>> that tom cole's districts? senator lankford: said. you can't cancel that lease. oops, we can't cans that will lease. they didn't. the same thing we have had folks that are from d.o.d. that they are saying, they are misunderstanding where things are going. we are doing a hiring freeze. so for term employees that is their contract renews, their saying we can't renew contracts. doge is saying that's not what we meant. other folks applying it are saying that's a rehire if we extend a term employee for a new year. >> you can see how this is confusing. senator lankford: they are going fast breaking things in the process and trying to fix the thing that they broke. but they are focus is forward. >> ok. senator lankford: here's what i would say. somebody tried to describe it the other day that the american people overwhelming across the country are still happy that we are taking on fraud and waste and abuse. at the same time this they have a family member or friend that they are suddenly don't know if their job will be there. we want to take care of them. the illustratio

tom cole is the head of the appropriations committee. he was very concerned with doge and elon musk recommending the closure of three buildings in his oklahoma district. he revealed over the weekend he had those reversed. we will see a lot more of that, especially if you have republican members. if you find out the social security office in your area or a federal building, we have seen a lot of cuts to the native american school system, they might be able to get reversed. there were some other questions there. host: about what it means for our allies? guest: the real thing and there is the end of usaid, many people including marco rubio were big supporters of. they spend a lot on the military. we'll probably have to spend a lot more, sort of posture. with africa especially, you see china and other nations rushing in, russia as well to gain influence. a lot of our critical minerals and resources, especially in africa is spending to combat the aids crisis and other health emergencies, the sudden withdrawal, the lead to global instability.

you've got republican congressman tom cole of oklahoma who posted yesterday that after working closelyn, i am thrilled to announce that common sense has prevailed. he went on to say that a national weather center office and indian health center office, a social security administration office all in his state will remain open thanks to his lobbying efforts of this administration. connecticut senator chris murphy replied by saying that this is why the threat of losing our democracy is at an emergency stage. he highlights trump shuts off spending. so each congressman, governor, senator, mayor has to come pledge loyalty to get the money turned back on. it's called petitioning the king, as senator chris murphy described it. is there something there to this observation where you've got like the elon musk out there making these cuts, saying these government agencies have to be shut down, these people have to be laid off. then you get the private exchanges with the kind of senator, mayor, or whatever representative coming to the administration or to trump begging for the faucet to be turned ba

you know, i talked to tom cole about this the other day and he said something like, you know, no one what they should be cutting in my district, federal buildings, programs, without talking to me first. i've been in these buildings, i know what they're used for. if they want to suggest things you're talking usaid which is one area. >> of many. >> of many that they're cutting, they're taking a scalpel, really, a hatchet to a lot and you guys are going to have to be-- or you are going to work this in the appropriations bill next year. this is going to be a tough thing. >> yeah, this cut and run cr is going to affect mine and mario's constituents because the 44% cuts to the army corps and the unclaimed cr, how is that going to make sure that we don't deal, have to deal with cuts to the everglades restoration bill we have been working on for 30 years, we've had hundreds of millions of dollars appropriated. you cut 44% out of the army corps of engineers, that's not back to basics, that's pain. that government waste just defined because we've spent joint state-federal partnerships, billion

your appropriations chair tom cole said no is going to tell me what the cut in my district, federal buildings, programs, without talking to me first. how do you react to something like that? >> i think what you understood is heroic. i've been meeting with him in his office and try to coordinate as closely as possible because of the end of the date we have to codify many of the savings. it's an extraordinary amount of fraud, waste, abuse. it's really pretty crazy some things i've uncovered but got excited for different reasons but he looks at as a data analyst and a scientist i look out as a constitutional law attorney and historian and lawmaker. you know elon, but we are going to do is more than saving a trillion dollars is about restoring the founder's vision for the country. if we can make the agencies work more efficiently and effectively will restore the free rescission whether they want? a small federal government and careful oversight by the duly elected representatives of the people but congress has not been held to do that job well for decades. did not there funding in peru. he's crac

order tom cole to walk away from them and then introduced a partisan spending bill that undermines theealth, safety and well-being of the american people. in critical ways i'll get to chop limes fl to protect social security, medicare medicaid which we know are on the chopping block. as recently confirmed yesterday by elon musk but we know they are the chopping block. and they want to cut up to if not beyond $880 billion for it medicaid connected to the budget. so the bill fails to protect social security, medicare and medicaid which we indicated versus the light in the sand but it goes beyond that dramatically cuts healthcare, nutritional assistance, children and familiesnu and veterans benefits including from veterans who are suffering from painful exposure to toxic substances, burn pits and agent orange. and so we are not just a no. we are a hard no across the democratic caucus. >> those conversations are ongoing. there already a publicly declared i will see where we land we get to the floor laid or on this afternoon to cook some ask him a question though get into the meat of this.

and at the 11th hour, president trump and mike johnson cut off the negotiations, ordered tom cole to walk away from them, and then introduced a partisan spending bill that undermines the health and safety and economic well-being of the american people, in critical ways, i will just give you two of the top lines. it feels to protect social security, medicare and medicaid which we know are on the chopping block as recently confirmed yesterday by elon musk. we know they are on the chopping block. and they want to cut up to if not be $880 billion from medicaid connected to their budget. so the bill fails to protect social security, medicare and medicaid, which we have indicated for us was a line in the sand. then it goes beyond it and dramatically cuts health care, nutritional assistance, for children and families, and veterans benefits. including from veterans who are suffering from painful exposure, toxic substances, burn pits, an agent orange. so, we are not just a no, we are a hard no across the democratic caucus. >> do you hold everybody? >> those conversations are ongoing but the v

case in point, republican congressman tom cole of oklahoma.orked closely with doge and the trump administration, and that because a common sense prevailed. a national weather center. social security administration office and an indian health services office will remain operational in oklahoma. and senator murphy responded to cole's post with a hard truth that, quote, donald trump shuts off spending so that each congressman, governor, senator, mayor has to come pledge loyalty to get the money turned back on. julian denver are back with me. julie, let m get your thoughts on this. so is that a fair description? petitioning the king is the error that we find ourselves in. i mean, when you see it that way, that clearly it is simply a test that donald trump is this good cop, bad cop regime. elon musk shuts things down, cancels things, deletes things, and then donald trump waits for the local politician to come kiss the ring, pledge loyalty, and then he grants them whatever they want. >> it's like that scene out of the godfather, right? the first sce

oklahoma congressman tom cole says it's better than a shutdown. that's going to be a lot worse than any particular item you might disagree with. democrats are expected to oppose the bill. it is a hurtful bill. congressman jeffries cited concerns over cuts to health care and assistance programs. it is not something we could ever support. and a few republicans are outright supporting. it got a lot of concerns about it. tennessee congressman tim burchett says he's concerned it includes too much spending concerned about the usaid funding. and i'm concerned about the uptick and the funding for the pentagon. kentucky congressman thomas massie posted on x. he's a no assuming everyone is present and all democrats vote against the bill republicans can afford to lose only one vote. now house speaker mike johnson has expressed confidence that this er will pass president. donald trump also supports the bill. >> he posted on truth social that republicans have to, quote, remain united in washington. back to you. thank you. madam. >> it's 6.22. and still ahead o

oklahoma congressman tom cole says it's better than a shutdown. that's going to be a lot worse than any particular item you might disagree with. democrats are expected to oppose the bill. it is a hurtful bill. congressman jeffries cited concerns over cuts to health care and assistance programs. it is not something we could ever support. and a few republicans are outright supporting. it got a lot of concerns about it. tennessee congressman tim burchett says he's concerned it includes too much spending concerned about the usaid funding. and i'm concerned about the uptick and the funding for the pentagon. kentucky congressman thomas massie posted on x. he's a no assuming everyone is present and all democrats vote against the bill republicans can afford to lose only one vote. house speaker mike johnson has expressed confidence that the cr will pass president donald trump also supports the bill he posted on truth social that republicans must, quote, remain united. >> in washington, i'm maddie beer-temple. >> thank you, maddy. still ahead on the kron 4

oklahoma congressman tom cole says it's better than a shutdown. that's going to be a lot worse than any particular item you might disagree with. democrats are expected to oppose the bill. it is a hurtful bill. congressman jeffries cited concerns over cuts to health care and assistance programs. it is not something we could ever support. and a few republicans are outright supporting. it got a lot of concerns about it. tennessee congressman tim burchett says he's concerned it includes too much spending concerned about the usaid funding. and i'm concerned about the uptick and funding for the pentagon. kentucky congressman thomas massie posted on x. he's a no assuming everyone is present and all democrats vote against the bill, republicans can afford to lose only one vote. house speaker mike johnson has expressed confidence that the cr will pass president donald trump also supports the bill he posted on truth social that republicans must, quote, remain united. >> in washington, i'm maddie beer-temple. >> it's 7.22. and still ahead on the kron, 4 morni

oklahoma congressman tom cole says it's better than a shutdown. that's going to be a lot worse than any particular item you might disagree with. democrats are expected to oppose the bill. it is a hurtful bill. congressman akeem jeffries cited concerns over cuts to health care and assistance programs. it is not something we could ever support. and a few republicans aren't outright supporting it got a lot of concerns about it. tennessee congressman tim burchett says he's concerned it includes too much spending concerned about the usaid funding. and i'm concerned about the uptick and the funding for the pentagon. kentucky congressman thomas massie posted on x. he's a no assuming everyone is present and all democrats vote against the bill republicans can afford to lose only one vote. now house speaker mike johnson has expressed confidence that this er will pass. >> president donald trump also supports the bill he posted on truth social that republicans must, quote, remain united in washington. back to you. all right. thank you for that update. >> stil

oklahoma congressman tom cole says it's better than a shutdown. that's going to be a lot worse than any particular item you might disagree with. democrats are expected to oppose the bill. it is a hurtful bill. congressman jeffries sited concerns over cuts to health care and assistance programs. it is not something we could ever support. and a few republicans aren't outright supporting it got a lot of concerns about it. tennessee congressman tim burchett says he's concerned it includes too much spending concerned about the usaid funding. and i'm concerned about the uptick and the funding for the pentagon. kentucky congressman thomas massie posted on x. he's a no assuming everyone is present and all democrats vote against the bill republicans can afford to lose only one vote. house speaker mike johnson has expressed confidence that the cr will pass president donald trump also supports the bill he posted on truth social that republicans must, quote, remain united. >> in washington, i'm maddie beer-temple. >> it's 10. 21 in on this day in history, we

. >> it's funny because you see tom cole, right, from oklahoma. chair of house appropriations. >> very. >> important. >> you know, committee saying. thank you, elon, for saving. these little. >> bits of government. >> right. >> this is congress's job. >> they have given up. >> their power. we are. >> watching it in real time. >> so i agree. >> this is the imperial presidency. >> in action. >> and it is. and, you know, again, we have our allies terrified, right? we have. >> canada embracing. canadian nationalism. like, who. >> even saw that as. >> an option? >> i mean, to put a finer point on it, mollie is right. canadian nationalism for canadians. they are they are removing california wines from store shelves. according to some nbc news and reporting, they are pushing buy canadian to counter higher costs. they are uncharacteristically brandishing unvarnished anger over what they see as a betrayal of a longtime friend. the canadians are saying they ain't coming to visit america. they're canceling trips. they are off and rightfully so. you know, loo

tom cole of oklahoma, who has said, work like we need a chance to look at these cuts, see if they make sense, and then we'll deal with them next year. so i think that's important to keep in mind. >> slow it down. jake sherman, christine romans, kelly o'donnell, david french, everybody. thank you very much for that whiplash whirlwind. >> buckle up. >> give me all of the cliches. all right. >> pope francis thanked supporters for their daily prayers in his first statement. >> since he was hospitalized. >> for a. >> pair of. respiratory crises. the audio. recording was. >> brief, just. >> two lines in spanish. he was expressing his. >> thanks from the bottom. >> of his heart. it was played at this evening's rosary prayers, and it was the first time the public had heard the pope's voice in three weeks. the vatican says pope francis remains in stable condition, with no new respiratory crises or fever. and he continues to recover from double pneumonia. still ahead, what teachers are. bracing for as. >> donald. >> trump reportedly reportedly moves ahead with his plan to shutter the department

here's congressman tom cole showing how he by going to musk, saved jobs in his district, in the national weather service and other federal offices in oklahoma. are you comfortable with republican elected officials basically going to beg the richest man in the world and unelected senate confirmed person to have to save american jobs? is that okay with you well, i brought i. >> talked to elon musk. >> quite a bit about. >> what he's doing, and he's doing what i did when i became governor of florida. you look at every program. so here's what he said. he is looking at every program he can. he's given information to agency heads, and they're making a decision how to go forward. but let me tell you, americans are fed up 600,000 for menstrual cycle or study menstrual cycles of transgender men, $300 million for a cement manufacturing gaza i mean, $800,000 for gardening in el salvador. and i just went through the campaign trail. people are fed up with wasteful government spending. and we we've had a 2% increase in population in five years and a 53% increase in spending. we will not get interest r

being felt in republican areas, republican districts like jen kiggans, congresswoman of virginia, tom colessman of oklahoma, these are places that have high propensities of federal workers as well. so this is not just a story that's just told in the corridors of washington, d.c, or in blue states across the country. it's really impact that's felt all over the country. i think democrats are going to underscore that. >> this week. >> and there are increasingly people who talk to us, brendan, who say, you know, i was never political. i'm a federal worker. and then suddenly changed. there was a worker from health resources and services administration who told nbc this what they've done is that they've radicalized me. what they've done is they've taken someone who would have willingly served under their administration to help all of the american people, and what they've done is they've made me think that they want to destroy the republic. they want to destroy democracy. so now i am activated. could these kinds of folks, you know, kind of come together, form a critical mass that pushes congress

and there is nothing sexier in politics than tom cole and the house appropriations committee. but this is a function of congress of how do you do this and how do you implement this? this also should be, i think, an opportunity for in washington for firms and think tanks and companies to say, how can we do this better? arnold ventures put put out here are ten ways that we can save billions and billions of dollars, and ten ways we can bring in more revenue. that's, i think, an opportunity for a lot of companies and organizations to highlight what their priorities are. >> you're making an argument for why? i guess what i'm asking is the president buckled, the president changed here. was it that he was hearing from people like you, from members of the house? was it looking at the wild swings in the stock market? >> i think you're hearing a lot from members of congress where there's just uncertainty. they hear things back in their district that they don't necessarily know about. and we hear from governors as well. you know, as trump announces these things, governors, republican gov

i was talking with tom cole, the appropriations chair, last night.we're going to get to work on the 12 appropriation bills and getting them out of committee, just like we did last year. hopefully get them all across the house floor this year. >> and that would be that would be the actual business and job of congress. and that would be getting back to something that is very rare these days. do you think there are enough republican votes to get this passed without democrats? >> i think there are. you know, there are some very astute republican members of congress who have legitimate questions and concerns because they've been here some time and they have seen the cr after cr after cr come about and leadership say, hey, this is going to happen again. mike johnson is doing the best he can to to turn this aircraft carrier around and get us back to regular order. it's not a ski boat. it's not going to turn on a dime. and so this is the first step to doing that. we've got to get another six months under our belt, get the reconciliation process done, get the

and at the 11th hour, president trump and mike johnson cut off the negotiations, ordered tom cole to walk away from them, and then introduced a partisan spending bill that undermines the health and safety and economic well-being of the american people, in critical ways, i will just give you two of the top lines. it feels to protect social security, medicare and medicaid which we know are on the chopping block as recently confirmed yesterday by elon musk. we know they are on the chopping block. and they want to cut up to if not be $880 billion from medicaid connected to their budget. so the bill fails to protect social security, medicare and medicaid, which we have indicated for us was a line in the sand. then it goes beyond it and dramatically cuts health care, nutritional assistance, for children and families, and veterans benefits. including from veterans who are suffering from painful exposure, toxic substances, burn pits, an agent orange. so, we are not just a no, we are a hard no across the democratic caucus. >> do you hold everybody? >> those conversations are ongoing but the v

know, you know, in previous appearances here with you, i've talked about other republicans like tom coleade a. >> call to. >> the trump white. >> house and over to doge to make sure that they pulled back on some of those cuts that were impacting that community. but not every american has a bat phone to power. not every american has an opportunity to call the most powerful people in the world, to go and get the programs and get the services they need brought back to them. and so i think what you're seeing is a growing fissure, not among republicans, but among republican constituents who don't like what they're being ts not what they signed up for. when many of these folks voted for donald trump, when they voted for folks like mike johnson, they did not vote for gutting critical services that they rely upon. they didn't vote on the other things that trump is focusing on, which i think is why you're seeing in some recent polling and some other recent opinion research that donald trump is really struggling with his ratings on the economy. and i think those numbers are only going to continue

tom cole. >> on the house. >> side and. >> patty murray in the senate. >> and. >> her republican counterparty having. >> conversations about how to agree. >> on a. >> funding bill that. >> could keep the government open. and protect programs. >> like social. >> security, medicare and. medicaid from the kinds of cuts that elon musk and others on the republican side have threatened. >> and they were. >> pretty close. >> so you. >> can't now. >> say, well, we're. >> just. >> going. >> to pass. >> our own republican spending bill, partizan spending bill. and democrats are going to have to vote for it. so there. >> is a solution, a. >> very short term continuing resolution that keeps funding levels the same. >> that allows. >> the government not. >> to. >> shut down and allows us to reach a bipartisan agreement. >> it does not sound like that is the path that congress is taking, at least not yet. we'll see ultimately what the senate ends up doing. but when you take all of this in tandem, the volatility in the markets over a potential shutdown, over tariffs, over the way that trump is sort of cond

one example are annie grayer did a piece on this recently talking about house appropriations chair tom cole said after working closely with the trump administration and doge, he was able to keep open offices in his district that provide key social security, health care and other services that had been at risk of shutting down. meanwhile democratic rep steven horsford of nevada told cnn that when doge moved to end a social security services location in his district, he wasn't notified and didn't have the information needed to help his constituents. so bottom line is, republicans are having success with their red districts and getting the jobs back. democrats? not so much. >> yeah, it looks like a bit of a modern spoils system in that republicans are essentially who are loyal to trump, who vote when they are requested to vote to fund the government through this cr, even though that same funding bill took their powers away to stop tariffs by the president, so took some of their legislative powers away, they appear republicans appear to be going along with what looked like potential violations

tom cole is the head of the appropriations committee.was very concerned with doge and elon musk recommending the closure of three buildings in his oklahoma district. he revealed over the weekend he had those reversed. we will see a lot more of that, especially if you have republican members. if you find out the social security office in your area or a federal building, we have seen a lot of cuts to the native american school system, they might be able to get reversed. there were some other questions there. host: about what it means for our allies? guest: the real thing and there is the end of usaid, many people including marco rubio were big supporters of. they spend a lot on the military. we'll probably have to spend a lot more, sort of posture. with africa especially, you see china and other nations rushing in, russia as well to gain influence. a lot of our critical minerals and resources, especially in africa is spending to combat the aids crisis and other health emergencies, the sudden withdrawal, the lead to global instability. host

they tried to close down a social security office in chairman tom cole's district in oklahoma. that's nuts. he's one of the most senior republicans in congress, a republican, chairman of the appropriations committee, and elon went after his constituents. now, chairman cole was able to stop it, but what about the rest of the country? god help you if your congress person doesn't run a powrlful committee because -- powerful committee because that means there's nothing to stop elon musk from coming after your social security. and republicans are really hoping, really, really hoping i don't bring up this last part. guess what they tucked into this rule, hoping that nobody would notice? they did this after everyone went home. they slipped in a little clause letting them escape from ever having to debate or vote on trump's tariffs. isn't that clever? trump's trade war will result in one of the largest, if not the largest tax increase on american families ever. and this rule gives him the ability to do it without a vote in congress. i get it. they're already hiding from their voters, r

tom: he recalls more scenes -- seeds his mother planted. the jazzy pop of nat king cole. >> sinatra, peggy lee. tom: but then came the beatles and scenes like this led young nick straight to rock 'n' roll. >> get famous on the tv, meet more girls. it didn't take me too long to realize that if i wanted to have any kind of long career, i had to learn how to write songs. tom: a composer he became, writing songs he still performs today. but as he gained confidence, he also learned humility as when he produced costello's classic debut album. >> i started the -- i said what you should do here is this, that and don't sing their. after about two days i was turned out of the studio. tom: in 1979, nick lowe established hit maker status on his own. a british documentary shows him looking very much a rockstar. but he says that involved a certain amount of role-play. >> i realized really soon that i wasn't the sort of person who could sustain that. tom: you didn't think rock superstardom. >> i'm not elton john or cher. i have always thought the most fun you can have is just before yo