welcome to forbes on fox and go in focus with teave forbes. and teave, and vict toria and rick. teave, get rid of the problem by getting rid of the agency in >> why not. every organization over time loses site of what they were created for and who ther to serve. in free markets you get caught up short. it is a government agency and break it up and put it out with competitive hearing. you will not do it with hearings and memos and commands from the top. >> rick, you always sigh these things in government agency and why you need to shrink the number of government agencies, right. >> be care. -- careful. blaming the entire agency for a few people. >> we have a long list. >> people in charge were fired and not only that, the woman who run the agency resigned. not good things to happen and should never happen in a organization. but you don't throw out the baby for -- with the bath water. >> victoria, there are dozens and hundreds of federal agencies. you think it is any in these eamingses. i went through those officers of hud and agriculture department and they all work this way, don

, and i've been honored to know him. >> reporter: when the shooting started, 24-year-old alex teaves threw his mom and girlfriend to the door and died taking the bullets. >> got sent me an angel not just that night, but for three and a half years. he sent me an angel. >> reporter: emotions continue to spill over at makeshift memorials outside the make shift memorial. >> i'm overwhelmed by the tragedy of all of it and senselessness. >> reporter: they draw strength from hugs and being taupe with hope from stories of heroes like alex and survivors still looking. >>> since colorado shooting gun control advocates from around the country have called for more restrictions on sales of assault weapons and large amounts of ammunition either in person or on the internet. however, in colorado gun sales have increased since the shooting with people seeking background checks up by 40%. >>> elsewhere, the increasingly combative tone on the campaign trail has taken a toll on president obama and mitt romney. this is all according to a new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll that saw boast candidates

we'll go to teave, and rick and victoria and morgan and elizabeth. stove is not repealingealth care law hurt the recovery? >> it will hurt subis it notly. it will hit the bad ps and no coincidence after the election . taxes are going for individuals and businesses. do they dump the people on medicare and you will see another thing happen, fewer full-time yobs and not catching up in obamacare. >> rick unger, it is not just businesss and folks of businesses making over $150,000.ine those making $50,000 or more it will cost them money . it is going to cost and maybe it is good in the long run but it costs. >> the arguments remind me what we heard in the 60s when fica taxes were doubled to pay for medicare . we survived. you would not imagine calls have had business owners and cancer survivors it is going to survive and now the law of the land. we'll talk about it in three years and not going to cost a yob. jobs are going to grow. >> is this a rick unger. are you willing to put money on the bt? >> i am absolutely willing to put my money on it >> mike, in

teave forbes is anything but hot and molten and evil. >> if you have a good company you have annual reviewsnd this is not the public school system when you have tenure and college . why states of dine doin have the right to work and you have a flexibility already . question is how good is management in exercising that flexibility and what doesn't write is the military and seven years after a promotion you are out. >> what about flexibility. you understand how capitalism needs to be flexible in order to get better. doesn't this limit flexibility? >> no, it does the opposite. this is what we embrace. we look at it from the employees point of view. we feel like it is in for life and with this, they are going to be forced to think if they are going to be moving on. if you move the employee that is human capitol to a higher valued work, they will do a better job. anything like this that is flexible, we have to embrace. >> i don't want to be a naysayer. what if it works in one place, the government will step in and say everybody has to do it now. >> yeah, it is a one-size fits all solution. >> i

we'll go with teave and rich and elizabeth and bill and rick and dennis. rich, as government jobs go down do private jobs increase? >> yes, there is a correlation and i will tell you why. people who run companies from large to small, they are really uncertain about the future. they are uncertain about the future because of political uncertainties regulatory uncertainties and tax uncertainties. when government cuts jobs, it sends a signal that maybe the government will not eat the whole economy. >> it is good for private jobs. >> i wish it were that easy . the truth is, nothing that reveals in correlation. look remember what the government jobs are all too often. talking about teachers and firefighters and policemen. and this does nothing to boost private employment and however, what you are seeing happen here is a narrative where people who don't want to give the administration credit for a booming economy coming, they will use things like this. if we told you, if you cut jobs. it is not yob cut in government but administration policies that are putting us

>> i like hearing teave saying private industry would be higher pay more than government.ually complains government pays too much. the answer to the question is can we find a more effective way to do this. the piece of the security line in jfk. who knew it was for cavuto's show. we have to do a better job. it doesn't work the way we are doing. >> how do you know that? >> emac, the private sector might pay more, but the fact is, the government costs more. it is not necessarily the pay scale that the government is, it is all of the bureaucratic express that makes it cost more. >> i hear what you are saying and whether it will make us safer and more efficient screening process versus the government paid burrcrat that are basically wanting to be unionized. it is working in montana and other parts of the country. and even though they privatize the screeners homeland security can reject that move to privatize. you will get government regulated anyway. and so why try it? >> victoria, what do you think? >> i have to agree with rick. i generally hate to do that. >> and it doesn't f

we'll go in focus with teave forbes . elizabeth and mike and rick. rich, first to you. how would it affect the jobs in the country? >> the first thing that happens it would kill the stock market. the gains since 2009 would go in reverse and companies saw the stock evaluations going down they're aggressive about trimming pay roll . >> rick, if you want less of something tax it more. that is the old adage and less of a boom in the stock market. >> i want to go at it a different way. we have the same argument under which president is better or worse. let's try it this way. what happens when taxes are higher on dividend. they don't want to receive higher dividend and companies take it and don't let it do nothing. but reinvest it in the business. let me finish. they do that so they can grow the business and increase the share value. when they grow the business, what happens? they have to hire more people. yeah, it hurts your pocket book i will agree to that and if you are looking to increase jobs. >> steve didn't a democrat reduce the capitol gains and what clinton did and p

we'll go in focus with teave forbes and victoria and ruck and rich and elizabeth mcdonald. steve, what do you think of the governor's idea? >> he is right on this. this is the but foon rule. it would hurt capitol creation and upward mobility. in britain they raised the income tax rate to 50 percent and lost revenue and economy is doing poorer than expected. >> bill, is this the buffoon. >> what is terrible about the 50 percent tax rent. today for you and tomorrow for me. 50-50 it works and worked in the reagan first term and 1984, it was 50 percent and hit 80,000. >> and -- >> the roeconomy roared. >> bill was wrong. it was 70 percent and he reduced to 50 and then 28. >> there is a reason why. >> there say lot of people here, rich. what about a 40 percent tax increase on the top rate which is what bill is suggesting. >> oh, my, god, bill. your iq is three times the advocated taxerate. in the book of leviticous. there is a suggestion of double tithe. 20 percent. and thousands of years of human history. when you raise more than 20 percent. people take evasive action. cutax pe

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