and in particular, - there's been this campaign video focusing on the story of amber thurman. - my daughterthe death of amber thurman. the death of amber thurman was likely preventable if she'd had access to abortion care in her home state of georgia. what happened to her was preventable. - my daughter is gone because of what donald trump did. - for 5a years, they were trying to get roe v wade terminated, and i did it, and i'm proud to have done it. the video continues on. it's, you know, got clips of amber's mum and who you heard there and friends _ and family, too. and it's that kind - of content that i'm... yeah. i'm seeing a lot - of sarah, and sarah, you've had a chance, i haven't you, to speak to amber's really close friend? yeah, i spoke to and i interviewed sarah baker, who was best friends with amber thurman, actually involved in this story a little bit as well, because what happened was amber thurman was already a mother. she got pregnant again and didn't want to have the baby. she discovered that she had just fallen foul of some quite tight abortion restrictions in georgia, where

amber thurman discovered that she was pregnant with twins just after georgia six-week abortion ban went into effect in 2022 now, she had a medication abortion, but developed well up to rare complication, she died after waiting 20 hours for a hospital near atlanta to treat those complications are joining me now, are shut williams, cj williams, and andrivka thurman, amber's mother and sisters. i thank you all for being with me and let me start with you. this lawsuit now that you filed comes in the context of a political season that's focused on the change in the law do you believe your daughter died because of the law or because of the negligence of those doctors judge struck down the state's six-week ban that doctors prevented them, they say from helping your daughter? what's your reaction to the end of that banned here in georgia heartbroken angry because years later it's going to work for someone else in which i'm happy for that but i'm sad because my daughter's not here said at the top has now become part of the national conversation about the end of roe v. >> wade. and there are some

amber nicole thurman. and you all of heard me say, i do believe donald trump to be an unserious man. and the consequences of him ever being president again are brutally serious. these are just some of the consequences of the trump abortion ban's and what he does and what he's likely to do. i pledge to you when congress passes a bill to restore reproductive freedom nationwide , as president of the united states, i will probably sign it into law. proudly. across our nation, we are witnessing a full on assault another hard-fought, hard won freedoms and rights. fundamental freedoms and rights like georgia knows a tax on the freedom to vote. a tax on the freedom to be safe from gun violence. the freedom to breathe clean air and drink clean water. the freedom to love who you love openly and with pride. and, as atlanta knows well, generations of americans before us led the fight for freedom, and now, the baton is in our hands. it is in our hands. and so, i would like to speak in particular tell the young leaders

amber nicole thurman. >> i felt her compassion. we will never get amber back, but we can make sure this never happens again. >> i'm kamala harris, and i approve this message. >> still with us, madam secretary hillary clinton. this has become as we knew it would, such a grim subject since roe was overturned, something that you watched a 50 year battle on finally turn in his direction, and here we are. >> and we know, that amber and one other woman in georgia are verified, we know that tens of thousands of women in those states that have intimidated and threatened doctors in ways that make them reluctant to provide the medical care that women who face complications, life-threatening complications in their pregnancy need. we know that thousands of women's are forced to carry their 's child. we now are seeing the worst nightmares that people understood could happen, and they are happening in half the country. and as i write in my book, this is about women's reproductive rights, it's about abortion, it's about the overturning of roe v wa

that is why amber thurman died and that little boy does not have a mom. you did not get the contrast neither did you get wake up and smell the smelling salts. lulled into normalcy. >> let me ask you about one other subject matter and how it went. on, gun violence and schools, they both said the same thing about how it is very sad and breaks syour heart. then, what j.d. vance said was, listen, i think the reason we have gun violence in schools, paraphrasing, is because of the southern border and what we need is stronger windows. he used the phrase stronger windows and doors that lock better. and, governor walz came in and said i think sometimes the problem is the guns. and i say that as a gun owner, somebody who used to keep a shotgun in my truck so i can go pheasant hunting after football practice. i am not here to confiscate guns but we have a problem with gun policy. it is not stronger windows. now, would that have made for a better social media day had he said it in a punchier way? is part of the problem style? when joe biden did not hit the performanc

amber thurman died in that journey back and forth. the fact of the matter is how can we as a nation say that your life and your rights as basic as the right to control your own body is determined on geography. there's a very real chance had amber thurman lived in minnesota, she would be alive today. >> susan, it's one thing for republicans to say they need to earn back the trust of women voters, but have they taken any action to get that trust? >> no. as a matter of fact, vance lied during that debate on the issue of a national abortion ban. so, no, j.d. vance using the word trust is completely laughable. what was important, i think, for the harris/walz campaign was seeing a man for the first time on that kind of national stage talk about the importance of reproductive rights and where we are post roe. so i think that really helped the campaign a lot to speak to a certain segment of the population, maybe independent men who kind of get their arms around the fact that this is their issue too. >> basil, one of the things i noticed is th

amber thurman died in that journey back and knotter. forth.act of the matter is how can we, as a nation, say that your life and your rights, as basic as the right to control your own body, is determined on geography? there's a very real chance had amber thurman lived in minnesota, she would be alive today. that's why the restoration of roe v., wade. when you listen to vice-president harris talk about this subject and you hear me talk about, it you hear us talking exactly the same. donald trump is trying to figure out how to get the political right of this. i agree with a lot of what senator vance said about what's happening. his running mate, though, does not. that's the problem. >> governor, your time is up. senator, let me ask you about that. he mentioned referring to a national ban. in the past, you have supported a federal ban on abortion after fifteen weeks. you said if someone can't support legislation like that, you are making the united states the most barbaric pro-abortion regime anywhere in the entire world. my question is: why have

amber thurman died. back and forth. the fact the matter is how can we as a nation say that your life and you're right as a basic has the right to control your own body. he's determined on geography. there's a very real chance. had amber thurman lived in minnesota, she would be alive today. that's why the restoration of roe-versus-wade. when you listen to vice president harris talk about this you can you hear me talk about it. you hear us talking exactly the same. donald trump is trying to figure out how to get the political right at this. i agree with a lot of what senator vance said about what's happening. his running mate, though, does not. and that's the problem. governor, your time's up. senator, let me ask you about that. you mentioned i think referring to a national ban in the past. you have supported. >> a federal ban on abortion after 15 weeks. in fact, you said if someone can't support legislation like that, quote, you are making the united states the most barbaric pro abortion regime anywhere in the entire wor

and i felt her strength. >> we will speak her name, amber nicole thurman. >> i felt her compassion. >ake sure this never happens again. >> i'm kamala harris and i approve this message. >> vaughn hillyard, again, there are some reptilian survival skills that trump displays in his effort to be on six sides of an issue that he brags about owning. he brags about overturning roe. he's proud of doing it, he said. he said i overturned dogs. for 50 years they were trying to get roe v. wade terminated and i did it. and i'm proud to have done it. that's his position. what is this sort of pretzel making all about on fox news's townhall? >> reporter: right. none of this would have happened if it weren't for donald trump winning the presidency in 2016 and those three conservative justices going on to the supreme court bench and then overturning roe v. wade. and donald trump, though, is wholly cognizant of the fact that this is not a winning political issue for him. and he watched in 2022 his hand-picked candidates from arizona, to georgia, wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania, one by one by one go do

amber thurman, made the point of amber thurman lived in minnesota, she would be alive today. that was a powerful moment. >> let's play that. >> how can we as a nation see that your life and your rights has basic as the right to control your own body is determined on geography? there's a very real chance had amber thurman lived in minnesota, she would be alive today. that is why the restoration of roe versus wade. when you listen to harris talk about the subject and hear me talk about it, you hear us talking the same. donald trump is trying to figure out how to get the political right of this. i agree with what senator vance is saying is happening but his running mate does not. >> senator, let me ask you. he mentioned, referring to a national ban. in the past you have supported a federal ban on abortion after 15 weeks. you said, if someone cannot support legislation like that, quote, you are making the united states the most barbaric pro-abortion regime anywhere in the entire world. my question is, why have you changed your position? >> first of all, never supported a national

vance: first of all i great that amber thurman should still be alive know a lot of people should stillke a certainly was that she was and maybe, you're free to disagree with me on this and explain this to me, but is everything in this of the law you signnn into law of the statue you into law, he said that doctor who presides over and abortion the baby survives with the doctor is under no obligation to provide lifesaving careob to baby survives a botchd late-term abortion and that is i think pro-choice or pro- will that is fundamentally are buried in this why use that word and why is because some of what we have seen, force catholic hospitals to perform abortions against will because kamala harris is supported suing catholic nuns to violate the freedom of conscience pretty we can be a big diverse country we respect people's freedomco of conscious and make the country more pro- baby please, please respond to. walz: there's always something that is the very simple proposition, the women's decisions to make healthcare decisions the physicians who know best and the need to do it and trying

amber thurman should still be alive. there are a lot of people that should still be alive and i certainly wish she was. and you are free to disagree with me on this and explain this to me, but as i read the minnesota law that you signed into law -- the statute that you signed into law, it says that a doctor who presides over an abortion where the baby survives, the doctor is under no obligation to provide lifesaving care to a baby who survives a botched late-term abortion -- gov. walz: that's not true. sen. vance: that is fundamentally barbaric. that's why i use that word. they want to force catholic hospitals to perform abortions against their will because kamala harris has supported some catholic nuns to violate their freedom of conscience. we can be a big and diverse country where we respect people's freedom of conscious and make the country more pro-baby and profamily norah:. governor, please respond. gov. walz: these are women's decisions to make about their health care decisions and the physicians who know best whe

amber thurman died in that journey back and forth.he fact of the matter is, how can we as a nation say that your life and your rights, as basic as the right to control your own body is determined on geography? there is a very real chance that had amber thurman lived in minnesota, she would be alive today. that's why the restoration of roe v. wade. you listen to vice president harris and me talk about this subject, you are a stalking exactly the same. donald trump is trying to figure out how to get the political right of this. i agree with a lot of what senator vance said about this. his running mate, though, does not, and that's the problem. >> senator, he mentioned referring to a national ban. in the past, you have supported a federal ban on abortion after 15 weeks. in fact, you said if someone can't support legislation like that, "you're making the united states the most barbaric pro-abortion regime anywhere in the entire world." my question is, why have you changed your position? sen. vance: first of all, i never supported a nation

amber thurman died in that journey back and forth. the fact of the matter is how can we as a nation say that your life and your rights as basic as the right to control your own body is determined on geography? there is a very real chance that amber thurman lived in minnesota she would be alive today. that's why the restoration of roe v. wade, when you listen to vice president harris talk about this subject and you hear me talk about it, you hear us talking exactly the same. donald trump is trying to figure out how to get the political right of this. i agree with a lot of what senator vance said about what is happening. his running mate, though, does not. that's the problem. >> governor, your time is up. senator, let me ask you about that. he mentioned referring to a national ban, in the past you have supported a federal ban on abortion after 15 weeks. in fact, you said if someone can't support legislation like that, quote, you are making the united states the most barbaric pro abortion regime anywhere in the entire world. my question

he was on that stage, he was sorry about amber thurman and a lot of stuff. we get things wrong, but did you get with the policy? that's not the marker that i know. i think there are people that want nor mild lessee normalcy. you said a lot of things i agree with. this is not a normal election. jd vance and donald trump are not met through the clips of their low school to distinguish and make a difference. sure. governor j.b. pritzker was absolutely correct, he did a lot of lies, and he was correct, but not everybody knows jd vance is lying. there is a tiktok creator putting up how yes donald trump saved obamacare. there was no one there to commit some of this, so i think governor walz got that are on the counter block and tackling, but still-- >> on the obamacare point walz said donald trump was trying to get rid of obama care, signed on to a lawsuit, had a bill to get rid of it, john mccain saved obamacare. >> he came back and said donald trump saved it. >> nobody knows how to cover the identity of the idea audacity. are you kidding me? and they should have

amber thurman died in that journey back and forth. fact of the matter is, how can we as a nation say that your life and your rights, as basic as the right to control your own body is determined on geography? there is a very real chance that had amber thurman lived in minnesota, she would be alive today. that's why the restoration of roe v. wade. you listen to vice president harris and me talk about this subject, you are a stalking exactly the same. donald trump is trying to figure out how to get the political right of this. i agree with a lot of what senator vance said about this. his running mate, though, does not, and that's the problem. >> senator, he mentioned referring to a national ban. in the past, you have supported a federal ban on abortion after 15 weeks. in fact, you said if someone can't support legislation like that, "you're making the united states the most barbaric pro-abortion regime anywhere in the entire world." my question is, why have you changed your position? sen. vance: first of all, i never supported a national

states like georgia, they want women to cross the border and then there is a death of amber thurman.litz be very clear, trying to cut hair is on an issue with this is not wear the american public's at. they want roe v. wade vice president harris that's what they would do. >> admissible lots of far beyond roe be waiting about that amber thurman case her family it is tragic, she's a young mother left behind a young son. what her family has said his it was a complication from the abortion pill she received and she didn't get proper care when she went to a georgia hospital which had multiple opportunities to intervene there. her own attorney, the family's attorney says it was at the georgia law, it was the hospital's. he seems it -- as it was malpractice not treating her when she showed up in distress and still had the byproducts of her pregnancy because of the rare complication of the abortion pill or -- pill. just be clear how her family an attorney sees it. >> and the also indicated has she not gone to north carolina after the debate the other night that she would have been in a bette

. >> jennifer, during that same town hall, the fox moderator mentioned the family of amber thurman wasaking out against trump. she's the pregnant woman who died because of delayed care. here was trump's reaction. >> so i want to share with you, senators warnock, mayor bottoms, and -- atlanta mayor bottoms and amber thurman's family have come out on a press call, doing what they call a primo to our town hall. >> they'll get better ratings, i promise. >> ratings, the laughter, jennifer, how should voters square that moment with what trump has said about how women should trust him, that he's a protector of women. >> right. that was such a despicable moment to try to make a joke and pull a laugh out of the audience when discussing the completely unnecessary loss of life of a young woman. but it very much revealed, just another of the million examples of who donald trump is, and how he really thinks instingtively about women. he said he's going to take care of women, the father of ivf. he has no understanding of women as equal members of society, as equal, full, whole human beings. he's ext

affordable. $6,000 child tax credit but we are not going to based on the backs of making someone like amber thurman00 master try to get health care. >> senator vance: first of all, i agree ever thurman should still be alive. there are a lot of people who should still be alive and i certainly wish she was. you are free to disagree with me on this and explain this but as i read the minnesota law that you signed into law, the statute you signed into law, it says that a doctor who presides over and abortion where the baby survives the doctor is under no obligation to provide life-saving care to a baby who survives a botched late-term abortion. >> governor walz: that's not true. >> senator vance: it's fundamentally barbaric. that's why i use that word. some of what we've seen. do you want to force catholic hospitals to perform abortions against their will? kamala harris has supported suing catholic nuns to violate their freedom of conscience who we can be a big and diverse country and make the more -- make the country more pro-baby and pro-family. >> governor walz: this is a very simple proposition. the

laying out the scolding words about how donald trump abuses families and their family, referring to amber thurmant get the reproductive care she needed in her state because of the state laws and lost her life because of it. >> yes, and this is the person who claims during the week he's the father of ivf or whatever else it is. i think -- and this is something that a lot of people are expressing in the first segment, like why are we here? how is this happening, et cetera, et cetera. it demonstrates the fact that you have a lot of people in the country who don't know how government works. they think this is going to work fine, and it doesn't matter who happens to be the top of the ticket. that's why this election is close. a lot of people really don't understand how the government operates, and in addition to that, part of who is to blame for it, and we have talked about this as well, how some of the political press covers the man. it's not just what would have happened if harris was talking about someone's private parts, it's the press normalizing the bad behavior. talking about a guy in a locker

first of all, governor, i agree with you amber thurman should still be alive. there are a lot of people >ryan>walz and vance had a mostly civil debate last night, but there were some tense moments, too, as they discussed the 2020 elections. >>>>did he lose the 2020 election? tim i'm focused on the future. that is a damning non-answer. >ryan>a new cbs news poll shows that viewers were nearly split on who they think won the debate, but both men seeing their favorability ratings go up and more people said they think walz is more prepared to be president. he ranked higher on abortion and health care, but vance got the edge on economy and immigration we're celebrating hispanic heritage month and spotlighting a san francisco business as owners contribute to the castro neighborhood. our veronica macias shows us how he managed to grow his business >>>>for ismael de luna, it's more than just a haircut. it's a healing experience providing clients with a fresh new look while offering the care and attention that can mend a weary spirit. >>>>even if i was trying to accept m

and that's the problem, governor, i agree with the amber thurman should still be alive and there a lot of people who should still be alive. and i certainly wish that she was, i'm in agreement with him on this first of audit. >> know that you're 17-year-old witnesses shooting, and i'm sorry about that. >> and i appreciate christ, have mercy cnn's phil mattingly conducted a focus group with undecided voters in the critical battleground state of michigan and those voters noted just how different this debate felt. i haven't seen a debate like this in a very long time they supported each other they were kind and it was warm and fuzzy. i mean, you can watch it and not be offended by the words they were using towards each other. >> there was not much feared. there was not much hesitancy they showed their character for each other in a way and as was mentioned, the kind of supported each other as they're going within the bait and not attacking each other personally. but more of the policies. and then what they stand for you could watch it and not be offended. she says, what a change joining us

amber thurman should still be alive and there are a lot of people who should still be alive.h that she was. >> senator vance appeared measured and polite. >> i'm sure. governor walz joins me in saying our hearts go out to those innocent people. our prayers go out to them, and we want, as robust and aggressive as a federal response as we can get. >> but in a recent poll, more than half of registered voters, 51% said they view vance unfavorably, while just 32% said they view walz unfavorably. governor walz aimed his jabs at the top of the republican ticket. >> if you're going to be president, you don't have all the answers. donald trump believes he does. my pro tip of the day is this if you need heart surgery, listen to the people at the mayo clinic in rochester, minnesota, not donald trump. and the same thing goes with this. and i ask you out there, teachers, nurses, truck drivers or whatever, how is it fair that you're paying your taxes every year? and donald trump hasn't paid any federal tax in the last 15 years. and the last year, as president. that's what's wrong with the

yesterday at this town hall where harris factor, the host raised the story of amber thurman, who is the georgia woman who died after medical care was delayed because of the abortion law in georgia. let's watch that moment. >> amber thurman's family have come out on a press call and they're doing what's called a prebuttal to our town hall right now this yeah i want to get it better ratings. i promise again, they're talking about a woman who lost her life after she was unable to get the care that she needed alex thompson, obviously, the harris campaign immediately seized on the ivf comments they see things like this and and think about how that actually plays with women with whom they have a major advantage. >> and they've they've feature that woman, not just at rallies, but also an ads. i also think trump's flip response there in the crowd's reaction also shows that that was a very pro-trump crowd. you also saw local republican groups posting on facebook about how they'd hosted the events they let changed than that there were that but it really goes to show this was like donald trump is

amber nicole thurman. >> i felt her compassion. back but we can make sure this never happens again. >> i'm kamala harris and approve this message. >> still with us madam secretary hillary clinton. this has become such a grim subject since roe v. wade was overturned. something you watched a battle on finally turned in this direction and here we are. >> we know that amber and one other woman in georgia are verified deaths. we know that tens of thousands of women in those states that have intimidated and threatened doctors in ways that make them prolonged than to provide the medical care that women who face complications, life- threatening complications in the pregnancy need. we know thousands of women who have been are forced to care their child . we are seeing the worst nightmares. people understood it could have been and it is happening. as i read in my book, this is about women's reproductive rights. it's about abortion. it's about the overturning of roe v. wade. it's about cruelty. it's about men in positions of power who are eith

amber thurman died in that journey back and forth. the fact of the matter is how can we say that your life and your rights as a basic as the right to control your own body is determined on geography. there is a very real chance that had she lived in minnesota she would be alived. that is the restoration of roe v. wade. when you hear us talking about this. donald trump is trying to get the political right of this. i agree what senator vance is saying this. his running mate is not and that's the problem. norah: you referred to a national ban. in the past you have supported a federal ban on abortion after 15 weeks. you said if someone can't support legislation like that, quote, you are making the united states barbaric pro-abortion regime anywhere in the world. sen. vance: i never supported a national ban i did talk about setting a minimal standard. we have a partial birth abortion ban. nobody is trying to get rid of that. i know democrats have taken a radical stance. in the state of ohio, we had a referendum in 2023. and people of ohio

and then when i tell you that amber thurman should be alive today, right. so yes, i would castigate. right now if tim walz was in front of me and i would say, you know what that was, the poorest answer you gave him the debate. in fact, that said that this morning, i said on kasie, shall i say, look, that was the poorest answer he gave. but if you want to talk about the gravity of the decisions people make when they're vice president of the united states. i would rather have someone who misspoke and caught himself up in rhetoric and said, i'm on knucklehead. then somebody who actually lies about an issue that would determine whether or not my wife, daughter died during childbirth because those things fundamentally mad. >> i mean, i think that that seems like a fair point. well, here's what i would say the guy about tenement square. here's all of that first of all it was a terrible answer. but that is not relevant to americans lives going forward. >> well, here's, here's the answer, but car when kamala harris says, listen, i no longer support fracking quick a

well, let me tell you about this idea that there's the 1st state, there's a young woman named amber thurman. she happened to be in georgia, a restricted state because of that, she had to travel a long distance to north carolina to try and get her care. amber sermon died in that journey back and forth. the fact, the matter is, how can we as a nation, say that your life and your rights as a basic, as the right to control your own body is determined on geography. there's a very real chance that amber thurman lived in minnesota. she wouldn't be alive today. that's why the restoration of roe vs wade. when you listen to vice president harris talk about this subject, can you hear me talk about it? you hear us talking exactly the same. donald trump is trying to figure out how to get the political right of this. i agree with a lot of what's under band said about what's happening is running, mate though, does not. and that's the problem. governor, your time is up, senator. let me ask you about that. he mentioned it was, i think, referring to a national band in the past, you have supported a federal b

-- amber nicole thurman.d son who died a preventable death because of georgia's abortion ban. now, jeanette and her family are courageously sharing amber's story to make sure we all remember she is more than a statistic and we remember amber was a daughter, a sister, a mother and that she was loved and that she should be alive today. [applause] and listen, we are all here because we know the reality is for every story we hear about about the suffering because of a trump abortion ban, there are so many stories we have never heard, an untold number of women and the people who love them who are silently suffering, women who are being made to feel as though they did something wrong, as though they are criminals, as though they are alone. and to those women i say, and i think i speak on behalf of all of us, we see you and we are here with you. [applause] texas, what is happening across this state and our country is a health care crisis and donald trump is the architect of it. he brags about overturning roe v. wade

there's a young woman named amber thurman. she happened to be in georgia a restrictive state, because of that she had to travel a long distance to north carolina to try and get her care. amber thurman died in that journey back and forth the fact of the matter is, how can we, as a nation say that your life and your as the right to control your own body is determined on geography there's a very real chance had amber thurman lived in minnesota, she would be alive today. that's why the restoration of roe versus wade, when you listen to vice president harris talk about this subject, can you hear me talk about it? you hear us talking exactly the same. donald trump is trying to figure out how to get the political right of this. i agree with a lot of what senator vance said about what's happening. his running mate, though, does not. and that's the problem. >> governor, your time is up. senator. let me ask you about that. he mentioned i think, referring to a national ban in the past, you have supported a federal ban on abortion after 1

telling her what who's impacted consistently in the vice president's message as the story of amber nicole thurman, her family blames georgia's abortion ban for her death and harris, his most recent ad on the impact of roe vs >> wade being overturned features the story of a black couple ondrea and caesar. their stories are framed in the context of abortion rights, but should improving black maternal health be the issue that's front and center? let's talk about this with dr. regina davis. monchy is the president and ceo of the national black women's reproductive justice group in our own voice. doctor, good to have you maternal health is more than just abortion care i want to just start here with the framework of how we're having the conversation is a maternal care holistically enough of the conversation. are we having the right conversations around these roundtables and these panels? >> no we're not because maternal care is only one piece of this puzzle. if we really want to address the staggeringly high black maternal mortality rates? we need to talk about things like access to contraception. we n

there's a young woman named amber thurman she happened to be in georgia a restrictive state. because of that she had to travel a long distance to north carolina to try to get her care. amber thurmon died in that journey back and forth. the fact of the matter is, how can we add a nation, say that your life and your rights as basic as the right to control your own body, is determined on gee geography. there's a real good chance has amber thurmon lived in minnesota she would be alive today. you hear e us talking exactly t same. donald trump is trying to figure out ldhow to get the political right of this. i agree with a lot of what senator vance said. his running mate does not. that's the problem. >>> my question is, why have you changed your position? >> norah, i never supported a national ban i did talk about setting a national standard. for instance, we have a partial abortion ban at the federal level. birth abortion ban in place at the federal level and i hope no one is trying to get rid of that, though democrats have taken a radical stance. one of the things that changed was

here, today is williams, the mother of amber nicole thurman. she is a vibrant, and we must speak her name. amber nicole thurman. i promised her mother that i would speak her name. a vibrant 28-year-old mother of a six-year-old son who died of a preventable death because of georgia abortion ban. now, her family are courageously sharing amber's story to make sure that we all remember her as more than just a statistic. so we remember amber was a daughter, a sister, a mother, and that she was loved. she should be live today. listen, we are here because we know the reality is that for every story that we hear about. about the suffering because of a trump abortion ban, there are so many stories we have never heard. an untold number of women and the people that love to them who are silently suffering. women who are being made to feel they did something wrong. so, they are criminals. so, they are alone. to those women i say and i think i speak on behalf of all of us, we see you and we are here with you. texas, what is happening across this state and our

ask amber thurman's family. she died.his is something we are seeing across the country in real life. this is going to i think, move more women. it is ultimately a life or death decision. >> thank you for joining me. i greatly appreciate your insight. >>> next, part 2 of my discussion with richard ranson and others about their vision for a new piece in the middle east. middle east. it's time. yes, the time has come for a fresh approach to dog food. everyday, more dog people are deciding it's time to quit the kibble and feed their dogs fresh food from the farmer's dog. made by vets and delivered right to your door precisely portioned for your dog's needs. it's an idea whose time has come. ♪♪ >>> welcome back. in july, richard branson went public with his support of a movement that aims to find a path to peace between israel and palestine called a land for all. >> land for all of the bold and audacious vision that would enable both israeli jewish and palestinian arabs to not simply coexist to flourish and prosper on a common

women have died because of trump abortion bans here today is shanette williams, the mother of amber, nicole thurman a vibrant, we must speak her name amber nicole thurman promised on mother with speak her name a vibrant 28-year-old mother of a six-year-old son, who died a preventable deaths because of georgia's abortion ban now, shanette and her family are courageously sharing ambra story to make sure we all remember her as more than a statistic that we remember amara was a daughter, a sister, a mother, and that she was loved and that she should be alive today because we know the reality is for every story we hear about about the suffering because of a trump abortion ban, there are so many stories we've never an people who loved them who are silently suffering. women who are being made to feel as though they did something wrong as though they are criminals as though they are alone and to those women, i say, and i think i speak on behalf of all of us. >> we see you and we are here with you across this state and our country is a health care crisis and donald trump is the architect of it. he brags abo

. >> i thought that when amber thurman died in georgia, that when there was a death it was going to changeversation the way it had changed the conversation in ireland, for example. spurred the ballot referendum to undo their abortion ban. but there is something about the brokenness of our new system and our politics. that even something so shocking and so outrageous -- and then donald trump laughing at her. saying that his event was going to get better ratings than her family's press conference. even that, it doesn't stick. so you really need to the harris campaign and its surrogates to be pounding away at this, day after day. >> we mentioned abortion measures on the ballot in 10 states, if you want to put that map up for a second. there's this long contested question about 2004 where it was engineered to have all these anti-marriage equality ballot initiatives in swing states. there is an open empirical question in the final analysis whether they helped or not. there's some evidence they did. do you suspect this has some effect, these ballot initiatives? >> i do. i do suspect that this ha

. >> i think about the family, i think about amber thurman's family and candy miller's family.eeking access to care and also think about the providers. the providers wanted to give that care. they were trained to give that care. they were desperate to give that care and there was some administrator, lawyer in the hospital somewhere who said we have to respect what these politicians have done. we know that at no point do americans believe politicians are more qualified than doctors or families to make decisions about their own bodies. >> this was even before it was overturned. that means when it was overturned there was information out there, this in -- had not come to light but this just shows that even before that happened we all knew what would happen if women could not get an abortion and texas did this anyway. >> i think what is so important to know is that in addition to knowing that this would happen, antiabortion activists and legislators knew this was going to happen. they plan for this. they knew what these would do. they are trying to play it right now as if it is sur

. >> we have a woman named amber thurman who died in georgia because the abortion bans in that state,tors were too afraid to treat her. i know that you spoke to her family. what was that conversation like? >> it was heartbreaking, alex. her mom and her two sisters. and so amber was a young mother of a six-year-old son, she was a medical assistant who was so excited because she was just getting on her feet to be independent. she got her own apartment in a community with a pool for her son. she got accepted to nursing school. she was as described by her family so excited and so ambitious. and she had plans. then she found out she was pregnant and she didn't want to go through with it. and she was living in georgia. she couldn't receive care because she was past six weeks. here's the thing that is so messed up about this, some of these people will say, but i do believe in exceptions. i believe there should be an exception in terms of the life of the mother. let's talk about this, this get back to practical application of policy. okay, so you believe there is an exception that the person

[crowd booing] he was laughing, he was laughing about amber thurman on fox the other day. so, yeah, you may know me from "the west wing," but apparently i'm working on a documentary right now called "the handmaid's tale." [applause] and make no mistake about it, misogyny and at the reptilianb brain stem of white christian nationalism. and that is what we are up against. it is not pro-life. when you don't give a shit about the number one cause of death of children in this country, which is guns. [applause] none of it is pro-life, it is a radical war against women, and donald trump is leading the charge. speaking of christian nationalism, if you had a chance to peruse project 2025, you know that the sequel, "my weekend with donnie," trump, that he is planning is going to be worse. in "weekend at donnie's 2," he wants to get rid of the horrible care act. [crowd booing] to rip away health coverage from tens of thousands of people and kick people under 26 off of their parents plan. that is not pro-life. [crowd booing] he wants to cut taxes for the riches of the rich and slap a

he kicked it off by laughing at the amber thurman story.ght up that the family had put out a prebottle and he laughs and says we are going to have higher ratings. which seems pretty cruel. you could use that to say i am so sorry that young woman, a mother of a six euro boy lost her life. and to say it's a hospital's fault actually no law should have allowed that to happen per that's one thing. >> greg: he should've said the democrats were lying about it. because that is true. >> jessica: you should not laugh and talk about ratings. i think we can all agree on that. >> greg: he blew it. the democrats had been lying about it, creating a completely false story. >> jessica: we are the worst. i would also just like to say that it's getting a little exhausting to hear about kamala's crisis with men constantly when donald trump's crisis with women is bigger, and women vote in higher numbers than men do. that's what i feel, jesse. >> jesse: okay, good. would you like to say anything nice about the town hall, judge? >> judge jeanine: i would like to

i think about amber thurman's family and candy miller's family in georgia.r that they went through, seeking desperate access to care. i also think about the providers because the providers wanted to give that care. they were trained to give that care. they were desperate to give that care and there was some administrator, some lawyer in the hospital somewhere who said we have to respect what these politicians have done, and we know that at no point do americans believe that politicians are more qualified than doctors or families to make decisions about their own bodies. >> this is even before roe was overturned, so that means when roe was overturned, there was information out there. this case had not come to light that obviously but this just shows that even before that happened, we all knew what would happen if women cannot get an abortion and texas did this bounty hunter lot anyway. >> right, texas had passed with abortion ban even the row had not been overturned yet and i think what is so important to know that in addition to pro- choicers knowing this wo

he said specifically if amber thurman was in minnesota, she would be alive.talking about a young mother who died in georgia after trying to get an abortion and running into traffic trying to go to another state. she ended up getting a medication abortion and died of complications because she had an infection and the doctors in georgia, her family says, delayed treatment to the fact they couldn't help her anymore. she left behind a young boy. that's the story that the harris campaign has continued to tell. her family was part of the oprah event where there was an event where groups were coming together to talk about the issues of the election. you will hear the harris campaign continue to talk specifically about women, about health complications, about what they are calling preventable abortion deaths. amber's name in particular, because i talked to her best friend a few days ago, they are continuing to hope her story, the people who loved her, her story makes people rethink their position on abortion. talking about fudging your position, it was interesting to

listen to the story and testimony of amber nicole thurman, who died a preventable death because in georgia, that state would not help her with her pregnancy complication. we are seeing that in states across the country with abortion bans, and if donald trump is elected, we will see a national abortion ban. we will also see restrictions on access to fertility treatments and surrogacy treatments. we were at a reproductive roundtable in atlanta the other day, and an ob/gyn was talking about women coming to see her and the fetus was dead inside, all sorts of horrible stories. and she said ob/gyn's, we cannot help these black women because we are afraid of being criminalized. the maternal mortality of black women is twice as high as other women. and so we have obligation to get to the polls and vote for kamala harris, as we know that she sees us, our bodies, and the right that we have to be able to make choices about our bodies between ourselves and our doctors, and that is not something that donald trump cares about at all. >> congresswoman sidney dove. inc. you for being with us. >>> after th

we are reading about amber thurman in georgia and sharing the story of finding his wife collapsed onn she was denied care at the hospital. we read stories about a 10-year- old girl from ohio having to cross the border into indiana, two of our neighboring states after she was raped and found herself pregnant. there is a very deep sense here in michigan that we worked so hard for a right can be stripped away for us once again for the second time in a short number of years. woman and frankly their families are fired up. for the vice president to go in texas just sends the message it is a national issue. women's rights are universal. it should not matter where in this country you live. >> that, to sort of put a finer point on that very key observation, mallory, the event has 30,000 attendees according to the latest report from the harris campaign. and, you know, it is quite obvious that when you put beyonce on the stage the beginning and end of this event do not stay what happens in texas does not stay in texas. there are 30,000 people who will see it live. this will be seen and clipped

and that's the problem, governor, i agree with the amber thurman should still be alive and there are a lot of people who should still be alive but i certainly wish that she was, i'm in agreement with them on this first of audit. >> know that you're 17-year-old witnesses shooting, and i'm sorry about that. and i appreciate christ, have mercy joining us right now is former white house director of message plan. >> planning, planning for president biden meghan hays and strategic communications expert for former republican strategist and pollster lee carter. guys, thanks for coming in. meghan, you called this a pre-trump era debate walz looked nervous especially off the top everyone saw that the way jen psaki described it, her take was she the way she put it as missing the magic and the organic spontaneity of tim walz. what did you see last night? >> yeah. >> i think he was absolutely nervous. i mean, i would also be very nervous on that stage as well. and then he got into his groove and i think he did very well. i think that the highlights for him or obviously the issues on reproductive