general wesley clark is the former nato allied supreme commander. great to see you. so president zelenskyy says there are no more security guarantees for europe. and suggest that europe put together its own army not to rely on the relationship of the past between the u.s. and european allies. is that even feasible, in your view? >> well, it's not feasible in the near term. and we've seen this. this has to be the fourth time in a little over 100 years where europe has struggled and needed american backing. and there's no reason to believe that this time is different. but what is different is president trump's vision of how he can handle global affairs. and i believe he thinks he can do this personally with putin, with xi jinping, with president erdogan and others. and he can sort of pole vault over the conventional wisdom that that has emerged. the conventional wisdom being, you've got to have a strong deterrent. you can't do this just with conversations between leaders understanding that russia is an imperialist nation. it has many tools. it's subverting democracy in

and you know, that was effective. >> uh, general wesley clark and beth sanner, thanks to both of you. in just a few minutes, i'm going to speak with lawyers for marc fogel, the american citizen who russia released as we work to learn more about the negotiations that led to the prisoner swap. but first, the issue affecting all americans these days, consumer prices, food, shelter, cars and more. it's all on the rise. can your elected leaders really ease the price hikes? we'll talk about that. >> lockerbie premieres sunday at 9:00 on cnn. >> when caroline has a cough, she takes. >> robitussin so she can have those one on ones again. >> hey, jim. >> can we. >> talk about casual fridays? oh, sure. >> what's up? get fast. powerful cough relief with robitussin and find your voice. >> ontario, canada. stable and secure when the world around us isn't, you can rely on us for energy to power your growing economy and for critical minerals crucial to new technologies. we're here right by your side. >> gum problems could. >> be. >> the start of a domino. >> effect. >> periodontics. >> active gum re

cnn military analyst, retired army general and former nato supreme allied commander wesley clark. also andrea kendall taylor, senior fellow at the center for new american security. general clark, how do you think these negotiations are going to impact america's nato allies with regards to their own security? does nato have enough troops that they can police this actually, if you take away american troops, the answer is no. >> they don't have enough troops. they do need to spend more on defense. i'm glad president trump said move it up to 5%. that's great. they should have done that a long time ago. and actually we need to spend more on defense. but part of that is because we have a huge stake in the stability of europe. and if we don't support ukraine, we're going to lose that stability. just what congressman moulton was saying. and so this negotiation is going to end up asking for europeans to put troops on the ground. the question is, does the american military provide the backbone? are we going to provide the support, the air support, the intelligence support, the logistics sup

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