they just come in different washington, d.c., time for a couple more calls with russ vought. willy is in the buckeye state, democrat. good morning. >> caller: am i on yet? >> host: , yes, sir. you were on with russell vought, my suggestion is that it default. you guys keep playing around, putting people in hostage situations and you know the outcome. number one. you can't trust these guys in the republican situation because you have kushner who came away with a $2 billion. also we are not questioning the validity of some of these congresspeople. george santos was arrested, and somebody paid his bail, he says let it default. >> guest: no one wants that. the argument which is going to let that happen to have implications. we are here to say what is default in what is not? and it is not the position that i support to suggest we are going to not pay what has been a hallmark of our country and our economy to have treasuries that always paid in full. .. and i find it very social security check in june joe biden revenue line a lot. but holly balances where 30 you talking pa budget wa

larry: i take is also, again from russ vought's hearings and perhaps elsewhere. you are opposed to -- authority by president, let me ask you this. this is a free speech program. you can whack away. if the president thinks he can achieve the goals of congress with a cheaper spend out rate for example, i don't know if i -- just cheaper to do what everyone wants him to do, it might be true. but why shouldn't he impound the rift, if he could save money by getting same missions done, more cheaply, why not impound them, you know, as people have said, couple hundred years we had impound am aut ment authority. >> i have a couple questions, first, if you impound that money, where does that go, it is still all right spent in an account or not spend and at treasury, do you not draw it, that would make a difference to me, i'm not fully decided on it. in general, principle that congress controls power of purse and spends money and president executes that spending is a very important principle. we have not had a lot of it discussion about not spending it is a good debate to ha

let's talk about what russ vought told senator patty murray what jake was talking about. this seems like something. i mean, we might have thought that trying to overturn birthright citizenship would be first up for the supreme court. it seems like this might be first step for the supreme court. >> it could be, but. >> both share sort of a common dna, which is that not only is it unconstitutional, but here you've got a statute that's being ignored as well as constitutional text. you talked in the beginning about this is fundamental to our separation of powers. it's more than that. article one of the constitution gives congress the authority to appropriate money from the treasury. that is a congressional responsibility and belongs only to the congress. there's nowhere in article two, which is about the president that says, you know what? he has a role here, too. his role is solely with respect to vetoing acts of congress when he can and when it's not overridden. this inherent authority over impoundment, which is what russ vought seems to be advocating. there is no constitut

all we have to do is look at the testimony of somebody called russ vought. so who is russ vought? russ vought is president trump's nominee to head the office of management and budget. what's the office of management and budget? it's an office within the white house that directs the budget control over all the other federal agencies.vought. they're like the central command center for all other agencies, whether it's health and human services or the epa, whatever federal agency it is, they filter it through office of management and budget, the executive office of the president. and russ vought was nominated to head that position. in fact, tomorrow, in the senate budget subcommittee, we'll have a vote on russ vought. we had his hearing a little while ago. and at that hearing i asked him pointblank, as did senator murray, whether he and the trump administration would comply with the impoundment control act. and you have to look at the videotape. he refused to confirm that he would apply the law. he wouldn't say yes. in fact, what he said was that president trump has issues with the im

. >> host: we continue our conversation of the debt limit and several spending with russ vought conformhite house budget director during trump administration currently the president of the center for renewing democracy here first for folks are not familiar with the center what's the mission? when and why did you start it? >> guest: the center for renewing america is we try to keep

we had russ vought, important position.director, like democrats are not talking about policies, they go after personalities for the most part. you know, particularly with hegseth. but just like you will -- with pam bondi, will you have retribution, the poor people on j6 or, why don't we h hammer away on kash patel, last segment someone mike davis said that c kash patel got an award during the obama administration, indecide of talking about america's future, growth, proper law and order, neutral justice department, let's get energy prices down, democrats missing all these points, jim jordan that is incredible to me. >> remember, they are party of crazy policies, i remember sarah huckabee sanders said divide in america today is normal versus crazy. we had the bill yesterday, two democrats voted for it. they are now left now controlling party, they are party of crazy, we're party says let's get back to common sense, good energy policy, to help with economy keeping taxes low to grow the economy economy is curing border rule of

hearings is the homeland security committee overseeing on wednesday for kristi noem dhs secretary, russ voughtf the office of management and budget and all week cabinet confirmation hearings for pam bondi, doug burgum, pete hegseth, marco rubio, duffy, stephan again right, what are your expectations for the hearings and confirmation of trip under president trump's cabinet. >> in the past some minority party has not obstructed a handful of high ranking cabinet members to be approved in the first week and i'm hopeful the secretary of state as well as the department of homeland security will be approved on the day of the inauguration or the day after or that week as well as a few others the department of defense. i'm hoping we get to quickly and don't muddle around. have my figures process going to be happening. the to the i'm in charge of no resistance on the republican side in some we make it democrats support as well. maria: you conviction and confidence that your colleagues in the senate on the gop side will vote for president trump's cabinet. >> for the most part there is two or three in our

and yet, russ vought, who's coming in as the new budget director for the white house, said in testimonyhis confirmation hearing that he believes that the impoundment control act, which is what limits the president from doing that, is unconstitutional. russ vought, not a member of the supreme court, but hoping that he has some friends there, not a member of the supreme court, but someone with some power within trump world, especially if he's ready to pick those fights. >> and then you look over to capitol hill, the fact that the president elect was having breakfast over the weekend with senators, he had his top senior aides from the white or incoming white house, rather talking about the policy agenda. >> what was the big takeaway for you? and as we're talking about, is it going to be one big bill, two big bills? that wasn't even really my sense of the conversations this weekend. >> it was more like, what is the stuff we want to pack into those bills? >> right. so you saw stephen miller, the incoming deputy chief of staff for policy, briefed some of these republican leaders over the week

this week, there's the 1974 impoundment act, which russ vought, when asked by a democratic lawmaker whether he would seek to withhold congressionally appropriated funds, which the supreme court has ruled a president does not have the authority to do, he said that he didn't believe that the supreme court's decision was constitutional or accurate. and why is that important? well, you're talking about democrats, joni ernst, people who are committed to certain, right, that everybody ran for congress for a certain reason. and again, if you take them at their word, they want to ensure that some of their priorities are ultimately funded. and so that is where you are going to need donald trump. you'll need russ vote over the next two plus years in order to effectuate and make sure that that and other end of the line that that phone call is picked up by the president. >> it's so interesting because like, i actually again, i don't think half these people believe it, but they have subscribed and signed up for trumpism, which will be here long after donald trump is no longer the president. the

so, i am urging the senate budget committee chair lindsay graham to hold russ vought's nomination that was supposed to occur thursday. they should not advance that until the trump administration follows the law. the law is the law. the trump administration must immediately reverse course, follow the requirements of that law and make sure that the nation's spending laws are implemented as congress intended. >> as much as trump desires it, the president is not a king. as much as trump desires it, the law is not a suggestion. these are not questions of opinion. these are principles at the heart of our constitutional system. it is at the heart of our checks and balances and thus we have a constitutional crisis. just last week, russell vought came before the budget committee in a hearing and the things he spoke to laid out a three part plan. part one salvage the programs that families depend on and thrive to move into the middle class. part two, borrow trillions and run up the deficit. part three, give massive tax give aways to the wealthiest americans. what we saw last night was a huge imp

majority seems democrats come up with ideas to stall makes it longer now trying to postponement russ voughtt going? >> the democrats good at manufacturing baseless claims allegations consider miss gabbard for years questioned. >> patriotism, there is no end to what a democrats manufacturer as baseless claims procedural stalling for nominees we are moving along getting them confirmed told democrats we can do this ez or hard way the a hard way means through tonight weekends they want to do that through friday night pete hegseth what we did confirmed late friday night, we are actually ahead of where we would have been have democrats dug in heels made us stay in session through weekend overnight i think moving along with good pace going to get lee zeldin confirmed to epa today working on doug burgum before we leave for the weekend if we leave will confirm doug burgum secretary of interior chris wright secretary of engine do you go collins a secretary veterans affairs. >> the work begins in terms of executing the president's agenda, what do you favor putting everything in one big bill? how will

the white house budget office, which would be run by russ vought, who is a conservative nominee to run that office, assuming that he is confirmed, they'll put out a request for how much money they want. they will go through the senate and the house to figure out what they want. now, if vote and trump are demanding certain conditions, then that's where the republican leadership ultimately is going to be. and that would be a shift, considerable shift than we've seen in the past, which is bipartisan support behind a lot of money that's needed for places that desperately are hit hard, particularly red states. >> yeah, no strings attached that we certainly in recent history. and now it's a very democratic state. they're singing a different tune. all right. stand by. coming up next, the trump cabinet hearings begin, starting with pete hegseth. a month ago, his nomination was teetering, but now his confirmation looks like a very, very different situation. we'll give you reporting on that after the break. >> i lay on my back, frozen, thinking the darkest thoughts, and then everything changed,

i had a chance to question russ vought who will be the next director of management and budget and he confirmed what milton told us a long time, this is the consequence of excess federal spending. and when you think about the gasoline that the biden administration poured on the fire of inflation and what it did to decrease its standard of living for people in my state and across the country, it is a tragedy. and then the federal reserve, of course doing their job trying to figure out how do you dafrp down inflation -- damp down inflation using the tools they have. they've raised interest rates and then of course everything became more expensive from a home mortgage to buying a car, if you were a farmer or rancher, the cost of your inputs into your next crop are higher because of the cost of borrowing. so i couldn't be more excited about president trump's administration and this new direction for the country, what he called a new golden age of prosperity. so i was thrilled also to happen to meet with and get to know some of the people that i did not know in his cabinet. fortunately the

russ vought defended efforts to reshape the federal workforce.te budget committee. people need to show up in person to the office and dismissing some high-profile democrats serving in areas council positions. he has revoked the security clearances of people who publicly cast doubt on the legitimacy of hunter biden's laptop. president trump is saying he wants to make sure that people working within the federal government are working together and not necessarily against his administration. >> harris: mark, thank you. bring in "focus" kellyanne conway, former senior counselor to president trump and k.a. consulting president. good to see you. you heard mark's report there. tell me, this is more than just getting rid of those people who might work against the president. this is also trimming the government down. i would imagine. >> it is, harris. this is what america voted for and what president trump and his team are executing on day one and two. the facts. roughly about 4,000 of the 2.2 million federal government workers are political appointees. th

trump and omb director-to-be russ vought -- very dear friend of mine -- and the doge brothers, elon musko forth, they want to, if i read it right, sir, they want to disempower the regulatory state, really the socialists. they want to undermine it. and they want to use supreme court, you know all about this, constitutional expert, two decisions, right? chevron deference and ep if a v. west virginia. the supreme court basically has said, go ahead, because the regulators, the alphabet agencies have gotten way too big for their britches. so this is the all part of that follow through, it seems to me. >> it's all part of the follow through, and it's leading to someplace even better, even greater. we have to remember that as great as west virginia v. epa and the case undoing chevron deference are, we're still not finished until we end the barbaric and ultimately, i believe, the unconstitutional practice of law making by executive bureaucrat fiat. larry: right. >> i keep two stacks of documents in washington, one of them a few inches tall. the laws passed by congress last year with. the other t

we're talking with russ vought at the office of management and budget and everyone involved, our newet secretary it is about that, and then we'll have to replenish those funds, clearly. if we do that in the first three, four months of congress, we'll be able to get the resources necessary to secure the border and protect the american people. that's what they demand and deserve, and it is long overdo you recollects maria. maria: mr. speaker, tomorrow the congress is expected to certify the 204 the election, january 6th. can you tell us what to expect? >> well, i hope we have full attendance. we've got a big snowstorm coming to d.c., and we we encourage all of our colleagues, do not leave are town, stay here. as you know, the electoral count act requires this on january 6th at 1 p.m. whether we're in a blizzard or not -- the. [laughter] we are going to be in a that chamber making sure this is done. president trump had a man kate, a landslide are, you know? if so many electoral votes, and we get to count them all, and we not delay that. he deserves that. .7 million americans -- 77 milli

democrats are now targeting another nominee they want to postpone confirming budget director nominee russ voughtadministration's automatic freeze and loans. >> we'll continue to put heat on them so that they will not vote for vote plain and simple. they will bear the consequences on their backs for what they have done to their constituents. >> amid the confirmation fights u.s. capitol police arrested rian english of rhode island admitted to having two molotov cocktails and knives. charging documents say he wanted to kill defense secretary pete hegseth and house speaker mike johnson. >> bill: got him. good thing. thank you, chad pergram on the hill waiting for more from you. >> dana: let's bring in trey gowdy. and served in the house as well and former federal prosecutor. one of the things we're watching this week amongst all these confirmations is the f.b.i. director nominee kash patel. the headline in the "new york times" wrote patel's loyalty to trump raises doubts over f.b.i.'s independence. you talked to kash patel last night. how he is feeling about the confirmation hearing tomorrow? >> you

it's not mick anymore, now it's russ vought. he's not been confirmed yet.old cfpb into omb, but that's what they're talking about now, liz, and it's being discussed in the context of doge. i believe if vivek ramaswamy was still part of doge because his theory on doge was whack out agencies, okay. these guys, i think elon who's now running the show is much more about using ai and all this other stuff for efficiency sake. watch when bessent gets in. good chance he does and it'll be elimination of government. we'll see where we go. liz: charlie, good stuff. thank you very much. folks, we've got three minutes before the closing bell rings and we have green on the screen. earnings from starbucks on deck. the stock has gained since the new ceo came over, that would be september, there's big expectations and wait on that and count down closer here to say he's got sector picks to caffeinate your portfolio and rob hayward manages $500 billion at u.s. bank wealth management and buying anything yesterday or in wait and see mode after the deep seek drama? >> hey, liz.

. >> russ vought, and. >> i. >> certainly urge. >> them not. >> to ratify. >> his nomination. >> but ncerely doubt there's going to be four senate republicans who are. >> willing to stand up. >> to most of trump's nominees. russ vote. >> coming in. >> he is. >> the most powerful and dangerous. >> of the. >> trump nominees. >> and perhaps the. most anonymous. he is, after all, one of the principal authors of trump's project 2025. he has made clear that he has very detailed plans that he put down on paper to go down this empowerment route, as well as. >> do. >> other sort. >> of extreme. >> actions. >> to essentially. >> scale back the government back to what it was before the dawn of the 20th century. so i think that unfortunately, we're going to see more extraordinary times ahead. >> like we've experienced. >> in the last 24 hours. >> russ is also the only nominee. for omb director in history who, in the course of his senate confirmation questioning, has said that he does not believe that the presidential election of 2020 was a fair election. he says he believes that was a rigged elec

. >> let me get you on one more budget thing, because russ vought, who is trump's nominee to be the head of the office of management and budget, he's a big proponent of the i think it's the impoundment clause, basically saying, hey, congress, you've appropriated this money for these specific purposes, but we in the executive branch, we don't want to do it that way. we'll spend the money however we want. he's probably most likely going to get confirmed by the senate. how willing do you think congress will be to go to battle with the white house over its, as you just said, the legislative branch has the purse strings. under the constitution. >> we have the purse strings. under the constitution. people voted for us because they understand that we have that power and it goes directly to each of the districts that we represent. when we make decisions on appropriations, when we. appropriate funding, we consider the conditions on each and every one of our districts and the country. and that's the way the democracy works. that's what's enshrined in the constitution. so this new approach to gover

the incoming omb director, russ vought, he acknowledged in his confirmation hearing this week that the courts have already ruled that constitutionally, the executive branch must appropriate congressionally approved funds, but suggesting that they could seek to take this to the courts. and, of course, there's a very conservative supreme court that could potentially roll back that that act. and so there are some executive orders that could have major policy repercussions come as early as just a couple hours after he is sworn into office tomorrow. >> wow. >> nbc's vaughn hilliard. thank you. coming up, donald trump will be sworn in as president in less than 24 hours. we'll have more on the big day he has planned, including those 50 executive orders with my executive orders with my political panel. that's gum problems could be the start of a domino effect parodontax active gum repair breath freshener clinically proven to help reverse the 4 signs of early gum disease a toothpaste from parodontax, the gum experts. some people just know they could save hundreds on car insurance by checking al

you don't have an omb director russ vought.e are not going to confirm him because of this miscommunication. you should have the opposite reaction. put these people in place and erase a lot of this because he is so experienced, too. >> lawrence: job. >> brian: democrats going to meet today to find out a response. >> steve: it's an emergency. >> brian: jamie raskin said this to democrats we must fight the feeling of being disoriented because of all the executive orders, people are losing their minds but they don't know exactly why they are losing their minds. >> this is a guy who has been waiting four years to get things going. is he hitting on a bunch of different areas. you saw pete hegseth hit the ground running yesterday. >> lawrence: very fast. >> steve: just eight days in. buckle your seat belt. >> ainsley: carley is standing by with headlines. >> carley: that's what i say when that fight that feeling of being disoriented at 1:30 in the morning. north carolina police are searching for a dangerous escaped inmate. the manhunt

and i'll wrap up by saying this. >> let's just keep. >> in mind that russ. voughta. it was a document. >> about how you implement project 2025 and a step by step, day by day. >> basis with. >> orders. >> with a. >> plan, with a process for who they would. >> be. >> going to do. you put the freeze in place. >> you then execute this. you create. >> as much confusion. >> you get the sort of workers to start to resign and that's it. >> and then. >> you use that fog. >> to continue. >> to barrel. >> along and. >> implement and take over the real levers. >> of government so that ultimately you can get control. >> right now it's about getting control, and that's what they're doing. >> let me to your point, angelo, just just put up a list of the things from project 2025, which i should say, 57% of registered voters do not like. here's what they have done here. this may explain some of the polling i just read from that, that trump's approval has plunged almost ten points in one week. these are things that trump has done that is in project 2025, suspending refugee admissions

we saw last week that his nominee for budget director russ vought, said that he believes that it is unconstitutional. there's a law that says the president can't just hold back funding that congress has appropriated. will they will senators be willing to vote for russ vote? you know, i think there are a lot of sort of more challenging things upcoming for him. >> yeah. flood the zone doesn't quite doesn't quite explain what we've just what we've experienced this week. amy mcgrath, thank you very much for being here. everyone else is sticking around. but before we go to break next thursday, join me, jen psaki, symone sanders townsend and luke russert. we're moderating the dnc leadership forum ahead of the party's elections. just scan the qr code on your screen to register to attend virtually. and when we come back as trump tours destruction sites in north carolina and california, he suggests getting rid of fema, the agency that helps when these natural disasters strike. and later, trump may have granted clemency to the january to january 6th rioters. but a judge has a warning for some of them. stay ou

she said have those people talk to russ vought and make an appeal to him. now there's a couple of problems with that. first of all, russ vought doesn't get to decide in an appropriations law which parts of the law to follow and which parts not to follow. second of all, let's be really clear about this, russ vought is not a government employee right now. he's a nominee to lead the office of management and budget. and so we're supposed to have, i don't know, medicaid recipients, v.a. home loan recipients, nursing homes, education organizations, health care organizations, transportation contractors, appeal mercy to the king. will you please release these dollars? that's not how the american system works. this is illegal. there is real pain starting today because of this funding freeze. schools, child care facilities, fire departments, community health centers, domestic violence shelters, all of them will instantly lose their funding at 5:00 p.m. today. because somebody said we're fiscal conservatives. you want to enact a fiscally conservative appropriations bi

we saw last week that his nominee for budget director russ vought, said that he believes that it is unconstitutional. there's a law that says the president can't just hold back funding that congress has appropriated. will they will senators be willing to vote for russ vote? you know, i think there are a lot of sort of more challenging things upcoming for him. >> yeah. flood the zone doesn't quite doesn't quite explain what we've just what we've experienced this week. amy mcgrath, thank you very much for being here. everyone else is sticking around. but before we go to break next thursday, join me, jen psaki, symone sanders townsend and luke russert. we're moderating the dnc leadership forum ahead of the party's elections. just scan the qr code on your screen to register to attend virtually. and when we come back as trump tours destruction sites in north carolina and california, he suggests getting rid of fema, the agency that helps when these natural disasters strike. and later, trump may have granted clemency to the january to january 6th rioters. but a judge has a warning for some of them. stay ou

. >> omb director, russ vought, who has written and. >> talked about. >> the idea that the trump. >> of funds that have already been appropriated by congress. it is patently illegal. it's unconstitutional. >> finally, previous supreme. >> courts have. >> actually ruled in. >> congress's favor that. ultimately we have the power of the purse. so i think the law is. quite clear. but i also don't doubt that this trump administration is going to attempt to do these unhinged, extreme things. >> let's go back to north carolina, congressman, stand by with me, because some of the people there are beginning to speak. >> waist deep. >> and there. >> were sticks. >> and that kind of thing. >> i didn't. >> think i was. >> going to. >> make it, but. >> we did make. >> it. >> out, and we made it to the top of the road, and we were kind of stuck there for hours because we couldn't get out any of the ways, because it was flooded all the way around. it took us hours and we sat there and finally it receded enough to where we could actually get out. it was probably like close to midnight and it started

russ vought, who we talked about before, was. >> very talkative. >> the first two years. >> the biden. >> presidency less. >> so. >> the last two years. >> because he's. >> working on these orders and. >> working on how to write things. >> for the president to say, for these officials to say in their memos that could not. >> immediately be. >> be stopped in court, or that would take a while for the. opposition to puzzle out. this is one of them. >> this is a test. >> that you have not seen a president try. >> i'd say, 50. >> years, bill clinton with. >> a line item. veto that congress actually gave him. >> they're trying. >> to. >> do something new and wait to see how people react. so lots of people. >> inside the. >> government and outside the government are looking at the wording of this memo and saying, how does that affect me? what does. that mean? what grant am i working on that's going to be canceled? what benefit am i getting at home if i'm on snap that i'm. >> not going to get? >> if this if this. plays out, it is. it is fairly chaotic. but that's again part of the point. >> a

. >> by russ vought, felt it was necessary to protect taxpayer resources to issue clearer guidance establishing for these discretionary grants of funding that are not directed by congress, that they go. >> through a. >> political approval process. >> okay, jeff mason, help me. first of all, russell, vote has not even been confirmed yet. so how is he leading this? and why is the money that has been appropriated by congress, which david jolly just said is suddenly up for political approval process? i don't understand this. >> well, to your first question, russ, vote, along with a lot of the people who ended up coming into the administration, and he will, if he's confirmed, were part of the transition and part of the preparation process for exactly what we're seeing today, the multitude. according to caroline leavitt, more than 300 executive orders that the president has signed in his first nine days in office. we're not just prepared since he got into office, and that applies to this as well. so russ was was almost certainly part of that and was, of course, one of the designers of project 2025. a

remember, russ vought was. >> the mastermind. >> behind project. >> 2025 and using. >> the impoundmentwhole set of proposals. and he will also use it to implement other policies, including, as he said today, support. >> for ending. all abortion, rape. >> incest, life of the mother don't count. we're talking about an extreme person. and in the panoply of nominees, he's gotten so much less attention. >> than. >> almost any of the others. >> it's frightening. >> well, we're trying to give him some tonight. but you know what we're facing with so many of these nominees, we're going to squeeze in a quick commercial break right here. we'll be right break right here. we'll be right back with john harwood and ever feel like a spectator in your own life with chronic migraine? 15 or more headache days a month, each lasting 4 hours or more. botox® prevents headaches in adults with chronic migraine. in a survey, 91% of users wish they'd started sooner. so why wait? talk to your doctor. botox® effects may spread hours to weeks after injection, causing serious symptoms. alert your doctor right away a

that guy, russ vought, reportedly said his goal is to put civil servants in trauma. when he said that, that's who he's talking about. the people that, you know, do air traffic control. when trump and his administration declares a war on the so-called deep state. that is who they're going to war with. it is, quite literally the people who go to find the facts, who have expertise, who keep our airplanes in the air, who manage the inordinately complex bureaucracies that are the platform and foundation for american flourishing. it's not some enemy abroad. they're targeting the very same people who are going to work right now, as i speak to you right here in the potomac, sifting through the wreckage of this tragedy, trying in good faith with their expertise to actually figure out what happened and what you saw on capitol hill today, just down pennsylvania avenue, was a bunch of people nominated by trump to the very end of destroying the morale of those experts. kash patel and tulsi gabbard and rfk jr were specifically selected, in part for their loyalty to trump and their

so much weight into this, anderson, is because the author, one of the authors of project 2025 is russ voughttrump, has nominated him to lead the omb. and so with those words. so the details that we're getting from that project, 2025 note is to eliminate title one funds. those are critical to the kids of bell county. and so, you know, you've heard from the superintendent. you hear that principal. what their message is to trump is they back the conservative principles. what they do not want is to hurt the children who live in the heart of trump country. >> all right, anderson, thanks very much. still to come, harry enten joins us to help broaden my knowledge of football, which is minimal, and the nfl playoffs, which continue this weekend. we'll be right back. >> kobe, the making of a legend premieres january 25th on cnn. want a next level clean swish with the whoa of listerine? it kills 99.9% of bad breath germs for five times more cleaning power than brushing and flossing alone. get a next level clean with listerine. feel the. whoa! >> a heart attack. >> do they have life insurance? >> no, bu

so much weight into this, anderson, is because the author, one of the authors of project 2025 is russ vought. he, trump, has nominated him to lead the omb. and so with those words, the details that we're getting from that project 2025 note is to eliminate title one funds. those are critical to the kids of bell county. and so, you know, you've heard from the superintendent. you hear that principal, what their message is to trump is they back the conservative principles. what they do not want is to hurt the children who live in the heart of trump country. >> all right, anderson, thanks very much. still to come, harry enten joins us to help broaden my knowledge of football, which is minimal, and the nfl playoffs, which continue this weekend. we'll be right back. >> you're seeing skechers famous glide step footwear everywhere. and now that famous design is available in hands free sketcher slip ins get the comfort and style of glide step now with the convenience of slip ins, with no bending down or touching your shoes, try glide step, sketch or slip in one a next level clean swish with the whoa o

then would vote on them, one that you questioned that maybe has not gotten a lot of attention is russ vought. he is trump's pick to run the office of management and budget, a very powerful office. you questioned him in a pretty remarkable moment. i just want people who may have missed that to see that. >> what are the agencies that you don't think should exist? >> i didn't make an announcement on behalf of the incoming administration that there would be. so i'm not here to do that or to elaborate on any plans to that effect. >> you've said in the past, quote, it's very hard to square the fed's independence with the constitution. can you elaborate on that? so i can understand your thinking? >> i'm not here as a think tank president, sir. i'm here as a nominee to be omb director. the president hasn't spoken on that matter. i'm here on his behalf and for his agenda. >> do you believe that the president has the authority to set interest rates? >> sir, i'm not going to speak to the matter. >> and you had questioned him on a comment he made previously saying about career government employees. when

russ. >> vought. >> felt it was necessary. >> to. >> protect taxpayer resources to issue clearer guidance establishing for these discretionary. grants of funding that are not directed by congress, that they go through a political approval process at the agency. >> so so let's get into that, because a number of government funded organizations. so these are organizations like meals on wheels, right? their job, their mission. it's a private organization. they get grants from the federal government. they feed seniors. um, meals on wheels is currently in the dark. they don't know. does this order affect us? does this mean we're not going to have any more funding coming in? they feed like 2 million seniors. so i'm just wondering, first of all, why a pause, an investigation? sure, i get that auditing. sure. why a pause? and what about jake? >> why don't you spend money? you can't get it back. so in other words, you don't. it's if you don't put federal programs under review that are wasteful or harmful to taxpayers, and then people hit send, you wouldn't believe the payments we've had to pause ov

there's some controversial picks also going through hearings today, including russ vought, who's thehead of the white house budget office. he was picked to be that position, that one of the most powerful positions in government. he has very conservative. he has conservative views. a lot of democrats are concerned about some of the things that he wants to do in terms of the federal regulations, as well as cutting spending and the like. so how does he ultimately do in winning bipartisan support? that might be a little bit harder, but they don't need bipartisan support. dana, as you well know, simple majority is enough in the united states senate that is controlled 5347 by the gop right now should be enough to get most, if not all of these nominees confirmed, potentially as soon as many of them, as soon as next week. dana. >> yeah, really amazing. manu. thank you so much. now, i do want to go to paula reid. paula, the the fireworks today inside the pam bondi hearing, i would say you correct me if i'm wrong. i had to peel off after about a couple of hours because of the breaking news out

russ vought to be the office of management and budget director.hen it comes to thursday and what you can expect, eric scott turner to be the next secretary of housing and urban development. lee zeldin former new york republican to be epa administrator. scott bessent to be treasury secretary. doug burgum's hearing was supposed to be today but was pushed to thursday because of paperwork issues. also pending, doug collins he was supposed to be at his hearing today to become the head of the next veterans affairs, secretary of veterans affairs. you can keep track of that on the website. let's hear from the nikia in las vegas on the independent line. caller: hi there. i think that any president should be allowed to have any person that they want in their cabinet. i understand the confirmation process, but it seems to me there are always issues between more so the democrats than republicans. all of these people keep calling and talking about pete hegseth and his assault on women, but no one mentions biden or his assault on tara reid and how she had to ru