the other night for broadway and, like, everybody who was famous was there, you know, from andrew lloyd webberng next to, behind anna wintour and that environment for me as a kid was just... if i could have brought my autograph book, i would have. and i was in awe, always, and until, like, not too long ago, sort of at the lower and looked up to them as successful because of their talent. attributed to myself. says the woman who went to princeton. yeah, that's the crazy piece, right? and i walked around, not with any type of arrogance or anything like that, with a comfort and could walk up to people, introduce myself or say hi. knew most of them or had met them before. and i went back and i sat down and i said to the friend who was with me, i said, "i think i finally understand all of this." to not be intimidated and love their talent. i don't have to be... have never been jealous. i've been intimidated. scared that i'm not good enough. it's not even envy. and i can be good enough. i'm as good as whatever i used to hold up on a pedestal. and you know, that took decades. i don't feel like a frau

his favorite musical is evita, like by andrew lloyd webber. he loves the big the drama.ramatic space. he sees himself as an entertainer. he wants people to think he is the smartest, funniest person. and what better place to do that than through saying, like, i control the stage. it's something that i think does have darker connotations in terms of the sort of authoritarian control over what people see, what art can be. but like you were saying, that just inspires people to push back and make new, different art. in criticism to the ruling regime. and it's hard for the right to understand and really get satire because they are the people in power. so he it's just all built together into a space where trump, as someone who has been laughed at and hated, wants to control the cultural environment, to be in a place of position of honor, basically. >> chuck, you are usually a cultural icon. you're not wearing your hat, which i don't know why. but in okay, so far you've seen people like shonda rhimes in resign from from the board at the kennedy center. you have a folks from holl