'm delighted to welcome the director of the office of cybersecurity. energy security and emergency response of the u.s. department of energy. pat ford is the americas cybersecurity vice president and schneider north america. of cybersecurity services right in the middle everyone's got a microphone. we are off and running. >> great, thank you very much. could everyone here is okay? yes you not ai bots you're alive? the conversation really interesting what occurred to meet during it, is anyone here know anyone who's a little nervous about ai may be scared if that's going to impact their job? maybe it's going to take their job? do you think if the cyber criminals are worried how ai might take their job away? it's very much about the opportunities that are going to be there. which is a little scary for us but there's a lot of things we all need to do to kind of be able to counter that. super excited to have this conversation. and pat, thank you guys for taking the time. one of the things howitt to talk a little bit about us whenever r we talk about cyber threats it's opted in my experience to critical infrastructure. what are the threats to critical infrastructure quest recorded think about critical infrastructure and jeff green could talk about the 16 sectors they have identified to work with. but out a foundational level water and energy are kind up at the very bottom of the pyramid because if you've ever been at your house and your power isou t if it were this week you'll be very frustrated to not have air conditioning. i think it is even worse. clearwater is out. but we are seeing -- we have seen threats and targeting against the energy sector for years. search elite with the russian en war in ukraine. you talk about actual disruption.de there are preparations taking place in that space. everyone here knows the majority of our energy e sector is using tools created by the private sector generated by the private sector. the government it's got a unique role here. i would like for you to talk a little bit about your role in your organization because i always have to look. the office of cybersecurity, energy security are three interesting and yet slightly distinct areas. typically people think of you as the cyber office. it's actually broader than that. can you talk a little bit about your office and how your role to help add security to the space? >> absolutely. first of all thank you to the chamber for hosting this event. it really was a great list of speakers. glad to hear lure was here and jeff was here and they will hear more later on from the fbi and others. it's really important conversation right now and is important for the reasons of threat intelligence the name of this form. also from the energy sector as you alluded to the sector is changing rapidly. of all of these sectors is that not one of the most critical, of assam by a spring at the department of energy, but the reality is without energy you do not have an economy per without energy you do i hope the social security that in a chewed on the other 15 sectors. let's critical in a way that's unlike other sectors except maybe water. so i could not agree more with that. that's where our office comes in. my office stops cybersecurity energy and emergency response and yes no it's a very long faintly shorten it to color so caesar. our focus is the security and resilience of u.s. energy systems from all hazards cyber is in our name so we spent a lot of time on cyber i'm sure we'll get to that the second but were at risks we are also looking at physical threats to energy infrastructure. solar flares we sell it as a couple weeks ago it's taking all hazards approach the victim energy my role as the sector risk management energy is i just want to ensure we have electricity or homes we have gasoline we have petroleum products available at what we needd them to power our homes. to power businesses. at the end of the date that is what i'm worried about present but it's a physical attack on the substation. we need too make sure we have hardened infrastructure and light of the growing risks to that sector that is a refocus on widgets or policies we do the research and development. we also do respond with the colonial pipeline. it's a building in the security. have to respond to all that other a stuff. from the department of energy work with the department but also work another college at dhs. fbi the intelligence community and one of our most important partnerships in the private sector that's a critical partnership we have had for many years. it predates even side but we did it because of the hurricane response we did it because of wealth our response. we built the strong relationships as were not a regulator. we have an independent regulatory agency that is separate from us and that has benefited us because it wants a partner. with the emerging risks of the. >> the private sector you are equally focused for internally for schneider electric and your customers which are a lot of constituents i would call it. how does that resonate with you and how have you seen the department of energy office sort of working with privatein secto. >> this is not unique. he not the only critical infrastructure but were all happy to partner again and thank you to the chamber for having me here today. we are some of the most auteur organizations we work with. the customers, the energy sector, dealing with the energy transmission energy generation, the energy sector is probably the most auteur out of all the critical infrastructure project finance and others. when they challenge us it is a gift. and we get better. so improve our products we learn more earlier part of the agreements with our customers is they have to notify us when they see something. when a product is not operating. there's the trust backti and foh to enhance the ecosystem from the government and private sector. toxic rates. i think obviously that partnership is critical. chuck greene talked about and darrend this is keep when we talk about cybersecurity people needing to work together. we are here today talking about threats. what are you guys sing for threats that are uniquely targeting or if they are uniquely targeting thein energy sector? what do you guys do about it? maybe talk a little to the process. we have sister who has a role your organization has a role. private industry has a role. how do you see this all coming together? >> it's a great question. before you jump into threats the undersigned complexity of the u.s. energy system is important. there is over 3000 electric utilities in the united states unlike other countries there might just be a handful some of the state owned less of the case united states we have 3000 primarily privately owned utilities and thousands of oil and natural gas entities looking at the entire natural gas supply chain. downstream, midstream, upstream, all of that. it's a very complex energy sector. there's no silver bullet there is no solution to ke