well, who better to answer some of these questions than james fishback, the ceo of azoria, the originator of the doge dividend. james, thank you for being here. how did this all come to pass? >> well, good. >> morning michael. >> to tell you the truth. >> it came to me in. >> a dream. i woke up. >> i called our head of. >> research at azoria. we met at capitol grill. we fleshed this thing out in two hours. and i'm honored that the president has endorsed it. this is a real plan to send the savings the doge generates over the next couple of years, right back into the pockets of hard working americans all across this country. they deserve it. it was their money in the first place, and they need a break. >> okay, i'm all for ridding the government of waste, fraud and abuse. but at some level, isn't it all illusory? in other words, if there is a quote, unquote savings made by elon musk and doge, we're still $36 trillion in debt. so there's there's no pie to cut up. there's no slice of the pizza that i can hand back to you unless we continue to borrow those funds. >> well, our plan is really si

. >> bill: james fishback is with me now and outside advisor to doge.offered to take vivek's spot on doge and you are an outside advisor. a lot of people on the outside, you know what democrats are saying. they feel like you guys -- doge is taking pot shots at programs important to people. what would you -- how do you get to be part of doge? who says let's go get james fish balk and put him on the job? >> it is president trump's decision. i have to tell you that limestone mine in pennsylvania is maybe the perfect analogy for this rotten federal bureaucracy. think about it. it is burrowed deep, antiquated. hard to find and harder to hold accountable until now. it's why president trump and elon are doing this incredible work with doge. they have uncovered a $2 million pottery class in morocco, 7 million e.v. charging station network in vietnam. taxpayers sent $5 trillion to washington every year and they demand respect and transparency. doge is delivering exactly that. >> bill: so here is an article from the "washington post" 11 years ago on the mine spec

james fishback is a doge advisor and came up with this idea. it escalated quickly.talking to hannity yesterday. >> the goal is to try to get a trillion dollars out of the deficit. if the deficit is not put under control america will go bankrupt. massive waste, fraud and abuse that has been going on leading to a 2 trillion a year deficit is what the president was handed on january 20th. >> dana: that was tuesday. not last night. the sentiment continues. question based on even on what stephen miller was explaining to peter doocy yesterday the 55 billion in savings that doge has found so far, has that money then be transferred back to the treasury or still at the agencies waiting some assignment from either the president or actually from congress? >> it's somewhere in the ether. the more important question is where is this money going to go when we end up saving it when doge is all said and done? president trump is off to a smashing start. incredible first month. now it's time to look at the doge savings as the proposal calls out and send 20% of that back to hard worki

x statement the guy james fishback. the ceo of azore i can't, he is an outside adviser to doge.tched the idea doge sun sets in july of 2026. his proposal calls for taking 20% of the $2 trillion and stimulate the economy. keep in mind. there are so many different programs out there and, you know, the list goes on and on and on. it's going to get even longer. i would like to see congress be hour of a partner in this they're the ones who al who he cases money for dumb programs. 1978 a great time for that particular program but it's done let's stick a fork in it. >> lawrence: they have shown no humility through this process. it was their job we shouldn't need a zone. their job to have oversight of all of this money. instead these hearings have become so performative. they just yell back and forth rescripted questions. show me where the money is going. and i disagree with brian but from a different perspective. i think the american people need tangible results. the average person not our fault they mismanaged the money and the debt is out of control. give us our money back that you m