they are ben chavis, patrick burn and former union boss from los angeles, a.j. duffy. went to public school or government schools? how many god got a good educational at those schools? most of you. i would argue without real competition, you don't know what you might have had. you don't knows add is. you might have gotten a trebant and thought you got a good education just like the russians or east germans thought they had a good car. right? so i want to plant that idea in your head since most of you got a good education in government run schools. yes, sir. >> shouldn't we at least consider selling our public schools and making them private? with the high technology that we have now, shouldn't the cost of an education should be going down? >> not in america. we spend more money. i cost more to educate a child or a car. [ laughter ] $55,000 for incarcerate a person in oakland it's $18,000 a year. you only spend six and a half hours a day per hour it's cheaper to have someone in prison. >> john: who is next. >> will durant stated that liberty and equality is lifelong ene